Any Magicka Templars out there who can single target DPS 20k+??? For PVE or PVP

Robbmrp · February 2016

I'm looking for help with this build and need gear and rotation information. With my current setup I am at 3k SP buffed with 2k regen. Dark Flare being the most powerful spell in my rotation. Is 20k even reachable for Templars????

Cuyler · February 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

Is 20k even reachable for Templars????

Yes. Search for @Nifty2g's build.

timidobserver · February 2016

I'm not able to sustain 20k with Dark Flare on live. You need to be doing either a reflective light build or a puncturing sweep build. You can find 20k+ builds by Tondodino, EgoRush, Nifty, and others on this forum and tamriel foundry.

myrrrorb14_ESO · February 2016

Not sure what @Nifty2g pulls for dps, but his builds are very well written and impressive.

Been following this for a bit and he just updated it for the new DLC.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/235221/a-guide-to-magicka-templar-dps-thieves-guild-updated/p1

Robbmrp · February 2016

Thanks all. That's been a great help! @Nifty2g does have some great ideas for sure!

SmalltalkJava · February 2016

Deltia has a magicka templar build that can

ryanborror · February 2016

On live you'll have better luck with puncturing sweeps

ryanborror · February 2016

SmalltalkJava wrote: »

Deltia has a magicka templar build that can

On the pts yes but sweeps is better on live as dark flare cast times too long

Robbmrp · February 2016

@ryanborror do you see more people switching to Dark Flare as their main DPS skill with the changes being made in TG?

Robbmrp · February 2016

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Not sure what @Nifty2g pulls for dps, but his builds are very well written and impressive.

Been following this for a bit and he just updated it for the new DLC.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/235221/a-guide-to-magicka-templar-dps-thieves-guild-updated/p1

Yeah they do. In looking at their builds, I was pretty much setup the same as the Aedric Warrior build with CP allocation differences. I left mine where they were as I like the performance from them. I took a couple of the skills they had listed on there and added them in and switched some things up. The changes seemed to work really well for PVP so I will have to see what single target DPS can be done with it as well.

Nifty2g · February 2016

Hey guys, soon I'm getting a new PC, in about a week all my videos will be updated and way more indepth

Robbmrp · February 2016

Congrats @Nifty2g! What are you getting/building?

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

You should reach 20k dps by just spamming sweep.

Reorx_Holybeard · February 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

You should reach 20k dps by just spamming sweep.

Even if it is possible the important question is "how". Yes, if you know how then of course it's "easy" but that doesn't help anyone who doesn't know all the tricks to getting there.

I wasn't sure if its possible to reach 20k with just Puncturing Sweeps so I did a few quick tests on the Giants/Mammoths in Wrothgar. I can get 20k DPS but its not consistent, I typically average 18k within the range of 16-21k. The high variability is due to how lucky I get with crits and Burning Light and the short nature of the fights (7-9 seconds).

To get 18k DPS spamming sweeps I had to:

Buffed Spell Damage of 3600 (Major and Minor Sorcery self-buffs)
All gold v16 equipment (Julianos x5, Willpower x3, Torugs x3, Molag x1)
352 CPs (usual DPS assignment)
Thief Mundus
Blue Health+Magicka food
Zero room for error during the fight

I'm guessing with max CPs I could reach a 20k DPS average or going a 2 piece Molag and activating Overkill. It seems that on Live using Dark Flare spam the same way is roughly the same DPS. Will be interesting to see how it compares have the Thieves Guild patch with the change in how CPs work.

Beware of extrapolating such a short and trivial fight to longer and more complex ones. Casting anything other than PS (like refreshing self-buffs) will drop your DPS as will missing all or part of PS due to having to move around or dodge things.

ryanborror · February 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

@ryanborror do you see more people switching to Dark Flare as their main DPS skill with the changes being made in TG?

If dark flare makes it to live as it is then yes because people like deltia who a lot of people watch are already posting builds using this. besides dark flare changes, the changes to thaumaturge and elemental expert will give Templars a lot more options and make builds and rotations more interesting. Things like elemental blockade and vampires bane will now be in a lot of Templar rotations and things like purifying light got buffed so it will be interesting to see what people do. Right now the meta is to just spam sweeps. I plan on trying to still use sweeps next patch but I will be experimenting with a few dots.

