prox det stam morph

Lorkhan

why do i need to be a magika user if i want to fight zergs?
proximity detonation and vicious death set are designed for magika users only, cmon
why no prox det stam morph?

Skinzz

Prox det is magic duh. We get caltrops.

Ashamray

Yes, for magicka only. Stop asking for morphs. Differences should be between magicka and stamina, not only green or blue color.

Lorkhan

lol

Ashamray

well... I thought and decided that stamina detonation can be a green bomb that sacrifices all caster's stamina to allies nearby xD

AllPlayAndNoWork

Just....no

danno8

Why have magicka and stamina at all?

Just have one bar called "stamjicka" and let everyone use all skills. Spell power and Weapon power can be combined to just be "power".

There. No more stamina/magicka divide.

Father_X_Zombie

And a magicka morph of steel tornado too!

Also a magicka morph of Wrecking Blow and Snipe!
xD

Solariken

I would hate to see this over-abused garbage skill added to the stam toolkit. Honestly, the game was way more fun without it. At the very least they should add the cast time back into Prox Det so that it's at least use tactically and not spammed in a DPS rotation.

leepalmer95

Because caltraps + vigor.

tonemd

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

Edziu

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

leepalmer95

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

Edziu

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

leepalmer95

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

Edziu

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

yes...with heavy attacks...but its work more from hide, when with deto you have similiry amount of burst dmg like stamina heavy attacks from hide only(*cough*NB's attack from hide*cought* )

I have getting 10k+ heavy attacks with 8k+ SA from hide, when I lokking on my death recap from magica deto I saw 10k-12k deto, almost always ulti, bat swarm 7k+ total or soul tether 10k-12k+ also and or just sap essence spam for max 4k hits xd or 6k+ hit from conceled weapons.

stamina build dont have than much damage from ulties...thanks sick magic dmg...but also the only ulti what you can use on stamina and in channeling time this are only also vamp ulti (worse dmg than on magica build) or...idk lol, I dont know any other goold aoe ulti on stam build to do high dmg over time while spamming normal skills.

leepalmer95

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

yes...with heavy attacks...but its work more from hide, when with deto you have similiry amount of burst dmg like stamina heavy attacks from hide only(*cough*NB's attack from hide*cought* )

I have getting 10k+ heavy attacks with 8k+ SA from hide, when I lokking on my death recap from magica deto I saw 10k-12k deto, almost always ulti, bat swarm 7k+ total or soul tether 10k-12k+ also and or just sap essence spam for max 4k hits xd or 6k+ hit from conceled weapons.

stamina build dont have than much damage from ulties...thanks sick magic dmg...but also the only ulti what you can use on stamina and in channeling time this are only also vamp ulti (worse dmg than on magica build) or...idk lol, I dont know any other goold aoe ulti on stam build to do high dmg over time while spamming normal skills.

Difference between bats on a magicka build and on a stamina build is 25% more dmg assuming they have the same wpn/spell dmg and max stat. Bats is still very good.

Not sure how your being hit so high with magicka skills, have you got any cp in hardy? Do you have any impen on.

Literally bats + steel tornado spam = win everything.

Edziu

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

yes...with heavy attacks...but its work more from hide, when with deto you have similiry amount of burst dmg like stamina heavy attacks from hide only(*cough*NB's attack from hide*cought* )

I have getting 10k+ heavy attacks with 8k+ SA from hide, when I lokking on my death recap from magica deto I saw 10k-12k deto, almost always ulti, bat swarm 7k+ total or soul tether 10k-12k+ also and or just sap essence spam for max 4k hits xd or 6k+ hit from conceled weapons.

stamina build dont have than much damage from ulties...thanks sick magic dmg...but also the only ulti what you can use on stamina and in channeling time this are only also vamp ulti (worse dmg than on magica build) or...idk lol, I dont know any other goold aoe ulti on stam build to do high dmg over time while spamming normal skills.

Difference between bats on a magicka build and on a stamina build is 25% more dmg assuming they have the same wpn/spell dmg and max stat. Bats is still very good.

Not sure how your being hit so high with magicka skills, have you got any cp in hardy? Do you have any impen on.

