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Consider Reworking Crystal Blast
footloosejarlb14_ESO
Soul Shriven
I'm sure ZOS has the data, but Crystal Blast seems to be a heavily under-utilized morph. While part of that reason comes down to Crystal Fragments being so good, a big reason is a cast time without a significant payoff.
One possible solution would be to make the spell more versatile. Rather than just having flat splash damage, consider the possibility of having Crystal Blast send out three projectiles. If there are multiple targets, the projectiles would split up. If there is only one target, all three projectiles would go after that one target. This would make a class-specific filler skill and the cast time could be justified by added versatility as the spell would work well against groups and solo targets.
I know there is good reason to request the spell be reworked as a stamina ability, but as a magicka sorc I've got to look out for number one! Cheers.
One possible solution would be to make the spell more versatile. Rather than just having flat splash damage, consider the possibility of having Crystal Blast send out three projectiles. If there are multiple targets, the projectiles would split up. If there is only one target, all three projectiles would go after that one target. This would make a class-specific filler skill and the cast time could be justified by added versatility as the spell would work well against groups and solo targets.
I know there is good reason to request the spell be reworked as a stamina ability, but as a magicka sorc I've got to look out for number one! Cheers.
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Stamina sorc shouldnt even be a thing IMO.Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »stamina sorc doesnt even make sense, its an oxymoron
According to Elder Scroll Lore, Sorcerers use both heavy armor and bladed weapons
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:ClassesSorcerer
In-game Description: Though spellcasters by vocation, sorcerers rely most on summonings and enchantments. They are greedy for magic scrolls, rings, armor and weapons, and commanding undead and Daedric servants gratifies their egos.
Specialization: Magic
Attributes: Intelligence, Endurance
Major Skills:
Enchant
Conjuration
Mysticism
Destruction
Alteration
Minor Skills:
Illusion
Medium Armor
Heavy Armor
Marksman
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catalyst10e✭✭✭✭footloosejarlb14_ESO wrote: »I'm sure ZOS has the data, but Crystal Blast seems to be a heavily under-utilized morph. While part of that reason comes down to Crystal Fragments being so good, a big reason is a cast time without a significant payoff.
One possible solution would be to make the spell more versatile. Rather than just having flat splash damage, consider the possibility of having Crystal Blast send out three projectiles. If there are multiple targets, the projectiles would split up. If there is only one target, all three projectiles would go after that one target. This would make a class-specific filler skill and the cast time could be justified by added versatility as the spell would work well against groups and solo targets.
I know there is good reason to request the spell be reworked as a stamina ability, but as a magicka sorc I've got to look out for number one! Cheers.
But wouldnt this idea just make it less reliable? As it is now you've got single target damage with a splash effect. that Single target hit is still a heavy hit, the splash damage is just sort of extra. If the skill decided it would split the single target damage you never have a reliable amount of damage from the skill. It'd make it like Healing ward, where you never know if its going to be cast on you, or if some rando gets close enough and gets it placed on them instead.
You could remove the single target aspect, increase the radius a bit and make it a ranged AOE that causes a knock down effect. Another option could be to turn it into something resembling Endless Fury, where a killing blow would restore magicka. So with the blood magic passive you'd have a skill that could be cast for singe target damage, knock down, and restore a bit of health and magicka.
Side note: Crystal frag should be able to self proc, just sayin..."Why settle for just stabbing your foes when you can roast them alive in a gout of arcane fire?"
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✭✭✭✭✭Its a real shame you cant be hybrid in eso, like battlemage and still be competetive (for pvp)
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Masuimi✭✭✭Stamina sorc shouldnt even be a thing IMO.Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »stamina sorc doesnt even make sense, its an oxymoron
According to Elder Scroll Lore, Sorcerers use both heavy armor and bladed weapons
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:ClassesSorcerer
In-game Description: Though spellcasters by vocation, sorcerers rely most on summonings and enchantments. They are greedy for magic scrolls, rings, armor and weapons, and commanding undead and Daedric servants gratifies their egos.
Specialization: Magic
Attributes: Intelligence, Endurance
Major Skills:
Enchant
Conjuration
Mysticism
Destruction
Alteration
Minor Skills:
Illusion
Medium Armor
Heavy Armor
Marksman
Short Blade
Skills weren't tied to armor in morrowind. Also, even in morrowind.. all magic casters used mana to cast spells. Stam sorc wasn't a thing there either.1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You hit the nail on the head with the insta cast part.
I think that makes the difference.
I mean, look at Frag, no one should hard cast it (if you do don't let other players see... esp on the forums!)
