Move Rally

Burning_Talons

Lets make Meteor and Dawnbreaker Alliance Rank 24

Wuuffyy

A: Fighters guild = Daedric
B: Two-handed will lose its allure if Rally is moved
C: I don't want a stamina build with BOTH insane heals and insane defenses (i.e. S&B/DW NB), that would be way too unbalanced. #InvulnerableMaxDPS-SuperTanks
(IMO)

CaptainBeerDude

No

What @Wolf_Watching said.

S+B is the turtle with high defence.

Dual Wield is mobility dps utilising speed to avoid damage - I could see a dodge buff or something like crit surge for their defensive move though.

Bows are ranged.

2H is the heavy dps. Rally is to keep you going when a basic heavy attack takes about a second to execute.

All of the weapon sets have their own unique defenses built in. It is up to you to make the most of these and find complinmentary skill sets to fill in any gaps you are left with.

Lucius_Aelius

Other (Explain)

I say other just because I'm ambivalent, I don't think it's an issue but then I like using Two Handed Swords, so that's easy for me to say. I certainly wouldn't mind it being switched, or at the least having more skills added in general, but I would need more of a specific suggestion for what you'd replace it with in the two-handed skill line. I certainly like Rally as it is and wouldn't want it uncoupled from the damage bonus like someone else suggested.

idk

No

1. The 2H heal is also a hot (though this is just splitting hairs.

2. It's all about choices and here the choice is if you want to run the 2H or not.

The game, and all of us, should not conform to whims like this. Yes, the 2H has some good skills and they should remain on the 2h tree.

This seems to be a case of give'em and inch and they take a mile. Me got vigor and it works great for builds like the OP desires. No need to change anything.

khele23eb17_ESO

Yes

theher0not wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Zyeriik wrote: »

I am the biggest 2h fan in tamriel and this would break my little heart. Lol.

But youd still be able to use it with your 2h build and maybe the 2h skill line would get something cool to replace it.

But if it was in dw I would be forced to use that sure it is good, but I don't like to play with it.

It wasnt suggested to be moved to DW. The suggestion was to move it to FG.

DannyLV702

No

Then also move healing ward to the mages guild so my sorcerer doesn't have to use a restro staff that I hate

Brrrofski

Yes

The Uninvited wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Zyeriik wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Zyeriik wrote: »

I am the biggest 2h fan in tamriel and this would break my little heart. Lol.

But youd still be able to use it with your 2h build and maybe the 2h skill line would get something cool to replace it.

True but I would lose my fave skill in my fave skill line ... I mean rally is the first thing I brag about when gushing about 2h lol. Silly reason but oh wells.

The Uninvited wrote: »

You play a Templar and need 2H for heal?

I was thinking the same thing. My stamplar has decent heals from restoring light line used as a magicka dump.

Why would you use magicka heals on a stam build? Rally/Vigor is definitely the most common way to go.

Why not? That way you would leave more stamina for attack/block/dodge/sprint. I know the heal won't be as high as it could be, but if it works it works.

It doesn't work though.

Bol heals me for like 2k in pvp. 3 of them and I'm out of magica.

I'll stick with rally and vigor thanks...

The brutality of rally needs to be accessible outside of 2h. I know flying blade does, but it shouldn't be weapon specific.

idk

No

Brrrofski wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Zyeriik wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Zyeriik wrote: »

I am the biggest 2h fan in tamriel and this would break my little heart. Lol.

But youd still be able to use it with your 2h build and maybe the 2h skill line would get something cool to replace it.

True but I would lose my fave skill in my fave skill line ... I mean rally is the first thing I brag about when gushing about 2h lol. Silly reason but oh wells.

The Uninvited wrote: »

You play a Templar and need 2H for heal?

I was thinking the same thing. My stamplar has decent heals from restoring light line used as a magicka dump.

Why would you use magicka heals on a stam build? Rally/Vigor is definitely the most common way to go.

Why not? That way you would leave more stamina for attack/block/dodge/sprint. I know the heal won't be as high as it could be, but if it works it works.

It doesn't work though.

Bol heals me for like 2k in pvp. 3 of them and I'm out of magica.

