Power Surge vs Structured Entropy

DjKahun

This has probably been discussed many of times but I just can not make my mind up which one to use.. I have been using Power Surge most of the time as it's just less effort and I don't need to cast it on an enemy to use it and I get the sorcerer passive but then structured entropy is good too giving u regen etc so yeah can't decide what are your views guys?

Hyssia

Structured Entropy, definitely.

Power Surge could be better in 1vX / XvX depending on your build.

e:

keep it on mainbar

olsborg

Depends on build, altho atm personally I would go from entropy on main to to surge on second bar, since Im gonna be using inner light on main bar.

DjKahun

Hyssia wrote: »

Structured Entropy, definitely.

Power Surge could be better in 1vX / XvX depending on your build.

e:

keep it on mainbar

That's the problem I don't really have anything on my main bar to replace it with so I would need to have it on my second bar where I have Power Surge currently, I got a DW high dps single target build which I believe entropy would be better but if I use surge it means I don't need to keep on switching bars and just concentrate on dps. Hard choice

incite

think it all depends on what build you use and how you use it, i use so on main bar and prefer it over surge anytime,
why? cause i'm used to it and i prefer the advantages so gives over surge

crislevin

structured entropy.

power surge only gives 33 s major sorcery, structured entropy gives 20s major sorcery and 5 s major empower. Its 1.2*1.2=1.44x damage. If by change it procs frag, its loads of damage.

sluice

I, too prefer Structured Entropy because of the Might of guild passive from the mage guild (and Magica Controller passive).

But until you level up your Mage Guild all the way, it makes sens to use Power Surge.

DjKahun

sluice wrote: »

I, too prefer Structured Entropy because of the Might of guild passive from the mage guild (and Magica Controller passive).

But until you level up your Mage Guild all the way, it makes sens to use Power Surge.

Might have to go lorebook hunting then lol

Xael

DjKahun wrote: »

This has probably been discussed many of times but I just can not make my mind up which one to use.. I have been using Power Surge most of the time as it's just less effort and I don't need to cast it on an enemy to use it and I get the sorcerer passive but then structured entropy is good too giving u regen etc so yeah can't decide what are your views guys?

@DjKahun
Are we talking PvP?
You can apply Surge from Sneak and to me that makes it better. Moreover the heals (immediate heals 40% of damage done) from Power Surge are WAY better than the meager ticks SE provides over time.

SE has 8% health but to me it's just not worth it. I would rather be able to use my buff whenever I want and get decent heals while blowing *** up.

If you are rocking Magelight (and you should be) just toggle it for MotG. You don't need SE for it.

DjKahun

Xael wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

This has probably been discussed many of times but I just can not make my mind up which one to use.. I have been using Power Surge most of the time as it's just less effort and I don't need to cast it on an enemy to use it and I get the sorcerer passive but then structured entropy is good too giving u regen etc so yeah can't decide what are your views guys?

@DjKahun
Are we talking PvP?
You can apply Surge from Sneak and to me that makes it better. Moreover the heals (immediate heals 40% of damage done) from Power Surge are WAY better than the meager ticks SE provides over time.

SE has 8% health but to me it's just not worth it. I would rather be able to use my buff whenever I want and get decent heals while blowing *** up.

If you are rocking Magelight (and you should be) just toggle it for MotG. You don't need SE for it.

Of course we are talking PVP it's in pvp section of the forum and nope don't rock Magelight got no spare slot for it, and I would need it to stay up constantly, I switch my bars all the time so it would be no good for me so it means if I needed to have Magelight I would need to sacrifice 2 slots and yeah that's the reason I found surge better is being able to use while in sneak and just surprise them with crystal frags

Tankqull

Hyssia wrote: »

Structured Entropy, definitely.

Power Surge could be better in 1vX / XvX depending on your build.

e:

keep it on mainbar

powersurge off bar, magelight main bar get rid of entropy mage light got buffed to oblivion.

DjKahun wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

This has probably been discussed many of times but I just can not make my mind up which one to use.. I have been using Power Surge most of the time as it's just less effort and I don't need to cast it on an enemy to use it and I get the sorcerer passive but then structured entropy is good too giving u regen etc so yeah can't decide what are your views guys?

@DjKahun
Are we talking PvP?
You can apply Surge from Sneak and to me that makes it better. Moreover the heals (immediate heals 40% of damage done) from Power Surge are WAY better than the meager ticks SE provides over time.

SE has 8% health but to me it's just not worth it. I would rather be able to use my buff whenever I want and get decent heals while blowing *** up.

If you are rocking Magelight (and you should be) just toggle it for MotG. You don't need SE for it.

