Sorc build help

DEATHquidox

Okay so im a v16 sorc i have 5 pieve juli on and 4 magnus. 2 dual weild swords my spell damage buffed is 3k and my magicka is at 33k i have almost 70 points into bastion for cp (all my cp is in bastion) i run magicka det curse frags crit surge and mages fury and on my back bar i use mines/mist fourm harded ward harness magicka streak and healing ward. Yet i die so fast. Can anyone help me some? My swords arnt gold yet. Im working on that. But my gear is purple v15 for now. im also running the jewlery set arcane with the spell damage glyphs

catalyst10e

DEATHquidox wrote: »

Okay so im a v16 sorc i have 5 pieve juli on and 4 magnus. 2 dual weild swords my spell damage buffed is 3k and my magicka is at 33k i have almost 70 points into bastion for cp (all my cp is in bastion) i run magicka det curse frags crit surge and mages fury and on my back bar i use mines/mist fourm harded ward harness magicka streak and healing ward. Yet i die so fast. Can anyone help me some? My swords arnt gold yet. Im working on that. But my gear is purple v15 for now. im also running the jewlery set arcane with the spell damage glyphs

Well first, are you looking to do PVE or PVP?

I mostly PVP so this advise is more from that area of experience. I've found personal use with boundless storm, the speed boost is nice, activating it seems to remove the Minor Fracture debuff, the physical resistance has kept me alive a few times, and it's useful with streak against NBs as it makes it impossible for them to cloak up if you're constantly on them.

You could run like, 10 CP into Blessed, and it can help with healing ward heals and crystal frag blood magic heals.

If all your points are in Thaumaturge, Tangled webs is my main move. It's got great magic damage, plus a snare, and if you're in a group it's got a fear + damage synergy.

Hope this helps. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, running purple v14-15 gear, 250 CP, and I do alright.

DEATHquidox

catalyst10e wrote: »

DEATHquidox wrote: »

Okay so im a v16 sorc i have 5 pieve juli on and 4 magnus. 2 dual weild swords my spell damage buffed is 3k and my magicka is at 33k i have almost 70 points into bastion for cp (all my cp is in bastion) i run magicka det curse frags crit surge and mages fury and on my back bar i use mines/mist fourm harded ward harness magicka streak and healing ward. Yet i die so fast. Can anyone help me some? My swords arnt gold yet. Im working on that. But my gear is purple v15 for now. im also running the jewlery set arcane with the spell damage glyphs

Well first, are you looking to do PVE or PVP?

I mostly PVP so this advise is more from that area of experience. I've found personal use with boundless storm, the speed boost is nice, activating it seems to remove the Minor Fracture debuff, the physical resistance has kept me alive a few times, and it's useful with streak against NBs as it makes it impossible for them to cloak up if you're constantly on them.

You could run like, 10 CP into Blessed, and it can help with healing ward heals and crystal frag blood magic heals.

If all your points are in Thaumaturge, Tangled webs is my main move. It's got great magic damage, plus a snare, and if you're in a group it's got a fear + damage synergy.

Hope this helps. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, running purple v14-15 gear, 250 CP, and I do alright.

Yeah im pvp based been playing sense beta actually what tree is the webs under? Im maily a solo player and i play with storm a good bit is pretty nice to have im gonna be running 2 pieces of heavy with it soon to make boundless a bit better. I just need survival honestly. Damage is kinda bad atm to honestly.

paul_j

http://www.sypherpk.com/sorcerer-dual-wiel/

DEATHquidox

paul_j wrote: »

http://www.sypherpk.com/sorcerer-dual-wiel/

Im not using his build. I have my own its basically the same thing but this is king richards build way before it was his.

DEATHquidox

DEATHquidox wrote: »

paul_j wrote: »

http://www.sypherpk.com/sorcerer-dual-wiel/

Im not using his build. I have my own its basically the same thing but this is king richards build way before it was his.

Another problem is that kagrenacs is extremely hard to get. Ontop of that its not really worth having as much honestly

paul_j

What are you dying from?

DEATHquidox

paul_j wrote: »

What are you dying from?

Basically anything burst. Nb. Especially stam builds

DEATHquidox

DEATHquidox wrote: »

paul_j wrote: »

What are you dying from?

