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Stamina Sorc Suggestions - A casual player's perspective

Tormjolnir
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Greetings everyone!

The following are some suggestions from a casual player's perspective on how I would propose to improve Stamina Sorcs. To be clear, I am no competitive pvp player and I spend a great deal of my time playing solo. There are quite a few hardcore Stam Sorcs who have shared their thoughts on improvements and the way I see it, the more points of view and suggestions we as a community of Stam Sorcs put out there the more chance we have at being heard. I don’t expect everyone to like or support these ideas but rather I hope folks will use this as another mechanism to be heard by contributing even more constructive improvement ideas.

When I envision a Stam Sorc, I see myself empowered by lightning, wielding powerful weapons of destruction. No broomsticks, pets, dark magic or dresses come close to my person! It’s all about the lightning and weapons for me.

When I look at our core skill set the following key skill is missing. A stamina based finisher. I propose a stamina morph to Mages Fury.

Lightning Fury
Cast time – Instant
Target – Enemy
Range – 8 metres
Cost – x stamina

Call down lightning to strike an enemy for x Shock Damage/Physical Damage. Enemies under 50% health take up to 300% more damage.

When slotted enemies take 15% more damage from Shock effects/Physical Damage

The next thing I think needs tweaking is our gap closer. Right now most sorcs use it to escape or as a damage/stun in the heat of battle. It’s not really used as a proper gap closer. I would propose giving Bolt Escape a morph that lets you use it as a proper gap closer.

Bolt Rush
Cast time – Instant
Target – Enemy
Range – 3.5-22 metres
Cost – x stamina

Ride a wave of lightning to strike an enemy for x Shock Damage/Physical Damage and stunning them for 2 seconds.

If present, Bolt Rush reactivates the Major Expedition speed buff.

Next up we need some form of spamable damage ability that is class based. Of course I see this as lightning  based. The candidate I propose is to morph is Lightning Splash.

Lightning Bolts
Cast time – 1.1 seconds
Target – Area
Range – 8 metres
Cost – x stamina

Unleash a unrelenting assault of lightning bolts, striking enemies in front of you x times and dealing x Shock/Physical Damage.
Yes I know I am basically copying Biting Jabs but this kind of skill is exactly what we need here.

Our core identity – What sets us apart?
Fengrush on his streams often asks what our core identity is as Stam Sorcs. What should it be? I think Crit Rush and speed should be the core of what makes us different. No other class heals like Crit Rush and no other class has the options for speed that we do. As such, I think the Major Expedition speed buff should be added to Crit Rush and removed from Thundering Pressence. Keep Thundering as our armour buff/auxillary aoe damage skill similar to Volatile Armour from the DK.

Between the new Crit Rush and the new Bolt Rush gap closer ability we should be able to move on the battlefield faster than anyone else. That’s what can set us apart and give us some unique sense of identity. Well that and lightning!

Passively and other utility skill wise we can always use buffs but to be honest I think we are fine as we are. We have utility skills to get back stam and health, we have utility skill to boost our max stam and weapon damage, we have passive cost reduction skills and regen skills. In short we have everything we need in that regard.

What we lack is a true identity and a few key skills. I feel these proposed skill changes would set us apart identity wise and help bring us up to an equal playing ground from a stamina skills point of view.

I would also suggest since ZOS is on a toggle skill killing spree (i.e. Mage Light) to remove the toggle from Boundless Armour.

Thanks for reading.
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Sincerely,
Torunnson, The Nord Stam Sorc
  • Daymond
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    I really like the bolt rush idea behind that 100%.As for lighting bolt its cool as well ,but what skill would it morph from? Then lightning fury its sounds like a good execute but what do you think rather then calling for lightning from the sky you throw a lightning spear or sumthin like that?
  • Johngo0036
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    I like the ideas.. Don't like the major expedition being removed from thundering presence though.. Magicka sorc would have a fit...

    The area effect spammable is just not at option for me..
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  • Brrrofski
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    Not to rain on your parade as any ideas on how to help a stam sorç are needed, but I think they just need a spammable class skill. I can love with two handed for the execute and gap closer. Just want something other than wrecking blow to actually damage people.

