Got whupped by frost trolls....

erliesc

Tried a level 17 quest...could not best the frost trolls. Far as I know it's a solo quest. I'm at level 24.

Suppose I need to make some flame weapons? I'd have to redo all my armour and weapons..... Serious mismatch......

Epona222

You don't need flame weapons to beat frost trolls, perhaps if you gave us some info about your class and build we could help you with some build and combat tips to deal with them (because they shouldn't be that difficult, if you're that over their level they should be a walk in the park).

Pepsi2853_ESO

the biggest problem you'll have in PvE situations is a way to heal yourself. PvE went from hard mode to extremely easy for me once i understood that there was a restoration staff skill line.

tinythinker

The range of your own attacks and those of mobs are farther than many new players realize. Trolls have three attacks: basic swipe, a wind-up with red cone warning on the ground for a combo, and a ground-pound telegraphed by a red circle. Just move out of the range of the two with red warning signals. For the ground-pound you can stand just outside of the red circle and hit the troll with any weapon (light/heavy attacks) or ability. For the wind-up combo just move behind the troll and attack. You can block the regular attacks if you want but it's often not needed. If you just stand toe-to-toe in the troll's face without really good heals, you will get in trouble.

daemonios

erliesc wrote: »

Tried a level 17 quest...could not best the frost trolls. Far as I know it's a solo quest. I'm at level 24.

Suppose I need to make some flame weapons? I'd have to redo all my armour and weapons..... Serious mismatch......

Trolls have high hp regen, so if you're too slow they might out-heal your damage. They also hit harder than other enemies at the same level. It's good to stay mobile when fighting them, avoiding all heavy attacks, AoE and channeled attacks, unless you have a tanky build and can deal with the damage.

Which quest are you on? Is it the frost trolls in Grahtwood? If so, they should be soloable, although as I mentioned they're harder than other enemies at the same level.

phaneub17_ESO

Attack them from behind if you can, they made it where the larger the enemy the slower their turn radius. Some monsters you can hug their butt stabbing them from behind very effectively. Watch for their frontal attack or area AoE, take advantage when they're channeling to go all out.

ProfessorKittyhawk

I used to loathe fighting trolls of any kind. Gargoyles too. But once you learn their attack patterns and figure out a good build and skills, they're pretty easy to take down. They do hit hard but as others have said, keep moving and avoid the red areas and you should be fine.

ArchMikem

Trolls along with Wisp Mothers are the only hostile mobs I have loathed through the whole game. Either they have a monstrous HP pool, or a very high magic/physical resistance or both I don't know, but they take a good deal of time to take down. The only method I've used to deal with them is to always stay mobile, dodge as many of it's attacks as possible, and just do the age old trusted strategy. Hit it till it dies.

When they do their heavy attacks is the best time to hit them since they're stuck in place for a few seconds. Other then that always try to play keep away and keep health potions handy.

SlayerTheDragon

Kite him in circles - orbiting around the troll. Its pretty easy that way. I learnt it on the werewolf quest way back, I think my character was in its low twenties and the troll at level 43.

erliesc

daemonios wrote: »

erliesc wrote: »

Tried a level 17 quest...could not best the frost trolls. Far as I know it's a solo quest. I'm at level 24.

Suppose I need to make some flame weapons? I'd have to redo all my armour and weapons..... Serious mismatch......

Trolls have high hp regen, so if you're too slow they might out-heal your damage. They also hit harder than other enemies at the same level. It's good to stay mobile when fighting them, avoiding all heavy attacks, AoE and channeled attacks, unless you have a tanky build and can deal with the damage.

Which quest are you on? Is it the frost trolls in Grahtwood? If so, they should be soloable, although as I mentioned they're harder than other enemies at the same level.

Yes it's the frost trolls in Grahtwood...but I think it's the last stage..maybe they are ice trolls? I'm a nightblade wood elf mostly using a bow (sword and board backup). Snuck past all the others...took out the first ice troll...but died trying. Second one...just too strong. Can't sneak past...just keeps coming and does regenerate as he comes. The NPC I'm with doesn't help much. Might have to come back later...like I will for the nest mother in Aridon. Not likely the sword would do it. Have good heavy armor. Might be more like level 19 rather than 17.