Holy-Dope · February 2016

Not the best...but just tested last night...(on live)

http://i.imgur.com/eoBU94q.jpg

elium85 · February 2016

@Holy-Dope Not bad! What buffs did you have up? SPC? AWH?

pretzl · February 2016

This isn't me, but it's my vDSA teammate. He made a Magplar build for trials. This is his first Bloodspawn test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRy4RmrQmBE
I can't find videos of it, but he posted Mantikora parses of 26k with a horrifically messy group.
You can see more videos on his YouTube of the magplar

Holy-Dope · February 2016

Holy-Dope wrote: »

Not the best...but just tested last night...(on live)

http://i.imgur.com/eoBU94q.jpg

The usual buffs....SPC/ War Horn/ Combat prayer/ Minor-major Sorcery (self-buffed). The rotation was a bit messed up and the worst *** up of all was that my spell dmg pots was down in last 15 sec. forgot to refresh it. So entire execute phase was dps loss. and that's why you see Z beam in 2nd place after jabs...

pretzl wrote: »

This isn't me, but it's my vDSA teammate. He made a Magplar build for trials. This is his first Bloodspawn test:
I can't find videos of it, but he posted Mantikora parses of 26k with a horrifically messy group.
You can see more videos on his YouTube of the magplar

The above video is not the correct way of obtaining correct DPS values. For the test, you have to be only DPS in the grp and tank should provide with just peirce armour to debuff the boss. Healer should be doing combat prayer/ warhorn/ spc/ ele drain etc if possible...Basically, fight needs to be at least 1 min as to chk your sustain as well....30 sec group kills are just for show-off...

pretzl · February 2016

Holy-Dope wrote: »

pretzl wrote: »

This isn't me, but it's my vDSA teammate. He made a Magplar build for trials. This is his first Bloodspawn test:
I can't find videos of it, but he posted Mantikora parses of 26k with a horrifically messy group.
You can see more videos on his YouTube of the magplar

The above video is not the correct way of obtaining correct DPS values. For the test, you have to be only DPS in the grp and tank should provide with just peirce armour to debuff the boss. Healer should be doing combat prayer/ warhorn/ spc/ ele drain etc if possible...Basically, fight needs to be at least 1 min as to chk your sustain as well....30 sec group kills are just for show-off...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOftBBPXyiQ
25k DPS on Mantikora. Look at how badly War Horn/SPC/Combat Prayer are being kept up.
Still wanna claim it's the wrong way of obtaining "correct DPS values"?

Magplars are still extremely good and will only become better in Thieves Guild.

Holy-Dope · February 2016

25k DPS on Mantikora. Look at how badly War Horn/SPC/Combat Prayer are being kept up.
Still wanna claim it's the wrong way of obtaining "correct DPS values"?
Magplars are still extremely good and will only become better in Thieves Guild.

My comment was about the bloodspawn Video

If some1 is getting 26k there with 4 man party, tht's what i meant is not the right way of obtaining DPS nos.

However, Manti is always a DPS monster, no matter how the group is, if your nos are good, then they are good. Templar on Manti with 25k + is good and yes I agree that in next patch, I'm worried (happy) that they are gonna leave everyone behind in long fights.

pretzl · February 2016

Holy-Dope wrote: »

25k DPS on Mantikora. Look at how badly War Horn/SPC/Combat Prayer are being kept up.
Still wanna claim it's the wrong way of obtaining "correct DPS values"?
Magplars are still extremely good and will only become better in Thieves Guild.

My comment was about the bloodspawn Video If some1 is getting 26k there with 4 man party, tht's what i meant is not the right way of obtaining DPS nos.

However, Manti is always a DPS monster, no matter how the group is, if your nos are good, then they are good. Templar on Manti with 25k + is good and yes I agree that in next patch, I'm worried (happy) that they are gonna leave everyone behind in long fights.

I agree that the 2nd DD makes for a worse DPS test, but my point was that it's still representative of the DPS Alfonso can pull. Regardless, the Mantikora video speaks for itself

we'll go on PTS soon and do a 2man bloodspawn to see how templar tank/heal aswell as magplars do in alittle longer fights. I want to make a healing tank that performs well in more than gold keys. Should be interesting!
I'll try to remember to get back to ya once our PTS tests are done

Holy-Dope · February 2016

Thanks for reminding me to go there myself. Will get a few friends and do the test. 3 things to check for-

1. Old rotation performance with same skill set.
2. Using Prox Det in the rotation.
3. Damage performance of purifying light, Jabs and "Radiant oppression--> (i'm excited about this one. Damage value on tool tip is 16k vs 9.8k on live.)"

SirDopey · February 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Hey guys, soon I'm getting a new PC, in about a week all my videos will be updated and way more indepth

So Elephant in the Room, when are you going to start podcasting "Nifty is ESO" ......the sooner the better please...

