Let's talk the new group-finder tool

Lieblingsjunge

Heyo! You are beautiful!
+++++POST-THIEVES' GUILD UPDATE TO GROUPING-TOOL+++++

- Premade groups does now get the rewards. But queue-times are NOT fixed.


So. The new grouping-tool has heaps of potential and it's a lot more rewarding than the old one, yey! But. There is(imo) some things that needs a fix. Or at least some thought.


1) Group-Finder's way of putting groups together. (No, I'm not talking about that it's hard to find tanks..!). I queued up for a random veteran dungeon on my V16 templar as healer. Got a group almost instantly, but the group was.... just.. depressing. The first time I queued up - I ended up healing, aggroing the boss & dealing the most damage to it.(It was Fungal Grotto, so it was easy but nevertheless). And honestly - I hated it. How is it in any way fair that I have to do all 3 roles, when I actually just queued up as a healer?! I understand ZoS' intention of helping the newbies complete dungeons and find groups.. but this is SO NOT the way to do it! It just feels really unfair on us that actually got V16 gear and has somewhat worked out a rotation that "works". + I consider myself a very patient person, usually. But if one of these newbies run into one of the aggressive-salty-players that seem to exist, I just feel really really sorry for them. Most likely the newbies will get flamed for not knowing what they're doing, and that will NOT be a good experience!

I dunno. Can't you make some sort of requirements? I've done vwgt no-death run, and I kinda dont wanna be stuck in a normal dungeon for 45 minutes just cus the group is horrible. When I play this game - I play to enjoy it. To play with friends. I do NOT play this game to waste 45minutes in one dungeon that takes 5-10.

2) Inside the dungeon & communication. The second time I queued up, I ended up in a group with two people, two nightblades. They did not know what they were doing - and I DID try to tell them what to do. But they didn't even respond. I'm not sure if they actually understood english at all, or, if they simply didn't read the chat. But. In which world is it possible to give somenoe advice and help them - if they can't even communicate. No, I'm not under any circumstances saying that everyone should know english - but still. Sort something out, because newbies will not be able to learn anything if they can't communicate!

3) Queueing up as all roles. Can we please get a solution to this? Happened in the same group as described on 2). One of the Nightblades queued up as all roles. zzzzzz. That seem to break the group-finder, as we never got a 4th person.

4) Getting two dungeons at once - can I clone myself? Anyway. With the same group as on 2) and 3). We got past the first Keeper in BC and the Clannfear. While I was killing the mobs in the hallway towards the next boss, I'm getting a notification from group-finding tool: "You are entering Elden Hollow as Healer in xx seconds"(Or something like it). Wat the actual? I'm already inside BC - finished some bosses, and I get prompted to a new dungeon?(Yes, I did get forced to teleport there..).

5) Queueing up as premade for Random Veteran Dungeon. I might just be blind - or stupid. But I haven't found a way to queue up as premade. Which is really sad, since. Well. I play this game mostly cus of all the awesome people in my FL and in my guilds. I understand that queueing up as premade kinda ruins the intention of the grouping-tool, but meh. At least let us queue as 3? That way the one random(that might be a newbie) that we find through Group-Finder, can at least complete the dungeon. Cus asI see now - all the random people I have met in the random queue - is by no means able to complete the dungeon. (Let's place 4 random people in ICP! Because ICP is so easy, right? Modify the dungeons so that they can only queue for the easy ones, idk?). If we could queue up as 3, that 4th person has the ability to learn the dungeon, complete it, and if it's one of these nice randoms, he/she might even ask questions to learn something!!! And queueing up as 3 also helps us V16-geared ones not waste 45 mins in a dungeon that takes us 5-10 mins.

6) Scaling. I can't play with my friends anymore! So. I'm a V2 Nightblade. I wanna queue up with my V16 friends. Earlier you could scale up(by exploiting a bug.. but.. still.. you could at least play with friends then!). Now there is basically two options, 1) Scale down to V2. All gear-drops is also scaled to V2. Helmet anyone?! 2) Scale it to V16 and let the V2 person die and die and die and die and die...... Can we just get some sort of scaling again, pls? I just want to play with my friends without being the same level as them!

