Should 'Meteor' be reflect-able?

Heatley2142

DannyLV702

No

It's an ultimate that's a pain in the ass to get, mostly for console players. At this point it is completely useless in trying to hit zergs with it because I always get unlucky and catch a god damn DK with it. This is probably the best choice they've made in a while. It's also ridiculous that my NB can simply cloak away and not take any damage, that needs to change too.

Didgerion

No

No, just make it on par with other ultimates. Nerfing its snare from 85% to 50% is a good start.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yes

Didgerion wrote: »

No, just make it on par with other ultimates. Nerfing the snare from 85% to 50% is a good start.

Really ? On par with the other ultimate ? You know that's ZOS excuses too. Thing is overload is still reflectable dragons leap and death stroke can be dodge and not only that but side stepped to avoid and dragon knight standers and nova can be easily avoid by taking 3 steps in any direction and they don't snare soul assault can be broken by going behind a wall or dodge rolling backwards once.

No Meteor was already on par with every other ultimate in the game being reflectable now it's the "I win" ultimate which I am calling for it's nerf after a week or 2 on live because of all the spam players are gonna be doing cause hey it's a I win ultimate.

Don't even say block the DOT and snare still go through and yes the targeted player may have been able to block it but what about the 2 or 3 guys next to them ? What is every body just supposed to have block up 24/7 now ?

ToRelax

Yes

I'll say yes here because it would be better if it was reflectable than stay as is. But really, it should be a ranged ground target AoE (like Nova for example) and then not reflectable ofc.

Mojmir

reflectable no, spammable no

Draxys

Yes

DannyLV702 wrote: »

It's an ultimate that's a pain in the ass to get, mostly for console players. At this point it is completely useless in trying to hit zergs with it because I always get unlucky and catch a god damn DK with it. This is probably the best choice they've made in a while. It's also ridiculous that my NB can simply cloak away and not take any damage, that needs to change too.

Useless logic. Something being "annoying" to get is no reason for it to not have a hard counter. I already think it's ridiculous for it to not be dodged, but I do think the timing on it dropping would need to be adjusted for that to happen.

CamBam370

Yes

Yup

Alucardo

Yes

Absofreakinglutely.

NativeJoe

No

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

No, just make it on par with other ultimates. Nerfing the snare from 85% to 50% is a good start.

Really ? On par with the other ultimate ? You know that's ZOS excuses too. Thing is overload is still reflectable dragons leap and death stroke can be dodge and not only that but side stepped to avoid and dragon knight standers and nova can be easily avoid by taking 3 steps in any direction and they don't snare soul assault can be broken by going behind a wall or dodge rolling backwards once.

No Meteor was already on par with every other ultimate in the game being reflectable now it's the "I win" ultimate which I am calling for it's nerf after a week or 2 on live because of all the spam players are gonna be doing cause hey it's a I win ultimate.

Don't even say block the DOT and snare still go through and yes the targeted player may have been able to block it but what about the 2 or 3 guys next to them ? What is every body just supposed to have block up 24/7 now ?

You know, you bring up a valid point!!!!

Now lets make overload non-reflectable!

*muahahahahahahahahahahaha*

RAGUNAnoOne

Yes

It's too good it combines everything that is good in an ultimate and makes them better the ONLY thing that prevented EVERYONE from using whenever they had the chance it was the fact that it can be knocked right back into your face. I bet I am going to get kicked from groups if I don't use it now...

RAGUNAnoOne

Yes

DannyLV702 wrote: »

It's an ultimate that's a pain in the ass to get, mostly for console players. At this point it is completely useless in trying to hit zergs with it because I always get unlucky and catch a god damn DK with it. This is probably the best choice they've made in a while. It's also ridiculous that my NB can simply cloak away and not take any damage, that needs to change too.

it will be changed you won't be able to cloak at all if someone marks you first

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yes

NativeJoe wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

No, just make it on par with other ultimates. Nerfing the snare from 85% to 50% is a good start.

Really ? On par with the other ultimate ? You know that's ZOS excuses too. Thing is overload is still reflectable dragons leap and death stroke can be dodge and not only that but side stepped to avoid and dragon knight standers and nova can be easily avoid by taking 3 steps in any direction and they don't snare soul assault can be broken by going behind a wall or dodge rolling backwards once.

