Final straw.

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

Sempars wrote: »

120th!!!!!!!!!! I must suck, cause on xbox its hard as hell to even finish it. OH ya, i don't have addons >_>

That's a very silly excuse. There are players who got no-death run on consoles.

Eiagra · February 2016

While I personally do not experience this particular issue -- I don't grind for found equips, mainly because Diablo II destroyed that part of my soul, and I would rather craft my own gear -- I am sympathetic toward those who are frustrated with this.

RNG loot grinds are a very old, very artificial way of padding out content, especially with a Bind on Equip mechanic. We're no longer in the late 90s or early Aughts. I agree with the general mindset of, "You can do better than this, ZOS."

For the most part, at least for non-endgame content, ESO has given me the impression of a game that tries to respect the time that players have invested, not forcing them to loop and grind for that one single piece of equipment that they need for their build. Let's not start disrespecting the players' time in endgame.

Volkodav · February 2016

NoS_smoke wrote: »

Age old tale I know but this is ridiculous. I'm coming up on my 120th VMA run and still no 2h. Not from weekly rewards and not one in any of my runs. I have lost so much time and my life doing content that was initially fun but now just feels like a never ending time suck. I did the same thing for Engine guardian shoulders and never got those. There has to be some other way...I have friends who got both the needed Maelstrom weapons in 10 runs. Yet I'm well over 100. So yeah man, I just don't get it. I feel like if you do the work you should get rewarded. I can no longer obtain cps and I don't need 20 staffs and 1h+s maelstrom weapons so am I missing something here. Or is this just how the game is suppose to work...I no this is on deaf ears I just had to vent man. So upset right now.

So how is this the final straw,as in the title?
Are you leaving or something?

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

reften wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

reften wrote: »

NoS_smoke wrote: »

Age old tale I know but this is ridiculous. I'm coming up on my 120th VMA run and still no 2h. Not from weekly rewards and not one in any of my runs. I have lost so much time and my life doing content that was initially fun but now just feels like a never ending time suck. I did the same thing for Engine guardian shoulders and never got those. There has to be some other way...I have friends who got both the needed Maelstrom weapons in 10 runs. Yet I'm well over 100. So yeah man, I just don't get it. I feel like if you do the work you should get rewarded. I can no longer obtain cps and I don't need 20 staffs and 1h+s maelstrom weapons so am I missing something here. Or is this just how the game is suppose to work...I no this is on deaf ears I just had to vent man. So upset right now.

So lets say you get the 2H on the first try. Now you have everything you ever wanted in this game. You just play for the content....and you quickly get bored and leave.

Zos thinks that hanging the carrot out front of people will keep them around longer, on average, then giving everyone the opportunity to easily get all the best stuff.

This is exactly what happens with rng tho. Some people get the items very quickly because... rng. Some grind for months and get nothing because... rng. As you said yourself people from both these groups are likely to pack their things and go. A token system on the other hand doesnt have that problem. Devs control item prices and the number of tokens you get for each run. They can make getting the best stuff take as long as they want.

Heck, there are ways to keep the rng but cap it, thus preventing people from getting screwed by it. Have an NPC who will exchange uneeded drops for desired ones. Lets say 5 of those 'junk' items for a random other item, 10 for an item of a selected type (sword, dagger, helmet, etc.) but with random traits, 20 for an item of a selected type and trait (although tbh noone would probably use any option but the last). Too easy? Increase the numbers: 10, 20, 40. Too hard? Reduce them: 2, 4, 8. Problem solved.

See I think there is a problem that is created, that shouldn't be there in the first place.

There should never be the "best" equipment in game. Just different.

To me, removing the softcaps, adding the IC jewelry sets, and the maelstrom weapons created a rush for the best equipment and cookie cutter builds. Prior to this equipment, you had tons of choices, and to me, that made it more fun....better theory crafting, I switched from magicka and stam NB and back a few times. Now, I just stay stam as it's to expensive to switch.

Guess that is Zos's way of getting people to play the (buy!) the new content.

Other side of this is, if you get that item you want, then you can cancel your sub as you don't need to play the new content. (If you're like me and just pvp)

Its a separate issue. I kinda agree but not completely. I do believe an MMO should have gear progression be it stats based or cosmetic (combination of both preferably). It keeps things fresh and makes sure theres always a goal you can work towards. But yes, there should be multiple BiS options available from different activities. Dual specs wouldnt hurt either.