Literally bats + steel tornado spam = win everything.

hmm, 20% magic resist + 10% crit resist in cp + no impen...and you can with no problem see magica builds with deto lethal combo I...hmm..I just saw mayb eonly 1 guy who was using steel tornado with bats... when I daily see peoples on magica build with deto combo :d
mabye this steel tornado with bats is comparable to deto combos...but its very vvery rare to see this combo when magicas with deto are common incidents

leepalmer95

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

yes...with heavy attacks...but its work more from hide, when with deto you have similiry amount of burst dmg like stamina heavy attacks from hide only(*cough*NB's attack from hide*cought* )

I have getting 10k+ heavy attacks with 8k+ SA from hide, when I lokking on my death recap from magica deto I saw 10k-12k deto, almost always ulti, bat swarm 7k+ total or soul tether 10k-12k+ also and or just sap essence spam for max 4k hits xd or 6k+ hit from conceled weapons.

stamina build dont have than much damage from ulties...thanks sick magic dmg...but also the only ulti what you can use on stamina and in channeling time this are only also vamp ulti (worse dmg than on magica build) or...idk lol, I dont know any other goold aoe ulti on stam build to do high dmg over time while spamming normal skills.

Difference between bats on a magicka build and on a stamina build is 25% more dmg assuming they have the same wpn/spell dmg and max stat. Bats is still very good.

Not sure how your being hit so high with magicka skills, have you got any cp in hardy? Do you have any impen on.

Literally bats + steel tornado spam = win everything.

hmm, 20% magic resist + 10% crit resist in cp + no impen...and you can with no problem see magica builds with deto lethal combo I...hmm..I just saw mayb eonly 1 guy who was using steel tornado with bats... when I daily see peoples on magica build with deto combo :d
mabye this steel tornado with bats is comparable to deto combos...but its very vvery rare to see this combo when magicas with deto are common incidents

The fact you barely have any crit resist is likely why your being hit so hard. Try throw a bit of impen on 4 pieces at least.

If you run with a good pvp guild you'll see bats + steel tornado everywhere, most emp's use it.

Edziu

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

yes...with heavy attacks...but its work more from hide, when with deto you have similiry amount of burst dmg like stamina heavy attacks from hide only(*cough*NB's attack from hide*cought* )

I have getting 10k+ heavy attacks with 8k+ SA from hide, when I lokking on my death recap from magica deto I saw 10k-12k deto, almost always ulti, bat swarm 7k+ total or soul tether 10k-12k+ also and or just sap essence spam for max 4k hits xd or 6k+ hit from conceled weapons.

stamina build dont have than much damage from ulties...thanks sick magic dmg...but also the only ulti what you can use on stamina and in channeling time this are only also vamp ulti (worse dmg than on magica build) or...idk lol, I dont know any other goold aoe ulti on stam build to do high dmg over time while spamming normal skills.

Difference between bats on a magicka build and on a stamina build is 25% more dmg assuming they have the same wpn/spell dmg and max stat. Bats is still very good.

Not sure how your being hit so high with magicka skills, have you got any cp in hardy? Do you have any impen on.

Literally bats + steel tornado spam = win everything.

hmm, 20% magic resist + 10% crit resist in cp + no impen...and you can with no problem see magica builds with deto lethal combo I...hmm..I just saw mayb eonly 1 guy who was using steel tornado with bats... when I daily see peoples on magica build with deto combo :d
mabye this steel tornado with bats is comparable to deto combos...but its very vvery rare to see this combo when magicas with deto are common incidents

The fact you barely have any crit resist is likely why your being hit so hard. Try throw a bit of impen on 4 pieces at least.

If you run with a good pvp guild you'll see bats + steel tornado everywhere, most emp's use it.

more impen, ok, but this not explains why this magica combo hurting me more with magic dmg resist than stamina's combos with no any psyhical resists still

leepalmer95

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

yes...with heavy attacks...but its work more from hide, when with deto you have similiry amount of burst dmg like stamina heavy attacks from hide only(*cough*NB's attack from hide*cought* )

I have getting 10k+ heavy attacks with 8k+ SA from hide, when I lokking on my death recap from magica deto I saw 10k-12k deto, almost always ulti, bat swarm 7k+ total or soul tether 10k-12k+ also and or just sap essence spam for max 4k hits xd or 6k+ hit from conceled weapons.

stamina build dont have than much damage from ulties...thanks sick magic dmg...but also the only ulti what you can use on stamina and in channeling time this are only also vamp ulti (worse dmg than on magica build) or...idk lol, I dont know any other goold aoe ulti on stam build to do high dmg over time while spamming normal skills.

Difference between bats on a magicka build and on a stamina build is 25% more dmg assuming they have the same wpn/spell dmg and max stat. Bats is still very good.

Not sure how your being hit so high with magicka skills, have you got any cp in hardy? Do you have any impen on.