+++++EDIT+++++
7) When you finally get a queue as a premade, rewards don't come through. ZoS might have a fix for this soon!:)




Note 1) Newbies in this post is a term used to describe people without lever-relevant gear & without any idea how to taunt the boss or deal damage. So it's not necessarily meant as a negative term, we all start somewhere!
Note 2) No, I am by no means considering myself good/better than xxx at this game. I'm just an average healing scrub trying to enjoy the game.
Note 3) I am presenting problems - I do not have the solutions to all of them.
Note 4) I am not fluent in english, grammar mistakes and horribly crafted sentences will occur. You are hereby warned and I apologise in advance!
Note 5) It is a wall-of-text. Read it, or don't. At the moment no TL;DR exist, but I might write one, soontm.

To you people who read this post - Write your comments!! This is just my opinions and my observations. If you got anything else to add, write it. If you don't like what I've written, write that, too!

Have a nice day, heroes of Tamriel!

MissBizz

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Heyo! You are beautiful!

5) Queueing up as premade for Random Veteran Dungeon. I might just be blind - or stupid. But I haven't found a way to queue up as premade. Which is really sad, since. Well. I play this game mostly cus of all the awesome people in my FL and in my guilds. I understand that queueing up as premade kinda ruins the intention of the grouping-tool, but meh. At least let us queue as 3? That way the one random(that might be a newbie) that we find through Group-Finder, can at least complete the dungeon. Cus asI see now - all the random people I have met in the random queue - is by no means able to complete the dungeon. (Let's place 4 random people in ICP! Because ICP is so easy, right? Modify the dungeons so that they can only queue for the easy ones, idk?). If we could queue up as 3, that 4th person has the ability to learn the dungeon, complete it, and if it's one of these nice randoms, he/she might even ask questions to learn something!!! And queueing up as 3 also helps us V16-geared ones not waste 45 mins in a dungeon that takes us 5-10 mins.

I'll just touch on this. Make a group, like normal... just make a group. Make sure you have 2 DPS, 1 Healer and 1 Tank (as per the right selected roles in the group finder) and then the group leader just needs to queue for a random normal or vet dungeon. It's really that simple.

ALTHOUGH. Right now there are a couple bugs. Bug #1 Premade groups may not receive their rewards (that big chunk of XP and the loot) Zos already has a fix for this in testing (as of a couple day ago). Bug#2 Even with a premade group it could take 20 minutes to actually give you a dungeon. Zos is also aware of this and is looking into it (for all I know they found a fix for this too and we just haven't heard back)

I've got a video on how the grouping tool (should - without bugs) work and how to use it if you're interested. Video

[EDIT] Ah heck. I'll throw some of my opinions in now too.

As for #1. Although that sounds nifty - it also sounds like no matter what all new people would get stuck together and therefore no one would be there to teach them. As well, what would the group finder look for? Achievements? To what extent would they need to match?

#2 Well, I'm not sure how to combat this.. but in a recent article by Zos they mentioned they want to add a ready check. Hopefully that could tie in somehow?

#3 I'm not exactly sure how to go about this. Have the group finder only allow you to select a maximum of two roles? I know you should specialize but really I know some folks who can do any role is the large majority of dungeons with a quick swap of gear.

#4 Weird. Did you put in a bug report?

#6 I heard about this but didn't test myself yet as we just used a full premade group for the random dungeons (which does scale everyone). That sucks though. I was a fan of being able to CHOOSE the dungeon and have everyone scale.

Valve

I manage to do runs on my sorc as a tank by stacking shields and using the undaunted taunt ability.

It's great helping noobs do a random normal dungeon for the new daily xp but something isn't right when I'm the last one alive, taunting a boss and damage dealing because the group members didn't have the damage or healing to kill and survive against the adds and all wiped.

There needs to be a way of helping educate players about how to build their characters and how to play their role effectively.

I agree about the group scaling, it was always nice searching for a dungeon with the group finder and cancelling the search to scale the dungeon and all non-vet16s to v16. This does not appear to be possible anymore and this really does suck.

Valve

MissBizz wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Heyo! You are beautiful!

