Ambush still too cheap?

PCheuk38b14_ESO

Saw a guy today chasing 1 dude from another faction... using ambush 9 million times. They could not run from him to kill him due to the bugged CC immunity. I followed this and watched and it was borderline comical. I know that if you "root" anyone they can just hit the release button... but this was ridiculous how I button can kill everyone.

This NB looked like he was back to top form. Now that the soft caps have been raised, and new gear combinations are available this should probably be revisited. He only died to a group of people.

Anytime a class can take actions against other classes in a pvp environment without worry of any repercussions is bad for balance.

Seriously, I'm hoping to hear intelligent comments about how this can be addressed.

I'm not sure what this guys build was as far as sets etc.. but it really truly was reminiscent of no "Nerf" that soooo many NBs cried about not being able to kill anything. It was broken back then and it's still pretty broken evidently. as soon as people find out this guy's build ... the majority of NBs already emulate it.

P.S. I hope I edited right =P but in all honesty lets make it so that they can't spam "Ambush" and give it the same treatment the sorcs got for BE that increased cost if they keep spamming it.

Katahdin

U mad someone made a thread about bolt escape too cheap so now you make one for NB?

PCheuk38b14_ESO

Katahdin wrote: »

U mad someone made a thread about bolt escape too cheap so now you make one for NB?

Not mad just thought it would be funny they complaining about a sorc getting away but not NBs spamming ambush and glitching peoples out

Ashamray

Ambush is a visiting card of NB's. It provides reliable hard-to-stop damage which is a feature of the class. Its cost is much higher than Surprise attack also.
Nothing to change. Ambush is perfect - gap closers generally are not.

PCheuk38b14_ESO

Ashamray wrote: »

Ambush is a visiting card of NB's. It provides reliable hard-to-stop damage which is a feature of the class. Its cost is much higher than Surprise attack also.
Nothing to change. Ambush is perfect - gap closers generally are not.

perfectly buggy?

Turelus

Give me a bit, I will make the one about Templar Charge being too... actually maybe not, they're upset enough as it is.

PCheuk38b14_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

Give me a bit, I will make the one about Templar Charge being too... actually maybe not, they're upset enough as it is.

Hahaha yea temp gap closer is super buggy. Not sure why =/

Ashamray

PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Ambush is a visiting card of NB's. It provides reliable hard-to-stop damage which is a feature of the class. Its cost is much higher than Surprise attack also.
Nothing to change. Ambush is perfect - gap closers generally are not.

perfectly buggy?

Perfectly serves his porpose. I don't die when I meet spambush NB. Annoying, but no more. You write about "bugged CC immunity" with no understanding of what's going on really.
Obviously it is l2p problem.

PCheuk38b14_ESO

Ashamray wrote: »

PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Ambush is a visiting card of NB's. It provides reliable hard-to-stop damage which is a feature of the class. Its cost is much higher than Surprise attack also.
Nothing to change. Ambush is perfect - gap closers generally are not.

perfectly buggy?

Perfectly serves his porpose. I don't die when I meet spambush NB. Annoying, but no more. You write about "bugged CC immunity" with no understanding of what's going on really.
Obviously it is l2p problem.

Damn those comebacks.....

olsborg

Ambush spam is pretty lame tho, anyone resorting to it is pretty much a laughing stock, killing people or no.

PCheuk38b14_ESO

olsborg wrote: »

Ambush spam is pretty lame tho, anyone resorting to it is pretty much a laughing stock, killing people or no.

Except Ashamray is butt hurt theres a bug/glitch to it lol

vamp_emily

The key words in the OP are

using ambush 9 million times

Exaggeration, and anything said about ambush should be dismissed.

Lyrebon

Since NBs are squishy and have literally no defensive skills you need to be able to jump in quickly, burst damage, and get away again. That's usually how I'm playing my NB with a group since I'm only V4: circle a fight and look for good targets (usually the focus of our tank(s) or primary DDs, or to stall their healers). Ambush is perhaps the best gap closer but it's not perfect and the stun can't affect the same target for 3 seconds.

Cody

its gap closers in general that need changing due to the recent 100% snare that gets temporarily applied after hitting someone with one. Teleport strike has no minimum distance requirement, meaning 2 NBs (or even one if its Lotus fan being used) can keep a player stuck in place the entire battle with ease.

Ambush by itself is not too bad, save the fact it does not have a minimum distance requirement. People can spam it and other high costing abilities an absurd amount of times because of the lack of soft caps and how high people can take regen rates/resource pools due to lack of said soft caps and the passives in the CP system. If you want abilities being spammed absurdly stopped, look at those factors. Nerfing them or giving them the BE treatment wont work.

Elijah_Crow

I'm a stambkade and look forward to testing the changes. The only time I have to spam ambush currently is when I'm trying to catch someone on a horse and knock them off.

