ESO, WOW, and the future...

khele23eb17_ESO

Zorrashi wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

@Rayste

Honest mate you would be very dispoint in WoW the whole game is more or less toxic people are very selfish in WoW it is all about get best gear/DPS in that game the are not much of RPG element left in it.

• WoW you can buy lvl boost so you basically only need to play last expansion so you will more or less lvl alone in all content below the last expansion
• LFG and LFR is nightmare if you dont enough DPS you get kick out when i play Mists of Pandaria if did not mini 120.000 DPS you got kick and people call each other bad in channel when play in LFR also in LFR Boss fight is very boring you basically spam 1 or 2 button
• WoW have become very linear with that i mean you have use same talent like everyone and everyone run around basically with same gear
• You are lucky to join guild many guild have a rule you need to gear up in LFR before you start raid with them
• PvP we should even start with that one almost all battleground have bots in them and arena is basically only place that are no bots
• You have pay every month to play WoW
• Graphic art is cartoon

I have been playing WoW since 2004 and honest the game i start play back in 2004 and which i love is no more i know MMO change mostly to better but in WoW case i feel it change to worst but this what i personal think.

I stop play WoW for people was basically bullying my gf it start in LFG and LFR and it went so make char on same server as we and whisper to her call her name, told her she should never play MMO and so on just for she have disability which make her not react as fast or she miss thing like see where boss sometime go hit next.

Ofc we report this to blizzard but nothing happen we did not get answer from blizzard so just keep go to 1 day i found her sit her at home cry when I come home from work that was the day we decide we stop play WoW.

Well *** those guys

As quaint as that sentiment is for dealing with jerk-players normally, WoW at this point enables jerks to be--well, jerks. The tools are there and the community is forged, WoW has the stereotype of being the "the game full of elitists" because by this point the game and community as a general whole encourages it.

That might be a downside although its quite possible to find a guild that has a more laid back attitude, only doing normals and not bothering with heroic/mythic content. The upside is that its a game where all the tooltips and skill descriptions are precise and tell you exactly what the skill/talent/bonus does. All the information on your character sheet is updated instantly and correctly when you change a piece of gear. The UI in game can be as detailed or as minimalistic as you want. Its a game that never tried to hide balance issues behind excuses like: 'we want you to have an authentic gaming experience' or some such.

Bromburak

Since DAOC I am waiting, waiting and waiting for a good game and RvR System.
All games with exception of ESO failed.

You really can see the influence from Matt and Brian in ESO, and why Matt hired Brian again.
And yes IC is not like Darkness Falls or Shadow Lab in DAOC but they are damn close.

As well you can see and follow what Mark Jacobs is trying todo with Camelot Unchained.
Apparently some key positions of old Mythic Entertainment crew proved to get things moving in MMOs when it comes to kick ass pvp concepts.

They have been pioneers 20 years ago and they still very passionated, without them we would have to play games with small instanced maps with some CTF or silly 2 faction PvP.
I highly appreciate what these guys have done for us gamers in the gaming industry.
PvP Innovation at its best.

Xellos77

Zorrashi wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

@Rayste

Honest mate you would be very dispoint in WoW the whole game is more or less toxic people are very selfish in WoW it is all about get best gear/DPS in that game the are not much of RPG element left in it.

• WoW you can buy lvl boost so you basically only need to play last expansion so you will more or less lvl alone in all content below the last expansion
• LFG and LFR is nightmare if you dont enough DPS you get kick out when i play Mists of Pandaria if did not mini 120.000 DPS you got kick and people call each other bad in channel when play in LFR also in LFR Boss fight is very boring you basically spam 1 or 2 button
• WoW have become very linear with that i mean you have use same talent like everyone and everyone run around basically with same gear
• You are lucky to join guild many guild have a rule you need to gear up in LFR before you start raid with them
• PvP we should even start with that one almost all battleground have bots in them and arena is basically only place that are no bots
• You have pay every month to play WoW
• Graphic art is cartoon

I have been playing WoW since 2004 and honest the game i start play back in 2004 and which i love is no more i know MMO change mostly to better but in WoW case i feel it change to worst but this what i personal think.