5) Queueing up as premade for Random Veteran Dungeon. I might just be blind - or stupid. But I haven't found a way to queue up as premade. Which is really sad, since. Well. I play this game mostly cus of all the awesome people in my FL and in my guilds. I understand that queueing up as premade kinda ruins the intention of the grouping-tool, but meh. At least let us queue as 3? That way the one random(that might be a newbie) that we find through Group-Finder, can at least complete the dungeon. Cus asI see now - all the random people I have met in the random queue - is by no means able to complete the dungeon. (Let's place 4 random people in ICP! Because ICP is so easy, right? Modify the dungeons so that they can only queue for the easy ones, idk?). If we could queue up as 3, that 4th person has the ability to learn the dungeon, complete it, and if it's one of these nice randoms, he/she might even ask questions to learn something!!! And queueing up as 3 also helps us V16-geared ones not waste 45 mins in a dungeon that takes us 5-10 mins.

I'll just touch on this. Make a group, like normal... just make a group. Make sure you have 2 DPS, 1 Healer and 1 Tank (as per the right selected roles in the group finder) and then the group leader just needs to queue for a random normal or vet dungeon. It's really that simple.

ALTHOUGH. Right now there are a couple bugs. Bug #1 Premade groups may not receive their rewards (that big chunk of XP and the loot) Zos already has a fix for this in testing (as of a couple day ago). Bug#2 Even with a premade group it could take 20 minutes to actually give you a dungeon. Zos is also aware of this and is looking into it (for all I know they found a fix for this too and we just haven't heard back)

I've got a video on how the grouping tool (should - without bugs) work and how to use it if you're interested. Video

We've definitely been hitting the 20 minute bug. We had a group with a tank and healer and no damage dealers.

We should be able to find damage dealers instantly but it wouldn't work at all.
Trying to do a random or specific dungeon with a 4-person group with all the ideal roles didn't work, either.

I'd like to see these issues resolved so we can actually use the group finder to do the daily dungeon or a specific dungeon with friends.

MissBizz

Valve wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Heyo! You are beautiful!

5) Queueing up as premade for Random Veteran Dungeon. I might just be blind - or stupid. But I haven't found a way to queue up as premade. Which is really sad, since. Well. I play this game mostly cus of all the awesome people in my FL and in my guilds. I understand that queueing up as premade kinda ruins the intention of the grouping-tool, but meh. At least let us queue as 3? That way the one random(that might be a newbie) that we find through Group-Finder, can at least complete the dungeon. Cus asI see now - all the random people I have met in the random queue - is by no means able to complete the dungeon. (Let's place 4 random people in ICP! Because ICP is so easy, right? Modify the dungeons so that they can only queue for the easy ones, idk?). If we could queue up as 3, that 4th person has the ability to learn the dungeon, complete it, and if it's one of these nice randoms, he/she might even ask questions to learn something!!! And queueing up as 3 also helps us V16-geared ones not waste 45 mins in a dungeon that takes us 5-10 mins.

I'll just touch on this. Make a group, like normal... just make a group. Make sure you have 2 DPS, 1 Healer and 1 Tank (as per the right selected roles in the group finder) and then the group leader just needs to queue for a random normal or vet dungeon. It's really that simple.

ALTHOUGH. Right now there are a couple bugs. Bug #1 Premade groups may not receive their rewards (that big chunk of XP and the loot) Zos already has a fix for this in testing (as of a couple day ago). Bug#2 Even with a premade group it could take 20 minutes to actually give you a dungeon. Zos is also aware of this and is looking into it (for all I know they found a fix for this too and we just haven't heard back)

I've got a video on how the grouping tool (should - without bugs) work and how to use it if you're interested. Video

We've definitely been hitting the 20 minute bug. We had a group with a tank and healer and no damage dealers.

We should be able to find damage dealers instantly but it wouldn't work at all.
Trying to do a random or specific dungeon with a 4-person group with all the ideal roles didn't work, either.

I'd like to see these issues resolved so we can actually use the group finder to do the daily dungeon or a specific dungeon with friends.

@valve yes. Personally we had all 4 and it still took 20 minutes one time, 8 minutes the next. Both bugs appear to be connected to having ANY amount of premade group (whether 2 people are already grouped or 4). I used the group finder solo (I'm a healer) and was given a dungeon pretty quick.. I'm crossing my fingers they already found a fix and it will be in the next incremental.. but all that is is me crossing my fingers.