    Some passives could get tweaked to help as well I think.

    OP, you're a nord as well? Wow, you're like doubly unloved :(
    Edited by Brrrofski on February 11, 2016 7:41AM
  • Mojomonkeyman
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    Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

    No thanks.
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  • Patouf
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    Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

    No thanks.

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  • Enimis
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    I want Stamina based Overload morph for melee, that changed weapon to lightning copy and give buff for damage to XXseconds.
  • Mojomonkeyman
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    Patouf wrote: »
    Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

    No thanks.

    Tell us what you really think about your different build.

    It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.

    Any more snarky comments maybe?
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  • tennant94
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    Stam sorcs are already op
  • Tormjolnir
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    Daymond wrote: »
    I really like the bolt rush idea behind that 100%.As for lighting bolt its cool as well ,but what skill would it morph from? Then lightning fury its sounds like a good execute but what do you think rather then calling for lightning from the sky you throw a lightning spear or sumthin like that?

    Hey Daymond

    I was thinking of using Lightning Splash as a morph candidate for Lightning Bolts. Lightning from the sky, lightning from a spear, lightning from my rear...:) just give me lightning to throw something at and I am good :) Thanks for posting!

    Cheers,
    Torunnson

  • Tormjolnir
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    Not to rain on your parade as any ideas on how to help a stam sorç are needed, but I think they just need a spammable class skill. I can love with two handed for the execute and gap closer. Just want something other than wrecking blow to actually damage people.

    Some passives could get tweaked to help as well I think.

    OP, you're a nord as well? Wow, you're like doubly unloved :(

    Hey Brrofski

    Thanks for posting!

    To me living with any specific skill or set of skills isn't a good thing. There should be viable dual wield, bow, 1h + Shield combinations that work as well as 2h does currently. But having said that if you are happy with 2h that's awesome! My proposed Lightning Bolts is an example of a spammable class skill.

    Yes Nords don't get any love. We rely at looking at ourselves in the mirror and staring at our beards and drinking brew to get by in life sadly. I am planning on a thread to look at racial passives from a casual player's perspective at some point.

    Cheers,
    Torunnson
    Edited by Tormjolnir on February 11, 2016 1:21PM
  • EsoRecon
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    tennant94 wrote: »
    Stam sorcs are already op

    Lol I take it you have never played one and just watch Fengrush play.
    Of course Fengrush is gonna be good, he could be good with any class/set up.
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  • Tormjolnir
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    Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

    No thanks.

    Hey Mojomonkeyman

    Thanks for posting!

    I am not sure where you got the idea I am trying to make 2h mandatory for Stam Sorc? I don't even play 2h myself to be honest. I use dual wield and bow. As I stated above I am a casual player and PVP meta doesn't really concern me. However all of my suggestions would actually make other builds more viable. By giving us a class execute, a proper class gap closer, and some form of spammable skill it would open up a much wider variety of build options.

    Where I agree with Fengrush is that I feel Crit Rush and Speed is one way that could differentiate Stam Sorm on the battlefield optically.

    Cheers,
    Torunnson
  • Tormjolnir
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    Enimis wrote: »
    I want Stamina based Overload morph for melee, that changed weapon to lightning copy and give buff for damage to XXseconds.

    Hey Enimis

    Thanks for posting!

    I agree Overload needs a Stam based option.

    Cheers,
    Torunnson
  • D0ntevenL1ft
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    That execute along with other weapon executes would be way too OP
    Edited by D0ntevenL1ft on February 11, 2016 1:47PM
  • Jar_Ek
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    Interesting ideas. I am not of the opinion that lightning alone makes a stamina sorcerer or even that mobility should be its defining characteristic - although I agree it is an important class differentiator.

    Wrt the suggested skills:
    Lightning Fury is too powerful as listed, although I agree with the idea. A spamable 50% health execute (3xdmg) would either be way too strong in execute range or incredibly weak outside of execute range. And the 15% damage bonus when slotted is hugely overpowered in any case.
    Personally I would be happier with a non execute decent but not spectacular damage ability that caused a major fracture and could benefit from energised and proc disintegrate.