Basically anything burst. Nb. Especially stam builds

Cant do enough damage and cant take enough to stay alive

catalyst10e

DEATHquidox wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

DEATHquidox wrote: »

Okay so im a v16 sorc i have 5 pieve juli on and 4 magnus. 2 dual weild swords my spell damage buffed is 3k and my magicka is at 33k i have almost 70 points into bastion for cp (all my cp is in bastion) i run magicka det curse frags crit surge and mages fury and on my back bar i use mines/mist fourm harded ward harness magicka streak and healing ward. Yet i die so fast. Can anyone help me some? My swords arnt gold yet. Im working on that. But my gear is purple v15 for now. im also running the jewlery set arcane with the spell damage glyphs

Well first, are you looking to do PVE or PVP?

I mostly PVP so this advise is more from that area of experience. I've found personal use with boundless storm, the speed boost is nice, activating it seems to remove the Minor Fracture debuff, the physical resistance has kept me alive a few times, and it's useful with streak against NBs as it makes it impossible for them to cloak up if you're constantly on them.

You could run like, 10 CP into Blessed, and it can help with healing ward heals and crystal frag blood magic heals.

If all your points are in Thaumaturge, Tangled webs is my main move. It's got great magic damage, plus a snare, and if you're in a group it's got a fear + damage synergy.

Hope this helps. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, running purple v14-15 gear, 250 CP, and I do alright.

Yeah im pvp based been playing sense beta actually what tree is the webs under? Im maily a solo player and i play with storm a good bit is pretty nice to have im gonna be running 2 pieces of heavy with it soon to make boundless a bit better. I just need survival honestly. Damage is kinda bad atm to honestly.

Tangled webs is the morph of Trapping webs, level 2 undaunted, honestly doing a single dungeon to completion unlocks the webs so don't worry about having to grind dungeons. Tangled webs is a great proc for frag.

If NBs are your only real issue, I've found success with Defensive rune. (Morph of Rune Prison, Dark Magic tree) I've slotted Overload for the third bar and fill it with utility. Defensive rune you cast once, it lasts 60 seconds, and it'll CC them after their initial attack, preventing them from hitting you with 3 things at once. Recast it, and they'll hesitate to strike at you.

DEATHquidox

catalyst10e wrote: »

DEATHquidox wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

DEATHquidox wrote: »

Okay so im a v16 sorc i have 5 pieve juli on and 4 magnus. 2 dual weild swords my spell damage buffed is 3k and my magicka is at 33k i have almost 70 points into bastion for cp (all my cp is in bastion) i run magicka det curse frags crit surge and mages fury and on my back bar i use mines/mist fourm harded ward harness magicka streak and healing ward. Yet i die so fast. Can anyone help me some? My swords arnt gold yet. Im working on that. But my gear is purple v15 for now. im also running the jewlery set arcane with the spell damage glyphs

Well first, are you looking to do PVE or PVP?

I mostly PVP so this advise is more from that area of experience. I've found personal use with boundless storm, the speed boost is nice, activating it seems to remove the Minor Fracture debuff, the physical resistance has kept me alive a few times, and it's useful with streak against NBs as it makes it impossible for them to cloak up if you're constantly on them.

You could run like, 10 CP into Blessed, and it can help with healing ward heals and crystal frag blood magic heals.

If all your points are in Thaumaturge, Tangled webs is my main move. It's got great magic damage, plus a snare, and if you're in a group it's got a fear + damage synergy.

Hope this helps. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, running purple v14-15 gear, 250 CP, and I do alright.

Yeah im pvp based been playing sense beta actually what tree is the webs under? Im maily a solo player and i play with storm a good bit is pretty nice to have im gonna be running 2 pieces of heavy with it soon to make boundless a bit better. I just need survival honestly. Damage is kinda bad atm to honestly.

Tangled webs is the morph of Trapping webs, level 2 undaunted, honestly doing a single dungeon to completion unlocks the webs so don't worry about having to grind dungeons. Tangled webs is a great proc for frag.

If NBs are your only real issue, I've found success with Defensive rune. (Morph of Rune Prison, Dark Magic tree) I've slotted Overload for the third bar and fill it with utility. Defensive rune you cast once, it lasts 60 seconds, and it'll CC them after their initial attack, preventing them from hitting you with 3 things at once. Recast it, and they'll hesitate to strike at you.