I feel it should have a stam morph. Daedric Prey should become a stamina ability (like it could lower their defense or something that fits the lore)
But I digress, unless the morph has an instant cast chance, I don't ever seeing it being used over Frag.0 -
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Lol, thanks for sharing.Stamina sorc shouldnt even be a thing IMO.
This is false, not sure what world you're playing in, but it's not Nirn. TESO lore backs up stam sorcs a great deal, and in every game there are examples of warriors who utilize Daedric Summoning / Conjuration / Illusion / Restoration / Destruction.Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »stamina sorc doesnt even make sense, its an oxymoron
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Masuimi✭✭✭
This is false, not sure what world you're playing in, but it's not Nirn. TESO lore backs up stam sorcs a great deal, and in every game there are examples of warriors who utilize Daedric Summoning / Conjuration / Illusion / Restoration / Destruction.Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »stamina sorc doesnt even make sense, its an oxymoron
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Those aren't stam sorcs.. those are warriors who know magic.. Kinda how warriors in this game use magic abilities too.. do u see the difference?0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Stamina sorc shouldnt even be a thing IMO.Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »stamina sorc doesnt even make sense, its an oxymoron
According to Elder Scroll Lore, Sorcerers use both heavy armor and bladed weapons
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:ClassesSorcerer
In-game Description: Though spellcasters by vocation, sorcerers rely most on summonings and enchantments. They are greedy for magic scrolls, rings, armor and weapons, and commanding undead and Daedric servants gratifies their egos.
Specialization: Magic
Attributes: Intelligence, Endurance
Major Skills:
Enchant
Conjuration
Mysticism
Destruction
Alteration
Minor Skills:
Illusion
Medium Armor
Heavy Armor
Marksman
Short Blade
Skills weren't tied to armor in morrowind. Also, even in morrowind.. all magic casters used mana to cast spells. Stam sorc wasn't a thing there either.
False, for example, if I conjured a bound weapon then proceeded to heavy attack with it, wouldn't it drain my stamina?
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✭✭✭✭✭People keep badmouthing Crystal Blast because of the hard cast, yet completely ignore the fact that Wrecking Blow has an identical cast time and is probably the most popular single target weapon attack in PvP that is available to all classes.
So why isn't Crystal Blast used more frequently? Two reasons:
1) It costs too much. Base cost should be reduced by 400 magicka.
2) Unlike Wrecking Blow, it's easily interruptible. ZOS should fix this.
ZOS needs to wake up and realize that if a skill doesn't work in PvP, NO ONE will use it no matter how much they try to buff it.
Edited by Emma_Overload on February 25, 2016 7:07PM#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
PCheuk38b14_ESO✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »People keep badmouthing Crystal Blast because of the hard cast, yet completely ignore the fact that Wrecking Blow has an identical cast time and is probably the most popular single target weapon attack in PvP that is available to all classes.
So why isn't Crystal Blast used more frequently? Two reasons:
1) It costs too much. Base cost should be reduced by 400 magicka.
2) Unlike Wrecking Blow, it's easily interruptible. ZOS should fix this.
ZOS needs to wake up and realize that if a skill doesn't work in PvP, NO ONE will use it no matter how much they try to buff it.
I wouldn't even consider those changes a buff it's more like adding a new flavor to entice people to try it out lol.0 -
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This is false, not sure what world you're playing in, but it's not Nirn. TESO lore backs up stam sorcs a great deal, and in every game there are examples of warriors who utilize Daedric Summoning / Conjuration / Illusion / Restoration / Destruction.Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »stamina sorc doesnt even make sense, its an oxymoron
Those aren't stam sorcs.. those are warriors who know magic.. Kinda how warriors in this game use magic abilities too.. do u see the difference?[/quote]
then stam sorcs are battlemages, Battlemage is a class in various Elder Scrolls games. They commonly focus on combat using both magic spells, blunt and blade weapons. Battlemages are a deadly mix of scholar and soldier, and are trained to utilize offensive spells during combat. -http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/BattlemageEdited by LizardThixvim on February 25, 2016 7:12PM1 -
Phatmattfu✭✭✭Stamina sorc shouldnt even be a thing IMO.
How dare you.Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »stamina sorc doesnt even make sense, its an oxymoron
How dare you.
I made my stamina sORC to be as close to as beastmaster as I could. (Everquest wut wut) It's alot of fun fighting by your Clannfears side up until the point where you completely outgrow it.
Go on a dungeon run with me or someone with similar build and be in awe of the aoe damage.
Phatmattfu
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Cathexis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »stamina sorc doesnt even make sense, its an oxymoron
Watch me make your sentence work for any class.