Literally bats + steel tornado spam = win everything.

hmm, 20% magic resist + 10% crit resist in cp + no impen...and you can with no problem see magica builds with deto lethal combo I...hmm..I just saw mayb eonly 1 guy who was using steel tornado with bats... when I daily see peoples on magica build with deto combo :d
mabye this steel tornado with bats is comparable to deto combos...but its very vvery rare to see this combo when magicas with deto are common incidents

The fact you barely have any crit resist is likely why your being hit so hard. Try throw a bit of impen on 4 pieces at least.

If you run with a good pvp guild you'll see bats + steel tornado everywhere, most emp's use it.

more impen, ok, but this not explains why this magica combo hurting me more with magic dmg resist than stamina's combos with no any psyhical resists still

Because proxy takes 8s to go off, while SA is an instant 8k dmg... You can't compare the two

Thats just like saying i've hit people with 16k take flight's

Edziu

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

yes...with heavy attacks...but its work more from hide, when with deto you have similiry amount of burst dmg like stamina heavy attacks from hide only(*cough*NB's attack from hide*cought* )

I have getting 10k+ heavy attacks with 8k+ SA from hide, when I lokking on my death recap from magica deto I saw 10k-12k deto, almost always ulti, bat swarm 7k+ total or soul tether 10k-12k+ also and or just sap essence spam for max 4k hits xd or 6k+ hit from conceled weapons.

stamina build dont have than much damage from ulties...thanks sick magic dmg...but also the only ulti what you can use on stamina and in channeling time this are only also vamp ulti (worse dmg than on magica build) or...idk lol, I dont know any other goold aoe ulti on stam build to do high dmg over time while spamming normal skills.

Difference between bats on a magicka build and on a stamina build is 25% more dmg assuming they have the same wpn/spell dmg and max stat. Bats is still very good.

Not sure how your being hit so high with magicka skills, have you got any cp in hardy? Do you have any impen on.

Literally bats + steel tornado spam = win everything.

hmm, 20% magic resist + 10% crit resist in cp + no impen...and you can with no problem see magica builds with deto lethal combo I...hmm..I just saw mayb eonly 1 guy who was using steel tornado with bats... when I daily see peoples on magica build with deto combo :d
mabye this steel tornado with bats is comparable to deto combos...but its very vvery rare to see this combo when magicas with deto are common incidents

The fact you barely have any crit resist is likely why your being hit so hard. Try throw a bit of impen on 4 pieces at least.

If you run with a good pvp guild you'll see bats + steel tornado everywhere, most emp's use it.

more impen, ok, but this not explains why this magica combo hurting me more with magic dmg resist than stamina's combos with no any psyhical resists still

Because proxy takes 8s to go off, while SA is an instant 8k dmg... You can't compare the two

Thats just like saying i've hit people with 16k take flight's

yee, SA you can spam, ok, but its just this 1 attack per second + maybe 2-4k light attack with no lags
but deto has this one adventage...maybe you must wait these 8 seconds...but when you wait you just need to look on this timer and with good moment BOOM, you can just do this combo...1 skill, 2nd over time skill or powerfull skill, maybe ulti and in this same time this deto what can now finish you, fast burst in 1 sec when on stamina you dont have this burst....for exaple you fighting with templar :P
you hitting him nonstop 1 attack per second and maybe sometimes 2 with good animation cancel, if you dont cc him he will nonstop heal it until dont lose magica for heal or dont get cc and lose stamina
on magica deto combo...you fighing with templar with normal attacking speed like on stamina, but you now taking this good moment with deto and BOOM templar getting minimum 2x more damage in 1 sec than on normal your dps and then you can finish him if he is still alive

leepalmer95

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

yes...with heavy attacks...but its work more from hide, when with deto you have similiry amount of burst dmg like stamina heavy attacks from hide only(*cough*NB's attack from hide*cought* )

I have getting 10k+ heavy attacks with 8k+ SA from hide, when I lokking on my death recap from magica deto I saw 10k-12k deto, almost always ulti, bat swarm 7k+ total or soul tether 10k-12k+ also and or just sap essence spam for max 4k hits xd or 6k+ hit from conceled weapons.

stamina build dont have than much damage from ulties...thanks sick magic dmg...but also the only ulti what you can use on stamina and in channeling time this are only also vamp ulti (worse dmg than on magica build) or...idk lol, I dont know any other goold aoe ulti on stam build to do high dmg over time while spamming normal skills.

Difference between bats on a magicka build and on a stamina build is 25% more dmg assuming they have the same wpn/spell dmg and max stat. Bats is still very good.

Not sure how your being hit so high with magicka skills, have you got any cp in hardy? Do you have any impen on.

