Stamina Sorc Suggestions - A casual player's perspective

Didgerion

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

@Mojomonkeyman
How do you know his build if you didn't watched it?
You just don't know what you are talking about.

Mojomonkeyman

Didgerion wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

@Mojomonkeyman
How do you know his build if you didn't watched it?
You just don't know what you are talking about.

Some people in this world still read, sometimes. You know, forums & stuff. fengrush is not exactly shy on writing books on his expertise.

Didgerion

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

@Mojomonkeyman
How do you know his build if you didn't watched it?
You just don't know what you are talking about.

Some people in this world still read, sometimes. You know, forums & stuff.

Hey @FENGRUSH didn't know you write about your builds....damn...need to go to the library again...

FENGRUSH

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Tell us what you really think about your different build.

It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.

Any more snarky comments maybe?

I actually dont use HA clipping cause I... use molag kena! Youd know that if you actually watched my incredibly boring build!

I dont use only 2 hander for builds, but its hard to cut away from it in open world scenarios and be able to 1vX. S+B is your only other option, Id love to entertain the other options youve come up with, but the reality is they wont work on any player with a bit experience.

S+B is comparable to 2hander - the real difference is the window of burst on one vs the other. While they dont differ too largely, they differ in execute/closing time so yes - my open world build consists of 2hander. Also offers burst healing on retreat/midfight with surge that is reliable.

You want to insult me for using WB, but the reality is 2hander is very core to stam sorc because the gap closer is a guaranteed crit that always heals you. Something I explain in a lot of videos. I could do very well using just crit rush and making a DPS S+B bar as well, and I have done that. But the reality is I can tuck more utility on my bars by doing it the way I have set it up.

Sorry you dont find it appealing - I dont make build videos to show people 'how good I am'. I never intended to make build videos. I only did it after popular demand and getting the same question on stream 20x a day. It seems like youre just taking shots at me because you dont like me or what Ive popularized. I apologize our options are limited - but if you think otherwise you are either delusional or inexperienced.

My new builds (dueling builds) focus around bow and S+B. Youll be happy to see lots of non 2hander action Im sure. But it doesnt look like you know the builds too well if you said Im HA clipping, as Ive stressed the weaving of my attacks in my builds. You probably have just seen blips of combat.

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

I dont know why you think Im offended or coming off aggressive - its a pretty straight forward post to explain why 2hander is core to stam sorc. Its not because its easy, as I just explained. Crit rush and streak are the bread and butter of effective strikes on stam sorc.

You didnt watch a minute of my vids though but reiterate my build is boring, obvious, and lazy while simultaneously misrepresenting a very important point of "HA clipping" which most 2 hander builds will use - but I show in my builds why I do not.

Additionally, I didnt say you were delusional or inexperienced though actually - I said if you feel are options are *not* limited then you are delusional or inexperienced. All that is being said is there are 2 ways to cut out DPS on a stam sorc - literally. 2 Hander and S+B. And 2hander ties into stam sorc for reasons previously listed.

Ultimately youre making baseless insults to my builds/videos which youre entitled to do. But at least I have the opportunity to retort here on the forums. Youre really the one coming off aggravated which makes no difference to me. Im simply telling you how it is with this class, if you choose to disagree you can state why and lay out solutions that counter what Im saying. Otherwise you really have no argument other than you dont like someone whos posting builds that seem to be very effective in killing the masses on an underdog class.

For the record, Ive never lost to another stam sorc - feel free to bring your new and unique build to the table and duel if youd like. Not an ego trip - just an offer if you want to take jabs at my overly simplified monkeyswinging build.. here is your chance to prove to everyone otherwise. Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class.

FENGRUSH

Didgerion wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

@Mojomonkeyman
How do you know his build if you didn't watched it?
You just don't know what you are talking about.

Some people in this world still read, sometimes. You know, forums & stuff.

Hey @FENGRUSH didn't know you write about your builds....damn...need to go to the library again...

Yea I dont write my builds out on the forums in any real detail - I explain why certain skills are used at most. My builds are linked in the builds section if people want to find them. I answer questions in the comments section there if people want to know more typically.

dodgehopper_ESO

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Jar_Ek wrote: »

@Tormjolnir if you look back at my post history you'll see I have discussed stamina sorcerers a lot... Wrt Bolt Escape - I think DW needs a gap closer not sorcerers. DW is a freaking mess atm imo.

DW is pretty crappy because of rapid strikes - and even maelstrom weapons cant make it good. Flying dagger is a better option to pop in for damage honestly.

It also sucks because its a dot as well so it doesnt do much for sustaining health with crit surge. Have asked for this fix before in stam sorc changes. Dont worry - we only got nothing coming this patch.

The biggest annoyance about Flying blade for me is that it is easily reflected. I'm not a very big fan of the first two DW skills either, despite wishing they were more interesting. In my view DW really only has 3 skills worth mentioning, and 1 of them is worthless to two classes (Quick Cloak). Sorcerer is one of those classes that has no need for quick cloak (unless you're somehow building for a pbaoe pulse damage build to stack with steel tornado for farming or something, but I don't see that being so great in pvp). So I can see why @Fengrush says that DW doesn't offer much to Storcs. DW offers you a decent executing/dps skill in Flying Blade, but that skill also can be reflected whereas Wrecking Blow can't. The other skill is Steel Tornado which is a great skill, particularly in large groups but isn't as strong in a 1v1 scenario.

Mojomonkeyman

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Tell us what you really think about your different build.

It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.

Any more snarky comments maybe?

I actually dont use HA clipping cause I... use molag kena! Youd know that if you actually watched my incredibly boring build!