Sneakyfool · February 2016

They need to implement a Gem system, where you still have a chance of the drops you want (Bless you RnGesus) but at the completion of VMA you get a gem, which when you have a set amount you can trade for the item you want. Let's say 20 for arguments sake.

That way you could get it in a couple of runs but if not you can run it a set amount of times knowing you will get rewarded in the end. That way people won't feel cheated out of time and effort.

I understand "content" in a MMO but if your stretching it out thinly with RnG then you're already risking losing the playerbase to boredom. It's a dangerous path.

NoS_smoke · February 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

NoS_smoke wrote: »

Age old tale I know but this is ridiculous. I'm coming up on my 120th VMA run and still no 2h. Not from weekly rewards and not one in any of my runs. I have lost so much time and my life doing content that was initially fun but now just feels like a never ending time suck. I did the same thing for Engine guardian shoulders and never got those. There has to be some other way...I have friends who got both the needed Maelstrom weapons in 10 runs. Yet I'm well over 100. So yeah man, I just don't get it. I feel like if you do the work you should get rewarded. I can no longer obtain cps and I don't need 20 staffs and 1h+s maelstrom weapons so am I missing something here. Or is this just how the game is suppose to work...I no this is on deaf ears I just had to vent man. So upset right now.

So how is this the final straw,as in the title?
Are you leaving or something?

Dude I am just frustrated. I am confused on the point of content of gear is unattainable. I needed engine guardian shoulders a while back and turned ion 50 keys at one time once and no luck. Easily over 150 dungeons. I did wgt so many times and could only get light kena helm. Now I have done this over 100 Times and can't get the one thing I want. I don't know what the point is. For my build to be the best it can be I need that maelstrom 2h and in all these scenarios I have friends who run the same *** a third of the times and get everything they need. I am a big believer in that if you work hard for things in life (even if it's just a game) you eventually get them. This is consistently not happening and becoming very jaded with this game. I wish there was another MMO I liked for console cuz I would be gone. I mean my wife feels sorry for me and she hates these games....lol. @Wrobel is this your intent man?

Volkodav · February 2016

NoS_smoke wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

NoS_smoke wrote: »

Age old tale I know but this is ridiculous. I'm coming up on my 120th VMA run and still no 2h. Not from weekly rewards and not one in any of my runs. I have lost so much time and my life doing content that was initially fun but now just feels like a never ending time suck. I did the same thing for Engine guardian shoulders and never got those. There has to be some other way...I have friends who got both the needed Maelstrom weapons in 10 runs. Yet I'm well over 100. So yeah man, I just don't get it. I feel like if you do the work you should get rewarded. I can no longer obtain cps and I don't need 20 staffs and 1h+s maelstrom weapons so am I missing something here. Or is this just how the game is suppose to work...I no this is on deaf ears I just had to vent man. So upset right now.

So how is this the final straw,as in the title?
Are you leaving or something?

Dude I am just frustrated. I am confused on the point of content of gear is unattainable. I needed engine guardian shoulders a while back and turned ion 50 keys at one time once and no luck. Easily over 150 dungeons. I did wgt so many times and could only get light kena helm. Now I have done this over 100 Times and can't get the one thing I want. I don't know what the point is. For my build to be the best it can be I need that maelstrom 2h and in all these scenarios I have friends who run the same *** a third of the times and get everything they need. I am a big believer in that if you work hard for things in life (even if it's just a game) you eventually get them. This is consistently not happening and becoming very jaded with this game. I wish there was another MMO I liked for console cuz I would be gone. I mean my wife feels sorry for me and she hates these games....lol. @Wrobel is this your intent man?

I'm so very sorry this is happening to you,and I wish I could tell you to just enjoy the game for itself rather than just want the best gear.But somehow I dont think this would make you feel any better. I hate the idea that everything anymore is bound upon pickup.I just hate it.It should be only bound upon equip. If they werent,you could buy the bits you need if you cant get them to drop.
Do you like to do any questing? Or have you done all that,and the other things ingame? Like attempting to get all the different achievements there are,..and there really are a ton of them.
Perhaps if you just go back to some of that,and wait a bit they'll stop all this BoP crap.
Please,dont give up on ESO. There's just so much more within it's world to enjoy,though you are a fine PvPer,I am sure. Give it some time,and maybe it will change for you.
I sure hope it will,as you dont seem like most other jerks in the PvP world.