Of course we are talking PVP it's in pvp section of the forum and nope don't rock Magelight got no spare slot for it, and I would need it to stay up constantly, I switch my bars all the time so it would be no good for me so it means if I needed to have Magelight I would need to sacrifice 2 slots and yeah that's the reason I found surge better is being able to use while in sneak and just surprise them with crystal frags

nope its no longer a toggle (per se)
+ crit for slotting it (like evil/camo hunter)
+ 7% magica for sloting it
+ 2% magicareg for slotting it
+ might of the guild by activating it
+ stealth detection by activating it
+ stealth/cloak/invis lockout for 3 sec on detected targets

DjKahun

Tankqull wrote: »

Hyssia wrote: »

Structured Entropy, definitely.

Power Surge could be better in 1vX / XvX depending on your build.

e:

keep it on mainbar

powersurge off bar, magelight main bar get rid of entropy mage light got buffed to oblivion.

DjKahun wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

This has probably been discussed many of times but I just can not make my mind up which one to use.. I have been using Power Surge most of the time as it's just less effort and I don't need to cast it on an enemy to use it and I get the sorcerer passive but then structured entropy is good too giving u regen etc so yeah can't decide what are your views guys?

@DjKahun
Are we talking PvP?
You can apply Surge from Sneak and to me that makes it better. Moreover the heals (immediate heals 40% of damage done) from Power Surge are WAY better than the meager ticks SE provides over time.

SE has 8% health but to me it's just not worth it. I would rather be able to use my buff whenever I want and get decent heals while blowing *** up.

If you are rocking Magelight (and you should be) just toggle it for MotG. You don't need SE for it.

Of course we are talking PVP it's in pvp section of the forum and nope don't rock Magelight got no spare slot for it, and I would need it to stay up constantly, I switch my bars all the time so it would be no good for me so it means if I needed to have Magelight I would need to sacrifice 2 slots and yeah that's the reason I found surge better is being able to use while in sneak and just surprise them with crystal frags

nope its no longer a toggle (per se)
+ crit for slotting it (like evil/camo hunter)
+ 7% magica for sloting it
+ 2% magicareg for slotting it
+ might of the guild by activating it
+ stealth detection by activating it
+ stealth/cloak/invis lockout for 3 sec on detected targets

Is this Thieves Guild update?

Tankqull

DjKahun wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Hyssia wrote: »

Structured Entropy, definitely.

Power Surge could be better in 1vX / XvX depending on your build.

e:

keep it on mainbar

powersurge off bar, magelight main bar get rid of entropy mage light got buffed to oblivion.

DjKahun wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

This has probably been discussed many of times but I just can not make my mind up which one to use.. I have been using Power Surge most of the time as it's just less effort and I don't need to cast it on an enemy to use it and I get the sorcerer passive but then structured entropy is good too giving u regen etc so yeah can't decide what are your views guys?

@DjKahun
Are we talking PvP?
You can apply Surge from Sneak and to me that makes it better. Moreover the heals (immediate heals 40% of damage done) from Power Surge are WAY better than the meager ticks SE provides over time.

SE has 8% health but to me it's just not worth it. I would rather be able to use my buff whenever I want and get decent heals while blowing *** up.

If you are rocking Magelight (and you should be) just toggle it for MotG. You don't need SE for it.

Of course we are talking PVP it's in pvp section of the forum and nope don't rock Magelight got no spare slot for it, and I would need it to stay up constantly, I switch my bars all the time so it would be no good for me so it means if I needed to have Magelight I would need to sacrifice 2 slots and yeah that's the reason I found surge better is being able to use while in sneak and just surprise them with crystal frags

nope its no longer a toggle (per se)
+ crit for slotting it (like evil/camo hunter)
+ 7% magica for sloting it
+ 2% magicareg for slotting it
+ might of the guild by activating it
+ stealth detection by activating it
+ stealth/cloak/invis lockout for 3 sec on detected targets

Is this Thieves Guild update?

jep

DjKahun

Tankqull wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Hyssia wrote: »

Structured Entropy, definitely.

Power Surge could be better in 1vX / XvX depending on your build.

e:

keep it on mainbar

powersurge off bar, magelight main bar get rid of entropy mage light got buffed to oblivion.

DjKahun wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

This has probably been discussed many of times but I just can not make my mind up which one to use.. I have been using Power Surge most of the time as it's just less effort and I don't need to cast it on an enemy to use it and I get the sorcerer passive but then structured entropy is good too giving u regen etc so yeah can't decide what are your views guys?

@DjKahun
Are we talking PvP?
You can apply Surge from Sneak and to me that makes it better. Moreover the heals (immediate heals 40% of damage done) from Power Surge are WAY better than the meager ticks SE provides over time.

SE has 8% health but to me it's just not worth it. I would rather be able to use my buff whenever I want and get decent heals while blowing *** up.

If you are rocking Magelight (and you should be) just toggle it for MotG. You don't need SE for it.

