MAGICKA DK HYPE!!!

Jules

So the servers are down now and our long awaited thieves guild patch is FINALLY HERE!! IT'S LIKE CHRISTMAS. Waiting for this patch is a lot like the excitement of being a kid and being told to go to sleep or Santa won't come. Between nirnhoned in 1.6 and the sadness and despair of the IC patch, magicka DK has been waiting about a year for this moment so GET HYPED! When we wake up, Wrobel will have gifted us with many buffs and everything will be different! So here is my inappropriately timed March Christmas ode to Magicka DK.





You better watch out
You better not cloak
Better not pout cause we're coming to smoke
All those pesky nightblades and sorcs

Wrobel's making a list
He's checking it twice
Gonna find out who to nerf and who's nice
Magicka DK is coming to town

We'll see you when you're stealthing
Inner light will make it cake
We'll know if you're a new reroll
So get good for goodness sake!

Ooh you better watch out
You better not cloak
Better not pout
Cuz burning embers is dope
Magicka DK is coming to town

We're making a list
And checking it twice
Gonna find gankers, make em pay the price
Magicka DK is coming to town

We'll see you when your frag procs
And our wings will make you cry
We'll drain you of your stamina
Whip and nay nay till you DIE

Ooh you better watch out
You better not cloak
Better not frag cause that shhh is a joke
Magicka DK is coming to town





MAGICKA DK HYPE!




Jules




DK Changes in Thieves guild patch

KenaPKK

_Chaos

lol @ people thinking it's going to be any more viable for solo this patch.
It was already decent for group and small scale last patch, so I'm really not seeing why all the hype?

Sharee

The only thing im still worried about is the interaction between fasalla and volatile armor. Other than that, awesome

DKsUnite

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

lol @ people thinking it's going to be any more viable for solo this patch.

^ this. It will perform the exact same as it is already with only inhale being a better heal and more damage.

Bashev

Sharee wrote: »

The only thing im still worried about is the interaction between fasalla and volatile armor. Other than that, awesome

You can also add the reflective scales to the list. 2 of the main defensive DK skills will be affected by this set. Also DKs have 3 skills which heals on damage..... I still think that for small scale and solo magicka NBs and Sorcs will have great advantage. Target the squishiest kill explode retreat.

Jules

DKsUnite wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

lol @ people thinking it's going to be any more viable for solo this patch.

^ this. It will perform the exact same as it is already with only inhale being a better heal and more damage.

The amazing things I've seen you do on your light armor dk already in this patch and the promise of next patch's inhale, reduction in standard cost, self buffing major sorcery, heal from burning embers just seems to be at odds with this quote to me.

But suit yourselves. Be debby downers.

RoamingRiverElk

Bashev wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

The only thing im still worried about is the interaction between fasalla and volatile armor. Other than that, awesome

You can also add the reflective scales to the list. 2 of the main defensive DK skills will be affected by this set. Also DKs have 3 skills which heals on damage..... I still think that for small scale and solo magicka NBs and Sorcs will have great advantage.

I still don't think magicka DK is good for solo or groups of 2 or 3. The healing is really lacking when outnumbered, even if no one is using Fasalla. Just stay out of the magicka DKs reach, and the DK can't rely on Inhale for heals. Scales provide limited protection and now they were nerfed since Meteor will no longer be reflectable. Burning Embers gives some healing, but requires the DK to have something to hit, and it's not going to be enough if you try to spam and you have a lot of incoming damage - compare it to Hardened Ward for example. If you're not a tank, Dragon Blood is not worth using. If you use resto staff for healing, you can't block effectively while you're using it, so you'll be vulnerable to incoming damage while you're on that bar (and your little stamina will drain if you try to block nevertheless)... precisely when you don't want to be vulnerable, because you needed to heal in the first place. Clouding Swarm was nerfed. Devouring Swarm will be ok if the enemies are dumb enough to stay in your aoe. But that's conditional of them... Dragon Leap still can't be activated when you're rooted, so better hope you have GREAT stamina management as magicka DK so you can perform a dodge roll when you really need to activate that ultimate. Magma Armor is still expensive. Also, better hope that you have enough HP and a nice damage shield on when you get that high damage meteor coming to you while outnumbered.

Also, speaking of vampirism, which used to really help magicka DKs... People will still do a ton of damage to you if you're a vampire, but now you also get to enjoy being on the receiving end of even higher damage builds due to the new sets available, and if you choose to use Elusive Mist, your speed was just nerfed from 40% to 30%. The Clouding Swarm nerf I already mentioned...

I feel like the "successful" magicka DK builds for group sizes from 1 to 3 will still be glass cannons that can be tanky when the enemies refuse to move out of the DK's aoe AND don't have enough burst damage - i.e. when the enemies are pretty nooby.

I've asked a couple of people why one should choose a Magicka DK for duoing over some other class/build. "Nostalgia", was what one previously very prominent EU magicka DK answered.

