Vicious Death set proccing early

Rainingblood

ZOS_TFlemming wrote: »

To clarify, this is a visual bug with death recap where it still counts the proc as a hit for death recap purposes even though you're already dead. The set is not actually dealing damage to the person who procs it before they die, sorry for the confusion.

So does this bug also make it show up in my combat log? Because it is. Not just in the ESO Death Recap.

Xeven

TBH I question anything ZOS says anymore. Someone needs to do some testing.

AshTal

yeah I take damage from Vicous death in my combat log when I am the only one being attacked, how do I inflict this on myself, or it is a 90 meter range?

aLi3nZ

What's the range of vicious death? What kind of damage does it do if a single player explodes on average? From what I've seen it just does about 10k damage and around the same as proxy det.

Francescolg

This set should never have been introduced. I'd fire the people responsible for adding more (zerg-suited) AoE-spells/skills/armor procs/etc. in an already very much AE-affected PvP.
Also skills as magicka detonation are still too powerful and they are abused by organized groups, just to kill faster!

No more high (imba) AoE-Dmg skills in Eso, please!

vpadget9592b14_ESO

I have died 4 times to this set with it being the last hit in my combat log with no one around. I have 32k HP and the damage of the vicious death is what killed me all 4 times...5k 5k 3k 6k then boom 12k-16k each time..this is clearly broken....

Leandor

I am laughing myself silly about the notion of a forum post denial pacifiying the community.

Developer: "I did not have intellectual intercourse with this set."

leepalmer95

The set proc's when your at 0hp/1hp, it will appear in youyr combat log but your already dead at the point.

cdobratz

Alcast wrote: »

ZOS_TFlemming wrote: »

To clarify, this is a visual bug with death recap where it still counts the proc as a hit for death recap purposes even though you're already dead. The set is not actually dealing damage to the person who procs it before they die, sorry for the confusion.

You are clearly wrong

https://youtu.be/FLOEPMPyDpQ

Sweep the leg.

qrichou

ZOS_TFlemming wrote: »

To clarify, this is a visual bug with death recap where it still counts the proc as a hit for death recap purposes even though you're already dead. The set is not actually dealing damage to the person who procs it before they die, sorry for the confusion.

These arw not the droids your looking for ,

Fellenore_Ewalion

Duiwel wrote: »

Guess I should get myself this set

Donations for the jewellery are accepted

The ring goes around 75-80k in the last AD zone chat/PC/EU.

Fellenore_Ewalion

I'd buy one set for sure but I think the set will be normalized in the next patch, just like archmage set's unique was.

AddictionX

OP Invisible sure, but not invincible... Cloak doesn't mean your not there.

rfennell_ESO

They should change this set to "player explodes for X damage 2 seconds after death".

AshTal

I am putting my vicious death pieces up for sale as I am sure they will fix this set eventually even if they deny it being broken.

Maybe its a visual thing but that seems to disagree with my combat log and death recap. Maybe its some other person triggering it and respawning so quick I don't see their body or death but I am not convinced. I think this triggers early and does insane damage its often the only high damage on my death recap.

Also would like to add my death recap doesn't show AOE attacks after I am dead so why would it show Vicious death?

Vaoh

Got me killed today. Not happy, but unsurprised. This is normally a serious bug but with the way serious bugs are treated in this game you may as well accept it as part of the set bonus:

When you kill a player push a player below 30% health they violently explode for 14895 Flame Damage

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Yeah it for sure goes off before you are actually dead, it is a bit insulting for zenimax to imply its not when we see it happen 10 times a day.

ced30

i've been killed by this bug all day, vicious death appearing in 2nd or 3rd position of my death recap, with me being alone vs enemies.
Visual bug? yeah sure.

AddictionX

So its procing on 1v1... like why?

AmalgamousPrime

This is nonsense, running around after death for a few seconds due to lag isn't anything new. I could maybe see if the numbers shown in the video clearly added up to the remaining health lost, but they don't. Vicious death is just a common occurrence that now gives a face to blame for a pretty minor existing unrelated issue.