Of course we are talking PVP it's in pvp section of the forum and nope don't rock Magelight got no spare slot for it, and I would need it to stay up constantly, I switch my bars all the time so it would be no good for me so it means if I needed to have Magelight I would need to sacrifice 2 slots and yeah that's the reason I found surge better is being able to use while in sneak and just surprise them with crystal frags

nope its no longer a toggle (per se)
+ crit for slotting it (like evil/camo hunter)
+ 7% magica for sloting it
+ 2% magicareg for slotting it
+ might of the guild by activating it
+ stealth detection by activating it
+ stealth/cloak/invis lockout for 3 sec on detected targets

Is this Thieves Guild update?

jep

Might consider it once the update comes out but will be hard choice in choosing what skill to replace it with..

Tankqull

its obviously entropy

DjKahun

Tankqull wrote: »

its obviously entropy

I don't use entropy..

bar 1 dw

endless fury
velicious curse
crystal frags
trapping webs(magicka det soon)
streak

bar 2 resto
healing ward
hardened ward
harness magicka
deadric minefield
power surge

Tankqull

i would switch streak and harness and replace harness by mage light.
and i replaced deadric mines with the other morph now.

sluice

DjKahun wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I, too prefer Structured Entropy because of the Might of guild passive from the mage guild (and Magica Controller passive).

But until you level up your Mage Guild all the way, it makes sens to use Power Surge.

Might have to go lorebook hunting then lol

Honestly it's a huge pain to do. But in the end, if you have the motivation for it, it's well worth it!

For instance, on my first bar I slot Structured Entropy and Ice Comet.
With all the mage's guild passives, it gives me:
-Increased Max Magica by 4% (From Magica Controller)
-Incease Magica regen by 4% (From Magica Controller)
-Health increased by 8% (From Structured Entropy)

And as already mentioned earlier, with Might of the guild, The next spell you cast after Structured Entropy, gives x1.44 more damage.

DjKahun wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

its obviously entropy

I don't use entropy..

bar 1 dw

endless fury
velicious curse
crystal frags
trapping webs(magicka det soon)
streak

bar 2 resto
healing ward
hardened ward
harness magicka
deadric mines
power surge

How about putting Streak on your second bar.. I run a similar setup, and I'm very comfortable with Streak on my second bar.. Especially since I swap bar so often, keeping shield up is more important than going in for the kill, in my opinion.

Bar 1 (Offensive)
Endless Fury
Velocious Curse
Crystal Frags
trapping webs(magicka det soon)
Structured Entropy

Bar 2 (Defensive)
Healing Ward
Hardened Ward
Harness Magicka
Daedric Mines Minefield
Streak

In fact I run that exact setup, the only difference is Until I have Magica Detonation, I use Crushing Shock.
Also I often swap Daedric Minefield for Restraining Prison or Mutagen depending on the situation. Thought Daedric Mines is my favorite sorcerer skill.... I just can't remove any of the shield or Streak (obviously)


EDIT: typos

DjKahun

Tankqull wrote: »

i would switch streak and harness and replace harness by mage light.
and i replaced deadric mines with the other morph now.

Now my magicka sustain aint that great as im all spell power so it would hurt my sustain quite a lot replacing harness with magelight when fighting against a magicka user. & you mean daedric tomb? after pts update? what's it like? insta cast + distance sounds too good shame it's only 3 mines..

sluice wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I, too prefer Structured Entropy because of the Might of guild passive from the mage guild (and Magica Controller passive).

But until you level up your Mage Guild all the way, it makes sens to use Power Surge.

Might have to go lorebook hunting then lol

Honestly it's a huge pain to do. But in the end, if you have the motivation for it, it's well worth it!

For instance, on my first bar I slot Structured Entropy and Ice Comet.
With all the mage's guild passives, it gives me:
-Increased Max Magica by 4% (From Magica Controller)
-Incease Magica regen by 4% (From Magica Controller)
-Health increased by 8% (From Structured Entropy)

And as already mentioned earlier, with Might of the guild, The next spell you cast after Structured Entropy, gives x1.44 more damage.

DjKahun wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

its obviously entropy

I don't use entropy..

bar 1 dw

endless fury
velicious curse
crystal frags
trapping webs(magicka det soon)
streak

bar 2 resto
healing ward
hardened ward
harness magicka
deadric mines
power surge

How about putting Streak on your second bar.. I run a similar setup, and I'm very comfortable with Streak on my second bar.. Especially since I swap bar so often, keeping shield up is more important than going in for the kill, in my opinion.

Bar 1 (Offensive)
Endless Fury
Velocious Curse
Crystal Frags
trapping webs(magicka det soon)
Structured Entropy

Bar 2 (Defensive)
Healing Ward
Hardened Ward
Harness Magicka
Daedric Mines Minefield
Streak

In fact I run that exact setup, the only difference is Until I have Magica Detonation, I use Crushing Shock.
Also I often swap Daedric Minefield for Restraining Prison or Mutagen depending on the situation. Thought Daedric Mines is my favorite sorcerer skill.... I just can't remove any of the shield or Streak (obviously)


EDIT: typos

Yeah sorry I did mean minefield.. xD I mean I rather keep surge instead of entropy & I do have to say i'm lazy and not much of a pve player so i will need a lot of motivation to go lorebook hunting