Thinking maybe a bow with a fire glyph...set my hair on fire and wear hot pants?

daemonios

erliesc wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

erliesc wrote: »

Tried a level 17 quest...could not best the frost trolls. Far as I know it's a solo quest. I'm at level 24.

Suppose I need to make some flame weapons? I'd have to redo all my armour and weapons..... Serious mismatch......

Trolls have high hp regen, so if you're too slow they might out-heal your damage. They also hit harder than other enemies at the same level. It's good to stay mobile when fighting them, avoiding all heavy attacks, AoE and channeled attacks, unless you have a tanky build and can deal with the damage.

Which quest are you on? Is it the frost trolls in Grahtwood? If so, they should be soloable, although as I mentioned they're harder than other enemies at the same level.

Yes it's the frost trolls in Grahtwood...but I think it's the last stage..maybe they are ice trolls? I'm a nightblade wood elf mostly using a bow (sword and board backup). Snuck past all the others...took out the first ice troll...but died trying. Second one...just too strong. Can't sneak past...just keeps coming and does regenerate as he comes. The NPC I'm with doesn't help much. Might have to come back later...like I will for the nest mother in Aridon. Not likely the sword would do it. Have good heavy armor. Might be more like level 19 rather than 17.

Thinking maybe a bow with a fire glyph...set my hair on fire and wear hot pants?

Heavy armour isn't good for damage, which you'll need if you're soloing quests, and sword and board probably had the lowest damage of all weapons, making it only good for tanking because of the boost to blocking and the weapon skill line taunt. Might be better to throw in at least a couple medium pieces to boost your bow damage and try a different off-weapon such as a 2-hander or dual wielding (you can combine swords, axes, daggers, mauls... Each give their own unique bonus). Try to kite those guys - run around them in circles, staying outside their range, while doing class and weapon attacks.

Epona222

erliesc wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

erliesc wrote: »

Tried a level 17 quest...could not best the frost trolls. Far as I know it's a solo quest. I'm at level 24.

Suppose I need to make some flame weapons? I'd have to redo all my armour and weapons..... Serious mismatch......

Trolls have high hp regen, so if you're too slow they might out-heal your damage. They also hit harder than other enemies at the same level. It's good to stay mobile when fighting them, avoiding all heavy attacks, AoE and channeled attacks, unless you have a tanky build and can deal with the damage.

Which quest are you on? Is it the frost trolls in Grahtwood? If so, they should be soloable, although as I mentioned they're harder than other enemies at the same level.

Yes it's the frost trolls in Grahtwood...but I think it's the last stage..maybe they are ice trolls? I'm a nightblade wood elf mostly using a bow (sword and board backup). Snuck past all the others...took out the first ice troll...but died trying. Second one...just too strong. Can't sneak past...just keeps coming and does regenerate as he comes. The NPC I'm with doesn't help much. Might have to come back later...like I will for the nest mother in Aridon. Not likely the sword would do it. Have good heavy armor. Might be more like level 19 rather than 17.

Thinking maybe a bow with a fire glyph...set my hair on fire and wear hot pants?

Hold on, which quest is this? If it is the Rajhiin's Mantle thing, then frost trolls are in the outside area, once you get into the caves the big enemies are gargoyles (you can sneak around some of them, but I think there are 2 that you have to fight at different narrow tunnels), and you should be able to freeze them for a couple of seconds using a special ability given to you by Nairume (get up close to them and press E).

EDIT to add: if you die to the 2nd one, rez on the spot and just run past it, you should be out of range before you become 'corporeal' again. If you're on PC I would be happy to group with you on either NA or EU server if you need a hand to get through it.

Cherryblossom

Don't toe to toe with a troll, block, kite. Then he's dead. Move to the next one.

Duiwel

Why do I get the feeling you are using under-leveled gear, your gear is not at max durability and a whole list of things I can mention but won't right now so as not to sound condescending...

OP just make sure your gear is level appropriate and you should steam roll it.