In bigger groups, sure, magicka DK will be totally viable, but I would say it already was even in this previous patch. Now it will just be stronger in big group fights.

So yay, got some buffs. Will it be enough for the kind of PvP I'd like to do? Probably not enough, I think that magicka DK performance will depend too much on the noobiness of the enemies compared to, say, magicka sorc in (very) small group outnumbered type of situations.

DKsUnite

Jules wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

lol @ people thinking it's going to be any more viable for solo this patch.

^ this. It will perform the exact same as it is already with only inhale being a better heal and more damage.

The amazing things I've seen you do on your light armor dk already in this patch and the promise of next patch's inhale, reduction in standard cost, self buffing major sorcery, heal from burning embers just seems to be at odds with this quote to me.

But suit yourselves. Be debby downers.

thats the thing though, only if you know how to play mDK properly and smartly will you see results. It's not gonna be as easy to pick up as everyone is thinking.

Yes group wise banner cost reduction is gonna be awesome, i still will always run entropy > molten weps because of the health bonus but yes its a nice boost for group play again. I feel burning embers will be impossible to manage with more then 2 beating on you. It is ideal for duels though.

I mean i know i will great with mDK thanks to phys dmg reduction and unification of the dmg types. But i was doing fine in this patch without them. I just think people are over hyping it and think its gonna be like 1.5 or 1.6 again.

Im all for more mDKs, just dont think it will be what everyone thinks it to be.

Tomato

I'm sorry but next to nothing will change class wise with this DLC. Magicka sorcs and stamina nightblades will still own

Pain In The Axe

Time for all the people who quit mag dk to go back to it again
The real Dk's won't have to change their build or class however, they all toughed out 1.7. Respect to all my mag DK brothers and sisters.

Etaniel

DKsUnite wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

lol @ people thinking it's going to be any more viable for solo this patch.

^ this. It will perform the exact same as it is already with only inhale being a better heal and more damage.

The amazing things I've seen you do on your light armor dk already in this patch and the promise of next patch's inhale, reduction in standard cost, self buffing major sorcery, heal from burning embers just seems to be at odds with this quote to me.

But suit yourselves. Be debby downers.

thats the thing though, only if you know how to play mDK properly and smartly will you see results. It's not gonna be as easy to pick up as everyone is thinking.

Yes group wise banner cost reduction is gonna be awesome, i still will always run entropy > molten weps because of the health bonus but yes its a nice boost for group play again. I feel burning embers will be impossible to manage with more then 2 beating on you. It is ideal for duels though.

I mean i know i will great with mDK thanks to phys dmg reduction and unification of the dmg types. But i was doing fine in this patch without them. I just think people are over hyping it and think its gonna be like 1.5 or 1.6 again.

Im all for more mDKs, just dont think it will be what everyone thinks it to be.

I completely agree with you there, I think people are over hyping it. Still, the changes are welcome and I think we'll a bit more mDks running around for a change

Bashev

Etaniel wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

lol @ people thinking it's going to be any more viable for solo this patch.

^ this. It will perform the exact same as it is already with only inhale being a better heal and more damage.

The amazing things I've seen you do on your light armor dk already in this patch and the promise of next patch's inhale, reduction in standard cost, self buffing major sorcery, heal from burning embers just seems to be at odds with this quote to me.

But suit yourselves. Be debby downers.

thats the thing though, only if you know how to play mDK properly and smartly will you see results. It's not gonna be as easy to pick up as everyone is thinking.

Yes group wise banner cost reduction is gonna be awesome, i still will always run entropy > molten weps because of the health bonus but yes its a nice boost for group play again. I feel burning embers will be impossible to manage with more then 2 beating on you. It is ideal for duels though.

I mean i know i will great with mDK thanks to phys dmg reduction and unification of the dmg types. But i was doing fine in this patch without them. I just think people are over hyping it and think its gonna be like 1.5 or 1.6 again.

Im all for more mDKs, just dont think it will be what everyone thinks it to be.

I completely agree with you there, I think people are over hyping it. Still, the changes are welcome and I think we'll a bit more mDks running around for a change

Yep. Most of the people tested DKs in duels which is not open world and magicka DKs perform really well. Also they see the new sets coming and they plan builds based on them but they do not reallize that the other classes have access to these sets too and they (magicka sorc and magicka NM) synergize better with these sets than DKs. Though in groups 10+ Magicka DKs will be awesome.

Bfish22090

Gretchen, stop trying to make Magicka DK happen! Its not going to happen!

DKsUnite

I prefer pessimistic penny Btw Jules

Caza99

DKsUnite wrote: »

I prefer pessimistic penny Btw Jules

Negative Nancy?

Ishammael

Still need miss chance on Cinder Storm and Dragon Blood fixed. If that happens I'll get hyped.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Ishammael wrote: »

Still need miss chance on Cinder Storm and Dragon Blood fixed. If that happens I'll get hyped.

Yeah, hpye train is more like a hype handcar at the moment, if you're looking at the whole picture.