True. I havent thought about that. Amazing.

notimetocare

DEATHquidox wrote: »

DEATHquidox wrote: »

paul_j wrote: »

http://www.sypherpk.com/sorcerer-dual-wiel/

Im not using his build. I have my own its basically the same thing but this is king richards build way before it was his.

Another problem is that kagrenacs is extremely hard to get. Ontop of that its not really worth having as much honestly

Kag's is pretty easy. Most long time crafters can make it

ToRelax

So you don't have good regen, not magicka with your cp but especially not stamina, and you don't have a lot of cc or defensive buffs. No wonder you're dieing fast.
Firstly, have you tested running a staff instead of dualwield? If not, you should definitely do that before you upgrade those swords. Then, get some regen. Kagrenac's would be your standard choice instead of Julianos, you don't use Julianos without a clear idea what you're doing. It's so onesided, you need to know how to build your character then, what regen you will get etc. Anyway, 5 Kagrenac's, 3 or 5 Willow's Path, 1 Bloodspawn, all viable options. You are still running around in v15 gear, so use that to experiment before using up 10 times as many mats for v16.
Now if for glyphs you are running spell damage - simply swap as many as needed to magicka cost reduction, one after another until you're comfortable. That not only helps you more with Streak than regen, wich you will need when you're not very experienced yet. Regen will become a good choice with more cp in arcanist though. If you need more stamina, you can use stam regen glyphs instead ofc, though i'd start with the bonuses from 3/5 willow's and 1 bloodspawn.

Now for your skills. Basically, you're making yourself extremely vulnerable, since you don't have a single defensive buff and your control is mostly limited to mines and streak. Mistform is nice when you have a spot for it, but while you're not using it, vampirism is just making you squishier, so better get rid of it if that's ok with you. You can put Overload on your resto bar to store some buffs and mines there (my overload bar looks like [mines; prox det; hardened ward; surge; streak] for example - with hardened ward and streak being to make it useable while the others are only slotted on overload to get space).
Then I'd put at least hardened ward, if not also harness magicka on your first bar, that way you dont have to swap around bars so much when trying to go offensive and are faster to cast a shield when needed. However keep in mind this means giving up the stam regen on your resto bar if you dont get curse over there (what i would do as well). Going that way, it makes a lot of sense to have both inevitable detonation and curse on your resto bar to stack them, that way it doesnt mitigate the effectiveness of your bursts. If you need a defensive ultimate and drop vamp, try greater atronach, otherwise dawnbreaker or meteor for more burst.

Hope this helps a bit.

RoamingRiverElk

Torelax has some great advice and I learned a lot about playing a magicka sorc from him. What follows now is a mix of that and my own experiences about what I actually do with the skills at my disposal.

Ok so you said that you die from stamina burst. I think usually when I'm faced with a very hard hitting stamina nb that gets the advantage of attacking me first, I first have to get myself back to a balanced state before I can start attacking. Storm Atronach can give you a much needed boost in that kind of a scenario, if you have time to cast it between renewing Hardened Ward and using Healing Ward. Stamina regen is important because that way, you can buy time by dodge rolling when you see a burst coming or just are in low health and want to try to avoid being executed. Do try having some bonuses from sets/enchants to stamina regen, even if most sorc builds don't seem to have that. Another thing that buys you time to get back 'in balance' is streaking through the nightblade.

Once you're not directly in danger of dying immediately, then you can start setting up burst and putting pressure on the nb by using mines (mines isn't bad as a defensive action sooner too, but I think you have to have the situation in control enough... can't use mines if your shields need refreshing immediately), proxy detonation, curse, streak, weaving crushing shock, ultimates... Also, a magicka sorc's strength is that it can use different skills which will then go off and do their damage at the same time due to the way their damage is delayed - detonation - curse - meteor - mages fury - mines - these all do damage not when you cast them, but when the timer is up or when the unfortunate soul rolls into your mines. Another thing to use while you're still trying to get back in to balance is proxy det, but once again - only if you're not in direct danger of dying within the next two seconds.