Magicka dragonknight doesn't even make sense, its an oxymoron. I mean he's a knight! Knights don't use magic.
Stamina templar doesn't even make sense, its an oxymoron. Its a templar, they are priests! Magic only!
Magicka nightblade doesn't even make sense, its an oxymoron. All nightblades are stupid!
If it doesn't apply to the other classes, it shouldn't apply to sorcerers either.Edited by Cathexis on February 25, 2016 9:08PMTome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »stamina sorc doesnt even make sense, its an oxymoron
there are battlemages in the ES universe, a stamina sorc is a perfectly valid idea/desireEdited by Cody on February 25, 2016 9:12PM0 -
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Cuz I can't even...
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Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭A stamina morph of crystal blast would be welcome! Scales off weapon damage, max stam etc.
Since the summoning tree is stamina friendly for bow based pet sorcs, giving Conjured Ward a stam morph would make me happy. Scaling Empowered Ward off stamina, the morph pet sorcs use, especially since it's losing its minor mending anyway and making it less useful for sorc healers.May all beings have happiness
May they be free from suffering
May they find the joy that has never known suffering
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PCheuk38b14_ESO✭✭✭A stamina morph of crystal blast would be welcome! Scales off weapon damage, max stam etc.
Since the summoning tree is stamina friendly for bow based pet sorcs, giving Conjured Ward a stam morph would make me happy. Scaling Empowered Ward off stamina, the morph pet sorcs use, especially since it's losing its minor mending anyway and making it less useful for sorc healers.
I said that and no one replied T_T0 -
Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »A stamina morph of crystal blast would be welcome! Scales off weapon damage, max stam etc.
Since the summoning tree is stamina friendly for bow based pet sorcs, giving Conjured Ward a stam morph would make me happy. Scaling Empowered Ward off stamina, the morph pet sorcs use, especially since it's losing its minor mending anyway and making it less useful for sorc healers.
I said that and no one replied T_T
About CB or about Empowered Ward?May all beings have happiness
May they be free from suffering
May they find the joy that has never known suffering
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PCheuk38b14_ESO✭✭✭PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »A stamina morph of crystal blast would be welcome! Scales off weapon damage, max stam etc.
Since the summoning tree is stamina friendly for bow based pet sorcs, giving Conjured Ward a stam morph would make me happy. Scaling Empowered Ward off stamina, the morph pet sorcs use, especially since it's losing its minor mending anyway and making it less useful for sorc healers.
I said that and no one replied T_T
About CB or about Empowered Ward?
Make Crystal Blast a stamina morph
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Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »A stamina morph of crystal blast would be welcome! Scales off weapon damage, max stam etc.
Since the summoning tree is stamina friendly for bow based pet sorcs, giving Conjured Ward a stam morph would make me happy. Scaling Empowered Ward off stamina, the morph pet sorcs use, especially since it's losing its minor mending anyway and making it less useful for sorc healers.
I said that and no one replied T_T
About CB or about Empowered Ward?
Make Crystal Blast a stamina morph
Oh yeah, as it is it's pointless. In the two years I've played I've never taken the morph and I've seen it used by others three times. Three times ever. In two years. I don't get the resistance. It's a tool in the toolbox no one uses, so let stam sorcs play with it!
For reasonable survivability within our class, a shield scaling off stamina needs to happen.May all beings have happiness
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CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭catalyst10e wrote: »footloosejarlb14_ESO wrote: »I'm sure ZOS has the data, but Crystal Blast seems to be a heavily under-utilized morph. While part of that reason comes down to Crystal Fragments being so good, a big reason is a cast time without a significant payoff.
One possible solution would be to make the spell more versatile. Rather than just having flat splash damage, consider the possibility of having Crystal Blast send out three projectiles. If there are multiple targets, the projectiles would split up. If there is only one target, all three projectiles would go after that one target. This would make a class-specific filler skill and the cast time could be justified by added versatility as the spell would work well against groups and solo targets.
I know there is good reason to request the spell be reworked as a stamina ability, but as a magicka sorc I've got to look out for number one! Cheers.
But wouldnt this idea just make it less reliable? As it is now you've got single target damage with a splash effect. that Single target hit is still a heavy hit, the splash damage is just sort of extra. If the skill decided it would split the single target damage you never have a reliable amount of damage from the skill. It'd make it like Healing ward, where you never know if its going to be cast on you, or if some rando gets close enough and gets it placed on them instead.
You could remove the single target aspect, increase the radius a bit and make it a ranged AOE that causes a knock down effect. Another option could be to turn it into something resembling Endless Fury, where a killing blow would restore magicka. So with the blood magic passive you'd have a skill that could be cast for singe target damage, knock down, and restore a bit of health and magicka.