As for the specific dungeon. I never even tried that because how I understood that article.. was the premade groups was just for doing the random ones (to get the loot). Although if we COULD choose a specific dungeon as a premade group.. that would allow us to scale everyone. I like that idea. Now I hope I understood wrong and that's how it should be so they fix it. lol

ShadowNekrosys

Hi guys, sorry if I don't open a new topic, but recently I've met a kind of bug or problem related to the group finder tool.
My friends and I (2DPS, 1Tank, 1Healer) started a veteran Banished Cell, made our way throught all the enemies up to the final boss and then 1 of us had to go. So I started to look for a 4th player throught the group finder and our dungeon was restarted. Is this intended or a bug? Have I done anything wrong?

Fenyx

ShadowNekrosys wrote: »

Have I done anything wrong?

In that case you should look for a new member manually. It was not scaled dungeon, and new finding tool know nothing where you were. So when it found a new member for you it started new scaled dungeon.

ShadowNekrosys

Fenyx wrote: »

ShadowNekrosys wrote: »

Have I done anything wrong?

In that case you should look for a new member manually. It was not scaled dungeon, and new finding tool know nothing where you were. So when it found a new member for you it started new scaled dungeon.

Manually? I play on PS4 so I don't know if on PC you have others means to look for players.
Btw it seems a bit confusing tool and should be perfected, imo.

vamp_emily

Allow queing while in PvP. Last weekend I had to pull away from PvP, just so i could sit in a que for several hours. ( not so fun )

They should also add some additional options, to zero in on preferred play styles.
- beginners
- intermediate
- advanced
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or something like:
-fun
-casual
-hardcore

I think adding something like this to the group finder tool, would help match players with the same play style.

For example if i would use the group finder tool and they had these additional options, I would more than likely pick "Casual" or "Intermediate" and not match up with hardcore or beginner players.

I haven't tried the group finder tool after the most recent DLC, but last weekend was a very bad experience for me. Sat in the que wasting most my play time.

MissBizz

ShadowNekrosys wrote: »

Fenyx wrote: »

ShadowNekrosys wrote: »

Have I done anything wrong?

In that case you should look for a new member manually. It was not scaled dungeon, and new finding tool know nothing where you were. So when it found a new member for you it started new scaled dungeon.

Manually? I play on PS4 so I don't know if on PC you have others means to look for players.
Btw it seems a bit confusing tool and should be perfected, imo.

@ShadowNekrosys The group finder was overhauled with the Thieves Guild patch to make it easier to use and some other improvements. PC currently has this but you should be getting it on the 23rd when PS4 is getting Thieves Guild.

Ashtaris

Some of these changes is going to have a serious impact on some guild activities. For example, our guild has dungeon runs every Saturday and we have a wide range of levels who participate. So if we have to, we try to mix experienced with non-experienced to make sure each group gets through. Granted, we can still do a random vet or normal dungeon, but without the group finder exploit where you could battle level a dungeon, doing the pledges with a wide range group is going to be much harder, especially now if you have to try and match the levels of each group. @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_RichLambert, could you look into this and see if there is a solution?

Lieblingsjunge

I'm a forum-scrub. I got no idea how this quoting-system works(yet!), so I will just post this separately, but it's a response to MissBizz' earlier post.

1)Yeah, I know. It's a problem. As I said - I got no idea how to solve it all, I just know that I am not happy about having to do all 3 roles, when I intended to heal. A previous game I played had a newbie-friendly-guild, it was created by a player from the official community-team and everyone who created a new account was in that guild as per default. The guild officers were experienced people that didn't mind helping and explaining the new players. I kinda like that idea, but that one also has it's problems..

2) Oh, that would be nice.

3) Nah, it lets you select every role, which is good! Diversity is good. And yeah, people can fill multiple roles. I can, too. But the Nightblade I am talking about, queued up as all 3, just to get a group, seeing as he did no dps, he did not taunt nor did he heal. I guess some people will abuse tools that's meant to make things easier.

4) No, I didn't. Maybe I should've. Hm.

6) Same ;_; My poor V2 Nightblade is pretty useless in any dungeon unless V16 scaled - hard to do gold key that way zz. (One can argue, do I rly need that gold key, tho...)

MissBizz

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I'm a forum-scrub. I got no idea how this quoting-system works(yet!), so I will just post this separately, but it's a response to MissBizz' earlier post.