Also, do pay a lot of attention first that you always, always, *always* have Hardened Ward at 50% or stronger up, until you feel more confident about surviving. You must not let your shield go down, if it does, it must be renewed immediately. And if you just used another skill and the skill use cooldown is in effect - remember the power of the dodge roll. It is a very important defensive action. Also, while you shouldn't in general block while using a staff, sometimes when I for whatever reason don't have a damage shield up for a tiny bit, I may in that situation block until I get the hardened ward up with the next skill that I use if I don't want to dodge roll. You should always block Meteor though, sometimes you can also block Crystal Fragments if you don't want to get CCd right then, or block one wrecking blow (you cannot however rely on just blocking every single wb, you must use movement, shields, mines, streak etc. for that). But the key is to block extremely selectively, and mostly, simply, not block and instead use your stamina for breaking free and dodge rolling.

In open world, use line of sight to your advantage - streak + dodge roll behind a rock formation, tree, get yourself on top of a rock formation and drop down a bit so that they can't hit you right away because the top part of the rock is between you, etc.

Also, due to the way I use mines and detonation, they are usually on my primary bars instead of the overload bar, because when you want to use them defensively when you're in trouble, trying to access them from the overload bar is very dangerous.

DEATHquidox

ToRelax wrote: »

So you don't have good regen, not magicka with your cp but especially not stamina, and you don't have a lot of cc or defensive buffs. No wonder you're dieing fast.
Firstly, have you tested running a staff instead of dualwield? If not, you should definitely do that before you upgrade those swords. Then, get some regen. Kagrenac's would be your standard choice instead of Julianos, you don't use Julianos without a clear idea what you're doing. It's so onesided, you need to know how to build your character then, what regen you will get etc. Anyway, 5 Kagrenac's, 3 or 5 Willow's Path, 1 Bloodspawn, all viable options. You are still running around in v15 gear, so use that to experiment before using up 10 times as many mats for v16.
Now if for glyphs you are running spell damage - simply swap as many as needed to magicka cost reduction, one after another until you're comfortable. That not only helps you more with Streak than regen, wich you will need when you're not very experienced yet. Regen will become a good choice with more cp in arcanist though. If you need more stamina, you can use stam regen glyphs instead ofc, though i'd start with the bonuses from 3/5 willow's and 1 bloodspawn.

Now for your skills. Basically, you're making yourself extremely vulnerable, since you don't have a single defensive buff and your control is mostly limited to mines and streak. Mistform is nice when you have a spot for it, but while you're not using it, vampirism is just making you squishier, so better get rid of it if that's ok with you. You can put Overload on your resto bar to store some buffs and mines there (my overload bar looks like [mines; prox det; hardened ward; surge; streak] for example - with hardened ward and streak being to make it useable while the others are only slotted on overload to get space).
Then I'd put at least hardened ward, if not also harness magicka on your first bar, that way you dont have to swap around bars so much when trying to go offensive and are faster to cast a shield when needed. However keep in mind this means giving up the stam regen on your resto bar if you dont get curse over there (what i would do as well). Going that way, it makes a lot of sense to have both inevitable detonation and curse on your resto bar to stack them, that way it doesnt mitigate the effectiveness of your bursts. If you need a defensive ultimate and drop vamp, try greater atronach, otherwise dawnbreaker or meteor for more burst.

Hope this helps a bit.

I use streak to stun and I've tested a lot I haven't messed with staff much except before ic I've been playing on ps4 sense beta so I have a pretty good idea of what I'm doing I just don't like how it is now I don't have as much champ points as every one else so it's harder for me I use Tri Stat pots for Stam and stuff I'm going for a high burst build with shield survival but I don't know how to go about it yet honestly. I like the spell damage that juli gives and kags. Is only good because of the regin it gives. And I'm not worried about it cause I can make up for it with pots. Not bad I just don't see how I'm saposed to have my only way of staying alive be destroyed by 1 ability by other classes. I don't have any heavy armor on and I know I need to. That's my next adventure lol

