Getting Ticks from Foward Camps

Jordaen

This is another way for small and big groups to get a lot of AP for defending a forward camp of their alliance.

The range to get the tick would be the same range to get a tick from a resource.

KenaPKK

With some tweaks, I believe this could actually work really well.

Forward camps are prominent and fragile. Defending one with enemies in range for any extended period, especially with allies ressing in it and degrading its life, is quite a feat.

I don't think these ticks should occur in the camp is placed near a resource or keep, but other than that I'm all for it.

Bridge and gate ticks would be fun, but there are very few places where a camp could be placed near those and not be immediately visible to enemies who can sneak up and burn them or shoot them from afar with siege. Ticks from camps that are actually hidden would be a fun challenge to achieve, as you'd have to draw enemies far away from the traditional combat lanes.

Just for that reason, I'm for it. Let's give players mobile objectives that they can place around the map and have an incentive to fight over.

Oh, and that reminds me -- give AP rewards to people in combat over an enemy forward camp when it's destroyed too! Give enemies a reason to hunt down and attack your forward camp / fight around it, and they will come.

KenaPKK

hi im jordaen

bitaken

So the dueling guilds can collect more AP and prevent more people from getting emp?

Seriously?

Wollust

bitaken wrote: »

So the dueling guilds can collect more AP and prevent more people from getting emp?

Seriously?

If duelers are making more AP than a group doing actual group pvp, you might be doing something wrong.

TequilaFire

Dueling or AP trading? lol

KenaPKK

bitaken wrote: »

So the dueling guilds can collect more AP and prevent more people from getting emp?

Seriously?

When have dueling guilds ever prevented people from getting emp....by just dueling? Dueling gives very little AP compared to open world PvP, and duelists in general couldn't care less about leaderboard positions.

For example, we've secured the DC emps on Haderus these last couple of weeks by PvPing both solo roaming and group v group in open world more effectively than the rest of the faction. I've been involved with this game's dueling community for over a year now, and I can't remember a single time a dueling-only player maintained 1st place on a leaderboard ahead of an active open world guild which wanted emp.

Try again.

Wollust wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

So the dueling guilds can collect more AP and prevent more people from getting emp?

Seriously?

If duelers are making more AP than a group doing actual group pvp, you might be doing something wrong.

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frozywozy

I have a feeling this would convince even more people to farm AP openfield and not defend home keeps when they're being threaten. I don't think this is a good idea.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

If I burn the camp, does it count as an attack tick?

_Chaos

frozywozy wrote: »

I have a feeling this would convince even more people to farm AP openfield and not defend home keeps when they're being threaten. I don't think this is a good idea.

You don't like open field fights?
Dude why do you play eso? You don't like zerg fights(any keep fight this patch) you dont like open field fights what the *** keeps you around?


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bitaken

"Denial is the most predictable of all human responses."

So, when I spent one week on Haderus really pushing hard for emp and was sitting between 2-4 the entire week - but this ONE GUY was always 100K over me I was informed it was because he was part of a dueling guild and he was either being fed D ticks near resources - or he was dueling on a resource and winning the duels and gaining AP ticks.

Either way you look at it - the forward camps and the usage to obtain defensive ticks would lead to more foul behavior by the player base.

I honestly do not care one iota about how people want to game the system. I do not care that people want to do whatever they can to make the most AP they can. I have never been given a single AP for free and I hate getting to a fight late and earning a tick for not taking part in a battle. However, I realize I am among the few when it comes to this. The scruples of the majority of MMO players is beyond reprehension in most cases and if you want to argue this - refer to the quote I use in my first line of this post.

frozywozy

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I have a feeling this would convince even more people to farm AP openfield and not defend home keeps when they're being threaten. I don't think this is a good idea.

You don't like open field fights?
Dude why do you play eso? You don't like zerg fights(any keep fight this patch) you dont like open field fights what the *** keeps you around?

I never said that I don't like openfield fights. I said that it would convince even more people to farm AP openfield when our home keeps are threaten. I enjoy openfield fights as much as everybody, but when I own all my home keeps, scrolls with a good faction score rolling.

Also, I used to enjoy running in large groups. When they were not creating so much lag.

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_Chaos

frozywozy wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I have a feeling this would convince even more people to farm AP openfield and not defend home keeps when they're being threaten. I don't think this is a good idea.

You don't like open field fights?
Dude why do you play eso? You don't like zerg fights(any keep fight this patch) you dont like open field fights what the f$#k keeps you around?

I never said that I don't like openfield fights. I said that it would convince even more people to farm AP openfield when our home keeps are threaten. I enjoy openfield fights as much as everybody, but when I own all my home keeps, scrolls with a good faction score rolling.