1)Yeah, I know. It's a problem. As I said - I got no idea how to solve it all, I just know that I am not happy about having to do all 3 roles, when I intended to heal. A previous game I played had a newbie-friendly-guild, it was created by a player from the official community-team and everyone who created a new account was in that guild as per default. The guild officers were experienced people that didn't mind helping and explaining the new players. I kinda like that idea, but that one also has it's problems..

2) Oh, that would be nice.

3) Nah, it lets you select every role, which is good! Diversity is good. And yeah, people can fill multiple roles. I can, too. But the Nightblade I am talking about, queued up as all 3, just to get a group, seeing as he did no dps, he did not taunt nor did he heal. I guess some people will abuse tools that's meant to make things easier.

4) No, I didn't. Maybe I should've. Hm.

6) Same ;_; My poor V2 Nightblade is pretty useless in any dungeon unless V16 scaled - hard to do gold key that way zz. (One can argue, do I rly need that gold key, tho...)

I'm more of a scrub in game than the forums So I'll give ya a quick rundown. When you hover over a post look near the bottom, you'll see a "quote" button - click that and it puts all the stuff into the "leave a reply box" below. As well, if you are talking to someone you may want to put @ before their name so it notifies them like this... @Lieblingsjunge (even though you're probably getting notifications already since it's your thread)

Anyways! Yeah it sucks that the first problem just doesn't appear to have a good solution. Personally if I'm looking to get the vet dungeon done quick - I try to ask people I know, therefore I'm aware of their skill level and how we all work together. When I've got time to kill though I'll use the groupfinder.

#2 Definitely give that article a good read! They also mentioned creating a vote/kick option so angry leaders can't just kick people for no reason

#3 Yeah unfortunately you can't fix people. He was likely supposed to be a DPS but didn't have a good grasp on the game yet, and well, we all know DPS face considerably higher queuing times than tanks/healers so people try to get around it.. but it really doesn't help anyone in the end.

#4 I definitely would be sure to put in a bug report whenever anything weird happens (like that, or even the 3 person group bug). This will allow Zos to see all kind of information that you may not even be aware matters. I personally put them in when I had to wait an extended time even though we had a full group (funny enough as I was typing it we were given a dungeon).

I'm glad to see you weren't raging in your initial post. I really think they are trying to get the group finder up to par, and with bugs being reported as well as sensible feedback I really think it will get there.

ArpamiesFin

"soontm" was a nice touch

Ferrofluid

I assumed the long queue time for premade groups was intentional tbh. Otherwise you could just have groups repeatedly quitting dungeons and just doing the quick ones to farm the sets..

MissBizz

Ferrofluid wrote: »

I assumed the long queue time for premade groups was intentional tbh. Otherwise you could just have groups repeatedly quitting dungeons and just doing the quick ones to farm the sets..

Or to ensure you get the pledge dungeons. Shh . I could see there being a cooldown (so if you search for one you are not able to search again for 10 minutes) but waiting 20 minutes for your first? Not intended.

Lieblingsjunge

MissBizz wrote: »

Ferrofluid wrote: »

I assumed the long queue time for premade groups was intentional tbh. Otherwise you could just have groups repeatedly quitting dungeons and just doing the quick ones to farm the sets..

Or to ensure you get the pledge dungeons. Shh . I could see there being a cooldown (so if you search for one you are not able to search again for 10 minutes) but waiting 20 minutes for your first? Not intended.

Yeah, having some cooldown inbetween queueing sounds great.

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Tried to queue as a 2-man premade yday. Had to wait 25mins x 2(One crashed), but eventually we got a queue! So it works.. Kinda I'm looking forward to a fix, the exp is too nice to pass on!

Lieblingsjunge

Also. Crashes in a dungeon. Queued up today, the entire group crashed. No bug-splat, though.
Game doesn't respond and then you gotta terminate it.

NewBlacksmurf

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Heyo! You are beautiful!

So. The new grouping-tool has heaps of potential and it's a lot more rewarding than the old one, yey! But. There is(imo) some things that needs a fix. Or at least some thought.