No Meteor was already on par with every other ultimate in the game being reflectable now it's the "I win" ultimate which I am calling for it's nerf after a week or 2 on live because of all the spam players are gonna be doing cause hey it's a I win ultimate.

Don't even say block the DOT and snare still go through and yes the targeted player may have been able to block it but what about the 2 or 3 guys next to them ? What is every body just supposed to have block up 24/7 now ?

You know, you bring up a valid point!!!!

Now lets make overload non-reflectable!

*muahahahahahahahahahahaha*

Then dragons leap should lock some one in place like a gap closer when used and nova and standers should CC and snare for 90% and of course soul assault should have a 150% spell penetration and snare for 95% and while were at id make dawnbreaker deal that extra damage to every one not just undead and daedra and boost the passive weapon damage increases to 50%. Now the rest of the ultimates are on par with Meteor

Anzriel

No

I don't really think ultimates in general should be reflectable, although I can understand a spammable one like overload. It would also be nice if leap couldn't be dodged by just walking out of the hit. Also stamina users need more physical ultimates. Ultimates in general need quite a bit of work.

ToRelax

Yes

Anzriel wrote: »

I don't really think ultimates in general should be reflectable, although I can understand a spammable one like overload. It would also be nice if leap couldn't be dodged by just walking out of the hit. Also stamina users need more physical ultimates. Ultimates in general need quite a bit of work.

I don't quite see how it's a good idea to completely remove any counters to a skill...

Cody

Yes

i dont see any issue with it being reflectable. yes it can be blocked, but its not that easy to block it if one has someone else bombarding them with ranged abilities such as force shock while the meteor comes, for people without shield passives thats pretty much a stamina killer.

now meteor will be truly undodgable. I can already see mana blades marking their NB enemies then using meteor. get ready everyone, the meteor showers will be glorious

Cody

Yes

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

No, just make it on par with other ultimates. Nerfing the snare from 85% to 50% is a good start.

Really ? On par with the other ultimate ? You know that's ZOS excuses too. Thing is overload is still reflectable dragons leap and death stroke can be dodge and not only that but side stepped to avoid and dragon knight standers and nova can be easily avoid by taking 3 steps in any direction and they don't snare soul assault can be broken by going behind a wall or dodge rolling backwards once.

No Meteor was already on par with every other ultimate in the game being reflectable now it's the "I win" ultimate which I am calling for it's nerf after a week or 2 on live because of all the spam players are gonna be doing cause hey it's a I win ultimate.

Don't even say block the DOT and snare still go through and yes the targeted player may have been able to block it but what about the 2 or 3 guys next to them ? What is every body just supposed to have block up 24/7 now ?

You know, you bring up a valid point!!!!

Now lets make overload non-reflectable!

*muahahahahahahahahahahaha*

Then dragons leap should lock some one in place like a gap closer when used and nova and standers should CC and snare for 90% and of course soul assault should have a 150% spell penetration and snare for 95% and while were at id make dawnbreaker deal that extra damage to every one not just undead and daedra and boost the passive weapon damage increases to 50%. Now the rest of the ultimates are on par with Meteor

banner actually used to snare people if I recall correctly. nova too, i dont know why ZOS removed them.

RoamingRiverElk

Yes

If it's not reflectable nor dodgeable, its initial hit should only do about 65% of the damage it currently does.

LegendaryMage

Destro/Resto sorcerers always had to deal with meteor being 'non-reflectable', meaning that once you see it coming, it's coming no matter what. You block and move away from the AOE.

Now all other classes will have to do the same and there's no problem there at all. Templars cannot purge it anymore, dks cannot reflect it and only NBs can cloak it so far. Meteor on its own (ice comet, more damage morph) does not do any more damage than a dawnbreaker, and dawn is instant and much more unpredictable.

RoamingRiverElk

Yes

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Destro/Resto sorcerers always had to deal with meteor being 'non-reflectable', meaning that once you see it coming, it's coming no matter what. You block and move away from the AOE.

Now all other classes will have to do the same and there's no problem there at all. Templars cannot purge it anymore, dks cannot reflect it and only NBs can cloak it so far. Meteor on its own (ice comet, more damage morph) does not do any more damage than a dawnbreaker, and dawn is instant and much more unpredictable.

