More Action Bars

Horus6

We need more action bars we've got access to tons of spells/abilities yet we can only use 6 of them. This is an mmorpg we should be able to stack bars or swap them with out having to change weapon sets lol.

I know people have wanted this since the game came out and others have gotten angry over the suggestion because they're not used to playing mmos but seriously its gone on long enough.

NewBlacksmurf

You may have made an incorrect assumption about what the game planned to offer
Since 2012....this has been the plan and we've seen no interest in that changing.

Sorry

Source - http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2012/10/24/dive-into-the-eso-preview-event-coverage

Annalyse

If you are a PC player, this addon allows you to make different skill bars and hotkey them so you can swap without changing weapons.

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info947-SWAPSContinued.html

wayfarerx

One of the best parts of this game's combat system IMO is the very small action bar and the ability to weapon swap. I would be very disappointed if they allowed us to fill our screen with 30 action bars like some other MMOs.

Horus6

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You may have made an incorrect assumption about what the game planned to offer
Since 2012....this has been the plan and we've seen no interest in that changing.

Sorry

Source - http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2012/10/24/dive-into-the-eso-preview-event-coverage

I make no Assumptions i've played this game since beta, just because i don't come on the forums means nothing. This has been complained about since day 1.

Horus6

wayfarerx wrote: »

One of the best parts of this game's combat system IMO is the very small action bar and the ability to weapon swap. I would be very disappointed if they allowed us to fill our screen with 30 action bars like some other MMOs.

And I'm still disappointed that I can't, and that's the point.

You wouldn't have to fill up your screen with action bars or add any spells/abilities if you don't want to, why?

Because they could do what pretty much every other mmorpg has and still does which is give players the option to add the action bars (or rather to make them visible and use them). So no it wouldn't effect your play style.

But being forced to only use a minuscule portion of what I have limits me and takes away from my experience

Horus6

Annalyse wrote: »

If you are a PC player, this addon allows you to make different skill bars and hotkey them so you can swap without changing weapons.

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info947-SWAPSContinued.html

thanks for the post mate I wasn't aware of this addon as I don't really use many !!!

catalyst10e

While I'd love to see something like the swap add-on that PC get an official console release, so i can have a PVP and a PVE set-up, adding more bars and giving everyone access to more abilities would just be problematic. Like what wayfarerx said, part of what makes the combat great is the limited number of skills you can slot and use.

Asmodean

Strictly speaking, I don't mind the amount of slots we've got on our bars. What does annoy me though, is having to 'take up' some of those precious slots with 'passive' stuff that provides a passive buff for having it on the bar.

Or stuff that is literally essential (eg: cloak for a NB) it's just unrealistic to not have it on your bar.

Basically what I mean is, I don't mind having the limited ability slots. But, I do find it frustrating when It gets filled with situational utility, and passives/buffs, etc. So you're left with 2 or so attacks you've to spam over and over.

I'd prefer if the slots were more for 'active' abilities... dunno. Maybe if we had 2 extra seperate slots, exclusively for utility, or something along those lines. It would also limit the amount of solo buff stacking people could do... but that also limits the freedom, I guess. So not all would like it.

Horus6

catalyst10e wrote: »

While I'd love to see something like the swap add-on that PC get an official console release, so i can have a PVP and a PVE set-up, adding more bars and giving everyone access to more abilities would just be problematic. Like what wayfarerx said, part of what makes the combat great is the limited number of skills you can slot and use.

How is that great though?

Also how would it impact your game play if every one had access to more actions bars?

Like I said you wouldn't have to use more nor should they always be visible they could simply add in the option to add more bars which would be a player choice not some thing that's forced on you, if you're worried about fighting some one with more spells/abilities that they can use..

That wouldn't really matter either as they would still lose magicka/stam at the same rate etc..

Bone_Demon

Before I get serious let me ask you a question. Are you serious OP?

Horus6

I've asked multiple times how it would negatively impact your game play because I'm genuinely trying to understand your point of view, hopefully you're willing to do the same for me

NewBlacksmurf

Horus6 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You may have made an incorrect assumption about what the game planned to offer
Since 2012....this has been the plan and we've seen no interest in that changing.

