Okay I have now learned the purpose of the Vicious Death set

newtinmpls

Clearly ZoS thought that gankers did not have enough power in IC.

And apparently PvE'ers were not miserable enough. I mean this is ... really harsh. I've seen few things in the game that support just plain mean playing the way this set does.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

newtinmpls wrote: »

Clearly ZoS thought that gankers did not have enough power in IC.

You mean Magicka Nightblade Gankers right....

using Proxy det+ soul tether + Vicious death set together is just way OP is it not..

if you haven't seen it, you will sooner or later..

Episode 9 : The Revenge of Elder Staves Online..

What? you didnt see that coming...

newtinmpls

One guy ... and I won't name or shame 'cause really it was skillfully done. Followed us to the center of IC, occasionally would do a 'drive-by' proxy/vicuos....

Then we got to the first gate in the center ... as the chest was spawning, this

ONE

guy took out .... Oh I think there were eight or nine of us. Seconds. There was literally no time to do more than well, die. Absolutely no chance. We had two templars... .we had a mage compulsively mage-lighting.... OP doesn't even begin to describe it.

This is interesting to look at once, but as an acceptable in-game mechanic, just supports a poor experience for a lot of people.

Waffennacht

Hrm but if u were alone it would have no effect...

technohic

newtinmpls wrote: »

One guy ... and I won't name or shame 'cause really it was skillfully done. Followed us to the center of IC, occasionally would do a 'drive-by' proxy/vicuos....

Then we got to the first gate in the center ... as the chest was spawning, this

ONE

guy took out .... Oh I think there were eight or nine of us. Seconds. There was literally no time to do more than well, die. Absolutely no chance. We had two templars... .we had a mage compulsively mage-lighting.... OP doesn't even begin to describe it.

This is interesting to look at once, but as an acceptable in-game mechanic, just supports a poor experience for a lot of people.

Sounds like I need to go look for a new Sypher video

aLi3nZ

I was in that group at center that died before getting the chest after finishing portal. Magika nb+soul tether+prox det+vicious death procs within prob like 1.5secs. Crazt

leepalmer95

Dont run around in a group of 8-9 in a place which barely has 15 people in at a time.

aLi3nZ

Lexxypwns

aLi3nZ wrote: »

1. this was meant to be 4 player content, not 8 or 9, you're putting yourself at risk by running so many, allowing prox det to scale so high
2. you can loot chests one or two at a time, not stacking will hard counter vicious death
3. you could just throw down caltrops over the area, hard countering cloak, allowing you time to see the NB and react

I'm not saying there aren't situations where VD is too strong (inner breech, flags), I'm just saying this is your fault for not being prepared

nordsavage

Purpose of vicious death is zerg busting just like prox det. You all want zerg busters until your zerg gets busted.

bowmanz607

Spread out. Stop stacking. Many players have taken to holding block when in situations that leave you vulnerable and in the open. Go into stealth. Heal when in situations where you have to remain stacked such as looting chests or repairing walls.

The counter to this combo is simple. Don't get caught with your pants down.

Asmael

I'll take AoE caps removal over VD anyday.

I'd like stamina buids to actually have a chance against bigger groups, and magicka builds not being forced to use that bandaid set.

"Game mechanic being problematic? NP, just make a set!"

What's next, siege damage too high? Prepare yourself for the set that allows you to reflect siege projectiles!

Samphaa

aLi3nZ wrote: »

Blown up by your friends lol

Sharee

People need to adopt a new mindset in PvP: every ally near you is a potential bomb waiting to explode. The less HP/less experienced he is, the more likely he is to blow up and kill you.

Keep this thought in the back of your head constantly, automatically recognize situations that put you at risk (like 9 people looting a chest at once) and vicious death will be a lot less dangerous to you.

One tip: a NB who wants to do what the death recaps above show has to cast proxy det 8 seconds before attacking, which makes a huge red circle appear on the ground that will stay there for 8 seconds. If you are alert(and you should be, considering you knew the NB was out there) you will have 8 seconds to spread out/ use any countermeasures like caltrops, detection potions, etc.

leepalmer95

Sharee wrote: »

People need to adopt a new mindset in PvP: every ally near you is a potential bomb waiting to explode. The less HP/less experienced he is, the more likely he is to blow up and kill you.