I'll stick with rally and vigor thanks...

The brutality of rally needs to be accessible outside of 2h. I know flying blade does, but it shouldn't be weapon specific.

The reality rally doesn't need to be accessible outside of 2H. The argument it does lacks substance and real logic. The same argument could be made for many skills in various lines and as such it makes moving skills around just so I can have access to skills regardless of my choices an absurd argument.

I want th sorc shields scaled to stamina on my stamblade. I think it's ridiculous I have to play a sorc to have access to these skills. This was just to put things into perspective.

Lenikus

No

Every stamina build winds up using a 2h anyway, either as a buffbar due to the sword's 5% bonus to skill damage, wich affect healz, or as a front bar, due to it's gap closer and heavy hitting opener.
It makes sense having a 'necessity' skill there.

The only builds that do NOT use 2h are : Annoying duel builds, Zerg approved builds, Mass AoE / CC builds whose buffs rely on pots.

Brrrofski

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Zyeriik wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Zyeriik wrote: »

I am the biggest 2h fan in tamriel and this would break my little heart. Lol.

But youd still be able to use it with your 2h build and maybe the 2h skill line would get something cool to replace it.

True but I would lose my fave skill in my fave skill line ... I mean rally is the first thing I brag about when gushing about 2h lol. Silly reason but oh wells.

The Uninvited wrote: »

You play a Templar and need 2H for heal?

I was thinking the same thing. My stamplar has decent heals from restoring light line used as a magicka dump.

Why would you use magicka heals on a stam build? Rally/Vigor is definitely the most common way to go.

Why not? That way you would leave more stamina for attack/block/dodge/sprint. I know the heal won't be as high as it could be, but if it works it works.

It doesn't work though.

Bol heals me for like 2k in pvp. 3 of them and I'm out of magica.

I'll stick with rally and vigor thanks...

The brutality of rally needs to be accessible outside of 2h. I know flying blade does, but it shouldn't be weapon specific.

The reality rally doesn't need to be accessible outside of 2H. The argument it does lacks substance and real logic. The same argument could be made for many skills in various lines and as such it makes moving skills around just so I can have access to skills regardless of my choices an absurd argument.

I want th sorc shields scaled to stamina on my stamblade. I think it's ridiculous I have to play a sorc to have access to these skills. This was just to put things into perspective.

It forces every stam build to go 2h though. Don't people get bored of running 2h on every class.

Brutality from blade is meh. In combat plus can be reflected.

You're arguing about class skills which is completely different.

Magica users can use entropy, but then are forced to use a resto for heals (except temp) where as stam builds can use vigor with whatever weapons. I get that some things are like that.

I'm just bored of using 2h.

Baconlad

Yes

I'm only irritated by stamplars not having major brutality as a BUFF, not a stupid damage skill like dw dagger skill...honestly the sword and shield is supposed to be the defensive option for stamina builds, why not take away bash skill in S+B Line or change the reflect a bit to provide a burst heal when activated instead of only when hit with a magick ability. Keep rally as is, the heal is not FANTASTIC, its not absolutely needed. Also the bow is the ONLY weapon without ANY skill buffs and heals. S+B has absorb magick, two handed has rally, dw has blood craze, then there's vigor, you shouldn't need the bow on both bars. As a stamplar, the beauty of two handed is the EXECUTE...not rally, no one needs the wimpy heal or the buff anyway, overated. Stamplars do fine with bow and one handed and shield. Bow is OP anyway with shield being your OH *** bar

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Other (Explain)

Its hard to discuss rally as just a heal. It is also an out of combat weapon power buff, which imo is more important. I run 2h/Bow most of the time in PvP when on my stamblade. If you gave me a way to buff Weapon Damage out of combat, I would drop 2H and go DW most likely regardless of the heal. I have no problem with a few more options for a stam heal, and the fighters guild line makes as much sense as anything.

Resipsa131

No

I voted no, 2H should operate and have a different flavor than DW. 2H is all about sustain and CC. DW provides more damage for class based skills and spin to win steel tornado (this should probably cost more stamina to run) . I get your point op but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Katahdin

No

No

Should stay where it is