Nice poem though

Sharee

Bashev wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

The only thing im still worried about is the interaction between fasalla and volatile armor. Other than that, awesome

You can also add the reflective scales to the list. 2 of the main defensive DK skills will be affected by this set. Also DKs have 3 skills which heals on damage..... I still think that for small scale and solo magicka NBs and Sorcs will have great advantage. Target the squishiest kill explode retreat.

Scales are relatively minor in this context compared to a skill that is active on you for 20 seconds and you have no way to cancel it so you can heal when attacked by a fasalla user. The only saving grace is the fact that you have to sacrifice a lot of damage to get that 5-piece bonus(health/health/healing rec. instead of ex. magicka/spelldamage/spellcrit should have a noticeable effect on damage output).

As for the heal-on-damage, i think maybe that's why embers were given such a strong heal, to compensate for the fact it is only a reliable on-demand heal if you hit someone.

frozywozy

The problem that bother me with magicka DK is the fact that we still need to slot alot of utility and defensive abilities to be able to survive, giving no room to our main source of damage, DoT abilities, that we need to stack to make it work.

Stam nightblades or magicka sorcs can easily slot 3 or 4 damaging abilities without suffering too much. As a magicka DK, I can barely slot more than two damaging abilities. I was hoping that with this patch I could slot maybe molten whip, engulfing flames, burning embers, talons and erruption in small scale but that won't be possible once again.

Crown

frozywozy wrote: »

I was hoping that with this patch I could slot maybe molten whip, engulfing flames, burning embers, talons and erruption in small scale but that won't be possible once again.

Or you could change your play style.

RobboEU

Crown wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I was hoping that with this patch I could slot maybe molten whip, engulfing flames, burning embers, talons and erruption in small scale but that won't be possible once again.

Or you could change your play style.

and join crowns group of 24

caeliusstarbreaker

Caza99 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I prefer pessimistic penny Btw Jules

Negative Nancy?

Pissy Phil

Rva_Kun

Heh. Funny thread.

_Chaos

Crown wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I was hoping that with this patch I could slot maybe molten whip, engulfing flames, burning embers, talons and erruption in small scale but that won't be possible once again.

Or you could change your play style.

What class DPS skills should he be changing to? Go stick and be worse ranged DPS than any other class?

Enlighten me on this @Crown

blabafat

since it's christmas...are there cookies... :O

Crown

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I was hoping that with this patch I could slot maybe molten whip, engulfing flames, burning embers, talons and erruption in small scale but that won't be possible once again.

Or you could change your play style.

What class DPS skills should he be changing to? Go stick and be worse ranged DPS than any other class? Enlighten me on this @Crown

I have my NB and my Templar builds set, but have the least play time on PTS with my DK. There are a lot of people who are a lot better DKs than I am who I'm sure will figure things out very quickly. Wait and see.

It's one thing to say, "that won't be possible". It's another to say, "that won't be possible if I want to stand in the middle of 10 opponents and soak damage for 30 seconds then run away and actually escape while still having a chance to kill someone like I used to with wrecking blow spam". He most likely meant the latter.

Moglijuana

I'm pumped, literally all I need to do well solo is a more reliable (consistent) heal, and some physical damage mitigation...BOTH are coming >=)

_Chaos

Crown wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I was hoping that with this patch I could slot maybe molten whip, engulfing flames, burning embers, talons and erruption in small scale but that won't be possible once again.

Or you could change your play style.

What class DPS skills should he be changing to? Go stick and be worse ranged DPS than any other class? Enlighten me on this @Crown

I have my NB and my Templar builds set, but have the least play time on PTS with my DK. There are a lot of people who are a lot better DKs than I am who I'm sure will figure things out very quickly. Wait and see.

It's one thing to say, "that won't be possible". It's another to say, "that won't be possible if I want to stand in the middle of 10 opponents and soak damage for 30 seconds then run away and actually escape while still having a chance to kill someone like I used to with wrecking blow spam". He most likely meant the latter.

Where out of that post did you get that he wanted to stand in the middle of enemies tanking? I feel as though I just got in the middle of a personal job instead of mechanical debate, my bad guys!

Still can't wait to go back mDK, damn you Bulb for forcing me into these stam shenanigans in the first place!

Crown

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

I feel as though I just got in the middle of a personal job instead of mechanical debate, my bad guys!

Here's the simple version: He listed 5 damage skills. There are 10 slots available on your bars. If you can't survive with 5 offence and 5 defence skills available, perhaps you should change your play style.

The bars that I expect to use when starting out actually have six offence, three defence and one utility spell. We'll see over the first few days how things go.

Forestd16b14_ESO

First off over hypeing the only buffs DKs got was to DOT damage.

Second the changes and changes to DKs are actually hurting stamina base DKs you know tanks.

Third off you magicka users enjoy while you can cause U10 the dark brotherhood update stamina users are getting loved. So enjoy the game being Elder Skirts Online again while you can won't last a year like it did last time.