Stop trying to incite a witch hunt.

ced30

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

This is nonsense, running around after death for a few seconds due to lag isn't anything new. I could maybe see if the numbers shown in the video clearly added up to the remaining health lost, but they don't. Vicious death is just a common occurrence that now gives a face to blame for a pretty minor existing unrelated issue.

Stop trying to incite a witch hunt.

stop trying to defend your new "i win" button.

AmalgamousPrime

ced30 wrote: »

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

This is nonsense, running around after death for a few seconds due to lag isn't anything new. I could maybe see if the numbers shown in the video clearly added up to the remaining health lost, but they don't. Vicious death is just a common occurrence that now gives a face to blame for a pretty minor existing unrelated issue.

Stop trying to incite a witch hunt.

stop trying to defend your new "i win" button.

How is it an "I win" button? The 5-piece set bonus does nothing to the player you are attacking, and I've yet to see any actual proof showing otherwise. If it happens so often like everyone says I'm sure someone could post a more clear video of it happening than the one posted here.

Watch the combat log, the meteor impact and following DoT combined with puncturing sweeps, basic attacks (with enchant procc and burn DoT) followed by radiant oppression finisher was more than enough to kill without the supposed addition of the VD procc.

ced30

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

ced30 wrote: »

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

This is nonsense, running around after death for a few seconds due to lag isn't anything new. I could maybe see if the numbers shown in the video clearly added up to the remaining health lost, but they don't. Vicious death is just a common occurrence that now gives a face to blame for a pretty minor existing unrelated issue.

Stop trying to incite a witch hunt.

stop trying to defend your new "i win" button.

How is it an "I win" button? The 5-piece set bonus does nothing to the player you are attacking, and I've yet to see any actual proof showing otherwise. If it happens so often like everyone says I'm sure someone could post a more clear video of it happening than the one posted here.

Watch the combat log, the meteor impact and following DoT combined with puncturing sweeps, basic attacks (with enchant procc and burn DoT) followed by radiant oppression finisher was more than enough to kill without the supposed addition of the VD procc.

Well, there's no need to prove anything to YOU, the post was intended to let the devs know about the problem.
I'm sure they will conduct their own tests and don't need your approval, no offense tho.

How is it an i win button? well, a 15k proc happening anytime instead of doing what the tooltip says, do i need to explain more... ?

AmalgamousPrime

ced30 wrote: »

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

ced30 wrote: »

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

This is nonsense, running around after death for a few seconds due to lag isn't anything new. I could maybe see if the numbers shown in the video clearly added up to the remaining health lost, but they don't. Vicious death is just a common occurrence that now gives a face to blame for a pretty minor existing unrelated issue.

Stop trying to incite a witch hunt.

stop trying to defend your new "i win" button.

How is it an "I win" button? The 5-piece set bonus does nothing to the player you are attacking, and I've yet to see any actual proof showing otherwise. If it happens so often like everyone says I'm sure someone could post a more clear video of it happening than the one posted here.

Watch the combat log, the meteor impact and following DoT combined with puncturing sweeps, basic attacks (with enchant procc and burn DoT) followed by radiant oppression finisher was more than enough to kill without the supposed addition of the VD procc.

Well, there's no need to prove anything to YOU, the post was intended to let the devs know about the problem.
I'm sure they will conduct their own tests and don't need your approval, no offense tho.

How is it an i win button? well, a 15k proc happening anytime instead of doing what the tooltip says, do i need to explain more... ?

Except there is no problem, the set is working as intended except for the visual bug which causes it to show up in your death recap even though it does not actually hit you as you are already dead, this was stated by ZOS in this topic and many others.

If there is a problem with the set, post actual evidence of it not working properly so ZOS can investigate. Alcast's video just showcased the lag in Cyrodiil, not an actual problem with the set proccing that isn't already known and explained as such.