I dont use only 2 hander for builds, but its hard to cut away from it in open world scenarios and be able to 1vX. S+B is your only other option, Id love to entertain the other options youve come up with, but the reality is they wont work on any player with a bit experience.

S+B is comparable to 2hander - the real difference is the window of burst on one vs the other. While they dont differ too largely, they differ in execute/closing time so yes - my open world build consists of 2hander. Also offers burst healing on retreat/midfight with surge that is reliable.

You want to insult me for using WB, but the reality is 2hander is very core to stam sorc because the gap closer is a guaranteed crit that always heals you. Something I explain in a lot of videos. I could do very well using just crit rush and making a DPS S+B bar as well, and I have done that. But the reality is I can tuck more utility on my bars by doing it the way I have set it up.

Sorry you dont find it appealing - I dont make build videos to show people 'how good I am'. I never intended to make build videos. I only did it after popular demand and getting the same question on stream 20x a day. It seems like youre just taking shots at me because you dont like me or what Ive popularized. I apologize our options are limited - but if you think otherwise you are either delusional or inexperienced.

My new builds (dueling builds) focus around bow and S+B. Youll be happy to see lots of non 2hander action Im sure. But it doesnt look like you know the builds too well if you said Im HA clipping, as Ive stressed the weaving of my attacks in my builds. You probably have just seen blips of combat.

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

I dont know why you think Im offended or coming off aggressive - its a pretty straight forward post to explain why 2hander is core to stam sorc. Its not because its easy, as I just explained. Crit rush and streak are the bread and butter of effective strikes on stam sorc.

You didnt watch a minute of my vids though but reiterate my build is boring, obvious, and lazy while simultaneously misrepresenting a very important point of "HA clipping" which most 2 hander builds will use - but I show in my builds why I do not.

Additionally, I didnt say you were delusional or inexperienced though actually - I said if you feel are options are *not* limited then you are delusional or inexperienced. All that is being said is there are 2 ways to cut out DPS on a stam sorc - literally. 2 Hander and S+B. And 2hander ties into stam sorc for reasons previously listed.

Ultimately youre making baseless insults to my builds/videos which youre entitled to do. But at least I have the opportunity to retort here on the forums. Youre really the one coming off aggravated which makes no difference to me. Im simply telling you how it is with this class, if you choose to disagree you can state why and lay out solutions that counter what Im saying. Otherwise you really have no argument other than you dont like someone whos posting builds that seem to be very effective in killing the masses on an underdog class.

For the record, Ive never lost to another stam sorc - feel free to bring your new and unique build to the table and duel if youd like. Not an ego trip - just an offer if you want to take jabs at my overly simplified monkeyswinging build.. here is your chance to prove to everyone otherwise. Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class.

I guess anyone who knows me ingame can attest im almost never aggrevated, nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks. I´m just direct with my opinions since I dont like wasting time. I am not interested in discussing with your ego. You can go on and write another book taunting me and passively implying I wouldn`t know what I`m talking about.

My point stands, your setups evolving around 2h are, despite, no, because of the very obvious synergies, in my opinion, beginner builds - effective, but easy to execute and incredibly boring.

Do I have to repeat myself another time or can we just agree to disagree before your fingers get all sweaty from typing the next essay on your genius insights?

FENGRUSH

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Tell us what you really think about your different build.

It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.

Any more snarky comments maybe?

I actually dont use HA clipping cause I... use molag kena! Youd know that if you actually watched my incredibly boring build!

I dont use only 2 hander for builds, but its hard to cut away from it in open world scenarios and be able to 1vX. S+B is your only other option, Id love to entertain the other options youve come up with, but the reality is they wont work on any player with a bit experience.

S+B is comparable to 2hander - the real difference is the window of burst on one vs the other. While they dont differ too largely, they differ in execute/closing time so yes - my open world build consists of 2hander. Also offers burst healing on retreat/midfight with surge that is reliable.

You want to insult me for using WB, but the reality is 2hander is very core to stam sorc because the gap closer is a guaranteed crit that always heals you. Something I explain in a lot of videos. I could do very well using just crit rush and making a DPS S+B bar as well, and I have done that. But the reality is I can tuck more utility on my bars by doing it the way I have set it up.

Sorry you dont find it appealing - I dont make build videos to show people 'how good I am'. I never intended to make build videos. I only did it after popular demand and getting the same question on stream 20x a day. It seems like youre just taking shots at me because you dont like me or what Ive popularized. I apologize our options are limited - but if you think otherwise you are either delusional or inexperienced.

My new builds (dueling builds) focus around bow and S+B. Youll be happy to see lots of non 2hander action Im sure. But it doesnt look like you know the builds too well if you said Im HA clipping, as Ive stressed the weaving of my attacks in my builds. You probably have just seen blips of combat.

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

I dont know why you think Im offended or coming off aggressive - its a pretty straight forward post to explain why 2hander is core to stam sorc. Its not because its easy, as I just explained. Crit rush and streak are the bread and butter of effective strikes on stam sorc.

You didnt watch a minute of my vids though but reiterate my build is boring, obvious, and lazy while simultaneously misrepresenting a very important point of "HA clipping" which most 2 hander builds will use - but I show in my builds why I do not.

Additionally, I didnt say you were delusional or inexperienced though actually - I said if you feel are options are *not* limited then you are delusional or inexperienced. All that is being said is there are 2 ways to cut out DPS on a stam sorc - literally. 2 Hander and S+B. And 2hander ties into stam sorc for reasons previously listed.

Ultimately youre making baseless insults to my builds/videos which youre entitled to do. But at least I have the opportunity to retort here on the forums. Youre really the one coming off aggravated which makes no difference to me. Im simply telling you how it is with this class, if you choose to disagree you can state why and lay out solutions that counter what Im saying. Otherwise you really have no argument other than you dont like someone whos posting builds that seem to be very effective in killing the masses on an underdog class.

