Reward mails are coming in, and RNG hates me today..

Crown

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Fortunately, you will retroactively receive any Rewards that are owed to you after we publish this fix, which will be in next week’s incremental patch. You’ll just need to earn a single AP in order to trigger the Rewards to be sent. You are safe to continue playing in Cyrodiil in the meantime, though.

Hi @ZOS_GinaBruno - The reward mails are coming in, though it seems that you've changed the required amount of AP from 10k to 20k in order to get a single one.

Is this one more method to try and get players to run in smaller groups and thus make more AP?

Incidentally, I've gotten about 200 that are almost equal distribution of weapons and armour, and:

• One piece of jewlery (Marksman's ring)
• One piece of Vicious Death with impen (5 reinforced, 4 divines, 5 infused)
• One piece of Transmutation with impen (3 reinforced, 2 divines, 7 infused)
• Two pieces of Fasalla's Guile with impen (4 reinforced, 1 divines, 1 infused)
• Two pieces of Marksman with impen (6 reinforced, 5 divines, 8 infused)
• Lots of other sets that nobody will ever use
• Lots of weapons for sets that don't match (we thought you were fixing this?)

Is the distribution completely RNG ?

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EDIT 1: Having reviewed well over 1600 reward mails from different people (and made another 50 myself), we've come to the conclusions:

1. The drop rate of jewellery is less than 1%. @NerfPlease did some great math in another thread about the PTS drop rates that I can't find right now.
2. The distribution of Reinforced (32%) / Divines (29%) / Infused (21%) / Impenetrable (18%) is relatively close, and with the sample size not being huge it's probably RNG.
3. Getting a purple (instead of blue) drop seems to be about 1 in 20 (5% chance).
4. The distribution of weapons (48%) to armour (52%) is about even.

@ZOS_GinaBruno We appreciate that some traits were removed from PvP drop gear (we really do), though it looks like only a partial effort was made to clean up the distribution:

1. Why do we still have Reinforced on light and medium armour? There are some perma-blocking builds that think they can manage their stam well enough while blocking and want Reinforced on their HEAVY gear (the math says that they're wrong, but they'll still try it) - but the actual value of Reinforced on light (and medium) armor is zero. Absolute garbage.
2. Why do we still have defending on weapons? The amount of mitigation that defending gives in PvP will not make any difference whatsoever to survivability. In a damage meta, EVERYONE wants either penetration (grand majority of players) or crit (some pure healers and some niche builds).
3. Why do we still have magicka weapons for stamina sets, and stamina weapons for magicka sets? Example:

• Bows of vicious death are of zero value since you changed the first bow passive. It used to affect ALL damage from range (and make my inevitable do a bigger BOOM). I even crafted a gold bow of Torug's Pact when VR16 gear was first available. Now, this has zero value.
• Magicka DW is a thing, though the passives from DW weapons are only applicable from swords. Daggers were changed to only apply weapon crit and not spell crit as it used to be, thus negating the value of using any 1H weapons except for swords.
• Magicka 2H weapons give slightly more spell damage in some builds, though that's largely irrelevant as the passives don't work for magicka builds and DW is better overall.
• Stamina users will NEVER use a staff. I don't need to get into this.

vortexman11

How are you liking those Bows of Vicious Death?

_Chaos

vortexman11 wrote: »

How are you liking those Bows of Vicious Death?

Not as good as my Marksman lightening staff
How I use bow abilities on staff plz halp

Crown

vortexman11 wrote: »

How are you liking those Bows of Vicious Death?

Almost as much as I love the Ice Staff of Fury..

Weberda

One piece of jewelry?!?!?! Geez. I really think ZOS gave up on PvP a long time ago. They found it just too easy to make it Skyrim Online and to turn out redundant PvE grinds. Making all kinds of worthless motifs that players will somehow spend hours trying to find or grind was another easy way out.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Crown wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Fortunately, you will retroactively receive any Rewards that are owed to you after we publish this fix, which will be in next week’s incremental patch. You’ll just need to earn a single AP in order to trigger the Rewards to be sent. You are safe to continue playing in Cyrodiil in the meantime, though.

Hi @ZOS_GinaBruno - The reward mails are coming in, though it seems that you've changed the required amount of AP from 10k to 20k in order to get a single one.

Is this one more method to try and get players to run in smaller groups and thus make more AP?