Holy-Dope · February 2016

So far what I've noticed from Nifty's builds and his inputs (from PTS testing) the nos are looking good, however i'm yet not convinced cause sustain would be a major factor. If you've seen his last two videos, one rotation he did fine and another no sustain but more damage i suppose, so we'll have to wait and see how it goes....so far the rotation i tested on PTS, it's pretty much same with a few minor changes and nos are looking (really) good.

@SirDopey - Time to bring you "HOUSEWIFE" out of RETIREMENT

AtraisMachina · February 2016

High damage punturing sweep build my bf has puts out about 22k super surviable as well

kylewwefan · February 2016

I was just watching a deltia video on Templar DPS. I think his build was a stamina Templar. He said you have to remember

Buff, spam, execute. Repeat

Evil hunter, Rally, biting jabs, biting jabs, biting jabs, biting jabs, execute. And there was some repentance in there at the end.

SirDopey · February 2016

@Reorx_Holybeard, The build above, how do you find sustain with that? Obviously 30 - 40 second encounters would be fine but do you run into magic resource issues when you're doing say a 1 - 2 minute fight?

@Holy-Dope. Hahah yeah the Doc hasn't been permanently retired yet. No longer going to be a dedicated healer, with the updates coming I just don't see the point in such a specialist role, so moving back to a more DPS role (bye bye ritual mundus and blessed CPs). Was testing some things out last night in Wrothgar on the Orc world boss on live (2 mill health and respawns quickly) and 20K dps wasn't too difficult and should by all accounts be much easier on the next patch.

Reorx_Holybeard · February 2016

SirDopey wrote: »

@Reorx_Holybeard, The build above, how do you find sustain with that? Obviously 30 - 40 second encounters would be fine but do you run into magic resource issues when you're doing say a 1 - 2 minute fight?

With that set sustain is a little rough with magicka recovery around 700. For longer fights, like vMSA, you can manage OK with Channeled Focus, Harness Magicka and potions, especially once you get a few 100 CPs.

However, if you swap the x5 Julianos for x5 Seducer sustain becomes a lot better even without Rune/potions (see build here). You lose some spell damage and a little critical from the Julianos so your DPS is a little less (maybe 5%). I usually wear the Seducer on my Templar and let my Nightblade have the Julianos as his sustain is a lot better with Siphoning Attacks.

Xvorg · February 2016

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

@Reorx_Holybeard, The build above, how do you find sustain with that? Obviously 30 - 40 second encounters would be fine but do you run into magic resource issues when you're doing say a 1 - 2 minute fight?

With that set sustain is a little rough with magicka recovery around 700. For longer fights, like vMSA, you can manage OK with Channeled Focus, Harness Magicka and potions, especially once you get a few 100 CPs.

However, if you swap the x5 Julianos for x5 Seducer sustain becomes a lot better even without Rune/potions (see build here). You lose some spell damage and a little critical from the Julianos so your DPS is a little less (maybe 5%). I usually wear the Seducer on my Templar and let my Nightblade have the Julianos as his sustain is a lot better with Siphoning Attacks.

Question: Soulshine (yes, that VR10 set) doesn't increase your magicka on channeling/casting ? I know it gives peanuts as Spell Dmg, but I think it could be an option for templars if ZOs increase its level to VR16...

You can have 5 soulshine + 5 julianos/kagre + 1 or 2 kena

Reorx_Holybeard · February 2016

Xvorg wrote: »

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

@Reorx_Holybeard, The build above, how do you find sustain with that? Obviously 30 - 40 second encounters would be fine but do you run into magic resource issues when you're doing say a 1 - 2 minute fight?

With that set sustain is a little rough with magicka recovery around 700. For longer fights, like vMSA, you can manage OK with Channeled Focus, Harness Magicka and potions, especially once you get a few 100 CPs.

However, if you swap the x5 Julianos for x5 Seducer sustain becomes a lot better even without Rune/potions (see build here). You lose some spell damage and a little critical from the Julianos so your DPS is a little less (maybe 5%). I usually wear the Seducer on my Templar and let my Nightblade have the Julianos as his sustain is a lot better with Siphoning Attacks.

Question: Soulshine (yes, that VR10 set) doesn't increase your magicka on channeling/casting ? I know it gives peanuts as Spell Dmg, but I think it could be an option for templars if ZOs increase its level to VR16...

You can have 5 soulshine + 5 julianos/kagre + 1 or 2 kena

Interesting choice...the main downside is it being limited to v10 so you're losing out on some stats. You'd get 308 spell damage when casting/channelling but lose out a few 1000 magicka and spell damage from the jewerly enchants. Might turn out to be a net gain though.