Keep this thought in the back of your head constantly, automatically recognize situations that put you at risk (like 9 people looting a chest at once) and vicious death will be a lot less dangerous to you.

One tip: a NB who wants to do what the death recaps above show has to cast proxy det 8 seconds before attacking, which makes a huge red circle appear on the ground that will stay there for 8 seconds. If you are alert(and you should be, considering you knew the NB was out there) you will have 8 seconds to spread out/ use any countermeasures like caltrops, detection potions, etc.

Basically it's no longer 'safe' to run around with 20k~ hp either, i feel that with the introduction of proxy etc... getting boosted if you want to survive, the ult + proxy combo's go at least 25k hp and have a nice bit of cp on. Also stacking 15%-20% into elemental defender is a must.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Lexxypwns wrote: »

3. you could just throw down caltrops over the area, hard countering cloak, allowing you time to see the NB and react

psst Lexxypwns,



This is also really good if your not a stamina user.

Sharee wrote: »

One tip: a NB who wants to do what the death recaps above show has to cast proxy det 8 seconds before attacking

I was in Cyrodiil the other day with a level 25, and 43 near Arrius mine. I gave a NB a chance to attack me since he threw Mark on me. Got impatient poped a detect potion and killed him just as he was setting up for Proxy det. Does that make me mean?

aLi3nZ

Lexxypwns wrote: »

aLi3nZ wrote: »

1. this was meant to be 4 player content, not 8 or 9, you're putting yourself at risk by running so many, allowing prox det to scale so high
2. you can loot chests one or two at a time, not stacking will hard counter vicious death
3. you could just throw down caltrops over the area, hard countering cloak, allowing you time to see the NB and react

I'm not saying there aren't situations where VD is too strong (inner breech, flags), I'm just saying this is your fault for not being prepared

so how often do you 4 man center of ic sewers / Molag bal and red flags?

For the record, I didn't care about dying. I thought it was pretty funny actually. This is a game for fun after all. I don't take too seriously.

I already have 5x vicious death 1x ring and neck and 3x light peices. I will be getting another ring tonight since I should be able to afford it. Then it might be others on the receiving end of this.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

people have been begging for things to split groups up. lots of QQ
of coarse when somthing that can split people up appears also lots of QQ

dwemer_cog11

Why do ZOS cant just implement a Cyro/IC buff, reducing AoE damage done by players by 50% is beyond me

EsoRecon

dwemer_cog11 wrote: »

Why do ZOS cant just implement a Cyro/IC buff, reducing AoE damage done by players by 50% is beyond me

Why my mindless zerg can't be even more powerful is beyond me.

- ESO Casuals

Jaronking

dwemer_cog11 wrote: »

Why do ZOS cant just implement a Cyro/IC buff, reducing AoE damage done by players by 50% is beyond me

Then PVEr would have nothing to worry about while grinding in a PVP zone also that will make it even harder for smaller forces to take out large groups.

Brrrofski

aLi3nZ wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

aLi3nZ wrote: »

1. this was meant to be 4 player content, not 8 or 9, you're putting yourself at risk by running so many, allowing prox det to scale so high
2. you can loot chests one or two at a time, not stacking will hard counter vicious death
3. you could just throw down caltrops over the area, hard countering cloak, allowing you time to see the NB and react

I'm not saying there aren't situations where VD is too strong (inner breech, flags), I'm just saying this is your fault for not being prepared

so how often do you 4 man center of ic sewers / Molag bal and red flags?

For the record, I didn't care about dying. I thought it was pretty funny actually. This is a game for fun after all. I don't take too seriously.

I already have 5x vicious death 1x ring and neck and 3x light peices. I will be getting another ring tonight since I should be able to afford it. Then it might be others on the receiving end of this.

The centre of IC is easilly doable with 4 people.

You don't need 9 people.

failkiwib16_ESO

Brrrofski wrote: »

The centre of IC is easilly doable with 4 people.

You don't need 9 people.

4 good players yes, 4 random that group up in sewers can rarely pull that off.

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Btw. if you don't like gankers and spend a lot of time in IC, then slot Radiant Magelight. It really really does help running with Radiant Magelight and detection, speed or unstoppable potions.

dwemer_cog11

Jaronking wrote: »

Then PVEr would have nothing to worry about while grinding in a PVP zone

You are saying PVEr is not afraid of PVPr's single target spells?

Jaronking wrote: »

also that will make it even harder for smaller forces to take out large groups.