Bam_Bam · February 2016

Hey - at least you can complete VMA! I've been stuck on boss 5 for 2 months. I'm rubbish but I don't care. I'll just keep trying and one day my own RNG might get lucky!

NoS_smoke · February 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

NoS_smoke wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

NoS_smoke wrote: »

Age old tale I know but this is ridiculous. I'm coming up on my 120th VMA run and still no 2h. Not from weekly rewards and not one in any of my runs. I have lost so much time and my life doing content that was initially fun but now just feels like a never ending time suck. I did the same thing for Engine guardian shoulders and never got those. There has to be some other way...I have friends who got both the needed Maelstrom weapons in 10 runs. Yet I'm well over 100. So yeah man, I just don't get it. I feel like if you do the work you should get rewarded. I can no longer obtain cps and I don't need 20 staffs and 1h+s maelstrom weapons so am I missing something here. Or is this just how the game is suppose to work...I no this is on deaf ears I just had to vent man. So upset right now.

So how is this the final straw,as in the title?
Are you leaving or something?

Dude I am just frustrated. I am confused on the point of content of gear is unattainable. I needed engine guardian shoulders a while back and turned ion 50 keys at one time once and no luck. Easily over 150 dungeons. I did wgt so many times and could only get light kena helm. Now I have done this over 100 Times and can't get the one thing I want. I don't know what the point is. For my build to be the best it can be I need that maelstrom 2h and in all these scenarios I have friends who run the same *** a third of the times and get everything they need. I am a big believer in that if you work hard for things in life (even if it's just a game) you eventually get them. This is consistently not happening and becoming very jaded with this game. I wish there was another MMO I liked for console cuz I would be gone. I mean my wife feels sorry for me and she hates these games....lol. @Wrobel is this your intent man?

I'm so very sorry this is happening to you,and I wish I could tell you to just enjoy the game for itself rather than just want the best gear.But somehow I dont think this would make you feel any better. I hate the idea that everything anymore is bound upon pickup.I just hate it.It should be only bound upon equip. If they werent,you could buy the bits you need if you cant get them to drop.
Do you like to do any questing? Or have you done all that,and the other things ingame? Like attempting to get all the different achievements there are,..and there really are a ton of them.
Perhaps if you just go back to some of that,and wait a bit they'll stop all this BoP crap.
Please,dont give up on ESO. There's just so much more within it's world to enjoy,though you are a fine PvPer,I am sure. Give it some time,and maybe it will change for you.
I sure hope it will,as you dont seem like most other jerks in the PvP world.

Thanks man. This all started because I had another friend tell me they got it on there weekly reward and they just completed for the first time this week. I just was steaming and needed a place to vent.

SeptimusDova · February 2016

I keep hoping to win an Argonian

Molag_Crow · March 2016

Ouch! that sucks. RNG is stupid to be honest. RNG can work, but why should a player do something over and over and over again (100+ times) to try and get 1 item? I'm getting sick of vMSA. I've got the Shield & 1h Sword tooooo many times from weekly rewards and even the end chest.

Volkodav · March 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Ouch! that sucks. RNG is stupid to be honest. RNG can work, but why should a player do something over and over and over again (100+ times) to try and get 1 item? I'm getting sick of vMSA. I've got the Shield & 1h Sword tooooo many times from weekly rewards and even the end chest.

See? That's what frustrated the OP.He watched as his friends got a lot of the things he needed while he couldnt get them.

Leandor · March 2016

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Bind on Pickup = Cancer of ESO

I respectfully disagree. The cancer killing ESO is not BoP or BoE. It's a developer team that is adamant on their MMO-stoneage views.

It's RNG based gameplay in every aspect, elitism based rewards (meaning that not only the best rewards are limited to "professional gamers", but all decent end level jewellery), a ridiculous bug fixing philosophy, an exaggerated dependence on grinding and a totally unjustified tolerance of bug abusing.

For me, the way out is to just take part in those parts where I can get a bit of enjoyment. That part is getting smaller and smaller, sad as that may be.

Volkodav · March 2016

Leandor wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Bind on Pickup = Cancer of ESO

I respectfully disagree. The cancer killing ESO is not BoP or BoE. It's a developer team that is adamant on their MMO-stoneage views.

