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Wrecking blow counters
DjSolJAH
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To get away from the posts calling for a WB nerf, let's discuss viable ways to counter WB.
On my magica sorc I will typically drop mines, curse and streak through the WB. Efficient way of countering WB as long as my stamina doesn't deplete
What's some other viable counters for sorcs as well as other classes?
Edited by DjSolJAH on March 8, 2016 10:34PM On my magica sorc I will typically drop mines, curse and streak through the WB. Efficient way of countering WB as long as my stamina doesn't deplete
What's some other viable counters for sorcs as well as other classes?
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Dread_Guy✭✭✭✭✭instead of dodgerolling away from it, you can roll towards the caster. WB seems to break when you get too close to the caster."My name is Julius Decimus Heraclius, Guildmaster of the Scions of the Sun, Brigadier of the Covenant Army, loyal servant to the High King Emeric. Brother to a betrayed legion, son to a fallen empire. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next." ---Julius Decimus Heraclius (Imperial Templar)2 -
DjSolJAH✭✭✭Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »instead of dodgerolling away from it, you can roll towards the caster. WB seems to break when you get too close to the caster.
I've heard that before, yet it's just unnatural so I never properly test it. I've heard you can just walk towards it too
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✭Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »instead of dodgerolling away from it, you can roll towards the caster. WB seems to break when you get too close to the caster.
I've heard that before, yet it's just unnatural so I never properly test it. I've heard you can just walk towards it too
You can just walk through your opponent and it will stop casting cause you broke line of sight.
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DjSolJAH✭✭✭Ah so you have to be pretty close thenZee blues are coming!!!! Always.... Always coming...0
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✭✭✭mana DK. Ash cloud, knockdown, get behind, lash spam. if they roll out and stampede me again It will just force them to waste stamina.0 -
Toxie50✭✭To be frank, just cirlcle the 2 hander!
Ive played all styles, and this wrecking blow is the hardest to execute, it fails if you lose targtet!
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Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭Omg are you guys serious this ability is nerfed atm .... WB is super simple to avoid ... I avoid them all the time...PVP DEADWAIT
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DjSolJAH✭✭✭Omg are you guys serious this ability is nerfed atm .... WB is super simple to avoid ... I avoid them all the time...
I found the guy who can't read... May want to double check the thread, this isn't a nerf WB thread. Great input though everyone learned so much
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EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭WB is really easy to counter, still don't understand why people have such a hard time countering it.Xbox One [ NA ]
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Lorkhan✭✭✭✭✭just dont ever try to run away. its range is like 35 meters, maybe more.
roll towards the caster.
this video is gold:
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DjSolJAH✭✭✭WB is really easy to counter, still don't understand why people have such a hard time countering it.
Only time I'd say I have trouble countering it is when I have no stamina. Get knocked on your back with 0 Stam and its game over.
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No it doesn't work in most cases. Dueled with this WB spamming DK - WB would go through cloak every time. It would also still hit me if I go through the enemy and end up behind his back. Not sure how it is after the update.0 -
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No it doesn't work in most cases. Dueled with this WB spamming DK - WB would go through cloak every time. It would also still hit me if I go through the enemy and end up behind his back. Not sure how it is after the update.
It might just be different experiences I have done it and seen other NB do it.0 -
LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »instead of dodgerolling away from it, you can roll towards the caster. WB seems to break when you get too close to the caster.
I've heard that before, yet it's just unnatural so I never properly test it. I've heard you can just walk towards it too
You can just walk through your opponent and it will stop casting cause you broke line of sight.
I hear people say this and I call bs. you can't walk through it because it's a hard lock. Once wb is locked onto target it holds you in place for timing synchronization issues. Even if you could, Your not gonna just walk through a spamming wblower like its s walk in the park and combat is in slow mo. Furthermore, these battles aren't scripted where you would even be remotely afforeded the opportunity to just conveniently walk through someone animation canceling with a whole bunch of stuff going on.
No, the only way to break wb is dodge roll or cloak. Unless he is using invis detect pot or marked target.Edited by LegacyDM on March 10, 2016 5:17AMLegacy of Kain
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✭✭✭✭Best counters to wrecking blow are
Sorc- Daedric mine field
Non-sorc - Volcanic Rune
Use them as area denial both hit pretty hard and cc and volcanic rune gets a 20% empowerment bonus.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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iRageGGB✭✭✭For the most part the only time I get killed by wrecking blow spammers is when they come up from behind me or come out of stealth. Or if I'm fighting someone and then I get jumped by 4+ people. For most people it's easy to see and avoid, but I play (in Cyrodiil) at 125-150+ ping I'm west coast US playing on NA PC and I have crap ping. So it's so hard for me to get out of wrecking blow because IF I even see the animation I will roll toward them or you know logically walk away from them thinking hey it's only a 6ft sword can't reach me @ 21+ feet.