Side note: Crystal frag should be able to self proc, just sayin...
I think i'm beginning to like this idea most. All of a stam sorc's needs aside, if crystal blast was a ranged cc like that (thinking it would feel like volcanic rune at this point) it could be very useful. Could even have it knock back targets akin to death's wind rather than a flat knockdown, make rune for keeping targets cc'ed and contained and blast for breaking groups up. That would be worth looking at but ZOS seems to think (for several skills) that mild aoe damage is worth the tradeoff compared to the other, vastly superior morph.
And thanks to those who pointed out why stam sorcs should be a thing. To those who think 'stam sorcs shouldn't exist' then you should also be going to templar threads demanding they be healers and nothing more, going to dk threads and demanding that they only be tanks (both cases of the class must be only one thing), and then look at the in universe definition of 'sorcerers' and tell me with a straight face that a class that has always had a heavy use for weapons and heavy armor is not justified being able to build for stamina, in a game where all of the other classes can chose. I've waited a year for wrobel to respond to our threads since last february, I can wait for you to get back to me on that.0 -
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✭✭✭PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »A stamina morph of crystal blast would be welcome! Scales off weapon damage, max stam etc.
Since the summoning tree is stamina friendly for bow based pet sorcs, giving Conjured Ward a stam morph would make me happy. Scaling Empowered Ward off stamina, the morph pet sorcs use, especially since it's losing its minor mending anyway and making it less useful for sorc healers.
I said that and no one replied T_T
About CB or about Empowered Ward?
Make Crystal Blast a stamina morph
Oh yeah, as it is it's pointless. In the two years I've played I've never taken the morph and I've seen it used by others three times. Three times ever. In two years. I don't get the resistance. It's a tool in the toolbox no one uses, so let stam sorcs play with it!
For reasonable survivability within our class, a shield scaling off stamina needs to happen.
blade cloak should be that in my opinion. but that is DW, not sorcerer exclusiveEdited by Cody on February 25, 2016 11:09PM0 -
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✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »People keep badmouthing Crystal Blast because of the hard cast, yet completely ignore the fact that Wrecking Blow has an identical cast time and is probably the most popular single target weapon attack in PvP that is available to all classes.
So why isn't Crystal Blast used more frequently? Two reasons:
1) It costs too much. Base cost should be reduced by 400 magicka.
2) Unlike Wrecking Blow, it's easily interruptible. ZOS should fix this.
ZOS needs to wake up and realize that if a skill doesn't work in PvP, NO ONE will use it no matter how much they try to buff it.
Hahah not to mention I can animation cancel WB with a heavy attack while stealthed and have them both land in stealth then cloak and surprise attack or land another WB. Durka's favorite moves
Rather than making Crystal Blast uninterruptible I think it would be more balancing to make WB easier to interrupt.NA PC | AD
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SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »A stamina morph of crystal blast would be welcome! Scales off weapon damage, max stam etc.
Since the summoning tree is stamina friendly for bow based pet sorcs, giving Conjured Ward a stam morph would make me happy. Scaling Empowered Ward off stamina, the morph pet sorcs use, especially since it's losing its minor mending anyway and making it less useful for sorc healers.
I said that and no one replied T_T
About CB or about Empowered Ward?
Make Crystal Blast a stamina morph
Oh yeah, as it is it's pointless. In the two years I've played I've never taken the morph and I've seen it used by others three times. Three times ever. In two years. I don't get the resistance. It's a tool in the toolbox no one uses, so let stam sorcs play with it!
For reasonable survivability within our class, a shield scaling off stamina needs to happen.
No. Never.
Stamina Sorcs having a shield that scales off stamina would instantly become the most OP build in the game. No classes whatsoever have a shield that scales off stamina nor should they. When you consider the skills like visor, rally and evasion that all stamina builds have access to shields are unnecessary and only likely to lead to God like builds.
I'd be happy with Crystal blast was reworked into a stamina weapon/offensive ability but Stam Sorcs have enough defences already with what comes in the open access toolkit and thundering presence (highly underrated, prevents melee stealth attacks)NA PC | AD
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Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭@SirDopey Sry but I have to disagree about stamina sorcerer defences. They badly lack a panic ability - all other classes have a defensive ultimate that reduces damage taken (with DKs having the best), every class gets access to mjr resolve/ward, and many have class panic abilities, but stamina sorcerers other options quickly run out (due to the magicka scaling and repeated use scaling of sorcerer defences)... unless you consider a HoT to be a panic ability.
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