Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.
No thanks.
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.
No thanks.
Tell us what you really think about your different build.
I really like the bolt rush idea behind that 100%.As for lighting bolt its cool as well ,but what skill would it morph from? Then lightning fury its sounds like a good execute but what do you think rather then calling for lightning from the sky you throw a lightning spear or sumthin like that?
Not to rain on your parade as any ideas on how to help a stam sorç are needed, but I think they just need a spammable class skill. I can love with two handed for the execute and gap closer. Just want something other than wrecking blow to actually damage people.
Some passives could get tweaked to help as well I think.
OP, you're a nord as well? Wow, you're like doubly unloved
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.
No thanks.
Interesting ideas. I am not of the opinion that lightning alone makes a stamina sorcerer or even that mobility should be its defining characteristic - although I agree it is an important class differentiator.
Wrt the suggested skills:
Lightning Fury is too powerful as listed, although I agree with the idea. A spamable 50% health execute (3xdmg) would either be way too strong in execute range or incredibly weak outside of execute range. And the 15% damage bonus when slotted is hugely overpowered in any case.
Personally I would be happier with a non execute decent but not spectacular damage ability that caused a major fracture and could benefit from energised and proc disintegrate.
Bolt Rush I am not keen on - what would you replace? Streak has better utility (offensive and defensive use and no target use) and ball of lightning is better defensively. Bolt Rush doesn't really add much over existing gap closers (although it would help DW sorcerers) and would only add an unnecessary stun (given gap closers have a built in heavy snare) and a mobility buff. Why would I use it over another gap closer?
Lightning bolts
As you said this is a clone of Biting Jabs, and some type of stamina aoe would be nice but an attack that roots you is in direct opposition to a mobility based approach! Better to have a stamina crystal fragments or daedric mines I think.
My view on sorcerers as a whole is that they are a control class with tools to enhance their mobility, to limit opponents mobility, some area denial and some timed burst capabilities. Of these stamina sorcerers really only have access to the mobility and limited area denial via ultimates. If we are supposed to be highly mobile then providing some cc immunity through Lightning Form or Bound Armour would be good, esp as our survivability skills are limited (no effective wards, critical surge healing fails on shields and impenetrable and bolt escape is too costly to be used to escape).
AK47ZOMBIE66 wrote: »If every sorc ability gets a stamina morph then what is going to separate magic/stam sorcs other then what they use to cast their abilities?
Also, no offense to any stam sorcs but aren't Sorcerers supposed to be spellcasters using magic to kill people?
It really doesn't make sense to me why a Sorcerer would want to run around spamming wrecking blow in lightning form.
AK47ZOMBIE66 wrote: »If every sorc ability gets a stamina morph then what is going to separate magic/stam sorcs other then what they use to cast their abilities?
Also, no offense to any stam sorcs but aren't Sorcerers supposed to be spellcasters using magic to kill people?
It really doesn't make sense to me why a Sorcerer would want to run around spamming wrecking blow in lightning form.
Tormjolnir wrote: »Greetings everyone!
Our core identity – What sets us apart?
Fengrush on his streams often asks what our core identity is as Stam Sorcs. What should it be? I think Crit Rush and speed should be the core of what makes us different. No other class heals like Crit Rush and no other class has the options for speed that we do. As such, I think the Major Expedition speed buff should be added to Crit Rush and removed from Thundering Pressence. Keep Thundering as our armour buff/auxillary aoe damage skill similar to Volatile Armour from the DK.
AK47ZOMBIE66 wrote: »If every sorc ability gets a stamina morph then what is going to separate magic/stam sorcs other then what they use to cast their abilities?
Also, no offense to any stam sorcs but aren't Sorcerers supposed to be spellcasters using magic to kill people?
It really doesn't make sense to me why a Sorcerer would want to run around spamming wrecking blow in lightning form.
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.
No thanks.
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.
No thanks.
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.
No thanks.
Tell us what you really think about your different build.
It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.
Any more snarky comments maybe?
@Tormjolnir if you look back at my post history you'll see I have discussed stamina sorcerers a lot... Wrt Bolt Escape - I think DW needs a gap closer not sorcerers. DW is a freaking mess atm imo.
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.
No thanks.Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Disagreed completely. I find Fengrushs stand on stamsorc incredibly boring, lazy and ....obvious, same goes for the playstyle. You plan to make 2h mandatory for stam sorc - are you serious? There`s different, less obvious build choices which work just as well and I would like to keep playing them, without becoming a sad wb monkey.
No thanks.
Tell us what you really think about your different build.
It offers more than critcharge spamming, ha clipping & wb spamming. Players with more apm than your average grandma can actually dump their speed into something wortwhile. It feels more fluid, more responsive, less abusive and far more rewarding.
Any more snarky comments maybe?
I actually dont use HA clipping cause I... use molag kena! Youd know that if you actually watched my incredibly boring build!
I dont use only 2 hander for builds, but its hard to cut away from it in open world scenarios and be able to 1vX. S+B is your only other option, Id love to entertain the other options youve come up with, but the reality is they wont work on any player with a bit experience.
S+B is comparable to 2hander - the real difference is the window of burst on one vs the other. While they dont differ too largely, they differ in execute/closing time so yes - my open world build consists of 2hander. Also offers burst healing on retreat/midfight with surge that is reliable.
You want to insult me for using WB, but the reality is 2hander is very core to stam sorc because the gap closer is a guaranteed crit that always heals you. Something I explain in a lot of videos. I could do very well using just crit rush and making a DPS S+B bar as well, and I have done that. But the reality is I can tuck more utility on my bars by doing it the way I have set it up.
Sorry you dont find it appealing - I dont make build videos to show people 'how good I am'. I never intended to make build videos. I only did it after popular demand and getting the same question on stream 20x a day. It seems like youre just taking shots at me because you dont like me or what Ive popularized. I apologize our options are limited - but if you think otherwise you are either delusional or inexperienced.
My new builds (dueling builds) focus around bow and S+B. Youll be happy to see lots of non 2hander action Im sure. But it doesnt look like you know the builds too well if you said Im HA clipping, as Ive stressed the weaving of my attacks in my builds. You probably have just seen blips of combat.
AK47ZOMBIE66 wrote: »Also, no offense to any stam sorcs but aren't Sorcerers supposed to be spellcasters using magic to kill people?
It really doesn't make sense to me why a Sorcerer would want to run around spamming wrecking blow in lightning form.