Maybe the snare will prevent me from having to spam it to catch up.

KingYogi415

"wahh I got killed by one skill and its OP so lets nerf"

This is why the game gets nerfed into the ground. The meta changes and hardcore players leave, all so scrubs can feel like thing are more fair.

If one skill kills you, learn to counter it. Don't cry to mommy (zos) that someone is being mean to you!

Mojmir

so why are they spamming the gap closer? is it cause someone else is spamming bolt escape? maybe just get rid of both of them and problem is solved. oh wait WB

Strider_Roshin

Nightblades that spam ambush are trash players. The people who die to it are even worse. If a Nightblade tries this with me I laugh, kill them, then laugh some more. It's not too cheap. It does less damage, and costs more stamina that crit rush. What makes ambush good is it's utility.

MaxwellC

Ambush ignores LoS, multiple players who ambush one target renders that target unable to react thanks to being rooted in from "Gap Closing" repeatedly.
People who argue that ambush is good and doesn't need a re-work I agree when it comes to damage it provides but when it comes to range of usage and LoS check I do not agree as it ignores both of them.

People who die to 1 person ambushing are bad but when it comes to two players or more that player deserves a pat on the back. I've got clips of me 1 v xin NBs but god forbid if they both start spamming ambush also NOTE: PTS changes are pretty much unnoticeable you can still get locked in if said players (more than 1) ambush you.

Emma_Overload

KingYogi415 wrote: »

"wahh I got killed by one skill and its OP so lets nerf"

This is why the game gets nerfed into the ground. The meta changes and hardcore players leave, all so scrubs can feel like thing are more fair.

If one skill kills you, learn to counter it. Don't cry to mommy (zos) that someone is being mean to you!

That would be a great philosophy if ZOS went back and UN-nerfed all the abilities like Bolt Escape and Roll Dodge, etc... but they aren't going to do that any time soon, are they? In the mean time, Nightblade abilities like Cloak and Ambush and Surprise Attack need to be balanced to bring them in line with the strengths and weaknesses of other classes.

Nightblades are just too overpowered right now, so it's a bit late to be crying "no more nerfs".

Cathexis

Katahdin wrote: »

U mad someone made a thread about bolt escape too cheap so now you make one for NB?

Nightblades should be able to teleport forever but sorcs should not?

Katahdin

Cathexis wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

U mad someone made a thread about bolt escape too cheap so now you make one for NB?

Nightblades should be able to teleport forever but sorcs should not?

Not the point of my post. This vindictive "someone said skill XYZ needs a nerf so I am gona post skill ABC needs nerf" posting is stupid.

davey1107

As always, the lame "two players spammed me and I died" whine fest.

I run all four character types. If I am playing with a buddy and we catch you by surprise in pvp, I can kill you with any combo of classes. If you're hit by two players, they should be able to deal 16,000 damage in two seconds - that's two attacks each, 4K per attack. Nothing amazing there...that's not even a single crit.

98% of the time, you're down 16k damage just as you start to fight...you're dead. No overpowering, no mystery, just math.

Cody

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

"wahh I got killed by one skill and its OP so lets nerf"

This is why the game gets nerfed into the ground. The meta changes and hardcore players leave, all so scrubs can feel like thing are more fair.

If one skill kills you, learn to counter it. Don't cry to mommy (zos) that someone is being mean to you!

That would be a great philosophy if ZOS went back and UN-nerfed all the abilities like Bolt Escape and Roll Dodge, etc... but they aren't going to do that any time soon, are they? In the mean time, Nightblade abilities like Cloak and Ambush and Surprise Attack need to be balanced to bring them in line with the strengths and weaknesses of other classes.

Nightblades are just too overpowered right now, so it's a bit late to be crying "no more nerfs".

NBs are going to be far from OP come next Monday. One ability is going to completely wreck the class's main line of survivalbility.

Rest assured, Sorcerers are going to be the hated class of the month next, and soon. It is a never ending cycle with this game.

pcar944

theres so much lag in this PVP I can never hit anybody with anything

I ambuish people, and they don't get stunned

I crit rush people and they take no damage

I wreck blow people and they take no damage

I FEAR people and they wreck blow me back

I get hit and I cant get away using anything - and I'm not getting marked

so I just stay with a large group if I am top side - and spam bow (focused aim after marking target), or scorched earth if by the keep door

and in Sewers the only thing I can do when group I am in get attacked is start spamming steel tornado

how you guys actually play this broken Cyrodil/Imperial City is beyond me, I just go in for Trophies, and if I can get away with 1k TV stones, I just bank right away, I'd rather loose 10% to enemy NPC then 80% to enemy player

I think the worst are layers though, a po of them will see you get rushed in sewers, and just hide and not even try to help. but I get it, TV stones are a grind b themselves

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