For the record, Ive never lost to another stam sorc - feel free to bring your new and unique build to the table and duel if youd like. Not an ego trip - just an offer if you want to take jabs at my overly simplified monkeyswinging build.. here is your chance to prove to everyone otherwise. Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class.

I guess anyone who knows me ingame can attest im almost never aggrevated, nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks. I´m just direct with my opinions since I dont like wasting time. I am not interested in discussing with your ego. You can go on and write another book taunting me and passively implying I wouldn`t know what I`m talking about.

My point stands, your setups evolving around 2h are, despite, no, because of the very obvious synergies, in my opinion, beginner builds - effective, but easy to execute and incredibly boring.

Do I have to repeat myself another time or can we just agree to disagree before your fingers get all sweaty from typing the next essay on your genius insights?

"Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class."

"nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks"

So lets hear those build ideas. Or did you only post in this thread to talk negative about my builds? (answer so far = yes)



It really doesnt matter how easy or hard a build is to execute. Magicka sorc is easy to plant mines, load up det, curse, streak in with proc frags and dawnbreak. This build will kill most of the game, and is likely the easiest setup to play. Despite that, you can see night and day difference gameplay from an experienced player - that is what sets them apart in critical situations. If my builds are good for beginners, than they will be very beneficial to the general public, which is a good thing for those looking for help getting started.

But that doesnt really matter - lets hear about your build, Im genuinely interested and you dont mind sharing. I want to hear about this different build that you dont hold back on if anyone asks.

Mojomonkeyman

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Tell us what you really think about your different build.

It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.

Any more snarky comments maybe?

I actually dont use HA clipping cause I... use molag kena! Youd know that if you actually watched my incredibly boring build!

I dont use only 2 hander for builds, but its hard to cut away from it in open world scenarios and be able to 1vX. S+B is your only other option, Id love to entertain the other options youve come up with, but the reality is they wont work on any player with a bit experience.

S+B is comparable to 2hander - the real difference is the window of burst on one vs the other. While they dont differ too largely, they differ in execute/closing time so yes - my open world build consists of 2hander. Also offers burst healing on retreat/midfight with surge that is reliable.

You want to insult me for using WB, but the reality is 2hander is very core to stam sorc because the gap closer is a guaranteed crit that always heals you. Something I explain in a lot of videos. I could do very well using just crit rush and making a DPS S+B bar as well, and I have done that. But the reality is I can tuck more utility on my bars by doing it the way I have set it up.

Sorry you dont find it appealing - I dont make build videos to show people 'how good I am'. I never intended to make build videos. I only did it after popular demand and getting the same question on stream 20x a day. It seems like youre just taking shots at me because you dont like me or what Ive popularized. I apologize our options are limited - but if you think otherwise you are either delusional or inexperienced.

My new builds (dueling builds) focus around bow and S+B. Youll be happy to see lots of non 2hander action Im sure. But it doesnt look like you know the builds too well if you said Im HA clipping, as Ive stressed the weaving of my attacks in my builds. You probably have just seen blips of combat.

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

I dont know why you think Im offended or coming off aggressive - its a pretty straight forward post to explain why 2hander is core to stam sorc. Its not because its easy, as I just explained. Crit rush and streak are the bread and butter of effective strikes on stam sorc.

You didnt watch a minute of my vids though but reiterate my build is boring, obvious, and lazy while simultaneously misrepresenting a very important point of "HA clipping" which most 2 hander builds will use - but I show in my builds why I do not.

Additionally, I didnt say you were delusional or inexperienced though actually - I said if you feel are options are *not* limited then you are delusional or inexperienced. All that is being said is there are 2 ways to cut out DPS on a stam sorc - literally. 2 Hander and S+B. And 2hander ties into stam sorc for reasons previously listed.

Ultimately youre making baseless insults to my builds/videos which youre entitled to do. But at least I have the opportunity to retort here on the forums. Youre really the one coming off aggravated which makes no difference to me. Im simply telling you how it is with this class, if you choose to disagree you can state why and lay out solutions that counter what Im saying. Otherwise you really have no argument other than you dont like someone whos posting builds that seem to be very effective in killing the masses on an underdog class.

For the record, Ive never lost to another stam sorc - feel free to bring your new and unique build to the table and duel if youd like. Not an ego trip - just an offer if you want to take jabs at my overly simplified monkeyswinging build.. here is your chance to prove to everyone otherwise. Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class.

I guess anyone who knows me ingame can attest im almost never aggrevated, nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks. I´m just direct with my opinions since I dont like wasting time. I am not interested in discussing with your ego. You can go on and write another book taunting me and passively implying I wouldn`t know what I`m talking about.

My point stands, your setups evolving around 2h are, despite, no, because of the very obvious synergies, in my opinion, beginner builds - effective, but easy to execute and incredibly boring.

Do I have to repeat myself another time or can we just agree to disagree before your fingers get all sweaty from typing the next essay on your genius insights?

"Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class."

"nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks"

So lets hear those build ideas. Or did you only post in this thread to talk negative about my builds? (answer so far = yes)



It really doesnt matter how easy or hard a build is to execute. Magicka sorc is easy to plant mines, load up det, curse, streak in with proc frags and dawnbreak. This build will kill most of the game, and is likely the easiest setup to play. Despite that, you can see night and day difference gameplay from an experienced player - that is what sets them apart in critical situations. If my builds are good for beginners, than they will be very beneficial to the general public, which is a good thing for those looking for help getting started.