ToRelax

DEATHquidox wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

So you don't have good regen, not magicka with your cp but especially not stamina, and you don't have a lot of cc or defensive buffs. No wonder you're dieing fast.
Firstly, have you tested running a staff instead of dualwield? If not, you should definitely do that before you upgrade those swords. Then, get some regen. Kagrenac's would be your standard choice instead of Julianos, you don't use Julianos without a clear idea what you're doing. It's so onesided, you need to know how to build your character then, what regen you will get etc. Anyway, 5 Kagrenac's, 3 or 5 Willow's Path, 1 Bloodspawn, all viable options. You are still running around in v15 gear, so use that to experiment before using up 10 times as many mats for v16.
Now if for glyphs you are running spell damage - simply swap as many as needed to magicka cost reduction, one after another until you're comfortable. That not only helps you more with Streak than regen, wich you will need when you're not very experienced yet. Regen will become a good choice with more cp in arcanist though. If you need more stamina, you can use stam regen glyphs instead ofc, though i'd start with the bonuses from 3/5 willow's and 1 bloodspawn.

Now for your skills. Basically, you're making yourself extremely vulnerable, since you don't have a single defensive buff and your control is mostly limited to mines and streak. Mistform is nice when you have a spot for it, but while you're not using it, vampirism is just making you squishier, so better get rid of it if that's ok with you. You can put Overload on your resto bar to store some buffs and mines there (my overload bar looks like [mines; prox det; hardened ward; surge; streak] for example - with hardened ward and streak being to make it useable while the others are only slotted on overload to get space).
Then I'd put at least hardened ward, if not also harness magicka on your first bar, that way you dont have to swap around bars so much when trying to go offensive and are faster to cast a shield when needed. However keep in mind this means giving up the stam regen on your resto bar if you dont get curse over there (what i would do as well). Going that way, it makes a lot of sense to have both inevitable detonation and curse on your resto bar to stack them, that way it doesnt mitigate the effectiveness of your bursts. If you need a defensive ultimate and drop vamp, try greater atronach, otherwise dawnbreaker or meteor for more burst.

Hope this helps a bit.

I use streak to stun and I've tested a lot I haven't messed with staff much except before ic I've been playing on ps4 sense beta so I have a pretty good idea of what I'm doing I just don't like how it is now I don't have as much champ points as every one else so it's harder for me I use Tri Stat pots for Stam and stuff I'm going for a high burst build with shield survival but I don't know how to go about it yet honestly. I like the spell damage that juli gives and kags. Is only good because of the regin it gives. And I'm not worried about it cause I can make up for it with pots. Not bad I just don't see how I'm saposed to have my only way of staying alive be destroyed by 1 ability by other classes. I don't have any heavy armor on and I know I need to. That's my next adventure lol

With potions you may be able to break free every 8 seconds, but if enemies can break your Ward that fast, dodging some attacks seems like a good idea. Buffs like Lightning Form and Shuffle help tremendously with survivability, too. Also I find it very odd how you now insist on knowing your stuff. But whatever, doesn't concern me.

Thelon

DEATHquidox wrote: »

I don't have any heavy armor on and I know I need to. That's my next adventure lol

You don't need heavy armor to survive as a Sorc in pvp. Just run 5 light, 1 medium and 1 heavy to satisfy the requirements for the passive Undaunted Mettle

CaptainVenom

Defensive Rune can be a good idea as a buff during pvp. It will stun any sneaky nb trying to attack you by surprise.

DEATHquidox

Thelon wrote: »

DEATHquidox wrote: »

I don't have any heavy armor on and I know I need to. That's my next adventure lol

You don't need heavy armor to survive as a Sorc in pvp. Just run 5 light, 1 medium and 1 heavy to satisfy the requirements for the passive Undaunted Mettle

I use to run 2 heavy 5 light I don't do dungeness nor do I have many friends to do all of them with so I was just running 2 heavy 5 light it would be nice to have those passives tho

DEATHquidox

ToRelax wrote: »

DEATHquidox wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

So you don't have good regen, not magicka with your cp but especially not stamina, and you don't have a lot of cc or defensive buffs. No wonder you're dieing fast.
Firstly, have you tested running a staff instead of dualwield? If not, you should definitely do that before you upgrade those swords. Then, get some regen. Kagrenac's would be your standard choice instead of Julianos, you don't use Julianos without a clear idea what you're doing. It's so onesided, you need to know how to build your character then, what regen you will get etc. Anyway, 5 Kagrenac's, 3 or 5 Willow's Path, 1 Bloodspawn, all viable options. You are still running around in v15 gear, so use that to experiment before using up 10 times as many mats for v16.
Now if for glyphs you are running spell damage - simply swap as many as needed to magicka cost reduction, one after another until you're comfortable. That not only helps you more with Streak than regen, wich you will need when you're not very experienced yet. Regen will become a good choice with more cp in arcanist though. If you need more stamina, you can use stam regen glyphs instead ofc, though i'd start with the bonuses from 3/5 willow's and 1 bloodspawn.

