Dark Brotherhood or a HUGE bug fix update?

dodgehopper_ESO

Danksta wrote: »

If the same department works on both of these then I'm surprised the game has made it this long. If that's not the case then there's no reason that we can't have both.

I agree with this guy.

Sleep

I don't care about Dark Brotherhood DLC. I don't want to see more bugs.

KanedaSyndrome

Bug/Lag Fixes

I'll even pledge 2000 Crowns to a major bug patch. Provided bugs are actually fixed. But such an update would have to contain core game engine fixes, not just patches.

ContraTempo

Dark Brotherhood

Here's the thing: As a programmer I know a huge influx of bug fixes is likely to cause a lot of unintended consequences. It's best if they trickle in a few at a time instead of attempting a bug fix flood.

That said, I would prioritize bug fixes over new content. In fact, my programming team just did exactly that faced with this same choice. Now our bug list is very small, easy to keep up with, and lets us concentrate more on getting out the enhancements our clients want.

EDIT: Bug fixes by their nature are hard to get right so the first attempt is not always successful, particularly for things that work fine in a test environment but blow up in production. Or worse, something that happens in production but can't be duplicated in testing. This is why sometime ZoS issues a fix but the thing is not really fixed. Sometimes the only option is to literally make a guess and try it.

Volkodav

Dark Brotherhood

My game is fine,other than I had to download it again due to reloading Windows 10 about an hour ago.
(DL for ESO is now at 6%.)
I wont be playing tonight.

The_Sadist

Bulljoker

Bug/Lag Fixes

removing veteran ranks = so much unbalance
also bugs as always

Artjuh90

Bug/Lag Fixes

ContraTempo wrote: »

Here's the thing: As a programmer I know a huge influx of bug fixes is likely to cause a lot of unintended consequences. It's best if they trickle in a few at a time instead of attempting a bug fix flood.

That said, I would prioritize bug fixes over new content. In fact, my programming team just did exactly that faced with this same choice. Now our bug list is very small, easy to keep up with, and lets us concentrate more on getting out the enhancements our clients want.

EDIT: Bug fixes by their nature are hard to get right so the first attempt is not always successful, particularly for things that work fine in a test environment but blow up in production. Or worse, something that happens in production but can't be duplicated in testing. This is why sometime ZoS issues a fix but the thing is not really fixed. Sometimes the only option is to literally make a guess and try it.

the point people who voted like me think this: we don't mind paying more on aditional DLC is bug fixes are adressed. We know new DLC has a chance of aditional bugs. sure, it happens in a large game. The point we try to make is that there are bugs that are still here since beta. That's just lazy AND annoying. so i rather see increase of DLC prices by 50% if they fix there servers and bugs then see more content which breaks the game more then the previous. except if you are sorc overload gets fixed in a day no worries

Tryxus

ZOS has a quota to reach you know: 4 DLCs per year (1 DLC per quarter)

But it would be nice ofc if they'd actually spend a little more time fixing stuff. And I mean REALLY fixing stuff instead of applying bandaids all the time

Reykice

Bug/Lag Fixes

NinjaApacHe wrote: »

What the hell is one thing opposed to the other? This DLC just came out give them some days to fix bugs... Omg| Damned spoiled brats ruin everything always.

Yea lol i know, spoiled people expecting a working product lol. The industry has no regulation so they can get away with steaming crap like this "dlc" for now...

WalkingLegacy

Reykice wrote: »

NinjaApacHe wrote: »

What the hell is one thing opposed to the other? This DLC just came out give them some days to fix bugs... Omg| Damned spoiled brats ruin everything always.

Yea lol i know, spoiled people expecting a working product lol. The industry has no regulation so they can get away with steaming crap like this "dlc" for now...

You mean fix the bugs tested on the PTS a month ago. Those ones right. Sure, we'll give them another quarter.

ContraTempo

Dark Brotherhood

Artjuh90 wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

Here's the thing: As a programmer I know a huge influx of bug fixes is likely to cause a lot of unintended consequences. It's best if they trickle in a few at a time instead of attempting a bug fix flood.