1) Group-Finder's way of putting groups together. (No, I'm not talking about that it's hard to find tanks..!). I queued up for a random veteran dungeon on my V16 templar as healer. Got a group almost instantly, but the group was.... just.. depressing. The first time I queued up - I ended up healing, aggroing the boss & dealing the most damage to it.(It was Fungal Grotto, so it was easy but nevertheless). And honestly - I hated it. How is it in any way fair that I have to do all 3 roles, when I actually just queued up as a healer?! I understand ZoS' intention of helping the newbies complete dungeons and find groups.. but this is SO NOT the way to do it! It just feels really unfair on us that actually got V16 gear and has somewhat worked out a rotation that "works". + I consider myself a very patient person, usually. But if one of these newbies run into one of the aggressive-salty-players that seem to exist, I just feel really really sorry for them. Most likely the newbies will get flamed for not knowing what they're doing, and that will NOT be a good experience!

I dunno. Can't you make some sort of requirements? I've done vwgt no-death run, and I kinda dont wanna be stuck in a normal dungeon for 45 minutes just cus the group is horrible. When I play this game - I play to enjoy it. To play with friends. I do NOT play this game to waste 45minutes in one dungeon that takes 5-10.

2) Inside the dungeon & communication. The second time I queued up, I ended up in a group with two people, two nightblades. They did not know what they were doing - and I DID try to tell them what to do. But they didn't even respond. I'm not sure if they actually understood english at all, or, if they simply didn't read the chat. But. In which world is it possible to give somenoe advice and help them - if they can't even communicate. No, I'm not under any circumstances saying that everyone should know english - but still. Sort something out, because newbies will not be able to learn anything if they can't communicate!

3) Queueing up as all roles. Can we please get a solution to this? Happened in the same group as described on 2). One of the Nightblades queued up as all roles. zzzzzz. That seem to break the group-finder, as we never got a 4th person.

4) Getting two dungeons at once - can I clone myself? Anyway. With the same group as on 2) and 3). We got past the first Keeper in BC and the Clannfear. While I was killing the mobs in the hallway towards the next boss, I'm getting a notification from group-finding tool: "You are entering Elden Hollow as Healer in xx seconds"(Or something like it). Wat the actual? I'm already inside BC - finished some bosses, and I get prompted to a new dungeon?(Yes, I did get forced to teleport there..).

5) Queueing up as premade for Random Veteran Dungeon. I might just be blind - or stupid. But I haven't found a way to queue up as premade. Which is really sad, since. Well. I play this game mostly cus of all the awesome people in my FL and in my guilds. I understand that queueing up as premade kinda ruins the intention of the grouping-tool, but meh. At least let us queue as 3? That way the one random(that might be a newbie) that we find through Group-Finder, can at least complete the dungeon. Cus asI see now - all the random people I have met in the random queue - is by no means able to complete the dungeon. (Let's place 4 random people in ICP! Because ICP is so easy, right? Modify the dungeons so that they can only queue for the easy ones, idk?). If we could queue up as 3, that 4th person has the ability to learn the dungeon, complete it, and if it's one of these nice randoms, he/she might even ask questions to learn something!!! And queueing up as 3 also helps us V16-geared ones not waste 45 mins in a dungeon that takes us 5-10 mins.

6) Scaling. I can't play with my friends anymore! So. I'm a V2 Nightblade. I wanna queue up with my V16 friends. Earlier you could scale up(by exploiting a bug.. but.. still.. you could at least play with friends then!). Now there is basically two options, 1) Scale down to V2. All gear-drops is also scaled to V2. Helmet anyone?! 2) Scale it to V16 and let the V2 person die and die and die and die and die...... Can we just get some sort of scaling again, pls? I just want to play with my friends without being the same level as them!

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7) When you finally get a queue as a premade, rewards don't come through. ZoS might have a fix for this soon!:)

Note 1) Newbies in this post is a term used to describe people without lever-relevant gear & without any idea how to taunt the boss or deal damage. So it's not necessarily meant as a negative term, we all start somewhere!
Note 2) No, I am by no means considering myself good/better than xxx at this game. I'm just an average healing scrub trying to enjoy the game.
Note 3) I am presenting problems - I do not have the solutions to all of them.
Note 4) I am not fluent in english, grammar mistakes and horribly crafted sentences will occur. You are hereby warned and I apologise in advance!
Note 5) It is a wall-of-text. Read it, or don't. At the moment no TL;DR exist, but I might write one, soontm.