But that doesnt really matter - lets hear about your build, Im genuinely interested and you dont mind sharing. I want to hear about this different build that you dont hold back on if anyone asks.

I want some of the stuff that you put in your coffee, mate. Havent met many people so self-centered in a long time. No, the world doesnt circle around you. Some people just have opinions. You were mentioned the post before me. I picked that up (shocking, I know).

A decent person genuinely interested wouldnt write:
"So lets hear those build ideas. Or did you only post in this thread to talk negative about my builds? (answer so far = yes)"

Sorry, my patience is limited. Theres no obligation in the world to satisfy some offended internet hobo who doesnt understand the difference between critizism based on personal opinion and experience opposed to baseless assumptions and passive agrressive personal attacks.

You might want to check out that debating class @ school again and come back to me later?

FENGRUSH

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Tell us what you really think about your different build.

It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.

Any more snarky comments maybe?

I actually dont use HA clipping cause I... use molag kena! Youd know that if you actually watched my incredibly boring build!

I dont use only 2 hander for builds, but its hard to cut away from it in open world scenarios and be able to 1vX. S+B is your only other option, Id love to entertain the other options youve come up with, but the reality is they wont work on any player with a bit experience.

S+B is comparable to 2hander - the real difference is the window of burst on one vs the other. While they dont differ too largely, they differ in execute/closing time so yes - my open world build consists of 2hander. Also offers burst healing on retreat/midfight with surge that is reliable.

You want to insult me for using WB, but the reality is 2hander is very core to stam sorc because the gap closer is a guaranteed crit that always heals you. Something I explain in a lot of videos. I could do very well using just crit rush and making a DPS S+B bar as well, and I have done that. But the reality is I can tuck more utility on my bars by doing it the way I have set it up.

Sorry you dont find it appealing - I dont make build videos to show people 'how good I am'. I never intended to make build videos. I only did it after popular demand and getting the same question on stream 20x a day. It seems like youre just taking shots at me because you dont like me or what Ive popularized. I apologize our options are limited - but if you think otherwise you are either delusional or inexperienced.

My new builds (dueling builds) focus around bow and S+B. Youll be happy to see lots of non 2hander action Im sure. But it doesnt look like you know the builds too well if you said Im HA clipping, as Ive stressed the weaving of my attacks in my builds. You probably have just seen blips of combat.

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

I dont know why you think Im offended or coming off aggressive - its a pretty straight forward post to explain why 2hander is core to stam sorc. Its not because its easy, as I just explained. Crit rush and streak are the bread and butter of effective strikes on stam sorc.

You didnt watch a minute of my vids though but reiterate my build is boring, obvious, and lazy while simultaneously misrepresenting a very important point of "HA clipping" which most 2 hander builds will use - but I show in my builds why I do not.

Additionally, I didnt say you were delusional or inexperienced though actually - I said if you feel are options are *not* limited then you are delusional or inexperienced. All that is being said is there are 2 ways to cut out DPS on a stam sorc - literally. 2 Hander and S+B. And 2hander ties into stam sorc for reasons previously listed.

Ultimately youre making baseless insults to my builds/videos which youre entitled to do. But at least I have the opportunity to retort here on the forums. Youre really the one coming off aggravated which makes no difference to me. Im simply telling you how it is with this class, if you choose to disagree you can state why and lay out solutions that counter what Im saying. Otherwise you really have no argument other than you dont like someone whos posting builds that seem to be very effective in killing the masses on an underdog class.

For the record, Ive never lost to another stam sorc - feel free to bring your new and unique build to the table and duel if youd like. Not an ego trip - just an offer if you want to take jabs at my overly simplified monkeyswinging build.. here is your chance to prove to everyone otherwise. Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class.

I guess anyone who knows me ingame can attest im almost never aggrevated, nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks. I´m just direct with my opinions since I dont like wasting time. I am not interested in discussing with your ego. You can go on and write another book taunting me and passively implying I wouldn`t know what I`m talking about.

My point stands, your setups evolving around 2h are, despite, no, because of the very obvious synergies, in my opinion, beginner builds - effective, but easy to execute and incredibly boring.

Do I have to repeat myself another time or can we just agree to disagree before your fingers get all sweaty from typing the next essay on your genius insights?

"Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class."

"nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks"

So lets hear those build ideas. Or did you only post in this thread to talk negative about my builds? (answer so far = yes)



It really doesnt matter how easy or hard a build is to execute. Magicka sorc is easy to plant mines, load up det, curse, streak in with proc frags and dawnbreak. This build will kill most of the game, and is likely the easiest setup to play. Despite that, you can see night and day difference gameplay from an experienced player - that is what sets them apart in critical situations. If my builds are good for beginners, than they will be very beneficial to the general public, which is a good thing for those looking for help getting started.

But that doesnt really matter - lets hear about your build, Im genuinely interested and you dont mind sharing. I want to hear about this different build that you dont hold back on if anyone asks.

I want some of the stuff that you put in your coffee, mate. Havent met many people so self-centered in a long time. No, the world doesnt circle around you. Some people just have opinions. You were mentioned the post before me. I picked that up (shocking, I know).

A decent person genuinely interested wouldnt write:
"So lets hear those build ideas. Or did you only post in this thread to talk negative about my builds? (answer so far = yes)"

Sorry, my patience is limited. Theres no obligation in the world to satisfy some offended internet hobo who doesnt understand the difference between critizism based on personal opinion and experience opposed to baseless assumptions and passive agrressive personal attacks.

You might want to check out that debating class @ school again and come back to me later?

@Soulac @Derra Tagging EU players because I dont know who this guy is insulting my build but he said he will reveal his next level build to anyone who asks (but apparently not just anyone). Plz assist and help the stam sorcs gain a peice of hidden knowledge from monkeymojoman.