Incidentally, I've gotten about 200 that are almost equal distribution of weapons and armour, and:

• One piece of jewlery (Marksman's ring)
• One piece of Vicious Death with impen (5 reinforced, 4 divines, 5 infused)
• One piece of Transmutation with impen (3 reinforced, 2 divines, 7 infused)
• Two pieces of Fasalla's Guile with impen (4 reinforced, 1 divines, 1 infused)
• Two pieces of Marksman with impen (6 reinforced, 5 divines, 8 infused)
• Lots of other sets that nobody will ever use
• Lots of weapons for sets that don't match (we thought you were fixing this?)

Is the distribution completely RNG ?

Is this a serious question? Thought you were playing this game for a while now

Taresgos

not appropriate set weapons

Warraxx

Minno

Psilent

Minno wrote: »

They did increase sprint speed by 10%. :-P

Satiar

I opend over 100 Mails.

No rings or neck. From ANY set. Jesus.

Zheg

Satiar wrote: »

I opend over 100 Mails.

No rings or neck. From ANY set. Jesus.

*RNjesus.

Talcyndl

Considering I'm a masochist and stayed on Azuras, I can't even earn the single AP I need to trigger the retroactive mails.

FENGRUSH

Crown wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Fortunately, you will retroactively receive any Rewards that are owed to you after we publish this fix, which will be in next week’s incremental patch. You’ll just need to earn a single AP in order to trigger the Rewards to be sent. You are safe to continue playing in Cyrodiil in the meantime, though.

Hi @ZOS_GinaBruno - The reward mails are coming in, though it seems that you've changed the required amount of AP from 10k to 20k in order to get a single one.

Is this one more method to try and get players to run in smaller groups and thus make more AP?

Incidentally, I've gotten about 200 that are almost equal distribution of weapons and armour, and:

• One piece of jewlery (Marksman's ring)
• One piece of Vicious Death with impen (5 reinforced, 4 divines, 5 infused)
• One piece of Transmutation with impen (3 reinforced, 2 divines, 7 infused)
• Two pieces of Fasalla's Guile with impen (4 reinforced, 1 divines, 1 infused)
• Two pieces of Marksman with impen (6 reinforced, 5 divines, 8 infused)
• Lots of other sets that nobody will ever use
• Lots of weapons for sets that don't match (we thought you were fixing this?)

Is the distribution completely RNG ?

Not really - already said this on stream. I opened about 1.8mil worth of bags through the week and had 1 ring. No VC with impen - honestly very low about of VC but thats probably just RNG. Jewelry is very low and its pretty absurd how long it is. Got like 7 lightning staves of leki though.

Talcyndl

Ok, went to Haderus and found a tower to repair...

25 Mails. NOT A SINGLE JEWELRY PIECE.

But I got a Marksmen Shield. That should be useful.

The closest I got to a useful item is the Fasalla's chest - and even that has infused. And considering the apparent impossibility of getting jewelry pieces, that is basically useless as well.

WTF ZOS. Would it be that hard to simply create a list of acceptable (even if not ideal) item/set/trait combinations?

KenaPKK

Of all the people on these forums, the fact that ZoS ignores you is beyond me, Crown. Siiiiiiigh.

Good to know that even in fixing their first screw up, they still managed to screw us again.

Minno

Psilent wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

They did increase sprint speed by 10%. :-P

But isn't there a rumor saying that you can't stack well-fitted trait bonuses?

GRxKnight

Crown wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Fortunately, you will retroactively receive any Rewards that are owed to you after we publish this fix, which will be in next week’s incremental patch. You’ll just need to earn a single AP in order to trigger the Rewards to be sent. You are safe to continue playing in Cyrodiil in the meantime, though.

Hi @ZOS_GinaBruno - The reward mails are coming in, though it seems that you've changed the required amount of AP from 10k to 20k in order to get a single one.

Is this one more method to try and get players to run in smaller groups and thus make more AP?

Incidentally, I've gotten about 200 that are almost equal distribution of weapons and armour, and:

• One piece of jewlery (Marksman's ring)
• One piece of Vicious Death with impen (5 reinforced, 4 divines, 5 infused)
• One piece of Transmutation with impen (3 reinforced, 2 divines, 7 infused)
• Two pieces of Fasalla's Guile with impen (4 reinforced, 1 divines, 1 infused)
• Two pieces of Marksman with impen (6 reinforced, 5 divines, 8 infused)
• Lots of other sets that nobody will ever use
• Lots of weapons for sets that don't match (we thought you were fixing this?)