How does one "farm open field"

zyk

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I have a feeling this would convince even more people to farm AP openfield and not defend home keeps when they're being threaten. I don't think this is a good idea.

You don't like open field fights?
Dude why do you play eso? You don't like zerg fights(any keep fight this patch) you dont like open field fights what the f$#k keeps you around?

I never said that I don't like openfield fights. I said that it would convince even more people to farm AP openfield when our home keeps are threaten. I enjoy openfield fights as much as everybody, but when I own all my home keeps, scrolls with a good faction score rolling.

How does one "farm open field"

I see some form of this every time I play. Blobs are often chased to the middle of nowhere. Like to ominous looking houses with 20ish red circles inside. Sound familiar?

When players describe the great open field fights they've been having, it's easy to imagine awesome GvG, but I think they're actually describing farming pugs and randoms.

_Chaos

Let's try to keep distinct differences between farming and skirmishing shall we?

frozywozy

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I have a feeling this would convince even more people to farm AP openfield and not defend home keeps when they're being threaten. I don't think this is a good idea.

You don't like open field fights?
Dude why do you play eso? You don't like zerg fights(any keep fight this patch) you dont like open field fights what the f$#k keeps you around?

I never said that I don't like openfield fights. I said that it would convince even more people to farm AP openfield when our home keeps are threaten. I enjoy openfield fights as much as everybody, but when I own all my home keeps, scrolls with a good faction score rolling.

How does one "farm open field"

For EP, it could be the red swords and camps we see usually between Roebeck and Nikel gate once in a while.

Jordaen

frozywozy wrote: »

I have a feeling this would convince even more people to farm AP openfield and not defend home keeps when they're being threaten. I don't think this is a good idea.

Yes it would convince more openfield fighting but I disagree that people would not defend their keeps as they give D ticks aswell. This is just another way to get mobile ap ticks for people who do not like keep defense.

Jordaen

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

If I burn the camp, does it count as an attack tick?

Would be cool to get an O-Tick for going after an enemy FC

Jules

hi im jordaen

Lexxypwns

frozywozy wrote: »

I have a feeling this would convince even more people to farm AP openfield and not defend home keeps when they're being threaten. I don't think this is a good idea.

how is people spreading out not a good idea in a game that's demonstrated an inability to have large amounts of people stacking one place?

Ghost-Shot

This sounds very exploitable.

Jordaen

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

This sounds very exploitable.

How so?

Ghost-Shot

Jordaen wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

This sounds very exploitable.

How so?

Set camp in field, have friends suicide in camp radius, collect tick. Its a cool concept for sure but you know if there is a way to abuse something it will be abused.

Jordaen

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Jordaen wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

This sounds very exploitable.

How so?

Set camp in field, have friends suicide in camp radius, collect tick.

What's stopping people from doing that at a resource

Ghost-Shot

Jordaen wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Jordaen wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

This sounds very exploitable.

How so?

Set camp in field, have friends suicide in camp radius, collect tick.

What's stopping people from doing that at a resource

Thats true, I just feel like a resource is more likely to get a response when it shows up on CyroHUD while a camp people would generally assume its just people dueling.

hammayolettuce

bitaken wrote: »

"Denial is the most predictable of all human responses."

So, when I spent one week on Haderus really pushing hard for emp and was sitting between 2-4 the entire week - but this ONE GUY was always 100K over me I was informed it was because he was part of a dueling guild and he was either being fed D ticks near resources - or he was dueling on a resource and winning the duels and gaining AP ticks.

Either way you look at it - the forward camps and the usage to obtain defensive ticks would lead to more foul behavior by the player base.

I honestly do not care one iota about how people want to game the system. I do not care that people want to do whatever they can to make the most AP they can. I have never been given a single AP for free and I hate getting to a fight late and earning a tick for not taking part in a battle. However, I realize I am among the few when it comes to this. The scruples of the majority of MMO players is beyond reprehension in most cases and if you want to argue this - refer to the quote I use in my first line of this post.

Sorry Bit but you were misinformed. The same few who are consistently top 10 for DC are small group or solo 9.9/10 times a day. They just make more AP than the larger groups thanks for the way AP is spread among the group now.

Gan Xing

Jordaen wrote: »

This is another way for small and big groups to get a lot of AP for defending a forward camp of their alliance.

The range to get the tick would be the same range to get a tick from a resource.

I think this would be problematic especially when it comes to defending a keep or resource. The enemy could set up a tent that has a range inside the keep, and so when they die, they get defense ticks as well as the offense tick that would go along with capturing the keep (if they capture it)

frozywozy

Lexxypwns wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I have a feeling this would convince even more people to farm AP openfield and not defend home keeps when they're being threaten. I don't think this is a good idea.

how is people spreading out not a good idea in a game that's demonstrated an inability to have large amounts of people stacking one place?