Small group taking out a large one must be a remarkable feat, not the everyday life.

Moglijuana

Lol, the stackers complaining about stacking =P

newtinmpls

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Btw. if you don't like gankers and spend a lot of time in IC, then slot Radiant Magelight. It really really does help running with Radiant Magelight and detection, speed or unstoppable potions.

Not any more. Not the way it used to do.

I guess that would be part 2 of ganker's paradise

newtinmpls

Sharee wrote: »

People need to adopt a new mindset in PvP: every ally near you is a potential bomb waiting to explode.

If it was only PvP, I would not mind. But IC is both. Always was "a risk" and since I'm not a min-maxed macro wielding PvP machine - I know darn well I'll die. A LOT.

And yes, totally min-maxed PvP dieties could do the center with 4 people. More normal PvE "'splorin IC to find stuff" peeps don't always work that way.

ToRelax

So you basically have inexperienced players who don't even try to become good PvP players complaining they get killed because they haven't adapted to the new meta yet when a better player comes along.
Well I guess... it's time to adapt then? It seems AoE caps and weak AoEs have lead some players to believe AoE shouldn't hurt them too much even when stacking up. You knew the kind of enemy you were facing and still deliberately stacked up while letting your guard down.

bowmanz607

dwemer_cog11 wrote: »

Why do ZOS cant just implement a Cyro/IC buff, reducing AoE damage done by players by 50% is beyond me

Well first of all, zos already implemented 50% reduced damage. This applies to aoe. So aoe is already reduced by 50%. Also, reducing it any more would render all aoe, besides steel tornado when in execute range and ults, useless. Not to mention that then most ults will hit for nothing and won't seem powerful at all.

I don't understand the problem with this set. Be more situational aware. Stacking on a pin waiting for it to flip...hold block. Going through a breach....time seize and pound that hole with counters siege and heals or open another hole. Stop stacking and running in a tight ball. Come together for bugfs, then spread out some. Up your health and stop running with what used to be theinimum at 20k. Run with 25k. I personally run with 26k health now. Haven't died to a bomb burst yet. You have to repair a wall.....check the areas around it to make sure it's clear and then pound allies with heals who are repairing.

Also, there is a new set that reduces aoe damage taken by 25%. There is also the DW ability that reduces aoe damage. As a mag build you can run harness which will eat a bulk of the damage. Run with a couple extra prices of heavy armor. Run the mage light morph to get 50% reduced damage from stealth. Think about it. A set to reduce aoe damage by 25% plus DW which is another 20%, plus 50% reduced stealth damage. Damn well will be mitigating most of that damage.

Bottom line is there are plenty counters to this playstyle. Adapt to the changes.

Edziu

from my view and my friend...this is designed especjally to nb...nb has the best efficiency with magica detonation because he can wait this moment and attack you with deto explosion 1shotting you.
now also vicoius deth.
only nb have perfect ulti what stun aoe enemies and this nb is in the center like with deto....this is perfectly designet to magica nb...deto>cloak>buffs>cloak>lotus fan>soul tether with magica deto>vicoius deth with sap essense finishing>finising under 5% living ppeople who dying now.
only nb has the best efficiency with combination of these zergbuster skill and set in once with this 1 class skill.
nobody will get that good efficincy with zergbuster skill and set at once than nb with soul tether

maybe zenimax try do some like this skills/sets good working with other not magica builds and other classes to be more viable than only nb who attacking from hide and killing a toons of players and just running or still fighting because on this build he has also very good survivability ;d

stupid, stupid, stupid....this combo is well designed only for nb magica...this isnt funny when from nowhere some *** ap farmrer bombing you with group, getting ap and escape to nowhere again when on 1vs1 he will be ***, no any hard opponent...so annyoing when this 1 nb in 1vs10-20+ has very very good mobility, better survivability than full tank, aoe dps spam better than on single target...no words

RoamingRiverElk

The purpose of the Alchemist set is to support gankers. The purpose of the vicious death set is to make some pvpers walking gamemasters who annihilate zergs.

Also, consider how mean it has been to zerg for a year now when people would actually like to pvp in a way where skill matters...

Of the ones who still pvp in my guild, who haven't left for other games or moved completely on to PvE, quite a large percentage is actually mentioned in the "Best of class x" threads... Because that's what it takes these days to play in a small group, unless you strictly gank.