To you people who read this post - Write your comments!! This is just my opinions and my observations. If you got anything else to add, write it. If you don't like what I've written, write that, too!

Have a nice day, heroes of Tamriel!

1. The ideals you have are those that suggest you shouldn't PUG ever. It's not that the game needs adjusting on this, but that you would better enjoy the game if you never join PUG in the grouping tools system.
2. Same as number 1. Exact same reply literally
3. And again....same reply, but I'll add, people will be people and while a company can add in restrictions, ppl will just take other actions as it seems this is a selfish choice of players to get in a group faster.
4. I think this is a situation where you may not have realized that the leader had changed to do another dungeon. It's very often in any game that ppl requeue if they end up in an encounter they don't want. All I can say here is slow down and pay attention to your group because the more I read, it seems you may be more to blame if the group has gone away and you're fighting. It seems someone else stayed to help or stayed cause they planned to complete the encounter that you were in but the leader clearly had other plans.
5. You just need to pre-select the veteran option first. (NOT the veteran dungeon name but the actual drop down that offers two options. Normal and Veteran. This is the second selection you should make after choosing your role. Always do this and then select the dungeon name and if veteran is selected. Choose the veteran dungeon. It's a L2P issue that many overlook due to a lack of helpful info in the UI. It happens, but it's O K. You can queue as 3 aid you're using the tool correctly...this shouldn't be an issue at all.
6. This seems to be a L2P issue. When you manually group you can either set the leader and manually enter a dungeon so NPCs will be at the leaders level. OR you can manually group and queue and get scaled up. Not sure that you understand how to use the tools and I'm not trying to be rude, just sharing my thoughts on what's written here.
7. Manual groups or if you D/C it seems there is a bug so right now, only a true PUG seems to work for these rewards.

UrQuan

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

5. You just need to pre-select the veteran option first. (NOT the veteran dungeon name but the actual drop down that offers two options. Normal and Veteran. This is the second selection you should make after choosing your role. Always do this and then select the dungeon name and if veteran is selected. Choose the veteran dungeon. It's a L2P issue that many overlook due to a lack of helpful info in the UI. It happens, but it's O K. You can queue as 3 aid you're using the tool correctly...this shouldn't be an issue at all.

That's clearly not what he's talking about. Maybe you don't know about the changes to the group finder tool that came with Monday's update, but one of them was the addition of a "Random Veteran Dungeon" and "Random Normal Dungeon" option, each of which gives you rewards for completing the random dungeon it gives you. That's what he's talking about. You do not select a dungeon name when doing that, as it would defeat the purpose of doing a random dungeon. If you have a premade group and you select the queue option for a random dungeon it's supposed to instantly pop you into a random dungeon. Right now there's a bug with it and even when you have a 4-person group with 1 healer, 1 tank, and 2 DPS you can be sitting in a queue for your random dungeon for over 20 minutes.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

6. This seems to be a L2P issue. When you manually group you can either set the leader and manually enter a dungeon so NPCs will be at the leaders level. OR you can manually group and queue and get scaled up. Not sure that you understand how to use the tools and I'm not trying to be rude, just sharing my thoughts on what's written here.

Again, I'm not sure if you're aware of the changes to the group finder that came with the update on Monday but you can't scale your group up using it anymore unless you're queuing for a random dungeon. If there's a specific dungeon you want to do, you can no longer scale a pre-made group to VR16.

Humatiel

What your asking for would be wonderful, but far too segregating for ZoS (or this community) to be comfortable with. Frankly it would also be impossible to sustain, every player assumes they know what's going on so would (naturally) que for the top tier types of selections (advanced over beginner groups for instance).

On the other hand it should be possible to limit it per level / CP / environment based achievements (aka speed run completed on that dungeon). Were these things to be implemented I imagine we would see a lot more people using the group finder.

Lieblingsjunge

@NewBlacksmurf Heyo! You apparently play on something else than PC. You haven't recieved the TG-update yet, you'll see what I mean with the dungeon then. I appreciate your feedback, and I agree that I should've highligted that in the first post(And I will!) But I will not clarify myself, as you haven't experienced the update yet. You might understand more of it once the update hits console

NewBlacksmurf

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf Heyo! You apparently play on something else than PC. You haven't recieved the TG-update yet, you'll see what I mean with the dungeon then. I appreciate your feedback, and I agree that I should've highligted that in the first post(And I will!) But I will not clarify myself, as you haven't experienced the update yet. You might understand more of it once the update hits console

I play on both
I do primarily play on Xbox One but was on the entire PTS for this.
Perhaps some other change has occurred since I last logged into PTS just before release as I moved into a new house and didn't play for a week and a half. *edit* actually its been two full weeks now that I look back so I definitely missed some updates.