Is the distribution completely RNG ?

WTB divines/infused vicious death (after i open my mails of course (hopefully 3 hours))

KenaPKK

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

_Chaos

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

GRxKnight

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

I'm on to you guys and what armor sets you're wearing to counter this...and use it at the same time...i think you formed "the meta" @Crown

Zheg

GRxKnight wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

I'm on to you guys and what armor sets you're wearing to counter this...and use it at the same time...i think you formed "the meta" @Crown

Confirmed, you will be made floppy fished by our death's wind en masse and die like pathetic magicarp.

GRxKnight

Zheg wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

I'm on to you guys and what armor sets you're wearing to counter this...and use it at the same time...i think you formed "the meta" @Crown

Confirmed, you will be made floppy fished by our death's wind en masse and die like pathetic magicarp.

Seems this new floppy fish bug occurs when you get hit by a meteor....did they replace fall damage in the code with floppy fish?

Ghost-Shot

GRxKnight wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

I'm on to you guys and what armor sets you're wearing to counter this...and use it at the same time...i think you formed "the meta" @Crown

Lol all it would take was 1 or 2 engagements to give it away.

Ghost-Shot

GRxKnight wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

I'm on to you guys and what armor sets you're wearing to counter this...and use it at the same time...i think you formed "the meta" @Crown

Confirmed, you will be made floppy fished by our death's wind en masse and die like pathetic magicarp.

Seems this new floppy fish bug occurs when you get hit by a meteor....did they replace fall damage in the code with floppy fish?

I actually haven't seen that with meteor yet, I will be endlessly amused if it is true.

GRxKnight

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

I'm on to you guys and what armor sets you're wearing to counter this...and use it at the same time...i think you formed "the meta" @Crown

Confirmed, you will be made floppy fished by our death's wind en masse and die like pathetic magicarp.

Seems this new floppy fish bug occurs when you get hit by a meteor....did they replace fall damage in the code with floppy fish?

I actually haven't seen that with meteor yet, I will be endlessly amused if it is true.

It's only happened to me after getting hit with a meteor so...

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

I'm on to you guys and what armor sets you're wearing to counter this...and use it at the same time...i think you formed "the meta" @Crown

Lol all it would take was 1 or 2 engagements to give it away.

Needless to say there will be a discussion in vic about getting people to do the same because it's just super troll cheese what you guys are doing

Zyle

My retroactive rewards:

Transmutation [11/69]

1x Impen Robe
1x Infused Robe
1x Impen Epaulets
1x Impen Gloves
1x Divines Shoes
1x Infused Shield

2x Precise 1h Mace
1x Precise 1h Sword
1x Defending Restoration Staff
1x Sharpened Lightning Staff

Vicious Death [16/69]

2x Impen Epaulets
1x Infused Jerkin
1x Reinforced Robe
1x Reinforced Sash
1x Infused Shield

1x Defending Inferno Staff
1x Defending Lightning Staff
1x Sharpened Restoration Staff
1x Sharpened 1h Mace
1x Sharpened 1h Axe
1x Sharpened 2h Axe
1x Defending Dagger
1x Precise Dagger
1x Defending 1h Mace
1x Defending 1h Sword

Leki's [12/69]

1x Infused Jack
1x Infused Boots
1x Infused Guards
1x Divines Guards
1x Reinforced Shield

2x Precise 1h Sword
2x Sharpened 1h Axe
2x Sharpened Inferno Staff
1x Precise Lightning Staff

Fasalla's Guile [11/69]

2x Infused Greaves
1x Infused Gauntlets
1x Impen Girdle
1x Reinforced Girdle
1x Divines Gauntlets

1x Sharpened Dagger
1x Precise 1h Axe
1x Precise Ice Staff
1x Precise Lightning Staff
1x Defending Inferno Staff

Marksman's Crest [9/69]

1x Impen Arm Cops
1x Infused Boots
1x Divines Boots

1x Sharpened Bow
1x Precise 1h Sword
1x Sharpened 1h Sword
1x Defending 2h Sword
1x Defending Lightning Staff
1x Defending Inferno Staff

Fury [10/69]

1x Necklace [Healthy]
1x Impen Cuirass
1x Divines Pauldron
1x Infused Helm
1x Infused Gauntlets

1x Precise Dagger
1x Defending Dagger
1x Sharpened 1h Axe
1x Defending Ice Staff
1x Sharpened Inferno Staff

Overall I was really hoping for more than 1 jewelry piece. Going to be deconstructing a good amount of useless items most likely.