I stop play WoW for people was basically bullying my gf it start in LFG and LFR and it went so make char on same server as we and whisper to her call her name, told her she should never play MMO and so on just for she have disability which make her not react as fast or she miss thing like see where boss sometime go hit next.

Ofc we report this to blizzard but nothing happen we did not get answer from blizzard so just keep go to 1 day i found her sit her at home cry when I come home from work that was the day we decide we stop play WoW.

Well *** those guys

As quaint as that sentiment is for dealing with jerk-players normally, WoW at this point enables jerks to be--well, jerks. The tools are there and the community is forged, WoW has the stereotype of being the "the game full of elitists" because by this point the game and community as a general whole encourages it.

I'm not saying all WoW players are like this of course, but WoW has certainly lived up to its (in)famous reputation of having a playerbase mostly concerned with FOTM builds and BiS gear.

However, herein lies the irony because WoW isn't the only perpetrator of "elitist" activity, BiS princesses, and FOTM fan-billies. How is ESO or any other MMO different from this? Let's review.

FOTM: Why everyone is clamoring for DK Magicka builds and nearly everyone wants to dump their Templars.
BiS: Umm.. Hello, everyone wants best in slot gear. It's an MMO. That's half of the game.
"Elitist" activity: Yup, ESO has fingers in that pie too. And, it'll only get worse with the ESO OG's. Haven't you been reading threads from those OG's wanting loyalty capes or whatever?

Every MMO suffers from the above mentioned points. They are synonymous with MMOs. WoW's just one of the older ones that started out fun and bumpy (I remember it taking hours--even as a tank--to find a group before BC--and you had to run around asking everyone, there was no GF tool). Leveling? Weeks to hit level 20.

I admit that it, like all MMOs nowadays, cater to the masses instead of a niche market; they have to if they want to make money and feed families. But don't ever think any MMO is immune to the above-noted points.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

What you're asking for has already been confirmed to be in the works. Why was another topic made about battlefields and arenas?

Yeah it's in the works but we probably won't get it till Q1/Q2 next year which is obscene seeing the first DLC we got was a PvP DLC, and afterwards multiple PvE DLCs followed.

Khaos_Bane

lordrichter wrote: »

Rayste wrote: »

Would not a battleground/arena draw players from WOW? I honestly believe it would. Players are looking for something more and with this combat system the sky is the limit.

I compare WoW and ESO quite a bit, not only here on the forums, but when talking with other gamers.

The issue really is not adding battlegrounds and arenas in order to attract WoW players. The difference in combat philosophy between WoW and ESO is quite the chasm. If they cannot bridge that chasm, filling Tamriel with battlegrounds and arenas will not bring them over. I crossed that chasm. I know WoW players who I doubt would want to.

If ESO does structured PVP arenas, it should be for ESO players, not to draw in WoW players. The people they need to attract are the people who are tired of the "same old MMO stuff" that you can find in dozens of other MMOs out there. The need to provide PVP content that is more than just another implementation of an MMO trope.

If all they do with PVP arenas, or any other part of ESO for that matter, is what is "expected" per the MMO tropes (edit: so they can pull from WoW), they will have ultimately failed.

What do you mean combat philosophy? What are you talking about specifically. I played WoW for many years and found the combat very very boring. ESO shines in combat.

Xellos77

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Rayste wrote: »

Would not a battleground/arena draw players from WOW? I honestly believe it would. Players are looking for something more and with this combat system the sky is the limit.

I compare WoW and ESO quite a bit, not only here on the forums, but when talking with other gamers.

The issue really is not adding battlegrounds and arenas in order to attract WoW players. The difference in combat philosophy between WoW and ESO is quite the chasm. If they cannot bridge that chasm, filling Tamriel with battlegrounds and arenas will not bring them over. I crossed that chasm. I know WoW players who I doubt would want to.

If ESO does structured PVP arenas, it should be for ESO players, not to draw in WoW players. The people they need to attract are the people who are tired of the "same old MMO stuff" that you can find in dozens of other MMOs out there. The need to provide PVP content that is more than just another implementation of an MMO trope.

If all they do with PVP arenas, or any other part of ESO for that matter, is what is "expected" per the MMO tropes (edit: so they can pull from WoW), they will have ultimately failed.

What do you mean combat philosophy? What are you talking about specifically. I played WoW for many years and found the combat very very boring. ESO shines in combat.