Sorry if I'm off on that one.

Elara_Northwind

Last night, myself and 3 friends wanted to do a dungeon, but our tank was only vet1, so we thought that it would be a great idea to make 2 groups of 2, and then search for each other in group finder so that our friend could be scaled to vet16. Myself set as dps and the tank were grouped together, and our healer and second dps were grouped together separately and we hit search and were queued for about half an hour before we just gave up.

I don't understand why, when our two groups were a perfect match, it did not group us together?? This has made me loose all faith in the group finder tool... I don't think I will use it again.

Sausage

Why cant players just put Request, whatever they need and theres a place where all requests are displayed on the UI/screen. Community takes care of them as they come.

Lieblingsjunge

SadieJoan wrote: »

Last night, myself and 3 friends wanted to do a dungeon, but our tank was only vet1, so we thought that it would be a great idea to make 2 groups of 2, and then search for each other in group finder so that our friend could be scaled to vet16. Myself set as dps and the tank were grouped together, and our healer and second dps were grouped together separately and we hit search and were queued for about half an hour before we just gave up.

I don't understand why, when our two groups were a perfect match, it did not group us together?? This has made me loose all faith in the group finder tool... I don't think I will use it again.

Yeah. That happens. What I tried today(And it worked... Kinda) Was queueing up for a dungeon in a 4-man premade group(Our tank was V4). Just set the roles to 2 DPS, one tank, one healer. And wait 20-25-30 minutes! The queue pops eventually, you just gotta wait for it. Suggest cleaning Delves or something meanwhile, though. So you can basically queue together. It just takes waaaaay too long to get a queue

Lieblingsjunge

@ZOS_GinaBruno Any ETA on the fix for Grouping-tool?

Humatiel

"we're looking into it, no ETA"

Lieblingsjunge

Humatiel wrote: »

"we're looking into it, no ETA"

Haha

UrQuan

Something odd just happened to me with the group finder that I haven't personally experienced before.

I queued for a random normal dungeon as a tank. After about 30 seconds or so I was put into a group and I got the notification that I was going to be teleported to Darkshade Caverns shortly.

Only problem: there were 6 of us in the group. I wasn't already grouped with anyone when I started queuing, but I don't know if some of the others may have been. Even weirder, there were 2 tanks in the group, and one of the non-tanks (I think it was a DPS) was showing as offline.

Since there were too many of us in the group to do a dungeon, and since the group already had another tank (the other tank had crown), I said something in the group chat about there being too many of us in the group to do a dungeon, and I bowed out so the others could run it.

I think I've heard of other people seeing that bug, but when queuing for a dungeon I've never been put into a group too big to actually do that dungeon before...

Dubhliam

There are many recent threads that talk both of the Grouping Tool and the difficulty slider.

It all boils down to this:
The Grouping Tool is fine, it is working as intended.
What is not okay is the difficulty of the game, dungeons excluded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnWdrJvBhOQ

ZOS caters to casual gamers in a non constructive way.
There is no learning curve for a new player,they are thrown into a dungeon with three other people with no understanding of basic mechanics and large spike in difficulty.

Actually, dungeons are indefinitely more harder than solo content because the difficulty of solo content is 0.

There are a couple of things ZOS should do:
1. Increase the difficulty of the game
2. Implement a short tutorial of basic game mechanics (magicka spells are stronger with a larger magicka pool)

Ideally, people should group and join guilds. They should socialize and ask for advice. This is a great premise for a game.
But more often than not, people just play it solo.
Because they can, it is laughably easy.

It takes two minutes and negligible materials to craft a blue set, and it makes a world of difference for dungeon play.

Still, nobody does not even ask for a set, because they don't need it. Running around in Ornate clothing is feasible.
When I get new players in a balkanian guild that I play in, I offer to craft them a set out of materials from guild bank (for free).
You know what is the most common answer I get?
"Nah, no need to bother yourself."