Zheg

GRxKnight wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

I'm on to you guys and what armor sets you're wearing to counter this...and use it at the same time...i think you formed "the meta" @Crown

Confirmed, you will be made floppy fished by our death's wind en masse and die like pathetic magicarp.

Seems this new floppy fish bug occurs when you get hit by a meteor....did they replace fall damage in the code with floppy fish?

I've never had that happen to me with a meteor, though to be fair it's either one or two that I block and heal up, or 15+ and I start looking for a forward camp.

Far as I know it's been a knockback bug, specific to deaths wind and first Titan sets. I've never seen it happen from javelin, flame clench, or meteor knockbacks, but people are welcome to chime in and correct me.

Damage numbers are so high part of me wonders whether VD will even be necessary, but we shall see.

I'm not even sure my 55k hp trollplar can survive the numbers in this meta, it's not like people need VD to get kills right now.

GRxKnight

Zyle wrote: »

My retroactive rewards:

Transmutation [11/69]

1x Impen Robe
1x Infused Robe
1x Impen Epaulets
1x Impen Gloves
1x Divines Shoes
1x Infused Shield

2x Precise 1h Mace
1x Precise 1h Sword
1x Defending Restoration Staff
1x Sharpened Lightning Staff

Vicious Death [16/69]

2x Impen Epaulets
1x Infused Jerkin
1x Reinforced Robe
1x Reinforced Sash
1x Infused Shield

1x Defending Inferno Staff
1x Defending Lightning Staff
1x Sharpened Restoration Staff
1x Sharpened 1h Mace
1x Sharpened 1h Axe
1x Sharpened 2h Axe
1x Defending Dagger
1x Precise Dagger
1x Defending 1h Mace
1x Defending 1h Sword

Leki's [12/69]

1x Infused Jack
1x Infused Boots
1x Infused Guards
1x Divines Guards
1x Reinforced Shield

2x Precise 1h Sword
2x Sharpened 1h Axe
2x Sharpened Inferno Staff
1x Precise Lightning Staff

Fasalla's Guile [11/69]

2x Infused Greaves
1x Infused Gauntlets
1x Impen Girdle
1x Reinforced Girdle
1x Divines Gauntlets

1x Sharpened Dagger
1x Precise 1h Axe
1x Precise Ice Staff
1x Precise Lightning Staff
1x Defending Inferno Staff

Marksman's Crest [9/69]

1x Impen Arm Cops
1x Infused Boots
1x Divines Boots

1x Sharpened Bow
1x Precise 1h Sword
1x Sharpened 1h Sword
1x Defending 2h Sword
1x Defending Lightning Staff
1x Defending Inferno Staff

Fury [10/69]

1x Necklace [Healthy]
1x Impen Cuirass
1x Divines Pauldron
1x Infused Helm
1x Infused Gauntlets

1x Precise Dagger
1x Defending Dagger
1x Sharpened 1h Axe
1x Defending Ice Staff
1x Sharpened Inferno Staff

Overall I was really hoping for more than 1 jewelry piece. Going to be deconstructing a good amount of useless items most likely.

If on NA I'm interested in VD pieces

Ghost-Shot

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

I'm on to you guys and what armor sets you're wearing to counter this...and use it at the same time...i think you formed "the meta" @Crown

Confirmed, you will be made floppy fished by our death's wind en masse and die like pathetic magicarp.

Seems this new floppy fish bug occurs when you get hit by a meteor....did they replace fall damage in the code with floppy fish?

I actually haven't seen that with meteor yet, I will be endlessly amused if it is true.

It's only happened to me after getting hit with a meteor so...

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Oh, and Vicious Death probably isn't going to require Impen. Having that in Divines would be better for higher upfront burst. Since VD builds will be minimizing sustain anyway, that upfront burst is probably worth maximizing at the cost of sustain.

Believe it or not, it will be better for more than just a balls out damage bomb

I'm on to you guys and what armor sets you're wearing to counter this...and use it at the same time...i think you formed "the meta" @Crown

Lol all it would take was 1 or 2 engagements to give it away.

Needless to say there will be a discussion in vic about getting people to do the same because it's just super troll cheese what you guys are doing

Its hard to say if its really worth it before people are actually geared with VD, in theory though should work well.

reften

Guess i'll stick to crafted sets