Now for your skills. Basically, you're making yourself extremely vulnerable, since you don't have a single defensive buff and your control is mostly limited to mines and streak. Mistform is nice when you have a spot for it, but while you're not using it, vampirism is just making you squishier, so better get rid of it if that's ok with you. You can put Overload on your resto bar to store some buffs and mines there (my overload bar looks like [mines; prox det; hardened ward; surge; streak] for example - with hardened ward and streak being to make it useable while the others are only slotted on overload to get space).
Then I'd put at least hardened ward, if not also harness magicka on your first bar, that way you dont have to swap around bars so much when trying to go offensive and are faster to cast a shield when needed. However keep in mind this means giving up the stam regen on your resto bar if you dont get curse over there (what i would do as well). Going that way, it makes a lot of sense to have both inevitable detonation and curse on your resto bar to stack them, that way it doesnt mitigate the effectiveness of your bursts. If you need a defensive ultimate and drop vamp, try greater atronach, otherwise dawnbreaker or meteor for more burst.

Hope this helps a bit.

I use streak to stun and I've tested a lot I haven't messed with staff much except before ic I've been playing on ps4 sense beta so I have a pretty good idea of what I'm doing I just don't like how it is now I don't have as much champ points as every one else so it's harder for me I use Tri Stat pots for Stam and stuff I'm going for a high burst build with shield survival but I don't know how to go about it yet honestly. I like the spell damage that juli gives and kags. Is only good because of the regin it gives. And I'm not worried about it cause I can make up for it with pots. Not bad I just don't see how I'm saposed to have my only way of staying alive be destroyed by 1 ability by other classes. I don't have any heavy armor on and I know I need to. That's my next adventure lol

With potions you may be able to break free every 8 seconds, but if enemies can break your Ward that fast, dodging some attacks seems like a good idea. Buffs like Lightning Form and Shuffle help tremendously with survivability, too. Also I find it very odd how you now insist on knowing your stuff. But whatever, doesn't concern me.

I don't know everything. That's why I was asking but dodge rolling 1 time will stop me from being able to break free because I don't have high stam regin. It was an area of question as in what people run om their sorcs to make them so high survival and damage all at once. I want insisting that I knew everything about the class fam. AND Im a solo player mainly and all I do is pvp. I was trying to figure out how to take on 2+ people because everyone runs in groups and zergs in this game and it's annoying to fight everyone and I don't like big groups because of the sheer lag that we call auras star. I wasn't trying to say I know everything. Obviously I'm asking for help but I'm trying to figure out what will help my build I'm not looking for another build

DEATHquidox

ToRelax wrote: »

DEATHquidox wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

So you don't have good regen, not magicka with your cp but especially not stamina, and you don't have a lot of cc or defensive buffs. No wonder you're dieing fast.
Firstly, have you tested running a staff instead of dualwield? If not, you should definitely do that before you upgrade those swords. Then, get some regen. Kagrenac's would be your standard choice instead of Julianos, you don't use Julianos without a clear idea what you're doing. It's so onesided, you need to know how to build your character then, what regen you will get etc. Anyway, 5 Kagrenac's, 3 or 5 Willow's Path, 1 Bloodspawn, all viable options. You are still running around in v15 gear, so use that to experiment before using up 10 times as many mats for v16.
Now if for glyphs you are running spell damage - simply swap as many as needed to magicka cost reduction, one after another until you're comfortable. That not only helps you more with Streak than regen, wich you will need when you're not very experienced yet. Regen will become a good choice with more cp in arcanist though. If you need more stamina, you can use stam regen glyphs instead ofc, though i'd start with the bonuses from 3/5 willow's and 1 bloodspawn.