The only thing that needs to be "nerfed" is the range on it there is NO WAY (if you use real-life logic) that someone with a 6 foot sword/axe/hammer could hit someone at 21 feet or so because even with someone lunging forward and stretching out their arms they MIGHT get 10 feet or less. They should lower the range to 3-4 meters instead of the 7 it's at right now, and then be able to get stunned while using wrecking blow.
I did some testing with macros (I don't use macros, was just testing) and was able to get about 2 to 2 1/2 wrecking blows out before the person was able to stam break out, and if I did it from stealth as a NB with 3K wep damage + shadowy disguise I could do 2 WBs then cancel the animation and just hit them with executioner and they'd be dead, or just hit them with impale/killer's blade and they're done and they'd never know it happened until it was too late to react. NOW with Kena and Alchemist it's even worse and easier to do.The Ugly Orcling - EP Orc Stam Sorc
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Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wreaking blow lol I wish i had another stamina option....if you get hit just get up its doing crap damage on a ton of people .. put points into hardy wear impem... and it will hit like a wet noodle...
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LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wreaking blow lol I wish i had another stamina option....if you get hit just get up its doing crap damage on a ton of people .. put points into hardy wear impem... and it will hit like a wet noodle...
Sword and board? A lot of top players use s&b and are tough as hell to take down.Legacy of Kain
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rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The best defense is someone that isn't lagging (ofttimes intentionally).
A little bit of lag and they will hit you with wrecking blow while facing the wrong direction and you on the opposite side of the room.
I've been hit by a self proclaimed lord while he was facing the wrong way while on a catwalk at a keep while I was dark cloaked and had jumped off. Literally... nowhere even remotely near me (nor even facing me).
Best guess is the lagsploitation abusers really don't have to even aim it, with them... you will be hit by it most the time no matter what you do.1 -
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✭joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »instead of dodgerolling away from it, you can roll towards the caster. WB seems to break when you get too close to the caster.
I've heard that before, yet it's just unnatural so I never properly test it. I've heard you can just walk towards it too
You can just walk through your opponent and it will stop casting cause you broke line of sight.
I hear people say this and I call bs. you can't walk through it because it's a hard lock. Once wb is locked onto target it holds you in place for timing synchronization issues. Even if you could, Your not gonna just walk through a spamming wblower like its s walk in the park and combat is in slow mo. Furthermore, these battles aren't scripted where you would even be remotely afforeded the opportunity to just conveniently walk through someone animation canceling with a whole bunch of stuff going on.
No, the only way to break wb is dodge roll or cloak. Unless he is using invis detect pot or marked target.
Clearly where you dodge is dependent on where you are standing when they activate the WB, but you can absolutely walk/dodge through someone to get it to cancel. I have done it. It only auto tracks your position if you are strafing, I didn't say strafe around them I said walk THROUGH them. There is no player collision detection in PVP, walk or dodge right at them and if you are close enough you will go through them and it will cancel. Once canceled CC them and burst.
You can also use a root to prevent them from turning and strafe around them too. It's what people do to my Stamplar, root and strafe to completely avoid Biting Jabs.0 -
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✭just dont ever try to run away. its range is like 35 meters, maybe more.
roll towards the caster.
this video is gold:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXiGPo21CAI
This is why I use Fear instead of roll dodge. In lag, there are plenty of situations I have run into similar to this. Fear puts a snare and a damage debuff on them which is like a swift kick in the balls.0 -
Dyride✭✭✭✭✭I think the problem is they only have 1 range check during the channel for wrecking blow, so even if you have moved outside it's regular range, it will still land.
I run SnB and bash cancel Deep Slash so they are constantly debuffed and snared, while I keep as close as possible.
SnB also helps me defend against Magicka Sorcs with Defensive Stance and reflect Meteors. smh
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✭✭just dont ever try to run away. its range is like 35 meters, maybe more.
roll towards the caster.
Haha not naming and shaming, but with the person in question it's not wrecking blow that's broken.
The problem is that it's "certain people" that can all hit you with WB from anywhere... how? I don't know, but I know who they are.
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✭✭✭You SHOULD just be able to block it like how it was with PVE.
The caster is then stunned for a few seconds because its ridiculous how it hits through blocks on PVP.
Anyway dodge roll towards the caster I guess0