It's RNG based gameplay in every aspect, elitism based rewards (meaning that not only the best rewards are limited to "professional gamers", but all decent end level jewellery), a ridiculous bug fixing philosophy, an exaggerated dependence on grinding and a totally unjustified tolerance of bug abusing.

For me, the way out is to just take part in those parts where I can get a bit of enjoyment. That part is getting smaller and smaller, sad as that may be.

I agree with NoMoreChillies.I absolutely hate both BoP and BoE. BoE is the lesser of the two evils in my opinion though,because you dont have but one choice for a lot of great items.To decon them.Waste perfectly fine items because you cant do anything else with them.

Azarath_tiberius · March 2016

Leandor wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Bind on Pickup = Cancer of ESO

I respectfully disagree. The cancer killing ESO is not BoP or BoE. It's a developer team that is adamant on their MMO-stoneage views.

THIS. So much this!

Asian MMOs would be jealus if they saw the grind ZOS puts us through..

You need to grind for ages to get to vr16 (after 2 years they finally gave us an ETA when they'll remove them)

Then you need to grind your way to CP cap (501 for now till TDB dlc)

Then you need to grind Undaunted, Alliance war skill lines.

Then you need to grind countless times to actually get the items you want for your build...

I would have been ok if it the only grind was the CP cap, but this is truly ridiculous. The game should be renamed Elder Scrolls Online: Grind Unlimited.

Also just an FYI, this thread has reached 2k views, so if we keep it up we might finally get a response.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Could you pass info about this thread to @Wrobel and his dev team please? Thanks

Leandor · March 2016

Azarath_tiberius wrote: »

Also just an FYI, this thread has reached 2k views, so if we keep it up we might finally get a response.

Don't get your hopes up. The templar feedback thread in PTS forums has 71k views and 2.1k replies and still is completely ignored.

Azarath_tiberius · March 2016

Leandor wrote: »

Azarath_tiberius wrote: »

Also just an FYI, this thread has reached 2k views, so if we keep it up we might finally get a response.

Don't get your hopes up. The templar feedback thread in PTS forums has 71k views and 2.1k replies and still is completely ignored.

Yeah i know, thats why I said "might". After all this is Wrobel we're talking about

NoS_smoke · March 2016

Ran 4 more times today...no luck.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

Leandor wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Bind on Pickup = Cancer of ESO

I respectfully disagree. The cancer killing ESO is not BoP or BoE. It's a developer team that is adamant on their MMO-stoneage views.

It's RNG based gameplay in every aspect, elitism based rewards (meaning that not only the best rewards are limited to "professional gamers", but all decent end level jewellery), a ridiculous bug fixing philosophy, an exaggerated dependence on grinding and a totally unjustified tolerance of bug abusing.

For me, the way out is to just take part in those parts where I can get a bit of enjoyment. That part is getting smaller and smaller, sad as that may be.

I disagree because I don't think the leadership team knows what an MMO is let alone how to make a successful one.

They have more or less made a game like Diablo 3 when it first came out with some of the worst RNG drops in gaming history.

Plenty of successful MMOs out there they could mimic or alter some models after and they completely chose to focus on single player progressions and RNG.

NoS_smoke · March 2016

Update! 120th time is a charm. Got maelstrom 2h sword precise today. Think I'm gonna put this arena down for a long time. ZOS was successful in dragging out content for this guy.

spoqster · March 2016

They should have pity timers and all drops should be tradeable.

Azarath_tiberius · March 2016

NoS_smoke wrote: »

Update! 120th time is a charm. Got maelstrom 2h sword precise today. Think I'm gonna put this arena down for a long time. ZOS was successful in dragging out content for this guy.

Grats man, hopefully I 'll get my 2h maul in sharp / precise one day (and not stupid defending) ;_;

NoS_smoke · March 2016

Azarath_tiberius wrote: »

NoS_smoke wrote: »

Update! 120th time is a charm. Got maelstrom 2h sword precise today. Think I'm gonna put this arena down for a long time. ZOS was successful in dragging out content for this guy.

Grats man, hopefully I 'll get my 2h maul in sharp / precise one day (and not stupid defending) ;_;

Yeah I got defending maul too. Defending is real dps loss. I like the sword cuz it seems to do better against sorcs And that's the only tough ppl in cyrodil for me.

Dredlord · March 2016

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

RnG is a cruel mistress...or dude. Whatever you prefer

I think it is actually the opposite of what you would prefer, zos is good at that.