Derra

What the hell did i just read and whyyy...

You two guys should in theory be the best friends as both of you afaik have played stamsorc since way before stamina ever was a thing at all.

It´s like watching the two pokemon nerdkids who get beaten up by the cool (magica) guys anyway go for each others throat bc one prefers pokemon blue and one red.


Makes me very sad


Edit: I do however think that attacking someone who´s sharing builds and thoughts publicly as obvious,lazy and boring isn´t asked for and definetly implies hostility. So i kind of get why jimmies are rustled here.

Takllin

Per your suggestion on Mages Fury, I think 15% increased damage is a bit too much, maybe 7-8% to make it in line with Engulfing Flames from DK would be more appropriate.

Bolt rush is a rather interesting one, though I don't think it should give movement speed as we already have that with Thundering Presence. I like the idea, but Streak/Ball Lightning are integral parts of Magicka Sorc gameplay, that I'm not sure you could give up one of those morphs for this. It might have to be it's own skill somehow.

Lightning Bolts, I'd actually like to see an ability like what NPCs have where they can summon an AoE centered around them and do lightning damage after X seconds. If they could convert that to a useful Stamina Ability, I think it would be a rather cool ability as well as useful.

Mojomonkey, Seems like there is a lot of dodging while accusing someone of doing the same thing you are...

You can disagree with Fengrush's stance on Stamina Sorcs and how he plays them, but that's not the point of this thread, and this isn't the first time you've taken shots at him and his Stam Sorc either.

If you'd like to constructively add to the discussion about Stamina Sorcerer, perhaps answer Fengrush's question about what your input is, or a build that you play on as a Stamina Sorcerer, instead of trying to put down Fengrush's playstyle, that'd be nice. Otherwise your just creating a pissing content and disrupting the thread from it's intent.

FENGRUSH

Derra wrote: »

What the hell did i just read and whyyy...

You two guys should in theory be the best friends as both of you afaik have played stamsorc since way before stamina ever was a thing at all.

It´s like watching the two pokemon nerdkids who get beaten up by the cool (magica) guys anyway go for each others throat bc one prefers pokemon blue and one red.


Makes me very sad

Thats what I thought - stam sorcs have to stand united. I just looked at his post history related to FENGRUSH. Hes been calling me a WB monkey for some time though so I dont think he is interested in that!

Didgerion

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Tell us what you really think about your different build.

It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.

Any more snarky comments maybe?

I actually dont use HA clipping cause I... use molag kena! Youd know that if you actually watched my incredibly boring build!

I dont use only 2 hander for builds, but its hard to cut away from it in open world scenarios and be able to 1vX. S+B is your only other option, Id love to entertain the other options youve come up with, but the reality is they wont work on any player with a bit experience.

S+B is comparable to 2hander - the real difference is the window of burst on one vs the other. While they dont differ too largely, they differ in execute/closing time so yes - my open world build consists of 2hander. Also offers burst healing on retreat/midfight with surge that is reliable.

You want to insult me for using WB, but the reality is 2hander is very core to stam sorc because the gap closer is a guaranteed crit that always heals you. Something I explain in a lot of videos. I could do very well using just crit rush and making a DPS S+B bar as well, and I have done that. But the reality is I can tuck more utility on my bars by doing it the way I have set it up.

Sorry you dont find it appealing - I dont make build videos to show people 'how good I am'. I never intended to make build videos. I only did it after popular demand and getting the same question on stream 20x a day. It seems like youre just taking shots at me because you dont like me or what Ive popularized. I apologize our options are limited - but if you think otherwise you are either delusional or inexperienced.

My new builds (dueling builds) focus around bow and S+B. Youll be happy to see lots of non 2hander action Im sure. But it doesnt look like you know the builds too well if you said Im HA clipping, as Ive stressed the weaving of my attacks in my builds. You probably have just seen blips of combat.

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

I dont know why you think Im offended or coming off aggressive - its a pretty straight forward post to explain why 2hander is core to stam sorc. Its not because its easy, as I just explained. Crit rush and streak are the bread and butter of effective strikes on stam sorc.

You didnt watch a minute of my vids though but reiterate my build is boring, obvious, and lazy while simultaneously misrepresenting a very important point of "HA clipping" which most 2 hander builds will use - but I show in my builds why I do not.

Additionally, I didnt say you were delusional or inexperienced though actually - I said if you feel are options are *not* limited then you are delusional or inexperienced. All that is being said is there are 2 ways to cut out DPS on a stam sorc - literally. 2 Hander and S+B. And 2hander ties into stam sorc for reasons previously listed.

Ultimately youre making baseless insults to my builds/videos which youre entitled to do. But at least I have the opportunity to retort here on the forums. Youre really the one coming off aggravated which makes no difference to me. Im simply telling you how it is with this class, if you choose to disagree you can state why and lay out solutions that counter what Im saying. Otherwise you really have no argument other than you dont like someone whos posting builds that seem to be very effective in killing the masses on an underdog class.

For the record, Ive never lost to another stam sorc - feel free to bring your new and unique build to the table and duel if youd like. Not an ego trip - just an offer if you want to take jabs at my overly simplified monkeyswinging build.. here is your chance to prove to everyone otherwise. Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class.

I guess anyone who knows me ingame can attest im almost never aggrevated, nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks. I´m just direct with my opinions since I dont like wasting time. I am not interested in discussing with your ego. You can go on and write another book taunting me and passively implying I wouldn`t know what I`m talking about.

My point stands, your setups evolving around 2h are, despite, no, because of the very obvious synergies, in my opinion, beginner builds - effective, but easy to execute and incredibly boring.