    Bolt Rush I am not keen on - what would you replace? Streak has better utility (offensive and defensive use and no target use) and ball of lightning is better defensively. Bolt Rush doesn't really add much over existing gap closers (although it would help DW sorcerers) and would only add an unnecessary stun (given gap closers have a built in heavy snare) and a mobility buff. Why would I use it over another gap closer?

    Lightning bolts
    As you said this is a clone of Biting Jabs, and some type of stamina aoe would be nice but an attack that roots you is in direct opposition to a mobility based approach! Better to have a stamina crystal fragments or daedric mines I think.

    My view on sorcerers as a whole is that they are a control class with tools to enhance their mobility, to limit opponents mobility, some area denial and some timed burst capabilities. Of these stamina sorcerers really only have access to the mobility and limited area denial via ultimates. If we are supposed to be highly mobile then providing some cc immunity through Lightning Form or Bound Armour would be good, esp as our survivability skills are limited (no effective wards, critical surge healing fails on shields and impenetrable and bolt escape is too costly to be used to escape).
  • Tormjolnir
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    Jar_Ek wrote: »
    Interesting ideas. I am not of the opinion that lightning alone makes a stamina sorcerer or even that mobility should be its defining characteristic - although I agree it is an important class differentiator.

    Wrt the suggested skills:
    Lightning Fury is too powerful as listed, although I agree with the idea. A spamable 50% health execute (3xdmg) would either be way too strong in execute range or incredibly weak outside of execute range. And the 15% damage bonus when slotted is hugely overpowered in any case.
    Personally I would be happier with a non execute decent but not spectacular damage ability that caused a major fracture and could benefit from energised and proc disintegrate.

    Bolt Rush I am not keen on - what would you replace? Streak has better utility (offensive and defensive use and no target use) and ball of lightning is better defensively. Bolt Rush doesn't really add much over existing gap closers (although it would help DW sorcerers) and would only add an unnecessary stun (given gap closers have a built in heavy snare) and a mobility buff. Why would I use it over another gap closer?

    Lightning bolts
    As you said this is a clone of Biting Jabs, and some type of stamina aoe would be nice but an attack that roots you is in direct opposition to a mobility based approach! Better to have a stamina crystal fragments or daedric mines I think.

    My view on sorcerers as a whole is that they are a control class with tools to enhance their mobility, to limit opponents mobility, some area denial and some timed burst capabilities. Of these stamina sorcerers really only have access to the mobility and limited area denial via ultimates. If we are supposed to be highly mobile then providing some cc immunity through Lightning Form or Bound Armour would be good, esp as our survivability skills are limited (no effective wards, critical surge healing fails on shields and impenetrable and bolt escape is too costly to be used to escape).

    Hey Jar

    Thanks for posting!

    Lightning Fury was inspired by Executioner basically. The 15% damage bonus can go. I just wanted to proposed a stamina based class skill for a finisher.

    Bolt Rush I would replace Ball of Lightning but that's me. The no target use thing is actually what personally annoys me the most about Streak as it is. I find it so hard to aim and use myself that I don't even have it slotted at all. I am a dual wield stam sorc so having a proper target based gap closer would make me happy. I know this would be an unpopular thing with the sorc community at large but I find it strange that I am one of few who finds using bolt hard to use.

    One of the reasons I play Stam Sorc is I hated playing magkia sorc because of the Fishing For Frags play style. I really hope they don't stam morph Frags if you have to fish for it like you do on a Magkia based sorc. I agree proposed stun of Lightning Bolts doesn't really fit the mobility approach. Borrowing ideas from the NightBlade Veiled Strike might work better? Either way some form of spammable stamina damage is needed.

    CC immunity is a cool idea! It would have to be limited and counterable though.

    I really appreciate your comments and constructive approach to replying to this thread.

    Cheers,
    Torunnson

  • SturgeHammer
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    Hmm, When I read the read the name Bolt Rush I could only think of a spell that if you have a target it costs stam and is a gap closer, if no target then it is like streak.