I can agree with this. At least ESO feels more active with combat, whereas WoW you spend more time waiting for timers to begin or end abilities. It's a variance of type.

wolfydog

Well, no matter the content, most MMO's and multiplayer games boil down to have some fun people to play with, which will keep you going no even when the content is stale.

ESO definatly has been a bit slower getting the content out then most MMO's, but least since console launch now they seem to have a plan plenty of good stuff coming. But for myself I definatly have taken a month here and a month there off from ESO just do to boredom really.

I also feel like theres not enough to do at high level either in ESO. New zones are great like Wrothgar and such, but definatly would like more high level content. Fromt he thieves guild and such it seems like more is coming. I wish there were actually raids, don't even gotta crazy things like 16 players or whatever. Even smaller scale raids in a game like Destiny were tons of fun with only 6 people. Cyrodil is ok, but somedays I just don't want to deal with that. That's where battlegrounds would be a lot of fun. If you every played a Call of Duty or any other online shooters, that's kinda what like battlegrounds are. Join your match, fight for 15 minutues or whatever, match over, repeat. It is a lot of fun.

I had fun with WOW back in the day but I was always an Everquest 2 player. WoW to me was just a little diversion on the side from my main games. I do have some nostalgia for it so I do enjoy going back and playing old zones, hearing the music and enjoying the game, but it really shows its age, and its not even the graphics because I still think the world itself is a great place to explore. But it sucks when do a quest in the old part of the wolrd and get some real crappy low resoultuon armor to wear on your character, The mechanics and combat are just so slow and boring nowadays compared to newer MMO's as well. The main thing WoW just has is content, and it runs practically on any PC and is probably just habit for people too but I think that's finally stopping with so many players leaving that game. In the end its still over 10 years old and theres only so you can do with it. No newer MMO has really improved the formula so much that it makes all older MMO's junk, but newer MMO's definatly do some things better that WoW could never compete with nowadays.

Robbmrp

Just some info on WoW. I played that from 2003-2009 and left as it was starting to feel cartoony. The game didn't change really, I did. The older I got, the more it started to feel that way.

As far as combat goes, it's more of a stand and cast based fighting. You cannot control dodge, block or parry as it's all RNG based. For someone who's played ESO, I believe you would find it really lack luster and drop it quite quickly. The quests are worse than ESO's by far.

The only thing it had going for it when I left was the Battlegrounds. To be able to queue up against others at any time was really nice. There were also a few different types of them to choose from also.

Hopefully ZOS will take notes on those and deliver us the same type of options. Right now Cyrodil and Imperial City just aren't cutting it for a lot of people, me included.

Elsonso

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Rayste wrote: »

Would not a battleground/arena draw players from WOW? I honestly believe it would. Players are looking for something more and with this combat system the sky is the limit.

I compare WoW and ESO quite a bit, not only here on the forums, but when talking with other gamers.

The issue really is not adding battlegrounds and arenas in order to attract WoW players. The difference in combat philosophy between WoW and ESO is quite the chasm. If they cannot bridge that chasm, filling Tamriel with battlegrounds and arenas will not bring them over. I crossed that chasm. I know WoW players who I doubt would want to.

If ESO does structured PVP arenas, it should be for ESO players, not to draw in WoW players. The people they need to attract are the people who are tired of the "same old MMO stuff" that you can find in dozens of other MMOs out there. The need to provide PVP content that is more than just another implementation of an MMO trope.

If all they do with PVP arenas, or any other part of ESO for that matter, is what is "expected" per the MMO tropes (edit: so they can pull from WoW), they will have ultimately failed.

What do you mean combat philosophy? What are you talking about specifically. I played WoW for many years and found the combat very very boring. ESO shines in combat.

Well, if you played WoW for many years and found combat very very boring, and find that ESO shines in combat, what exactly are you expecting me to tell you that you don't already know?

WoW PVE combat is built around the idea of "whack a mole". As something on one of the action bars comes ready (pops up), you whack it down. Target locks, auto attacks, and predictable mobs are all ways to make sure that the player has plenty of time to execute on the rotation. I think that challenging PVE content comes when the devs put in stuff designed to make players stumble in the rotation. Add-ons that perform timer functions and flash stuff that needs to be done are player designed ways to keep the rotation rhythm going. In WoW, L2P is synonymous with "learn your rotation."