STEVIL

Annulment under light armor is a shield which DOES resist the trolls ground slam attack and has a good dur. This might, if you need to, allow you to not just duck out of melee rng when he cuts loose and continue to rack up damage while your shield does the work.

erliesc

Epona222 wrote: »

erliesc wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

erliesc wrote: »

Tried a level 17 quest...could not best the frost trolls. Far as I know it's a solo quest. I'm at level 24.

Suppose I need to make some flame weapons? I'd have to redo all my armour and weapons..... Serious mismatch......

Trolls have high hp regen, so if you're too slow they might out-heal your damage. They also hit harder than other enemies at the same level. It's good to stay mobile when fighting them, avoiding all heavy attacks, AoE and channeled attacks, unless you have a tanky build and can deal with the damage.

Which quest are you on? Is it the frost trolls in Grahtwood? If so, they should be soloable, although as I mentioned they're harder than other enemies at the same level.

Yes it's the frost trolls in Grahtwood...but I think it's the last stage..maybe they are ice trolls? I'm a nightblade wood elf mostly using a bow (sword and board backup). Snuck past all the others...took out the first ice troll...but died trying. Second one...just too strong. Can't sneak past...just keeps coming and does regenerate as he comes. The NPC I'm with doesn't help much. Might have to come back later...like I will for the nest mother in Aridon. Not likely the sword would do it. Have good heavy armor. Might be more like level 19 rather than 17.

Thinking maybe a bow with a fire glyph...set my hair on fire and wear hot pants?

Hold on, which quest is this? If it is the Rajhiin's Mantle thing, then frost trolls are in the outside area, once you get into the caves the big enemies are gargoyles (you can sneak around some of them, but I think there are 2 that you have to fight at different narrow tunnels), and you should be able to freeze them for a couple of seconds using a special ability given to you by Nairume (get up close to them and press E).

EDIT to add: if you die to the 2nd one, rez on the spot and just run past it, you should be out of range before you become 'corporeal' again. If you're on PC I would be happy to group with you on either NA or EU server if you need a hand to get through it.

That's the one. Will try using the thinga-ma-bob given to me. Also might just try going invisible (potion) and running past.

I'm able to make craft about the best armor...weapons...glyphs...potions that I can use at my level...but have spent skill points to do so...points that maybe should have been used to upgrade in other areas?

Any weapon used takes valuable time to load up to full power...including the bow. I'm not real great at pushing multiple keys during battle....so I try to keep it simple. The straight-on wear em down approach won't work here....

Callous2208

erliesc wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

erliesc wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

erliesc wrote: »

Tried a level 17 quest...could not best the frost trolls. Far as I know it's a solo quest. I'm at level 24.

Suppose I need to make some flame weapons? I'd have to redo all my armour and weapons..... Serious mismatch......

Trolls have high hp regen, so if you're too slow they might out-heal your damage. They also hit harder than other enemies at the same level. It's good to stay mobile when fighting them, avoiding all heavy attacks, AoE and channeled attacks, unless you have a tanky build and can deal with the damage.

Which quest are you on? Is it the frost trolls in Grahtwood? If so, they should be soloable, although as I mentioned they're harder than other enemies at the same level.

Yes it's the frost trolls in Grahtwood...but I think it's the last stage..maybe they are ice trolls? I'm a nightblade wood elf mostly using a bow (sword and board backup). Snuck past all the others...took out the first ice troll...but died trying. Second one...just too strong. Can't sneak past...just keeps coming and does regenerate as he comes. The NPC I'm with doesn't help much. Might have to come back later...like I will for the nest mother in Aridon. Not likely the sword would do it. Have good heavy armor. Might be more like level 19 rather than 17.

Thinking maybe a bow with a fire glyph...set my hair on fire and wear hot pants?

Hold on, which quest is this? If it is the Rajhiin's Mantle thing, then frost trolls are in the outside area, once you get into the caves the big enemies are gargoyles (you can sneak around some of them, but I think there are 2 that you have to fight at different narrow tunnels), and you should be able to freeze them for a couple of seconds using a special ability given to you by Nairume (get up close to them and press E).

EDIT to add: if you die to the 2nd one, rez on the spot and just run past it, you should be out of range before you become 'corporeal' again. If you're on PC I would be happy to group with you on either NA or EU server if you need a hand to get through it.