    Abilities that can swap between a stam dps or magicka utility dependent on if you have a single target would actually be cool design space ZOS could explore that would fit stam sorc well.
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    If every sorc ability gets a stamina morph then what is going to separate magic/stam sorcs other then what they use to cast their abilities?

    Also, no offense to any stam sorcs but aren't Sorcerers supposed to be spellcasters using magic to kill people?
    It really doesn't make sense to me why a Sorcerer would want to run around spamming wrecking blow in lightning form.
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  • Tormjolnir
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    If every sorc ability gets a stamina morph then what is going to separate magic/stam sorcs other then what they use to cast their abilities?

    Also, no offense to any stam sorcs but aren't Sorcerers supposed to be spellcasters using magic to kill people?
    It really doesn't make sense to me why a Sorcerer would want to run around spamming wrecking blow in lightning form.

    Hey Ak4

    Thanks for posting!

    I am not proposing that every sorc ability should get a stamina morph. I am proposing that key abilities should. This would bring us up to even compared to other classes. Right now the NightBlade is the only class that gets stam morphs to gap closer, finisher and spammable abilities. That is just inconsistent class design to me. I would advocate on behalf of DK's as well for stam morphs for their gap closer, add a proper finisher and a stam morph of whip or some other spammable ability. But hey thats just me.

    In other MMO's spellcasters are just that be design. However one of the things that sets ESO apart is its flexibility. Spellcasters have the ability to wield melee weapons in ESO. Giving that kind of flexibility inherently breaks down the walls of class design like is found in WOW or other more traditional MMO's. Or its supposed to anyways which is why I made this topic in the first place. Right now you see a lot of wrecking blow stam sorcs in part because they feel they have no other choice. Fixing some of the class inconsistencies would open up a whole new realm of possibilities for builds. Choice is a good thing. If you want to play a Spellcaster then do it. But if I want to play a melee-based lightning warrior I should have every bit of choice to do so.

    What separates classes is also one of the things we are talking about in this thread. Some very good suggestions posted so far. Keep them coming folks!

    Cheers,
    Torunnson

  • Emma_Overload
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    If every sorc ability gets a stamina morph then what is going to separate magic/stam sorcs other then what they use to cast their abilities?

    Also, no offense to any stam sorcs but aren't Sorcerers supposed to be spellcasters using magic to kill people?
    It really doesn't make sense to me why a Sorcerer would want to run around spamming wrecking blow in lightning form.

    Then you haven't noticed all the NPCs in ESO that do exactly that. Every Public Dungeon seems to have one boss that pops Thundering Presence before he tries to Uppercut you with a battle axe!
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  • Didgerion
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    Tormjolnir wrote: »
    Greetings everyone!
    Our core identity – What sets us apart?
    Fengrush on his streams often asks what our core identity is as Stam Sorcs. What should it be? I think Crit Rush and speed should be the core of what makes us different. No other class heals like Crit Rush and no other class has the options for speed that we do. As such, I think the Major Expedition speed buff should be added to Crit Rush and removed from Thundering Pressence. Keep Thundering as our armour buff/auxillary aoe damage skill similar to Volatile Armour from the DK.

    The speed does not set Stam Sorcs appart, NBs has the same self major expedition buff. The only difference is that it gives Sorc a small aoe tick versus major evasion buff that NBs get.

    So the only think that has a potential to set Stam sorc apart is Crit Rush....but Stam sorcs do not have a complementary DPS-ing ability to take advantage of Crit Rush (they have to use 2h to make it more or less reliable). And Crit Rush is not reliable in fights against shields.






  • Jar_Ek
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    @Tormjolnir if you look back at my post history you'll see I have discussed stamina sorcerers a lot... Wrt Bolt Escape - I think DW needs a gap closer not sorcerers. DW is a freaking mess atm imo.
  • CP5
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    If every sorc ability gets a stamina morph then what is going to separate magic/stam sorcs other then what they use to cast their abilities?

    Also, no offense to any stam sorcs but aren't Sorcerers supposed to be spellcasters using magic to kill people?
    It really doesn't make sense to me why a Sorcerer would want to run around spamming wrecking blow in lightning form.