Literally bats + steel tornado spam = win everything.

hmm, 20% magic resist + 10% crit resist in cp + no impen...and you can with no problem see magica builds with deto lethal combo I...hmm..I just saw mayb eonly 1 guy who was using steel tornado with bats... when I daily see peoples on magica build with deto combo :d
mabye this steel tornado with bats is comparable to deto combos...but its very vvery rare to see this combo when magicas with deto are common incidents

The fact you barely have any crit resist is likely why your being hit so hard. Try throw a bit of impen on 4 pieces at least.

If you run with a good pvp guild you'll see bats + steel tornado everywhere, most emp's use it.

more impen, ok, but this not explains why this magica combo hurting me more with magic dmg resist than stamina's combos with no any psyhical resists still

Because proxy takes 8s to go off, while SA is an instant 8k dmg... You can't compare the two

Thats just like saying i've hit people with 16k take flight's

yee, SA you can spam, ok, but its just this 1 attack per second + maybe 2-4k light attack with no lags
but deto has this one adventage...maybe you must wait these 8 seconds...but when you wait you just need to look on this timer and with good moment BOOM, you can just do this combo...1 skill, 2nd over time skill or powerfull skill, maybe ulti and in this same time this deto what can now finish you, fast burst in 1 sec when on stamina you dont have this burst....for exaple you fighting with templar :P
you hitting him nonstop 1 attack per second and maybe sometimes 2 with good animation cancel, if you dont cc him he will nonstop heal it until dont lose magica for heal or dont get cc and lose stamina
on magica deto combo...you fighing with templar with normal attacking speed like on stamina, but you now taking this good moment with deto and BOOM templar getting minimum 2x more damage in 1 sec than on normal your dps and then you can finish him if he is still alive

Stamina seems to naturally hit harder than magicka.

Wb/Sa/Snipe etc...

There different types of skills you can't compare them, sure det may hit for around 10k, but so does a wb.

Anyway stamina gets vigor + caltraps while magicka gets det.

Edziu

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

yes...with heavy attacks...but its work more from hide, when with deto you have similiry amount of burst dmg like stamina heavy attacks from hide only(*cough*NB's attack from hide*cought* )

I have getting 10k+ heavy attacks with 8k+ SA from hide, when I lokking on my death recap from magica deto I saw 10k-12k deto, almost always ulti, bat swarm 7k+ total or soul tether 10k-12k+ also and or just sap essence spam for max 4k hits xd or 6k+ hit from conceled weapons.

stamina build dont have than much damage from ulties...thanks sick magic dmg...but also the only ulti what you can use on stamina and in channeling time this are only also vamp ulti (worse dmg than on magica build) or...idk lol, I dont know any other goold aoe ulti on stam build to do high dmg over time while spamming normal skills.

Difference between bats on a magicka build and on a stamina build is 25% more dmg assuming they have the same wpn/spell dmg and max stat. Bats is still very good.

Not sure how your being hit so high with magicka skills, have you got any cp in hardy? Do you have any impen on.

Literally bats + steel tornado spam = win everything.

hmm, 20% magic resist + 10% crit resist in cp + no impen...and you can with no problem see magica builds with deto lethal combo I...hmm..I just saw mayb eonly 1 guy who was using steel tornado with bats... when I daily see peoples on magica build with deto combo :d
mabye this steel tornado with bats is comparable to deto combos...but its very vvery rare to see this combo when magicas with deto are common incidents

The fact you barely have any crit resist is likely why your being hit so hard. Try throw a bit of impen on 4 pieces at least.

If you run with a good pvp guild you'll see bats + steel tornado everywhere, most emp's use it.

more impen, ok, but this not explains why this magica combo hurting me more with magic dmg resist than stamina's combos with no any psyhical resists still

Because proxy takes 8s to go off, while SA is an instant 8k dmg... You can't compare the two

Thats just like saying i've hit people with 16k take flight's

yee, SA you can spam, ok, but its just this 1 attack per second + maybe 2-4k light attack with no lags
but deto has this one adventage...maybe you must wait these 8 seconds...but when you wait you just need to look on this timer and with good moment BOOM, you can just do this combo...1 skill, 2nd over time skill or powerfull skill, maybe ulti and in this same time this deto what can now finish you, fast burst in 1 sec when on stamina you dont have this burst....for exaple you fighting with templar :P
you hitting him nonstop 1 attack per second and maybe sometimes 2 with good animation cancel, if you dont cc him he will nonstop heal it until dont lose magica for heal or dont get cc and lose stamina
on magica deto combo...you fighing with templar with normal attacking speed like on stamina, but you now taking this good moment with deto and BOOM templar getting minimum 2x more damage in 1 sec than on normal your dps and then you can finish him if he is still alive

Stamina seems to naturally hit harder than magicka.