That's the one. Will try using the thinga-ma-bob given to me. Also might just try going invisible (potion) and running past.

I'm able to make craft about the best armor...weapons...glyphs...potions that I can use at my level...but have spent skill points to do so...points that maybe should have been used to upgrade in other areas?

Any weapon used takes valuable time to load up to full power...including the bow. I'm not real great at pushing multiple keys during battle....so I try to keep it simple. The straight-on wear em down approach won't work here....

Quick question. Are you using mostly skills, mostly regular light and heavy attacks, or a good combo of both. If the answer is mostly regular light and heavy attacks, you're gonna have a rough time as you continue through the game. Light and heavy attacks, for the most part, need to be weaved in every so often, as you are casting your different damage abilities. I would put the number of "normal" attacks to be used per enemy at around 1-2, especially on non-boss mobs while questing. Any more than that and you probably don't have the right dps skills to spam, or are not using them as frequently as you should. What platform and alliance do you play on? I wouldn't mind giving you a demonstration or helping you with gear/build advice.

erliesc

Just tried the Brackenleaf Briars quest....got to the final part and it wouldn't happen...but saw other players finalize it. Logged out and in...restarted the game from scratch...repaired files...same result....so I'll restart this quest later. Seems that I'm having similar things happen with 3 of the more complicated quests. I'll try restarting all of them.

As far as light vs heavy...I always use heavy with the bow from a crouch positon to start....then it's going to be light by necessity. The enemies don't wait for your bow to draw down to heavy...you go with what you've got. Also use some magic or special abilities with the bow....same with the sword.

I do need to spend some skill points to increase special abilities though.....got enough game gold to use and good weapons/armor.

Not really having many issues defeating enemies except for these higher level beasties....trolls...etc....can maybe handle something at 12,000 or under...on a good day. Think I might be having quest glitches as much as anything....last one there were two other players in the middle of it in the usual hurry...so that might be what went wrong.

Weapons/armor are made at the special forges...in fact I'm using 2 different ones. Appreciate the offer of help...but I'll just move ahead trying to learn new stuff...little late to change overall methods I think.

Callous2208

erliesc wrote: »

Just tried the Brackenleaf Briars quest....got to the final part and it wouldn't happen...but saw other players finalize it. Logged out and in...restarted the game from scratch...repaired files...same result....so I'll restart this quest later. Seems that I'm having similar things happen with 3 of the more complicated quests. I'll try restarting all of them.

As far as light vs heavy...I always use heavy with the bow from a crouch positon to start....then it's going to be light by necessity. The enemies don't wait for your bow to draw down to heavy...you go with what you've got. Also use some magic or special abilities with the bow....same with the sword.

I do need to spend some skill points to increase special abilities though.....got enough game gold to use and good weapons/armor.

Not really having many issues defeating enemies except for these higher level beasties....trolls...etc....can maybe handle something at 12,000 or under...on a good day. Think I might be having quest glitches as much as anything....last one there were two other players in the middle of it in the usual hurry...so that might be what went wrong.

Weapons/armor are made at the special forges...in fact I'm using 2 different ones. Appreciate the offer of help...but I'll just move ahead trying to learn new stuff...little late to change overall methods I think.

No problem friend. But just a heads up, it sounds like you may be relying on basic light attacks a bit too much. I don't know what experience you have prior to this with mmo's, so please don't take this as me being a jerk, but it seems like you are playing ESO similar to the way one would the single player ES titles. Unlike in the single player ES games or others in the same genre, you're going to be relying heavily on spamming skills instead of using basic mouse clicks/heavy light attacks. You can normal attack most enemies at or below your level to a degree, but it is just not a good strategy in the mmo environment. Of course you are under no obligation to change your playstyle to one you do not enjoy, but it will get even harder for you as you go along if you do not adapt to a "skill heavy" style. If you are using more than 2-3 regular attacks on an enemy, not counting your charged opener, it's gonna be rough the whole way through.

elvigy01

ArchMikem wrote: »

Trolls along with Wisp Mothers are the only hostile mobs I have loathed....