    1- This is ESO, where the intent is any class can fit any role, that was the 'play the way you want' motto since any class can use any armor and weapon combination. The other classes can already do this to decent degrees (effectiveness of individual skills being debatable).

    2- In the elder scrolls universe 'sorcerer's' are mages that have low to no magicka regen, sustain their casting by being hit by hostile spells, and are proficient with many weapons and generally use heavy armor. "Sorcerer's" are not pure spell casters than any of the other classes in this game and if anything are more justified to use any weapon and heavy armor than the other classes.

    3- About your last point, the thing is plenty of sorcs likely are tired of spamming wrecking blow, hence why we're asking for choices.
  • Didgerion
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    Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

    No thanks.

    Yeah words....

    Why won't you take those creative builds of yours and duel @FENGRUSH couple of times.....he is always open for dueling...
    Or show us a compilation of your 1vsX fights at least.
    Edited by Didgerion on February 11, 2016 7:08PM
  • Jar_Ek
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    @Tormjolnir if you look back at my post history you'll see I have discussed stamina sorcerers a lot... Wrt Bolt Escape - I think DW needs a gap closer not sorcerers. DW is a freaking mess atm imo.
  • FENGRUSH
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    Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

    No thanks.
    Patouf wrote: »
    Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

    No thanks.

    Tell us what you really think about your different build.

    It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.

    Any more snarky comments maybe?

    I actually dont use HA clipping cause I... use molag kena! Youd know that if you actually watched my incredibly boring build!

    I dont use only 2 hander for builds, but its hard to cut away from it in open world scenarios and be able to 1vX. S+B is your only other option, Id love to entertain the other options youve come up with, but the reality is they wont work on any player with a bit experience.

    S+B is comparable to 2hander - the real difference is the window of burst on one vs the other. While they dont differ too largely, they differ in execute/closing time so yes - my open world build consists of 2hander. Also offers burst healing on retreat/midfight with surge that is reliable.

    You want to insult me for using WB, but the reality is 2hander is very core to stam sorc because the gap closer is a guaranteed crit that always heals you. Something I explain in a lot of videos. I could do very well using just crit rush and making a DPS S+B bar as well, and I have done that. But the reality is I can tuck more utility on my bars by doing it the way I have set it up.

    Sorry you dont find it appealing - I dont make build videos to show people 'how good I am'. I never intended to make build videos. I only did it after popular demand and getting the same question on stream 20x a day. It seems like youre just taking shots at me because you dont like me or what Ive popularized. I apologize our options are limited - but if you think otherwise you are either delusional or inexperienced.

    My new builds (dueling builds) focus around bow and S+B. Youll be happy to see lots of non 2hander action Im sure. But it doesnt look like you know the builds too well if you said Im HA clipping, as Ive stressed the weaving of my attacks in my builds. You probably have just seen blips of combat.
  • FENGRUSH
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    Jar_Ek wrote: »
    @Tormjolnir if you look back at my post history you'll see I have discussed stamina sorcerers a lot... Wrt Bolt Escape - I think DW needs a gap closer not sorcerers. DW is a freaking mess atm imo.

    DW is pretty crappy because of rapid strikes - and even maelstrom weapons cant make it good. Flying dagger is a better option to pop in for damage honestly.

    It also sucks because its a dot as well so it doesnt do much for sustaining health with crit surge. Have asked for this fix before in stam sorc changes. Dont worry - we only got nothing coming this patch.
  • Mojomonkeyman
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    FENGRUSH wrote: »
    Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

    No thanks.
    Patouf wrote: »
    Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.

    No thanks.

    Tell us what you really think about your different build.

    It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.

    Any more snarky comments maybe?

    I actually dont use HA clipping cause I... use molag kena! Youd know that if you actually watched my incredibly boring build!

    I dont use only 2 hander for builds, but its hard to cut away from it in open world scenarios and be able to 1vX. S+B is your only other option, Id love to entertain the other options youve come up with, but the reality is they wont work on any player with a bit experience.

    S+B is comparable to 2hander - the real difference is the window of burst on one vs the other. While they dont differ too largely, they differ in execute/closing time so yes - my open world build consists of 2hander. Also offers burst healing on retreat/midfight with surge that is reliable.