ESO is more of a dynamic combat that is less about rotations and more about situational awareness, position, movement, and player skill. Players that can successfully achieve high performance in this game, without the need for timers and instructional aids, will probably find WoW combat terribly boring and complicated. Particularly in PVE.

remilafo

Black desert Online people... less than 2 months away.

All the awesomeness of ESO combat system but better with extra features..

and it's pvp centric.. GG ESO

KanedaSyndrome

Necrelios wrote: »

I think MMO's have seen their day, and it's now the dawn of cooperative shared world experiences. There's new games on the horizon like The Division which offer a tiny, tiny world but it is full of dynamic events with unlimited replayability. There is a small hub where you meet up with other players, and if you want to form a group, those players can enter your part of the world. Everyone has there own, identical instanced "zone" and only those in their group are allowed to enter.

Each zone has different events going on at any given time, so you head back to the hub, go back into your zone, and everything has updated with new stuff to do. It's a lot of fun with none of this linear completed forever feeling left with nothing else to do until you buy the next DLC or expansion like ESO or WoW.

I just think people are waiting for two things to happen:

1. Death of WoW
2. 3rd Generation MMOs (We're stuck in 2nd generation imo)

Aldarenn

I recently came back to ESO, but my computer is not handling the performance issues well. I went to play a series of MMOs during my 6 month break

- WoW's PvP can be somewhat bad because the battlegrounds are mainly about zerging the objective (usually King of the Hill or very similar) and if you don't get there, you're pretty much camped for 15 mins as the scores are usually very linear and not to mention battle servers where some factions just straight out-populate the others. Class balance is far worse than ESO as I rolled Feral Druid at that time and just couldn't die. WoW Arena is mainly group composition and I'm disappointed with people buying their way through 2v2 now. Ashran is just a sorry excuse for PvPvE, you need to grind this though. It gets old fast and this is also purely about faction size - win all. The PvP in this game isn't nearly as hardcore as it used to be, so if you're a casual this might be for you.

-FFXIV PvP is great, but the problem can be queue times. This game has 3 factions like ESO and although the Battlegrounds are very limited, they require you to coordinate with other random players (unless you form your own Premades). The PvP can be quite zergy, but the game does not have much issues with class balance. Also, there is an update in 2 weeks that will implement level 60 Arena, and will include 8v8 Arena as well as the 4v4 already in the game. My issue is mainly the fact that this game is mostly a PvE MMORPG, and by that I mean the PvP community is very small and the hardcore PvPers are usually also dedicated PvErs.

-BnS is just imbalanced atm, not even worth touching it. Roll SMN and win! QQ BM (like Stam NB 1.0 lol)

-BDO just went P2W in Russia, nuff said.

-I played Skyforge for a bit, and that was worse than the CP system. Also went P2W.

FeaR Turbo

Aldarenn wrote: »

-BDO just went P2W in Russia, nuff said.

Just wondering how it went P2W? I just pre ordered NA version.

Vekoeros

Wanna play an MMO that has no level or skill cap and very little restrictions on player activity go check out TIBIA, ugh, can't believe I just said that. It is a retro grapics MMO that has been out for 16-17 years now it kept me quite entertained for a very long time (I played it all the way up until I got ESO) it's major appeal to me which is something I wish every MMO had is an actual death penalty when you die you lose exp you had a 10% chance to lose your equipment 100% chance to lose your BP.
It had a decent housing system a good item storage/banking system.
It kept me hooked for a very long time and kept me coming back for about 14 years because it was FUN and ENTERTAINING which are the 2 main reasons I ever feel the need to play a video game if you are no longer enjoying your time then maybe it's time to lay off a little take a short break and come back when you feel you can enjoy the game for what it is.

Bossdonut

Zorrashi wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

@Rayste

Honest mate you would be very dispoint in WoW the whole game is more or less toxic people are very selfish in WoW it is all about get best gear/DPS in that game the are not much of RPG element left in it.