Now for your skills. Basically, you're making yourself extremely vulnerable, since you don't have a single defensive buff and your control is mostly limited to mines and streak. Mistform is nice when you have a spot for it, but while you're not using it, vampirism is just making you squishier, so better get rid of it if that's ok with you. You can put Overload on your resto bar to store some buffs and mines there (my overload bar looks like [mines; prox det; hardened ward; surge; streak] for example - with hardened ward and streak being to make it useable while the others are only slotted on overload to get space).
Then I'd put at least hardened ward, if not also harness magicka on your first bar, that way you dont have to swap around bars so much when trying to go offensive and are faster to cast a shield when needed. However keep in mind this means giving up the stam regen on your resto bar if you dont get curse over there (what i would do as well). Going that way, it makes a lot of sense to have both inevitable detonation and curse on your resto bar to stack them, that way it doesnt mitigate the effectiveness of your bursts. If you need a defensive ultimate and drop vamp, try greater atronach, otherwise dawnbreaker or meteor for more burst.

Hope this helps a bit.

I use streak to stun and I've tested a lot I haven't messed with staff much except before ic I've been playing on ps4 sense beta so I have a pretty good idea of what I'm doing I just don't like how it is now I don't have as much champ points as every one else so it's harder for me I use Tri Stat pots for Stam and stuff I'm going for a high burst build with shield survival but I don't know how to go about it yet honestly. I like the spell damage that juli gives and kags. Is only good because of the regin it gives. And I'm not worried about it cause I can make up for it with pots. Not bad I just don't see how I'm saposed to have my only way of staying alive be destroyed by 1 ability by other classes. I don't have any heavy armor on and I know I need to. That's my next adventure lol

With potions you may be able to break free every 8 seconds, but if enemies can break your Ward that fast, dodging some attacks seems like a good idea. Buffs like Lightning Form and Shuffle help tremendously with survivability, too. Also I find it very odd how you now insist on knowing your stuff. But whatever, doesn't concern me.

I think once I get gold swords I'll see a bigger difference. Till then its just gonna be bleh honestly

RoamingRiverElk

If you have stamina issues, why would you be running 2 heavy 5 light instead of 2 med 5 light? Your shields don't inherit your armor and spell penetration, and heavy armor passives are awful. And on the other hand, if you're trying to maximize damage, why aren't you running 5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy to maximize your max stats?

I doubt the gold swords will make enough of an impact. They will help your burst damage a bit, but in the end the difference is not going to be so huge because you can't only count on being able to burst someone as a means of survival - the difference the swords will make will not guarantee bursting enemies in seconds - at least people who know what they're doing.

DEATHquidox

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

If you have stamina issues, why would you be running 2 heavy 5 light instead of 2 med 5 light? Your shields don't inherit your armor and spell penetration, and heavy armor passives are awful. And on the other hand, if you're trying to maximize damage, why aren't you running 5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy to maximize your max stats?

I doubt the gold swords will make enough of an impact. They will help your burst damage a bit, but in the end the difference is not going to be so huge because you can't only count on being able to burst someone as a means of survival - the difference the swords will make will not guarantee bursting enemies in seconds - at least people who know what they're doing.

It's a long story and I'm not making any sense but I don't have the passives for the undaunted so 1 med 1 heavy and 5 light dosent matter much

Saint314Louis1985

hardened ward on both bars helped me alot along with healing ward on resto bar. i dont bother with harness magicka.

i also prefer a flame staff over dw swords. you regain ultimate so much faster which i feel is important.

i like to use shattering prison to throw off my enemies burst and make them drain stam. I like prison because it cc's more than 1 at a time if im outnumbered. Also, it can really change the tide in a group battle.

especially on nbs, if you have meteor ready or can survive long enough to enable it, throw curse, then pop meteor then streak through the enemies so they cant block. it will absolutely change the battle in your favor. i dont have proxy det on my sorc yet but i could imagine if you timed it with a meteor burst it could be absolutely devastating and kill/put your enemies on the defensive immediately which means you survive longer in the end.

DEATHquidox

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

If you have stamina issues, why would you be running 2 heavy 5 light instead of 2 med 5 light? Your shields don't inherit your armor and spell penetration, and heavy armor passives are awful. And on the other hand, if you're trying to maximize damage, why aren't you running 5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy to maximize your max stats?