    You want to insult me for using WB, but the reality is 2hander is very core to stam sorc because the gap closer is a guaranteed crit that always heals you. Something I explain in a lot of videos. I could do very well using just crit rush and making a DPS S+B bar as well, and I have done that. But the reality is I can tuck more utility on my bars by doing it the way I have set it up.

    Sorry you dont find it appealing - I dont make build videos to show people 'how good I am'. I never intended to make build videos. I only did it after popular demand and getting the same question on stream 20x a day. It seems like youre just taking shots at me because you dont like me or what Ive popularized. I apologize our options are limited - but if you think otherwise you are either delusional or inexperienced.

    My new builds (dueling builds) focus around bow and S+B. Youll be happy to see lots of non 2hander action Im sure. But it doesnt look like you know the builds too well if you said Im HA clipping, as Ive stressed the weaving of my attacks in my builds. You probably have just seen blips of combat.

    Chill out, dude. I didnt watch a minute of your vids. Not your fault that people cant come up with their own stuff and instead use online research.

    Do you have ego issues to feel offended?

    I mean what I say: I personally find your setups around 2h too boring, obvious, lazy and abusive to consider playing similar builds. Not more, not less. I guess you are a decent player and good guy, that doesnt make me more interested in streamlining stam sorc into the direction of your builds, tho.

    Sad thing, your fanboys are neither good nor creative. You didnt help, you just catered to lazyness for self promo.

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    Haha, you must be really hurt, dude, assuming im "delusional or inexperienced" for not liking your builds. Look, I critizised your setups, you got personal. Grow up, nerd. Your baseless assumptions make you look smaller than you hopefully are.
    Edited by Mojomonkeyman on February 11, 2016 7:35PM
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  • SturgeHammer
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    Also, no offense to any stam sorcs but aren't Sorcerers supposed to be spellcasters using magic to kill people?
    It really doesn't make sense to me why a Sorcerer would want to run around spamming wrecking blow in lightning form.

    Seems like people tend to get hung up on nomenclature. There are many old school ES classes that players try to replicate using ESO's class system. For example I personally try to replicate the Spellsword, which in other ES games are a class of nimble, pure damage dealers skilled in both physical and magical combat at the cost of defense. I know I won't ever be able to have exactly that, but Stam Sorc is the closest I can get.
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    1) Thundering presence should have the same duration as Boundless, otherwise I see no reason why anyone would want to use it.
    2) I'm fine with Sorcs getting a lightning version of jabs, but I would just tell you to be careful what you wish for.
    3) Stamina Execute. I'm cool with this too, but then I think DK and Templar should have Stamina executes (or in the case of DK even have an execute) for the sake of fairness.

    Stamina Sorcerer is already pretty awesome. My biggest complaint about STorc is the way in which Crit Surge operates versus shields. If they can just allow us to crit shields, then Crit Surge would become a hell of a lot better as a skill, and that would also allow them to make Conjured Ward scale off of health (which I really think is a must). I just feel they should go this route because it helps to balance toward tanks better (which by the way I think the health stat needs a revisit).

    In terms of executes, I agree it should be lightning based, and I would want it to be something like a thor's hammer slamming down or even potentially some kind of lightning uppercut - either way it should be a cool animation. There was another interesting idea for Stamina Sorc executes I read somewhere, and the fellow suggested 'Bound Weapons' as an option. That actually sounded really cool to me as well. I would love a bound weapons skill, although I don't see how they could make something like that to work properly without coming up with a new skill line or by adding a new weapon, lets call them 'Sigil Stones'. With the bonuses that you get as a Storc to damage/spell power this would also make it a lot easier for Sorcerers to far exceed Templar's Balanced Warrior, and that is perhaps why the devs didn't make these cool abilities.

    On the issue of Bound Armor, I agree it shouldn't be a toggle. Nothing should be a toggle in my opinion, it doesn't make sense in a fast paced game like ESO. If this were random MMO 300 with 5 trays of abilities then I could understand toggles, but here in ESO it just doesn't suit the playstyle. I'm actually really happy that they have been phasing toggles out.
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