That said, I would prioritize bug fixes over new content. In fact, my programming team just did exactly that faced with this same choice. Now our bug list is very small, easy to keep up with, and lets us concentrate more on getting out the enhancements our clients want.

EDIT: Bug fixes by their nature are hard to get right so the first attempt is not always successful, particularly for things that work fine in a test environment but blow up in production. Or worse, something that happens in production but can't be duplicated in testing. This is why sometime ZoS issues a fix but the thing is not really fixed. Sometimes the only option is to literally make a guess and try it.

the point people who voted like me think this: we don't mind paying more on aditional DLC is bug fixes are adressed. We know new DLC has a chance of aditional bugs. sure, it happens in a large game. The point we try to make is that there are bugs that are still here since beta. That's just lazy AND annoying. so i rather see increase of DLC prices by 50% if they fix there servers and bugs then see more content which breaks the game more then the previous. except if you are sorc overload gets fixed in a day no worries

Sure, and you'll notice I DID say bug fixes should be prioritized. I just think a big flood of them is a bad idea. Instead, give us enough of them every week that all open bugs are scheduled to be fixed before the next DLC release.

I also have to acknowledge that many development team members are artists, writers, and others who's skills are not suited to tracking down elusive coding issues. To keep those people working you need to keep programmers on the dev team as well, so you can't just switch what the team is working on from dev to bugs. What you really want are people who's specialty is tracking down those issues and fixing them, and those people are valuable and much in demand.

mistermutiny89

Bug/Lag Fixes

I'm sick of the crap sandwiches veiled as updates every quarter. I'm crashing three to four times a day on console whilst playing Orsinium and you're about to deliver us another broken patch. If there was a choice to revert back to Imperial City update I probably would.

It's clear they can't do both, their history proves it.

DaveMoeDee

Dark Brotherhood

JasonSR0331 wrote: »

Everything about this game PVE focused, what have they added that is truly PVP??? And IC isn't truly PVP, there is no new PVP content...Elder Scrolls is known for the awesome PVE content, but if it wants to a MMO it needs to plz both sides. PVP lag sucks.. we will never get arenas so ppl asking for it should stop...classes will never be "balanced"... IMO they need to fix bugs mostly... but also need new content or ppl will leave cause they don't have anything new to do. ZoS also needs to pay attention to what ppl are saying(eh

It can be an MMO quite fine, even without any PvP whatsoever.

I'm not saying that they should jettison PvP. Just please stop trying to say what a game must have to be an MMO.

DaveMoeDee

Dark Brotherhood

Aeula wrote: »

I haven't experienced any bugs since my first run through Cadwell's gold almost two years back. Of course I want dark brotherhood.

Have you played since then?

DaveMoeDee

Dark Brotherhood

Artjuh90 wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

Here's the thing: As a programmer I know a huge influx of bug fixes is likely to cause a lot of unintended consequences. It's best if they trickle in a few at a time instead of attempting a bug fix flood.

That said, I would prioritize bug fixes over new content. In fact, my programming team just did exactly that faced with this same choice. Now our bug list is very small, easy to keep up with, and lets us concentrate more on getting out the enhancements our clients want.

EDIT: Bug fixes by their nature are hard to get right so the first attempt is not always successful, particularly for things that work fine in a test environment but blow up in production. Or worse, something that happens in production but can't be duplicated in testing. This is why sometime ZoS issues a fix but the thing is not really fixed. Sometimes the only option is to literally make a guess and try it.

the point people who voted like me think this: we don't mind paying more on aditional DLC is bug fixes are adressed. We know new DLC has a chance of aditional bugs. sure, it happens in a large game. The point we try to make is that there are bugs that are still here since beta. That's just lazy AND annoying. so i rather see increase of DLC prices by 50% if they fix there servers and bugs then see more content which breaks the game more then the previous. except if you are sorc overload gets fixed in a day no worries

Some fixes are easy. People are ecstatic when I roll out a bug fix in 15 minutes. Others are annoyed when they have to wait a weak for their request. Some stuff is easy with no side effects. Some stuff requires a lot of problem solving and even some luck.