Wb/Sa/Snipe etc...

There different types of skills you can't compare them, sure det may hit for around 10k, but so does a wb.

Anyway stamina gets vigor + caltraps while magicka gets det.

yep, sure, stamina has better damage on normals skills, but if you have control of the situation you have not big problem with stmina burst..yes this hurting, you see it, but you can be well surprised when just magica deto after time will finish you

on stamina you see fixed burst, on magica you can get bigger burst with no always within the expected time just deto with ulti at the same time , you dont know when your opponent will mix deto with ulti at this same time to 1hitt you ;P

caeliusstarbreaker

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

Magic users get the bomb. Stam users get to run away (while slowing the enemy down).

You can't have everything. That's why groups exist.

slowing enemy is uesles if this zerg got rapid...immune to all snares etc, gg
for only single enemy its to much costly on very shor distance for him, gg
deto can hit you for 10k with other skill in this same time, on stamina build you can hit with 2 skillis at this same time to deal insta 17k+ dmg, only with bow its possiblle...but it doesnt matter...bow is bow, you can also make heavy attakc from destro and skip animation with other distance skill :d bow=desto heavy attack with skill

Next patch a zerg won't be able to use rapids.

Any build can have insane burst dmg, magicka or stamina. Also it's not only possible with a bow for stamina builds, anyone can do it, wb + heavy, heavy attack + Sa, You can also Light attack, skill, bash combo. Theres more than one.

I couldn't understand the other half of what you said.

magica det on magica build has this one thing what dont have stamina...more burst in only 1 sec if you wait these 8 seconds

on magica especially on magica nb you can do 1hitting combo with this deto, without hide, on staina you cant, max waht you have on stmaina comobo in 1 sec is only heavy attack with 1 skill. I dont including dots because on nondk stamina buidl you dont have to much and powerfull dots
in last months of paying on cyrodil..I never saw that powerfull combo in 1 sec on stamina than on magica builds with deto

EDIT: and yes...I read pts patch notes and cant wait for this changes with rapid caltrops and bombard more usefull with defending keeps against big zergs with ts

Heavy attack from stealth with bow/dual wield/2h can do insane amount of dmg. A bow dk using heavy from stealth can do 15k dmg on someone with full hp up to 22k dmg the lower the hp gets.

A heavy attack with a Sa from a nb will take somone down to 30%~ hp and with camo on it will kill vamps.

yes...with heavy attacks...but its work more from hide, when with deto you have similiry amount of burst dmg like stamina heavy attacks from hide only(*cough*NB's attack from hide*cought* )

I have getting 10k+ heavy attacks with 8k+ SA from hide, when I lokking on my death recap from magica deto I saw 10k-12k deto, almost always ulti, bat swarm 7k+ total or soul tether 10k-12k+ also and or just sap essence spam for max 4k hits xd or 6k+ hit from conceled weapons.

stamina build dont have than much damage from ulties...thanks sick magic dmg...but also the only ulti what you can use on stamina and in channeling time this are only also vamp ulti (worse dmg than on magica build) or...idk lol, I dont know any other goold aoe ulti on stam build to do high dmg over time while spamming normal skills.

I think you're just comparing stam to magicka nb.

Millerman34n

Olny if I get a Majica vigor!

CatchMeTrolling

No

Lucky28

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

And a magicka morph of steel tornado too!

Also a magicka morph of Wrecking Blow and Snipe!
xD

whats this?. no love for Vigor?.

Astanphaeus

Lorkhan wrote: »

why do i need to be a magika user if i want to fight zergs?
proximity detonation and vicious death set are designed for magika users only, cmon
why no prox det stam morph?

There is a stam morph. It's called Steel Tornado. With this morph you can just keep spamming it too because it doesn't take 8 seconds to go off.

melodeath

prox det>steel tornado> dawn breaker >...> that why.

DHale

So funny, let me tell you about a non secret secret. The Stam morph of prox det is called rally with get this... steel tornado. You can throw in crit surge if you are a sorc siphoning and relentless if you are nightblade. Throw in Camo or evil hunter and and flawless dawn breaker and you will hit more ppl with the most powerful aoe in the game. By the time you get off one prox det I could gave done literally done close to 100 k damage using st. Try pushing steel tornado 8 times just to be conservative whil prox det is cooking. There is no comparison. I play a magic sorc and have prox det. With 44 k magic and four k spell damage I cannot prox det for more damage than my vr 1 Stam nightblade with random armor can do with 2 spins of Steel tornado let alone 8 spins.