• WoW you can buy lvl boost so you basically only need to play last expansion so you will more or less lvl alone in all content below the last expansion
• LFG and LFR is nightmare if you dont enough DPS you get kick out when i play Mists of Pandaria if did not mini 120.000 DPS you got kick and people call each other bad in channel when play in LFR also in LFR Boss fight is very boring you basically spam 1 or 2 button
• WoW have become very linear with that i mean you have use same talent like everyone and everyone run around basically with same gear
• You are lucky to join guild many guild have a rule you need to gear up in LFR before you start raid with them
• PvP we should even start with that one almost all battleground have bots in them and arena is basically only place that are no bots
• You have pay every month to play WoW
• Graphic art is cartoon

I have been playing WoW since 2004 and honest the game i start play back in 2004 and which i love is no more i know MMO change mostly to better but in WoW case i feel it change to worst but this what i personal think.

I stop play WoW for people was basically bullying my gf it start in LFG and LFR and it went so make char on same server as we and whisper to her call her name, told her she should never play MMO and so on just for she have disability which make her not react as fast or she miss thing like see where boss sometime go hit next.

Ofc we report this to blizzard but nothing happen we did not get answer from blizzard so just keep go to 1 day i found her sit her at home cry when I come home from work that was the day we decide we stop play WoW.

Well *** those guys

As quaint as that sentiment is for dealing with jerk-players normally, WoW at this point enables jerks to be--well, jerks. The tools are there and the community is forged, WoW has the stereotype of being the "the game full of elitists" because by this point the game and community as a general whole encourages it.

I'm not saying all WoW players are like this of course, but WoW has certainly lived up to its (in)famous reputation of having a playerbase mostly concerned with FOTM builds and BiS gear.

There's no penalty in any mmos these days other than eve. Even in ESO the worst thing that can happen to you is losing stones in IC. That's why people can get away with acting like that.

I remember back in UO people would occasionally fire off their soup coolers in a similar fashion. The result is them getting hunted down for weeks at a time. And in that game if you died you lost everything.

What happens if you do that in any current MMO? You get reported and banned for griefing.

slumber_sandb16_ESO

Im not a pvper but I think they should add pvp arenas along with tournaments, leaderboards and all that jazz. A gladiatorial style fighting pit where you can fight 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 etc but cant earn AP points so people have an incentive to go to cyrodiil too.

Volkodav

Zorrashi wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

@Rayste

Honest mate you would be very dispoint in WoW the whole game is more or less toxic people are very selfish in WoW it is all about get best gear/DPS in that game the are not much of RPG element left in it.

• WoW you can buy lvl boost so you basically only need to play last expansion so you will more or less lvl alone in all content below the last expansion
• LFG and LFR is nightmare if you dont enough DPS you get kick out when i play Mists of Pandaria if did not mini 120.000 DPS you got kick and people call each other bad in channel when play in LFR also in LFR Boss fight is very boring you basically spam 1 or 2 button
• WoW have become very linear with that i mean you have use same talent like everyone and everyone run around basically with same gear
• You are lucky to join guild many guild have a rule you need to gear up in LFR before you start raid with them
• PvP we should even start with that one almost all battleground have bots in them and arena is basically only place that are no bots
• You have pay every month to play WoW
• Graphic art is cartoon

I have been playing WoW since 2004 and honest the game i start play back in 2004 and which i love is no more i know MMO change mostly to better but in WoW case i feel it change to worst but this what i personal think.

I stop play WoW for people was basically bullying my gf it start in LFG and LFR and it went so make char on same server as we and whisper to her call her name, told her she should never play MMO and so on just for she have disability which make her not react as fast or she miss thing like see where boss sometime go hit next.

Ofc we report this to blizzard but nothing happen we did not get answer from blizzard so just keep go to 1 day i found her sit her at home cry when I come home from work that was the day we decide we stop play WoW.

Well *** those guys

As quaint as that sentiment is for dealing with jerk-players normally, WoW at this point enables jerks to be--well, jerks. The tools are there and the community is forged, WoW has the stereotype of being the "the game full of elitists" because by this point the game and community as a general whole encourages it.

I'm not saying all WoW players are like this of course, but WoW has certainly lived up to its (in)famous reputation of having a playerbase mostly concerned with FOTM builds and BiS gear.