It's a visual bug that does not actually effect your gameplay, you just think it does.

ced30

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

ced30 wrote: »

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

ced30 wrote: »

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

This is nonsense, running around after death for a few seconds due to lag isn't anything new. I could maybe see if the numbers shown in the video clearly added up to the remaining health lost, but they don't. Vicious death is just a common occurrence that now gives a face to blame for a pretty minor existing unrelated issue.

Stop trying to incite a witch hunt.

stop trying to defend your new "i win" button.

How is it an "I win" button? The 5-piece set bonus does nothing to the player you are attacking, and I've yet to see any actual proof showing otherwise. If it happens so often like everyone says I'm sure someone could post a more clear video of it happening than the one posted here.

Watch the combat log, the meteor impact and following DoT combined with puncturing sweeps, basic attacks (with enchant procc and burn DoT) followed by radiant oppression finisher was more than enough to kill without the supposed addition of the VD procc.

Well, there's no need to prove anything to YOU, the post was intended to let the devs know about the problem.
I'm sure they will conduct their own tests and don't need your approval, no offense tho.

How is it an i win button? well, a 15k proc happening anytime instead of doing what the tooltip says, do i need to explain more... ?

Except there is no problem, the set is working as intended except for the visual bug which causes it to show up in your death recap even though it does not actually hit you as you are already dead, this was stated by ZOS in this topic and many others.

If there is a problem with the set, post actual evidence of it not working properly so ZOS can investigate. Alcast's video just showcased the lag in Cyrodiil, not an actual problem with the set proccing that isn't already known and explained as such.

It's a visual bug that does not actually effect your gameplay, you just think it does.

i'm sure you're a specialist, the devs will probably take your words on it.

AmalgamousPrime

I actually just went and added all of the damage and healing received shown from

ced30 wrote: »

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

ced30 wrote: »

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

ced30 wrote: »

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

This is nonsense, running around after death for a few seconds due to lag isn't anything new. I could maybe see if the numbers shown in the video clearly added up to the remaining health lost, but they don't. Vicious death is just a common occurrence that now gives a face to blame for a pretty minor existing unrelated issue.

Stop trying to incite a witch hunt.

stop trying to defend your new "i win" button.

How is it an "I win" button? The 5-piece set bonus does nothing to the player you are attacking, and I've yet to see any actual proof showing otherwise. If it happens so often like everyone says I'm sure someone could post a more clear video of it happening than the one posted here.

Watch the combat log, the meteor impact and following DoT combined with puncturing sweeps, basic attacks (with enchant procc and burn DoT) followed by radiant oppression finisher was more than enough to kill without the supposed addition of the VD procc.

Well, there's no need to prove anything to YOU, the post was intended to let the devs know about the problem.
I'm sure they will conduct their own tests and don't need your approval, no offense tho.

How is it an i win button? well, a 15k proc happening anytime instead of doing what the tooltip says, do i need to explain more... ?

Except there is no problem, the set is working as intended except for the visual bug which causes it to show up in your death recap even though it does not actually hit you as you are already dead, this was stated by ZOS in this topic and many others.

If there is a problem with the set, post actual evidence of it not working properly so ZOS can investigate. Alcast's video just showcased the lag in Cyrodiil, not an actual problem with the set proccing that isn't already known and explained as such.

It's a visual bug that does not actually effect your gameplay, you just think it does.

i'm sure you're a specialist, the devs will probably take your words on it.

@Alcast is a very experienced and informative player, so his posts hold weight on the forums. I do believe what he experienced was lag and a visual bug.

The video he linked has scrolling combat log opened, and if you get some paper and a pen to do the math yourself you will easily see what I'm telling you is correct in this instance which seems to also be the only "evidence" of this occurring on the forum.