Do I have to repeat myself another time or can we just agree to disagree before your fingers get all sweaty from typing the next essay on your genius insights?

"Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class."

"nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks"

So lets hear those build ideas. Or did you only post in this thread to talk negative about my builds? (answer so far = yes)



It really doesnt matter how easy or hard a build is to execute. Magicka sorc is easy to plant mines, load up det, curse, streak in with proc frags and dawnbreak. This build will kill most of the game, and is likely the easiest setup to play. Despite that, you can see night and day difference gameplay from an experienced player - that is what sets them apart in critical situations. If my builds are good for beginners, than they will be very beneficial to the general public, which is a good thing for those looking for help getting started.

But that doesnt really matter - lets hear about your build, Im genuinely interested and you dont mind sharing. I want to hear about this different build that you dont hold back on if anyone asks.

I want some of the stuff that you put in your coffee, mate. Havent met many people so self-centered in a long time. No, the world doesnt circle around you. Some people just have opinions. You were mentioned the post before me. I picked that up (shocking, I know).

A decent person genuinely interested wouldnt write:
"So lets hear those build ideas. Or did you only post in this thread to talk negative about my builds? (answer so far = yes)"

Sorry, my patience is limited. Theres no obligation in the world to satisfy some offended internet hobo who doesnt understand the difference between critizism based on personal opinion and experience opposed to baseless assumptions and passive agrressive personal attacks.

You might want to check out that debating class @ school again and come back to me later?

Well @Mojomonkeyman you do have some obligations(morale at least) if you are the offender...you claimed @FENGRUSH 's builds boring although you did not watch a minute of his fights. You say you have more interesting builds ...compared to what?

And I get it: interesting/boring is a subjective matter....but saying something is boring without even looking at it....that says just one thing...your post's purpose was purely to offend @FENGRUSH.

So whatever you put in your coffee....get rid of it...it makes you bitter.

Derra

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

What the hell did i just read and whyyy...

You two guys should in theory be the best friends as both of you afaik have played stamsorc since way before stamina ever was a thing at all.

It´s like watching the two pokemon nerdkids who get beaten up by the cool (magica) guys anyway go for each others throat bc one prefers pokemon blue and one red.


Makes me very sad

Thats what I thought - stam sorcs have to stand united. I just looked at his post history related to FENGRUSH. Hes been calling me a WB monkey for some time though so I dont think he is interested in that!

Let me give you some advice wreckingblowmonkey. Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you.

Ahzek

Im a dizzying swing monkey !

Mommy Im special !!

Derra

Ahzek wrote: »

Im a dizzying swing monkey !

Mommy Im special !!

Special needs maybe

Mojomonkeyman

So much love.

@Derra:
Expected more of you... you know my stance on pvp balancing and should have a clue from where I´m coming from, which is not related to any person but to being opposed to streamlined class identities and low skill entry barriers.

Whatever, I wish you great success for your streaming career, fengrush. Keep on blowing my mind with your innovations.

BR

Derra

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

So much love.

@Derra:
Expected more of you... you know my stance on pvp balancing and should have a clue from where I´m coming from, which is not related to any person but to being opposed to streamlined class identities and low skill entry barriers.

Whatever, I wish you great success for your streaming career, fengrush. Keep on blowing my mind with your innovations.

BR

When you don´t share his point of view you have two options:

1. What you did: Call it boring lazy whatever.
2. Show a possible alternative.

The problem with your statement is that if i did not know you and you´d call my stance on magica sorc boring, lazy and obvious i´d sure as hell take that as a personal jab instead of general criticism about the state of the class - because it is (to some degree) when you associate it with a name.

So in this case i guess i don´t understand where you´re coming from.

Soulac

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

No thanks.

Tell us what you really think about your different build.

It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.

Any more snarky comments maybe?

I actually dont use HA clipping cause I... use molag kena! Youd know that if you actually watched my incredibly boring build!

I dont use only 2 hander for builds, but its hard to cut away from it in open world scenarios and be able to 1vX. S+B is your only other option, Id love to entertain the other options youve come up with, but the reality is they wont work on any player with a bit experience.

S+B is comparable to 2hander - the real difference is the window of burst on one vs the other. While they dont differ too largely, they differ in execute/closing time so yes - my open world build consists of 2hander. Also offers burst healing on retreat/midfight with surge that is reliable.

You want to insult me for using WB, but the reality is 2hander is very core to stam sorc because the gap closer is a guaranteed crit that always heals you. Something I explain in a lot of videos. I could do very well using just crit rush and making a DPS S+B bar as well, and I have done that. But the reality is I can tuck more utility on my bars by doing it the way I have set it up.

Sorry you dont find it appealing - I dont make build videos to show people 'how good I am'. I never intended to make build videos. I only did it after popular demand and getting the same question on stream 20x a day. It seems like youre just taking shots at me because you dont like me or what Ive popularized. I apologize our options are limited - but if you think otherwise you are either delusional or inexperienced.

My new builds (dueling builds) focus around bow and S+B. Youll be happy to see lots of non 2hander action Im sure. But it doesnt look like you know the builds too well if you said Im HA clipping, as Ive stressed the weaving of my attacks in my builds. You probably have just seen blips of combat.

Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

Edit:
Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.

I dont know why you think Im offended or coming off aggressive - its a pretty straight forward post to explain why 2hander is core to stam sorc. Its not because its easy, as I just explained. Crit rush and streak are the bread and butter of effective strikes on stam sorc.

You didnt watch a minute of my vids though but reiterate my build is boring, obvious, and lazy while simultaneously misrepresenting a very important point of "HA clipping" which most 2 hander builds will use - but I show in my builds why I do not.