Elijah_Crow

Bug/Lag Fixes

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

I'll even pledge 2000 Crowns to a major bug patch. Provided bugs are actually fixed. But such an update would have to contain core game engine fixes, not just patches.

I can get on board with that. ZOS, I'll spend 2K crowns if you fix all the bugs you introduced in the last patch along with Cyrodiil lag.

Elijah_Crow

Bug/Lag Fixes

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

I'm sick of the crap sandwiches veiled as updates every quarter. I'm crashing three to four times a day on console whilst playing Orsinium and you're about to deliver us another broken patch. If there was a choice to revert back to Imperial City update I probably would.

It's clear they can't do both, their history proves it.

I have to agree that they can't seem to deliver unbroken or unbugged content.

Lord_Wrath

Bug/Lag Fixes

This game needs a bath.

ninjaguyman

Bug/Lag Fixes

it would be great if they dedicated a whole update to bug fixing and maybe class balance... whether or not they would be successful if they tried... im not rly sure

Tipsy247

Dark Brotherhood

Since last ZoS said they are removing VR with Dark Brotherhood. If they were to do a giant bug fix update, it should be after they remove a system in the game because I have a gut feeling that will bring some complications with it.

CossackHD

Bug/Lag Fixes

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

TG bugs aren't that big of a deal. Some purple animals that supposedly were fixed yesterday. Invisible armor that doesn't really matter. Some annoying sounds. I'm not even sure how common those problems would be if I stuck with the 32 bit client. Problems with certain drops/rewards that are supposedly fixed now? Meh. I'll take the DLC.

They always have other fixes in the patches that include DLC.

999+ ping in Cyrodill, weapon swap locking, laggy zergs, essentially singlethreaded* potato performance? Meh, I'll throw my money at another PVE DLC, because 2 PVE DLCs isn't enough.

*one main thread 80%+ core load and few support threads with 30%- core load while GPU is chilling at 30%, clearly a bottleneck.

GrimMauKin

Bug/Lag Fixes

People have been asking for a major update to solely address bug from the early days; it's never happened. I suspect that Zenimax have lost control of the code and just wouldn't know how to fix most of the bugs (many of which have also been there from the early days).

b92303008rwb17_ESO

Bad poll. You forget the third option, one that ZOS is more likely to take.

• Ignore community feedback completely.

hrothbern

Dark Brotherhood

Mady wrote: »

There you go!
Maybe ZOS should delay DB ( + probably new bugs). We all want this game to be successful and maybe we can wait for content....

@Mady
Your poll is a nice gesture to help ZOS out with the bug issues... appreciate it

I think nevertheless that the DB DLC should move ahead as planned,
and...
that the highest boss of ZOS should pick up the poll as a signal to increase the "bug-fix" budget of ZOS.

SlayerTheDragon

Bug/Lag Fixes

I would have chosen "Both" if it were an option.

Deceptive_Yoshi

Bug/Lag Fixes

I want to do more than just imagine a stable framerate and a lagless cyrodiil

TheHsN

Bug/Lag Fixes

I love playing this game already how it is now...But the bad side is i cant play cuz of bugs and lags... SO i think they really need to fix bugs and for sure LAGS

thank you ... it is a good TOPIC

Farorin

Dark Brotherhood

I have no issue with bugs so long as they are not game breaking bugs that stop progress, so bring on the delicious buggy DLC!

lolo_01b16_ESO

Bug/Lag Fixes

Tryxus wrote: »

ZOS has a quota to reach you know: 4 DLCs per year (1 DLC per quarter)

But it would be nice ofc if they'd actually spend a little more time fixing stuff. And I mean REALLY fixing stuff instead of applying bandaids all the time

Who cares about content, when you can't play it?