Harvesters for me. Hate those things. Anyway, I didn't see it mentioned (maybe it was and I missed it) but you can dodge roll straight through NPC mobs, so if they are standing in front of you, winding up a big attack, dodge roll right through them. It's a lot faster than trying to back away or strafe to the side. Once I found this "trick", I haven't had any problems.

Once you roll through them, you do have to turn and face them again but in general your character can turn a lot faster than the big mobs (mammoths, trolls, gargoyles, etc).

CaptainBeerDude

Just don't stand in stupid. And keep attacking constantly. In HA you can eat his standard attacks whilst orbiting the troll. But at 7 lvls over recommended, I can't see how you don't have enough DPS to put them down. Skill points shouldn't be an issue, I have 5 crafts and 4 when I was levelling. Trolls were more difficult, but never impossible.

Volkodav

Trolls are no cake walk.I have had problems with them too,even at a few higher levels than they are.Ranged and circling them works for me.

UrQuan

erliesc wrote: »

As far as light vs heavy...I always use heavy with the bow from a crouch positon to start....then it's going to be light by necessity. The enemies don't wait for your bow to draw down to heavy...you go with what you've got. Also use some magic or special abilities with the bow....same with the sword.

It sounds like you're mostly using basic light and heavy attacks. While it's a good idea to weave light and heavy attacks in between skills (partly to build ultimate and partly because if you time it right you can increase your damage output doing this), unless you have a specific reason to do so (like to get a set bonus to go off, or because you've run out of stamina/magicka) you should never be doing more than one basic light or heavy attack in a row.

The skills on your bar are where the vast majority of your damage potential comes from. You need to make sure you're taking proper advantage of them - especially against opponents such as trolls which have a self-heal. If your damage output is primarily coming from light and heavy attacks then odds are good that self-healing opponents will out-heal your damage.

smacx250

If you aren't using skills much, what you want to do is find at least one good instant damage skill for your class or weapon (using what you have most of - either stamina or magicka), and weave that in with your light bow attacks - as in <skill> <light attack> <skill> <light attack> etc. There are more advanced techniques, but it is much better than just <light attack> <light attack> <light attack> etc. This is because you can basically do one skill and one light attack in about the same amount of time that you can do only one of either of them - big damage output difference. It isn't too difficult - you have one hand pushing one skill button (though you also need that hand to move), and the other hand clicking the mouse button.

waterfairy

You know not to stand in stupid right? When they do their ape pound, avoid the red while wailing on them.

elvigy01 wrote: »

Harvesters for me.

I cringe every time I have to fight one with my 2Hander, especially when it's a boss as there's no way to avoid that damn spell that gives them their healing bubbles in close combat....I just try to put them down as fast as possible.

erliesc

smacx250 wrote: »

If you aren't using skills much, what you want to do is find at least one good instant damage skill for your class or weapon (using what you have most of - either stamina or magicka), and weave that in with your light bow attacks - as in <skill> <light attack> <skill> <light attack> etc. There are more advanced techniques, but it is much better than just <light attack> <light attack> <light attack> etc. This is because you can basically do one skill and one light attack in about the same amount of time that you can do only one of either of them - big damage output difference. It isn't too difficult - you have one hand pushing one skill button (though you also need that hand to move), and the other hand clicking the mouse button.

I understand the need to use skills instead of simple/light attacks over and over. It's a matter of doing enough damage before they finish you. I do have a knockback skill that I can use to keep most enemies back long enough to drop them...just doesn't work with the trolls or whatever.

Also...still not sure I shouldn't be able to use a special quest provided weapon...which I don't seem to be getting the opton to use...one in two of the quests I'm having issues with. Usually you get an obvious chance to push E to use one...not happening.

I do need to put some skill points towards leveling up my fighting options. Usually I go forward till something doesn't work so well...then its back to the drawing board.

Deadfinger6

Just walk away and come back when 10 levels higher.

Epona222

You won't have many skills unlocked yet at your level, but don't start by charging up a heavy attack while the enemy charges towards you - you won't have snipe unlocked yet (that will be a great skill for you at higher levels), but don't rely on ordinary weapon attacks alone, you'll get into trouble that way. Use light attacks between activating weapon/class skills. Heavy attacks can be used to good advantage in certain situations, but if the enemy is getting to you before you've loosed off your first shot, that's no good.