Additionally, I didnt say you were delusional or inexperienced though actually - I said if you feel are options are *not* limited then you are delusional or inexperienced. All that is being said is there are 2 ways to cut out DPS on a stam sorc - literally. 2 Hander and S+B. And 2hander ties into stam sorc for reasons previously listed.

Ultimately youre making baseless insults to my builds/videos which youre entitled to do. But at least I have the opportunity to retort here on the forums. Youre really the one coming off aggravated which makes no difference to me. Im simply telling you how it is with this class, if you choose to disagree you can state why and lay out solutions that counter what Im saying. Otherwise you really have no argument other than you dont like someone whos posting builds that seem to be very effective in killing the masses on an underdog class.

For the record, Ive never lost to another stam sorc - feel free to bring your new and unique build to the table and duel if youd like. Not an ego trip - just an offer if you want to take jabs at my overly simplified monkeyswinging build.. here is your chance to prove to everyone otherwise. Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class.

I guess anyone who knows me ingame can attest im almost never aggrevated, nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks. I´m just direct with my opinions since I dont like wasting time. I am not interested in discussing with your ego. You can go on and write another book taunting me and passively implying I wouldn`t know what I`m talking about.

My point stands, your setups evolving around 2h are, despite, no, because of the very obvious synergies, in my opinion, beginner builds - effective, but easy to execute and incredibly boring.

Do I have to repeat myself another time or can we just agree to disagree before your fingers get all sweaty from typing the next essay on your genius insights?

"Or share with us how we can all improve our stam sorcs gameplay and make it more interesting - Im open to trying something new on the class."

"nor do I hold back on intel regarding my builds if anyone asks"

So lets hear those build ideas. Or did you only post in this thread to talk negative about my builds? (answer so far = yes)



It really doesnt matter how easy or hard a build is to execute. Magicka sorc is easy to plant mines, load up det, curse, streak in with proc frags and dawnbreak. This build will kill most of the game, and is likely the easiest setup to play. Despite that, you can see night and day difference gameplay from an experienced player - that is what sets them apart in critical situations. If my builds are good for beginners, than they will be very beneficial to the general public, which is a good thing for those looking for help getting started.

But that doesnt really matter - lets hear about your build, Im genuinely interested and you dont mind sharing. I want to hear about this different build that you dont hold back on if anyone asks.

I want some of the stuff that you put in your coffee, mate. Havent met many people so self-centered in a long time. No, the world doesnt circle around you. Some people just have opinions. You were mentioned the post before me. I picked that up (shocking, I know).

A decent person genuinely interested wouldnt write:
"So lets hear those build ideas. Or did you only post in this thread to talk negative about my builds? (answer so far = yes)"

Sorry, my patience is limited. Theres no obligation in the world to satisfy some offended internet hobo who doesnt understand the difference between critizism based on personal opinion and experience opposed to baseless assumptions and passive agrressive personal attacks.

You might want to check out that debating class @ school again and come back to me later?

@Soulac @Derra Tagging EU players because I dont know who this guy is insulting my build but he said he will reveal his next level build to anyone who asks (but apparently not just anyone). Plz assist and help the stam sorcs gain a peice of hidden knowledge from monkeymojoman.

What Derra said

xellink

Derra wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

So much love.

@Derra:
Expected more of you... you know my stance on pvp balancing and should have a clue from where I´m coming from, which is not related to any person but to being opposed to streamlined class identities and low skill entry barriers.

Whatever, I wish you great success for your streaming career, fengrush. Keep on blowing my mind with your innovations.

BR

When you don´t share his point of view you have two options:

1. What you did: Call it boring lazy whatever.
2. Show a possible alternative.

There's no need to show a possible alternative. People say rubbish all the time in politics and the USA is still in debt.

Lazy and boring doesn't mean ineffective. If we are trying to prove effectiveness, we can do a randomised trial with statistical analysis. This is akin to saying a boss is has rubbish mechanics. It does not matter how powerful the boss is.

It will be good to hear a constructive alternative build though.

@FENGRUSH accept your destiny... WBM.

Teflondon75

I'm seeing a lot more hostility from one side of this debate and it's not from Fengrush =/ Did you expect any less than a person at the very least defending their stance? You DID basically call him out and have been more the aggressor here by a long shot.

Somebody Truly interested in helping people out and offering an alternative to the standard style would have done so. Not at all what you did in this, now, ruined post. Liking his build ideas on stam sorc is largely irrelevant, and really adds nothing to the OP, if you had ever watched him you'd know he's more than helpful and always up for a discussion on alternative gameplay and style in regards to stamina sorcs.

If you really have some good info on different strategies then please, lets have some real conversation going on here. I'm not the only one that would gladly see what is for offer and maybe we can get some interesting ideas rolling here.

Jar_Ek

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Jar_Ek wrote: »

@Tormjolnir if you look back at my post history you'll see I have discussed stamina sorcerers a lot... Wrt Bolt Escape - I think DW needs a gap closer not sorcerers. DW is a freaking mess atm imo.

DW is pretty crappy because of rapid strikes - and even maelstrom weapons cant make it good. Flying dagger is a better option to pop in for damage honestly.

It also sucks because its a dot as well so it doesnt do much for sustaining health with crit surge. Have asked for this fix before in stam sorc changes. Dont worry - we only got nothing coming this patch.

Yeah I agree DW is in a bad place atm. The biggest problem it has is that it logically and thematically inhabits the same space as Nightblades with respect to weapons.. and NBs have got all the "good" skills - a gap closer, an instant direct damage attack, and a single target execute. If zos were to properly redesign their game (never gonna happen), then these would end up in DW and replacements would go into NB skill lines.