Sorry

Source - http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2012/10/24/dive-into-the-eso-preview-event-coverage

I make no Assumptions i've played this game since beta, just because i don't come on the forums means nothing. This has been complained about since day 1.

I think it does mean you're not familiar with the feedback on this idea you have that so many others have expressed.
I tthought to direct you to the source of the original design which per ZOS feedback is not in the works of changing or in consideration of being changed for the foreseeable future.

Everyone also says here....never say never....just sharing

Wollust

We don't need them. You need/want them.

Xeven

I would love to have one more slot per bar and/or instant weapon swap. It's my main beef with the game aside from latency.

catalyst10e

Horus6 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

While I'd love to see something like the swap add-on that PC get an official console release, so i can have a PVP and a PVE set-up, adding more bars and giving everyone access to more abilities would just be problematic. Like what wayfarerx said, part of what makes the combat great is the limited number of skills you can slot and use.

How is that great though?

Also how would it impact your game play if every one had access to more actions bars?

Like I said you wouldn't have to use more nor should they always be visible they could simply add in the option to add more bars which would be a player choice not some thing that's forced on you, if you're worried about fighting some one with more spells/abilities that they can use..

That wouldn't really matter either as they would still lose magicka/stam at the same rate etc..

Well as a Sorc who on occasion Shield Stacks, How much harder of an opponent would I be If I could use literally every defensive skill available, and every passive ability skill/toggle like magelight and camo hunter, and summon all my pets, and when hitting me would cause defensive rune to kick in?

"wouldn't have to use more bars" in PVP that wouldn't be true... your opponents would more or less force that option onto you, since they would also have access to tons of extra defense.

Mashille

No, we don't

Horus6

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Horus6 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You may have made an incorrect assumption about what the game planned to offer
Since 2012....this has been the plan and we've seen no interest in that changing.

Sorry

Source - http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2012/10/24/dive-into-the-eso-preview-event-coverage

I make no Assumptions i've played this game since beta, just because i don't come on the forums means nothing. This has been complained about since day 1.

I think it does mean you're not familiar with the feedback on this idea you have that so many others have expressed.
I tthought to direct you to the source of the original design which per ZOS feedback is not in the works of changing or in consideration of being changed for the foreseeable future.

Everyone also says here....never say never....just sharing

You seem to be under the impression that the official forums represents the will of the entire community, or that a post(s) from a dev means that every one agrees with this which leads me to believe you're new to the wonderful world of mmorpgs where the official forums never represent the entire community.

And the devs only ever cater to one group of players lol.

You've not once given any information as to why and or how this would negatively impact any ones game play so until you do why even bother posting things lol.

Horus6

Wollust wrote: »

We don't need them. You need/want them.

You don't need them implies I do, which I don't.

Do I want them yes I do, there is no reason why I should be forced to play with limited abilities and forced to swap weapons to use the others.

Just because you don't like the idea doesn't mean it's not a valid one, you also seem to be missing the point that using extra action bars in mmorpgs is always optional and never forced upon the player.

All you've done so far is say " I don't want em so you can't have em either " which is pointless as your'e not the only one that plays this game nor would having access to more action bars negatively impact your game play in any way shape or form...

Provide me with actual facts as to how it would harm your game play to have the OPTION of using more Acton bars and I will take you seriously.

Mashille

The limited number of abilities and bars is a GOOD thing. It means choosing each skill makes a large impact meaning people really think whether they want A or B and how they will benefit them

Xeven

Why is everyone so hostile? We need something to break the artificial skill cap placed on us by limited skill slots and woefully slow weapon swaps.

More skill slots would be a good thing. It brings more counters, more build diversity, more AOE to bust up ball groups. Just one more slot per bar could do some amazing things for this game.

Horus6

keybaud wrote: »

No, we don't

You're clearly trying to provoke a negative response from me it's also clear you don't actually care either way about this issue because you're not willing give any explanations or real comments, so I wont respond to you again feel free to continue wasting your own time by posting pointless comments lol.