Watch the video and see how much health he was at after being hit by crystal frag, a bit under 11k. Now add all healing received up until death, its about 6k. Now add all the damage received after the crystal frag excluding it and the vicious death proc. You'll see that the total health and damage recieved should be the same number. Vicious death did not kill him nor did it even hit him, the math proves it. This was a visual bug like ZOS_TFlemming said.

Leandor

So a glass cannon build, experienced today from both a sorc and a nb, can get this set to proc for 15k on me, with 70 points in each, elemental defender as well as hardy, 27 in... the crit damage reduction star and 5 pieces impenetrable, on a dk in full medium with spiky armor up. An emp can get it over 22k. Who thought it is a good idea to make a pvp set that has a proc that completely invalidates the battle spirit damage reduction?

AmalgamousPrime

Leandor wrote: »

So a glass cannon build, experienced today from both a sorc and a nb, can get this set to proc for 15k on me, with 70 points in each, elemental defender as well as hardy, 27 in... the crit damage reduction star and 5 pieces impenetrable, on a dk in full medium with spiky armor up. An emp can get it over 22k. Who thought it is a good idea to make a pvp set that has a proc that completely invalidates the battle spirit damage reduction?

You need more crit resist. Take points from elemental defender and hardy and put more in resistant, and get more impen pieces. I only have 360 CP and my magicka NB in 5-1-1 light armor doesn't even get hit that hard from CP capped players with vicious death and clever alchemist set.

Also, stop standing so close to other players.

Leandor

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

So a glass cannon build, experienced today from both a sorc and a nb, can get this set to proc for 15k on me, with 70 points in each, elemental defender as well as hardy, 27 in... the crit damage reduction star and 5 pieces impenetrable, on a dk in full medium with spiky armor up. An emp can get it over 22k. Who thought it is a good idea to make a pvp set that has a proc that completely invalidates the battle spirit damage reduction?

You need more crit resist. Take points from elemental defender and hardy and put more in resistant, and get more impen pieces. I only have 360 CP and my magicka NB in 5-1-1 light armor doesn't even get hit that hard from CP capped players with vicious death and clever alchemist set.

Also, stop standing so close to other players.

I don't know what platform you're on, but apparently things are different for you. My setup is quite okay, thank you, it's good enough as is for my playstyle and I doubt that changing points into resistant will do me much good against non-crit builds, which is what the better players start to run exactly for this reason.

Also, the point I am trying to make is that the set proc is scaled too strongly with player stats (it ignores battle spirit reduction).

As to your wonderfully enlightening proposal to not be near others, the gank style is not what every player wants. I do enjoy our 3 to 6 man team playstyle and trying to fight larger groups without concentrating damage is largely futile.

leepalmer95

Leandor wrote: »

AmalgamousPrime wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

So a glass cannon build, experienced today from both a sorc and a nb, can get this set to proc for 15k on me, with 70 points in each, elemental defender as well as hardy, 27 in... the crit damage reduction star and 5 pieces impenetrable, on a dk in full medium with spiky armor up. An emp can get it over 22k. Who thought it is a good idea to make a pvp set that has a proc that completely invalidates the battle spirit damage reduction?

You need more crit resist. Take points from elemental defender and hardy and put more in resistant, and get more impen pieces. I only have 360 CP and my magicka NB in 5-1-1 light armor doesn't even get hit that hard from CP capped players with vicious death and clever alchemist set.

Also, stop standing so close to other players.

I don't know what platform you're on, but apparently things are different for you. My setup is quite okay, thank you, it's good enough as is for my playstyle and I doubt that changing points into resistant will do me much good against non-crit builds, which is what the better players start to run exactly for this reason.

Also, the point I am trying to make is that the set proc is scaled too strongly with player stats (it ignores battle spirit reduction).

As to your wonderfully enlightening proposal to not be near others, the gank style is not what every player wants. I do enjoy our 3 to 6 man team playstyle and trying to fight larger groups without concentrating damage is largely futile.

Stick 48 in resistant and go full 7/7 impen if your a stam build.