It indeed is not a problem for a sorcerer who can use hardened ward on top of their health. But as a dk, a meteor is much more of a problem. It doesn't matter if a sorc gets CC'd while blocking the meteor because the shield(s) are enough to absorb a lot of the damage. My sorc will indeed still be fine after this change. DK? Not so much.

lucky_Sage

Yes

if it cant be reflectable it should be dodge able if you cant pay attention to who your doing damage to you should get hit with your meteor

tennant94

No

nien

OdinForge

Yes

Either it should be reflect-able.

Or it should be changed to be more like nova, maybe with a faster drop speed. But give you the ability to move out of the impact radius before it hits.

One of the two.

Alucardo

Yes

There is no clear indication whether or not a meteor is a projectile, but looking at the speeds of projectiles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile#Typical_projectile_speeds) you can see "Object falling" and "space debris", which would mean a meteor/shooting star can be considered projectiles.
Either make it reflectable again or change the tooltip to read "Reflect projectiles, except meteor". I'm thinking the former sounds like a better option.

Jumper45

No

Its an effing meteor........Did everyone forget that? what the hell lol

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yes

Cody wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

No, just make it on par with other ultimates. Nerfing the snare from 85% to 50% is a good start.

Really ? On par with the other ultimate ? You know that's ZOS excuses too. Thing is overload is still reflectable dragons leap and death stroke can be dodge and not only that but side stepped to avoid and dragon knight standers and nova can be easily avoid by taking 3 steps in any direction and they don't snare soul assault can be broken by going behind a wall or dodge rolling backwards once.

No Meteor was already on par with every other ultimate in the game being reflectable now it's the "I win" ultimate which I am calling for it's nerf after a week or 2 on live because of all the spam players are gonna be doing cause hey it's a I win ultimate.

Don't even say block the DOT and snare still go through and yes the targeted player may have been able to block it but what about the 2 or 3 guys next to them ? What is every body just supposed to have block up 24/7 now ?

You know, you bring up a valid point!!!!

Now lets make overload non-reflectable!

*muahahahahahahahahahahaha*

Then dragons leap should lock some one in place like a gap closer when used and nova and standers should CC and snare for 90% and of course soul assault should have a 150% spell penetration and snare for 95% and while were at id make dawnbreaker deal that extra damage to every one not just undead and daedra and boost the passive weapon damage increases to 50%. Now the rest of the ultimates are on par with Meteor

banner actually used to snare people if I recall correctly. nova too, i dont know why ZOS removed them.

Nova as far as I know dose not snare and stander does still shackle just it's a synergy and the radius to activate it is so small you have to right on the stander to use it and it's just like a root one roll and their out.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yes

Jumper45 wrote: »

Its an effing meteor........Did everyone forget that? what the hell lol

And this is a fantasy game did every body pro-meteor forget that too ? DO NOT bring real life physics into the game and say "it's a meteor impossible to stop it IRL cause science".

Meteor reflectable again. 3 simple words that will prevent a lot of broken game play till march with U10 and stamina buffs.

Alucardo

Yes

Jumper45 wrote: »

Its an effing meteor........Did everyone forget that? what the hell lol

Can you pull meteors from the sky using your mind? No, I didn't think so.

PCheuk38b14_ESO

No

DK's have always been the dominant class in this game it's funny how DKs are complaining because they want to be stronger.

Alucardo

Yes

PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »

DK's have always been the dominant class in this game it's funny how DKs are complaining because they want to be stronger.

They reflect projectiles. Meteors are a projectile. It's not about wanting to be strong, it's about what is RIGHT. And as I said, if they intend to keep it like this they need to update the tooltip to state it excludes meteors or people not aware of the change will think it's a bug.

PCheuk38b14_ESO

No

Alucardo wrote: »

PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »

DK's have always been the dominant class in this game it's funny how DKs are complaining because they want to be stronger.

They reflect projectiles. Meteors are a projectile. It's not about wanting to be strong, it's about what is RIGHT. And as I said, if they intend to keep it like this they need to update the tooltip to state it excludes meteors or people not aware of the change will think it's a bug.

I'd agree with that point but reflecting meteor's cracks me up but at the same time DK's shouldn't be QQing. I voted No btw because I am selfish and want to see DK's suffer =P