KhajitFurTrader

There is no global cooldown client-side like in other MMOs, and this is by design. As long as there are sufficient resources available, abilities can be spammed. Given the usual amount of concurrent skills available in other MMOs, this would lead to a messaging problem for the server. ESO's combat is meant to be more dynamic, more twitchy, so 6/12 skills available at any given time is a good tradeoff: manageable client-server messaging not impeded by any GCD, and lots of interesting choices for players to mix and match their skills (with "interesting choices" being the definition of fun in games, according to Sid Meier).

Horus6

keybaud wrote: »

The limited number of abilities and bars is a GOOD thing. It means choosing each skill makes a large impact meaning people really think whether they want A or B and how they will benefit them

Okay you've finally given some thing worth responding to.

Sadly this in no way would negatively impact your game play, other peoples abilities have no impact on you, and again having the OPTION to use more action bars wouldn't effect you if you chose not to use them.

Before you tell me that other peoples abilities and spells effect you, in pvp let me assure you that they wouldn't beyond what they already do and even attempting to suggest other wise is a moot point.

You have how ever aided me in proving a small part of my point, I want to be able to use various different abilities at different times and I shouldn't be limited to using 6 of them just because a portion of the player base doesn't want any more.

catalyst10e

Everyone would just become togglemancers.... Getting low on HP? Swap to the healing bar, use every ability available and stack on HoTs, then back to the defensive bar, stack up them shields, before swapping to the nuke bar and unleashing hell in the form of every empowering move after the other. The purpose of having a limited number of bars means if you want to have a healing ability, you slot the one (or more) that will benefit you the most, while baring in mind it could also be taking up space for a damaging skill, or defensive one. Theres a risk/reward system there, there's Theory-crafting to be done, if it's all just open, There would JUST be the Stamina build and the Magicka build for each class. This is what I mean when I said even if it's optional to do so, your opponents within PVP will make it mandatory. They can heal using every skill but you've "chosen" to only use 2 bars and 1 healing skill, you're going to be left behind and also become a liability to the group you're in.

Slappah

Having the "option" to use extra action bars in a pvp scenario would become mandatory because someone who's using every ability from all 3 of their class trees plus all abilities from both their weapons is inherently more powerful than someone using the base 2 action bars we currently have.

You say it's optional.

Well, it wouldn't be. Either you use the extra bars or you get crapped on because you would be missing out on 30+ abilities

This isn't a tab target MMO, we don't need to have 50+ keybinds

Horus6

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

There is no global cooldown client-side like in other MMOs, and this is by design. As long as there are sufficient resources available, abilities can be spammed. Given the usual amount of concurrent skills available in other MMOs, this would lead to a messaging problem for the server. ESO's combat is meant to be more dynamic, more twitchy, so 6/12 skills available at any given time is a good tradeoff: manageable client-server messaging not impeded by any GCD, and lots of interesting choices for players to mix and match their skills (with "interesting choices" being the definition of fun in games, according to Sid Meier).

Global cool downs only apply to abilities and spells of the same type so that wouldn't really matter

Horus6

Yes I realize what you meant by global cool downs, and that term is used differently in various mmos. If you're talking wow style game play where you use 1 ability and all the others have a forced cool down of a 1-3 seconds etc..

You can already spam abilities here so, I can agree that may cause issues but only if wasn't implemented propperly.

Xeven

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

There is no global cooldown client-side like in other MMOs, and this is by design.

This is not the case. There is a one second global cooldown shared by all abilities. This means that your maximum ability casts per minute is 60.

Imagine Starcraft if APM was capped at 60. It's required because ESO is massively multiplayer while starcraft is not, however it is still an artificial cap on skill and speed which is further compounded by the extremely limited skill slots.

Fellhand_ESO

What about another skill bar that opens when you prepare a heavy attack? It would keep the ui clutter to a minimum and could add an extra 1 or 2 skill bars for players to use.

Horus6

And let me be clear on this as well, if were able to use 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,-,= that would be good enough for me.

Adding more action bars would just be more for keeping the screen clean, imagine one more to the side of the one that already exists.