I doubt the gold swords will make enough of an impact. They will help your burst damage a bit, but in the end the difference is not going to be so huge because you can't only count on being able to burst someone as a means of survival - the difference the swords will make will not guarantee bursting enemies in seconds - at least people who know what they're doing.

It's a long story and I'm not making any sense but I don't have the passives for the undaunted so 1 med 1 heavy and 5 light dosent matter much

DEATHquidox

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

hardened ward on both bars helped me alot along with healing ward on resto bar. i dont bother with harness magicka.

i also prefer a flame staff over dw swords. you regain ultimate so much faster which i feel is important.

i like to use shattering prison to throw off my enemies burst and make them drain stam. I like prison because it cc's more than 1 at a time if im outnumbered. Also, it can really change the tide in a group battle.

especially on nbs, if you have meteor ready or can survive long enough to enable it, throw curse, then pop meteor then streak through the enemies so they cant block. it will absolutely change the battle in your favor. i dont have proxy det on my sorc yet but i could imagine if you timed it with a meteor burst it could be absolutely devastating and kill/put your enemies on the defensive immediately which means you survive longer in the end.

That's a great idea honestly I haven't gotten metor yet tho sadly I haven't went for the books xD but it is what it is honestly how do you run ward on both bars? My main Bar is magic det curse power surge mage fury and frags

DEATHquidox

DEATHquidox wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

hardened ward on both bars helped me alot along with healing ward on resto bar. i dont bother with harness magicka.

i also prefer a flame staff over dw swords. you regain ultimate so much faster which i feel is important.

i like to use shattering prison to throw off my enemies burst and make them drain stam. I like prison because it cc's more than 1 at a time if im outnumbered. Also, it can really change the tide in a group battle.

especially on nbs, if you have meteor ready or can survive long enough to enable it, throw curse, then pop meteor then streak through the enemies so they cant block. it will absolutely change the battle in your favor. i dont have proxy det on my sorc yet but i could imagine if you timed it with a meteor burst it could be absolutely devastating and kill/put your enemies on the defensive immediately which means you survive longer in the end.

That's a great idea honestly I haven't gotten metor yet tho sadly I haven't went for the books xD but it is what it is honestly how do you run ward on both bars? My main Bar is magic det curse power surge mage fury and frags

I use power serge for the simple fact that you can cast it at any second and it lasts 33 seconds unlike entropy you have to cast on someone

Saint314Louis1985

to help answer your question about ward..

my bars are:

bar 1 inferno staff -
force pulse
streak
frags
curse
hardened ward
ult - meteor

bar 2 resto staff -
mines
shattering prison (will put prox det here when i unlock)
power surge
healing ward
hardened ward
ult - over load (dont use it too much unless im extremely low on magicka or in a group fight)

i dont use fury but might start using it once i get prox det. dont really need it as much as when using DW. force pulse, streak and hardened ward are usually enough to proc frags pretty often. force pulse weave does more dmg in my opinion and better for sustain. when i unlock prox det i will probably remove mines, put curse on back bar with prox det and slot fury on my dps bar (at least to test it out).

DEATHquidox

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

to help answer your question about ward..

my bars are:

bar 1 inferno staff -
force pulse
streak
frags
curse
hardened ward
ult - meteor

bar 2 resto staff -
mines
shattering prison (will put prox det here when i unlock)
power surge
healing ward
hardened ward
ult - over load (dont use it too much unless im extremely low on magicka or in a group fight)

i dont use fury but might start using it once i get prox det. dont really need it as much as when using DW. force pulse, streak and hardened ward are usually enough to proc frags pretty often. force pulse weave does more dmg in my opinion and better for sustain. when i unlock prox det i will probably remove mines, put curse on back bar with prox det and slot fury on my dps bar (at least to test it out).

Ive found that det and curse together can do alot of damage just in itself so if you can hit someone for 15k with just those 2 by the time those go off they are dead if that's what ur running. Buffed what's ur spell damage? And how much dam age do you think you do with force pulse? I've though about it just haven't really messed with it much cause I don't got money to test stuff haha xD anyways thank you for ur help I'll look into the force pulse and staff and see what I find cause right now I switched out surge for trapping webs and trapping does 6k per hit so I'm enjoying that and I threw surge on my back Bar