Major Expedition class discrimination?

Reevster · March 2016

Explain to me why DK and Templars don't have some form of this buff?

Sorc and NBs have this buff/morph , seems unfair and discriminatory to only have 2 classes with this buff.

I have a Magic DK with staff that can only sprint . Dont PvP so cant get rapid maneuver, and DW cloak only works with 2 swords.

Maybe I am missing something, but as a Staff wielding Magic DK I just cant keep up!

xellink · March 2016

You don't need to pvp to get rapid manoeuvre. Just enter cyrodiil and complete the tutorial

Turelus · March 2016

Not all classes were designed to be equal or have the same abilities.

If you want to have this buff look for a means outside of your class or play a class with it. As a counter Nightblade has no burst heal or shields by class skills alone.

Tryxus · March 2016

Use Well Fitted

There's your DK/Templar Mobility

Reevster · March 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Not all classes were designed to be equal or have the same abilities.

If you want to have this buff look for a means outside of your class or play a class with it. As a counter Nightblade has no burst heal or shields by class skills alone.

I do play all other classes, but atm i am playing my magic DK with staff.... which is why i made this post.

Alcast · March 2016

Diversity by Wrobel

Reevster · March 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Use Well Fitted

There's your DK/Templar Mobility

That doesn't increase sprinting speed only lowers the sta cost.

Reevster · March 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Diversity by Wrobel

Blah...who is this Wrobell guy?

Buffler · March 2016

So basically you think all classes should have the exact same buffs/abilities

What a fun game that would be

Reevster · March 2016

Buffler wrote: »

So basically you think all classes should have the exact same buffs/abilities

What a fun game that would be

Nope, where did I say that? Major expedition in a 40 percent movement buff , has nothing to do with combat etc, so why do only two classes have it in their skill line?

Buffler · March 2016

Reevster wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

So basically you think all classes should have the exact same buffs/abilities

What a fun game that would be

Nope, where did I say that? Major expedition in a 40 percent movement buff , has nothing to do with combat etc, so why do only two classes have it in their skill line?

As it would be pointless if all classes had same buffs/abilities as each other

Moonshadow66 · March 2016

I equiped dual wield daggers on my DK and use Quick Cloak (Blade Cloak morph). She's fast as a NB or a Sorcerer, however only for 5 seconds. But that's something

Reevster · March 2016

Buffler wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

So basically you think all classes should have the exact same buffs/abilities

What a fun game that would be

Nope, where did I say that? Major expedition in a 40 percent movement buff , has nothing to do with combat etc, so why do only two classes have it in their skill line?

As it would be pointless if all classes had same buffs/abilities as each other

Are you trolling?

Reevster · March 2016

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

I equiped dual wield daggers on my DK and use Quick Cloak (Blade Cloak morph). She's fast as a NB or a Sorcerer, however only for 5 seconds. But that's something

Ya I know but I use a staff as pointed out in my first post, cant use blade cloak with a staff, if your AoE grinding with destruction staff skills. Which is where the problem is, mobs are dead before you get to them if there are other players grinding the same area.

Buffler · March 2016

Reevster wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

So basically you think all classes should have the exact same buffs/abilities

What a fun game that would be

Nope, where did I say that? Major expedition in a 40 percent movement buff , has nothing to do with combat etc, so why do only two classes have it in their skill line?

As it would be pointless if all classes had same buffs/abilities as each other

Buffler wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

So basically you think all classes should have the exact same buffs/abilities

What a fun game that would be

Nope, where did I say that? Major expedition in a 40 percent movement buff , has nothing to do with combat etc, so why do only two classes have it in their skill line?

As it would be pointless if all classes had same buffs/abilities as each other

Are you trolling?

No, you are moaning that you want a buff that other 2 classes have, Im saying thats what makes classes different.

If it irks you that much just enter cyrodiil, you dont even need to do tutorial and you get rapid manaevours.

Kozer · March 2016

Just enter Cyrodil once and complete the tutorial. That will give you the spped buff.

Ra'Shtar · March 2016

Next patch when DK use chains they gain major expedition

Reevster · March 2016

Buffler wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

So basically you think all classes should have the exact same buffs/abilities

What a fun game that would be

Nope, where did I say that? Major expedition in a 40 percent movement buff , has nothing to do with combat etc, so why do only two classes have it in their skill line?