So what if WoW seems elitist to you.There's no problem in wanting to be the best.This game does the same thing.It has PvP and they tend to get rather elitist for the most part.Working for that endgame gear,to be the best(which is what PvP is for),and they also tend to brag a lot.
NOT all of them though.I have met some PvPers who are really nice.I speak of those who get annoyed about their stats and gear all the time.
As to WoW being toxic a was mentioned above, I have NEVER found it to be.Just in Stormhaven.but they arent attacking anyone with their gear.They just go there to show off their mounts and play around.

Wolfshead

Volkodav wrote: »

Zorrashi wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

@Rayste

Honest mate you would be very dispoint in WoW the whole game is more or less toxic people are very selfish in WoW it is all about get best gear/DPS in that game the are not much of RPG element left in it.

• WoW you can buy lvl boost so you basically only need to play last expansion so you will more or less lvl alone in all content below the last expansion
• LFG and LFR is nightmare if you dont enough DPS you get kick out when i play Mists of Pandaria if did not mini 120.000 DPS you got kick and people call each other bad in channel when play in LFR also in LFR Boss fight is very boring you basically spam 1 or 2 button
• WoW have become very linear with that i mean you have use same talent like everyone and everyone run around basically with same gear
• You are lucky to join guild many guild have a rule you need to gear up in LFR before you start raid with them
• PvP we should even start with that one almost all battleground have bots in them and arena is basically only place that are no bots
• You have pay every month to play WoW
• Graphic art is cartoon

I have been playing WoW since 2004 and honest the game i start play back in 2004 and which i love is no more i know MMO change mostly to better but in WoW case i feel it change to worst but this what i personal think.

I stop play WoW for people was basically bullying my gf it start in LFG and LFR and it went so make char on same server as we and whisper to her call her name, told her she should never play MMO and so on just for she have disability which make her not react as fast or she miss thing like see where boss sometime go hit next.

Ofc we report this to blizzard but nothing happen we did not get answer from blizzard so just keep go to 1 day i found her sit her at home cry when I come home from work that was the day we decide we stop play WoW.

Well *** those guys

As quaint as that sentiment is for dealing with jerk-players normally, WoW at this point enables jerks to be--well, jerks. The tools are there and the community is forged, WoW has the stereotype of being the "the game full of elitists" because by this point the game and community as a general whole encourages it.

I'm not saying all WoW players are like this of course, but WoW has certainly lived up to its (in)famous reputation of having a playerbase mostly concerned with FOTM builds and BiS gear.

So what if WoW seems elitist to you.There's no problem in wanting to be the best.This game does the same thing.It has PvP and they tend to get rather elitist for the most part.Working for that endgame gear,to be the best(which is what PvP is for),and they also tend to brag a lot.
NOT all of them though.I have met some PvPers who are really nice.I speak of those who get annoyed about their stats and gear all the time.
As to WoW being toxic a was mentioned above, I have NEVER found it to be.Just in Stormhaven.but they arent attacking anyone with their gear.They just go there to show off their mounts and play around.

I dont know how it is on US server in WoW but EU is can be really bad honest after we move over to ESO my gf can play and enjoy game and people do understand her disability and those people and friends we have meet in ESO dont care how dps each person do the are just like as enjoy game and fun time the even help her in ESO let her take her time when do quest.

Honest in all MMO i have play with my gf no one come close to have so much toxic people the are in WoW sure the are so call "elitist" in all MMO there is nothing we can do about that but fact in most all other MMO player respect other player on other lvl then the do in WoW again this ofc my own personal experience.

Btw how would you feel to see them one you love with your whole heart sit infront computer cry or on couch for someone somewhere in world call her name and mocking her without know her personal just for that person think he/her is answer to god in game.

But if OP want to try out WoW i just want to make sure that people in WoW is not all nice to each other.

Asherons_Call

Wow has no future. Unless they completely revamp the stupid cartoon graphics

AnnieK

Drakilian wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

@Rayste

Honest mate you would be very dispoint in WoW the whole game is more or less toxic people are very selfish in WoW it is all about get best gear/DPS in that game the are not much of RPG element left in it.