Tormjolnir

Takllin wrote: »

Per your suggestion on Mages Fury, I think 15% increased damage is a bit too much, maybe 7-8% to make it in line with Engulfing Flames from DK would be more appropriate.

Bolt rush is a rather interesting one, though I don't think it should give movement speed as we already have that with Thundering Presence. I like the idea, but Streak/Ball Lightning are integral parts of Magicka Sorc gameplay, that I'm not sure you could give up one of those morphs for this. It might have to be it's own skill somehow.

Lightning Bolts, I'd actually like to see an ability like what NPCs have where they can summon an AoE centered around them and do lightning damage after X seconds. If they could convert that to a useful Stamina Ability, I think it would be a rather cool ability as well as useful.

Mojomonkey, Seems like there is a lot of dodging while accusing someone of doing the same thing you are...

You can disagree with Fengrush's stance on Stamina Sorcs and how he plays them, but that's not the point of this thread, and this isn't the first time you've taken shots at him and his Stam Sorc either.

If you'd like to constructively add to the discussion about Stamina Sorcerer, perhaps answer Fengrush's question about what your input is, or a build that you play on as a Stamina Sorcerer, instead of trying to put down Fengrush's playstyle, that'd be nice. Otherwise your just creating a pissing content and disrupting the thread from it's intent.

Hey Takllin

Thanks for posting!

I was trying to come up with some brilliant speech to get this thread back on topic but honestly man you said it as best as it can be said. Lets be constructive here folks. Leave the pissing match at the door please.

I like your ideas here and especially how the new skill ideas might affect Magkia sorcs. We definitely need to be considerate of both play styles.

Again thank you for your input and attempt to get this thread back on target.

Cheers,
Torunnson

Tormjolnir

Jar_Ek wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Jar_Ek wrote: »

@Tormjolnir if you look back at my post history you'll see I have discussed stamina sorcerers a lot... Wrt Bolt Escape - I think DW needs a gap closer not sorcerers. DW is a freaking mess atm imo.

DW is pretty crappy because of rapid strikes - and even maelstrom weapons cant make it good. Flying dagger is a better option to pop in for damage honestly.

It also sucks because its a dot as well so it doesnt do much for sustaining health with crit surge. Have asked for this fix before in stam sorc changes. Dont worry - we only got nothing coming this patch.

Yeah I agree DW is in a bad place atm. The biggest problem it has is that it logically and thematically inhabits the same space as Nightblades with respect to weapons.. and NBs have got all the "good" skills - a gap closer, an instant direct damage attack, and a single target execute. If zos were to properly redesign their game (never gonna happen), then these would end up in DW and replacements would go into NB skill lines.

Hey Jar

Thanks for posting!

This is an interesting stance. It would require ZOS determining what are mandatory skills required per weapon skill line. To me the essentials are a gap closer, execute and some form of spammable ability. I am not sure Nightblade would be happy with having their stam morphs removed in favour of this. As much as I think I agree with weapon lines being the place to offer these core skills it might be too late for ZOS to "fix" it?

I also do like class abilities offering these core skills by way of morphs because it offers some form of unique class style. Let's look at gap closers.

DK has chains
Templar has a "spear" charge
Nightblade has a "stealth" charge
Sorc has a non targetable forward movement which is lightning themed.

Each has their own unique theme but 3 of the 4 offer the essential core functionality of a targetable gap closer. I like the unique themes I just dont like the inconsistent way the skills work.

Food for thought.

Cheers,
Torunnson

Father_X_Zombie

Ok, I should probably clarify what I said. I never said stam sorcs are a lore breaking class that shouldn't exist and are trash that only spam WB. I ment that I don't understand why someone would want to turn a mage class into a warrior.

zoltarg

Why did ZOS made several NPCs stam sorcs, like "Mebs Runnyeye" in Cracked Wood Caves?

Why is every single skill line of every class based in magic, and then you can morph some to go to stamina? Why completely neglect sorcerers as a stamina option but give night blades a ton of options for stamina?

My stam sorc suggestions - stop neglecting them ZOS.

Soneca798

AK47ZOMBIE66 wrote: »

Ok, I should probably clarify what I said. I never said stam sorcs are a lore breaking class that shouldn't exist and are trash that only spam WB. I ment that I don't understand why someone would want to turn a mage class into a warrior.

Well you could make the same argument to any of the classes, and before 1.6 everyone was magicka anyways so it was kinda true. Dks are pyromancers, templars are priests, nightblades are warlocks and sorcerers are mages. So if every other class, that like I said, can technically be described as a mage, now all have viable or semi viable warrior counterparts (as per what the developers intended and as per what the community obviously wants, threads like these being proof) then why is the sorcerer class the only one that's laughed at for wanting more warrior like options?

Acsvf

AK47ZOMBIE66 wrote: »

Ok, I should probably clarify what I said. I never said stam sorcs are a lore breaking class that shouldn't exist and are trash that only spam WB. I ment that I don't understand why someone would want to turn a mage class into a warrior.

Mage class?

Armann

Acsvf wrote: »

AK47ZOMBIE66 wrote: »

Ok, I should probably clarify what I said. I never said stam sorcs are a lore breaking class that shouldn't exist and are trash that only spam WB. I ment that I don't understand why someone would want to turn a mage class into a warrior.

Mage class?

Yes, you see to some people the game looks like this

Fighter (Dragonknight) = Tank
Mage (Sorcerer) = magic DPS
Thief (Nightblade) = melee DPS
Cleric (Templar) = Heal

The fact that the game bears the Elder Scrolls name and the tradition one comes to expect of that passed right over their head. According to them one would think it's just another generic D&D based mmo.