I don't need an incentive like a forward camp tick to go fight openfield. I'll go and have plenty of fun with or without it. This being said, I know that a ton of people don't care about campaign scores and we already have a hard time sometimes to relay on people defending keeps when it's time to because they are busy farming some place else. If we get d ticks around camps, it will only get worse so this is the reason why I'm against it.

KenaPKK

bitaken wrote: »

"Denial is the most predictable of all human responses."

So, when I spent one week on Haderus really pushing hard for emp and was sitting between 2-4 the entire week - but this ONE GUY was always 100K over me I was informed it was because he was part of a dueling guild and he was either being fed D ticks near resources - or he was dueling on a resource and winning the duels and gaining AP ticks.

Either way you look at it - the forward camps and the usage to obtain defensive ticks would lead to more foul behavior by the player base.

I honestly do not care one iota about how people want to game the system. I do not care that people want to do whatever they can to make the most AP they can. I have never been given a single AP for free and I hate getting to a fight late and earning a tick for not taking part in a battle. However, I realize I am among the few when it comes to this. The scruples of the majority of MMO players is beyond reprehension in most cases and if you want to argue this - refer to the quote I use in my first line of this post.

Are you talking about Kodi? He isn't being fed jack by anyone. He wouldn't do that, and I can 100% attest that he didn't "game the system." The guy was out baiting zergs to chase him into blue resources where he would slaughter them solo or duo. Or he'd bait them to a tree...or a rock...or a choke...or any other useful terrain where he can get an advantage. The guy's a beast. I don't know who you're getting this allegation from, but it's simply incorrect.

Same goes for Yoyu and Jordaen, who were the emps before Kodi, and same goes for myself, Shel, and Inigo, who are at the top of the boards this week.

Feel free to compete with us in an open world AP farm any day.

Jordaen

Gan Xing wrote: »

Jordaen wrote: »

This is another way for small and big groups to get a lot of AP for defending a forward camp of their alliance.

The range to get the tick would be the same range to get a tick from a resource.

I think this would be problematic especially when it comes to defending a keep or resource. The enemy could set up a tent that has a range inside the keep, and so when they die, they get defense ticks as well as the offense tick that would go along with capturing the keep (if they capture it)

The radius to get the tick is not as big as the rez radius. I mean that to get tick you would have to kill people around the FC and the radius would be around the size of a resource tick

bitaken

KenaPKK wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

"Denial is the most predictable of all human responses."

So, when I spent one week on Haderus really pushing hard for emp and was sitting between 2-4 the entire week - but this ONE GUY was always 100K over me I was informed it was because he was part of a dueling guild and he was either being fed D ticks near resources - or he was dueling on a resource and winning the duels and gaining AP ticks.

Either way you look at it - the forward camps and the usage to obtain defensive ticks would lead to more foul behavior by the player base.

I honestly do not care one iota about how people want to game the system. I do not care that people want to do whatever they can to make the most AP they can. I have never been given a single AP for free and I hate getting to a fight late and earning a tick for not taking part in a battle. However, I realize I am among the few when it comes to this. The scruples of the majority of MMO players is beyond reprehension in most cases and if you want to argue this - refer to the quote I use in my first line of this post.

Are you talking about Kodi? He isn't being fed jack by anyone. He wouldn't do that, and I can 100% attest that he didn't "game the system." The guy was out baiting zergs to chase him into blue resources where he would slaughter them solo or duo. Or he'd bait them to a tree...or a rock...or a choke...or any other useful terrain where he can get an advantage. The guy's a beast. I don't know who you're getting this allegation from, but it's simply incorrect.

Same goes for Yoyu and Jordaen, who were the emps before Kodi, and same goes for myself, Shel, and Inigo, who are at the top of the boards this week.

Feel free to compete with us in an open world AP farm any day.

I don't play the game to open field "AP FARM" If that's the sole reason you play the game I guess I feel bad for you.

I play in a 3-12 person group 98% of the time. For a brief period this past Sunday we made a crew and rolled Azura's with some friends from Khole. It was a blast - everyone had fun - we de-throned the AD emp - took back DC scrolls and left.

The game is about having fun - so have fun as you wish - and no I was not speaking of Kodi. The person I am speaking of already essentially admitted int his thread how he did it - when I would close to gap to less than 20K he would shoot up another 100K and would not be seen at any of the major offensive or defensive sieges. The fact that the same person wants to be able to set forward camps and get defensive ticks for them is not at all surprising.