As it would be pointless if all classes had same buffs/abilities as each other

Buffler wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

So basically you think all classes should have the exact same buffs/abilities

What a fun game that would be

Nope, where did I say that? Major expedition in a 40 percent movement buff , has nothing to do with combat etc, so why do only two classes have it in their skill line?

As it would be pointless if all classes had same buffs/abilities as each other

Are you trolling?

No, you are moaning that you want a buff that other 2 classes have, Im saying thats what makes classes different.

If it irks you that much just enter cyrodiil, you dont even need to do tutorial and you get rapid manaevours.

I refuse to step foot in a PvP area, I will never have rapid maneuverer. Well j/k lol, but my point is still valid, all class should have this skill in their skill tree , its non combat , there is no good reason its not there.

DemonDruaga · March 2016

You can skip the tutorial by picking the right choice... so get rapid in less than a minute after entering cyrodiil... most rewarding quest in the game

Reevster · March 2016

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Next patch when DK use chains they gain major expedition

True lol but not quite the same thing ^^

Reevster · March 2016

rapid maneuver is stam based skill.... not so good with magic based toon.

So the other question is why is rapid maneuver only stam based? More discrimination against magic DK staff users, I don't have enough stam and regen to keep RM up, if it was magic based i could.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2016

In theory, some classes have drawbacks and other tradeoffs. DK and Templar were supposed to be more tanky so that they could stand their ground and defend houses and stuff. However, Mobility is still highly effective in PvP while stationary defenses (such as block, blinding flashes, cinder storm) have been nerfed to hell.

I understand the desire for class diversity but if the diversity becomes "some classes are good at PvP while others are supposed to struggle," then that isn't the right kind of diversity.

Its the same argument with stamina morphs. If you deny two classes direct damage stamina morphs, it doesn't create diversity. All four classes have a magicka based projectile. If that didn't kill diversity, then neither will stam whip and crystal punch.

Moonshadow66 · March 2016

Reevster wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

I equiped dual wield daggers on my DK and use Quick Cloak (Blade Cloak morph). She's fast as a NB or a Sorcerer, however only for 5 seconds. But that's something

Ya I know but I use a staff as pointed out in my first post, cant use blade cloak with a staff, if your AoE grinding with destruction staff skills. Which is where the problem is, mobs are dead before you get to them if there are other players grinding the same area.

Oh, I didn't consider that, right. Hm, there's only one way to get faster: potions. You can brew "Potions of Speed", but I can't remember the ingredients at the moment. The disadvantage is that you can't use any other potions (health, for instance) because of the cooldown...
Besides of the DK (which was previously a magicka build with a staff), I also have 2 Templars which are using staves, so I understand what you mean. I was always missing the exact same thing.

But, there's also a funny way to get faster (don't take it too serious lol): switch to either a 2-hander and use Critial Rush, or Sword and Board and use Shielded Assault.. just use the skills even outside of combat, and you'll definitely rush foward in highspeed because of the rats are everywhere, you can't miss^^ If you're lucky, you'll overtake even a Nightblade

ADarklore · March 2016

So in the next update they are reducing Major Expedition from 40% to 30% but buffing actual character Sprint speed by 10%, is that correct? Which means by little Bosmer archer, using Bow's Hasty Retreat, is still going to be like The Flash!

Dubhliam · March 2016

You have:

Rapid Manouver
speed pots
bow passive
Quick Cloak

Stop crying or reroll into something you think is "more OP" because of insignificant things such as Major Expedition.

Btw, the ME buff will now give 30% more speed instead of 40%.
Running will now be 40% faster movement instead of 30%.
Also, Fiery grip and morphs will have ME now.

lathbury · March 2016

dk have access to buffs that other classes dont a nb for instance cant get major brutality as a buff out of combat thier only source is from hitting someone with sap. so they cant pre buff like a dk can. I'll tell you the same as I told that guy use pots or skills from other lines

THEDKEXPERIENCE · March 2016

There are no worse comments on the board than these.

1) I don't have something! It's ZOS's fault.
2) Here are multiple ways to achieve what you want without a major development change in the game.
3) I refuse to do any of them for a petulant reason I won't explain.

Seriously. I've been playing a Templar since launch. There are plenty of ways to get more mobility. Pop a potion or get off your high horse and spend 2 minutes in Cyrodiil. It probably took you longer to type this thread than to get rapid maneuvers.

Everyone shouldn't get a trophy and everyone should not simply be given rapid maneuvers without taking 2 minutes to set foot in Cyrodiil.