• WoW you can buy lvl boost so you basically only need to play last expansion so you will more or less lvl alone in all content below the last expansion
• LFG and LFR is nightmare if you dont enough DPS you get kick out when i play Mists of Pandaria if did not mini 120.000 DPS you got kick and people call each other bad in channel when play in LFR also in LFR Boss fight is very boring you basically spam 1 or 2 button
• WoW have become very linear with that i mean you have use same talent like everyone and everyone run around basically with same gear
• You are lucky to join guild many guild have a rule you need to gear up in LFR before you start raid with them
• PvP we should even start with that one almost all battleground have bots in them and arena is basically only place that are no bots
• You have pay every month to play WoW
• Graphic art is cartoon

I have been playing WoW since 2004 and honest the game i start play back in 2004 and which i love is no more i know MMO change mostly to better but in WoW case i feel it change to worst but this what i personal think.

I stop play WoW for people was basically bullying my gf it start in LFG and LFR and it went so make char on same server as we and whisper to her call her name, told her she should never play MMO and so on just for she have disability which make her not react as fast or she miss thing like see where boss sometime go hit next.

Ofc we report this to blizzard but nothing happen we did not get answer from blizzard so just keep go to 1 day i found her sit her at home cry when I come home from work that was the day we decide we stop play WoW.

Well *** those guys

There are a ton of elitists in WOW with bad attitudes. I played from BC through Legion and honestly, it started to lose me after Pandaria. Best time for me was Lich King and raiding with my guild but that took too much time so when they launched LFR, I started to do that and it was OK for a bit but not as much fun. Many of my friends still play WOW but I think I have left for good. I much prefer ESO for the look, the combat and the people,

DanaDark

Everquest 1 has a new progression server coming.

Go old school.

bulbousb16_ESO

WoW is a terrible game. Just awful. Go ahead, give it a try and see if you still have it installed after a couple of hours.

QuebraRegra

Sausage wrote: »

If you want something different Conan Exiles should be it, its multiplayer open world survival game, like H1Z1, DayZ, or Ark, but it comes from experienced MMORPG developers, its only game I really look forward tbh. Early Access start in Summer 2016. I hope theres enough progression for at least 500 hour or so.

it's coming to consoles as well... eventually... minus the ***-slider .

We need more decent fantasy MMOs on console. I'm not sure if the crafting bent of CONAN EXILES will be quite the thing for me, but It'll be nice to have an alternative to try. I do like the look of the dungeon they added with environmental traps, etc.

Kodrac

AnnieK wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

@Rayste

Honest mate you would be very dispoint in WoW the whole game is more or less toxic people are very selfish in WoW it is all about get best gear/DPS in that game the are not much of RPG element left in it.

• WoW you can buy lvl boost so you basically only need to play last expansion so you will more or less lvl alone in all content below the last expansion
• LFG and LFR is nightmare if you dont enough DPS you get kick out when i play Mists of Pandaria if did not mini 120.000 DPS you got kick and people call each other bad in channel when play in LFR also in LFR Boss fight is very boring you basically spam 1 or 2 button
• WoW have become very linear with that i mean you have use same talent like everyone and everyone run around basically with same gear
• You are lucky to join guild many guild have a rule you need to gear up in LFR before you start raid with them
• PvP we should even start with that one almost all battleground have bots in them and arena is basically only place that are no bots
• You have pay every month to play WoW
• Graphic art is cartoon

I have been playing WoW since 2004 and honest the game i start play back in 2004 and which i love is no more i know MMO change mostly to better but in WoW case i feel it change to worst but this what i personal think.

I stop play WoW for people was basically bullying my gf it start in LFG and LFR and it went so make char on same server as we and whisper to her call her name, told her she should never play MMO and so on just for she have disability which make her not react as fast or she miss thing like see where boss sometime go hit next.

Ofc we report this to blizzard but nothing happen we did not get answer from blizzard so just keep go to 1 day i found her sit her at home cry when I come home from work that was the day we decide we stop play WoW.

Well *** those guys

There are a ton of elitists in WOW with bad attitudes. I played from BC through Legion and honestly, it started to lose me after Pandaria. Best time for me was Lich King and raiding with my guild but that took too much time so when they launched LFR, I started to do that and it was OK for a bit but not as much fun. Many of my friends still play WOW but I think I have left for good. I much prefer ESO for the look, the combat and the people,

Are you a necromancer?

ZOS_Bill

As this thread is from a few months ago, it is considered a necro and will be closed. If you still wish to discuss this subject constructively you are welcome to make a new thread.