Buff Sorcerers!

Artjuh90

sorc highest DPS numbers in PvE.
Sorc hardest to kill with high dps numbers in PvP.
ye they are underpreforming /sarcasm

Inarre

The way cp changes to thurmaturge have gone sorcerers already received a massive damage buff both in pve and pvp.

Valrien

Inarre wrote: »

The way cp changes to thurmaturge have gone sorcerers already received a massive damage buff both in pve and pvp.

"massive"

Artjuh90 wrote: »

sorc highest DPS numbers in PvE.
Sorc hardest to kill with high dps numbers in PvP.
ye they are underpreforming /sarcasm

Highest DPS for what, 45 seconds?

KramUzibra

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I'm going to assume you've done no testing and are offering opinions based on patch notes only. Unless I am mistaken the champion passives Hardy, Elemental Defender and Thick Skinned have always affected wards. So the more cp you invest in these as a sorc the more resistant your hardened ward is to magic, elemental damage and dots. Assuming these champion passives will still apply to wards in the new patch, the changes to Hardy will be a substantial indirect buff to hardened ward against stam builds. Why not wait to see how things pan out in that respect?

I'm cool with no spammable damage ability. I agree our other ultimates need some love.

The same can be said for all other forms of defense in the game, as well as people buffing their damage output not only in general but also toward shields specifically. I've never been a fan of how little sorc's have for room in terms of class development. There is the relatively unchanged bolty, bursty, shield based build that earns a lot of hate and then what?

At least now there have been some interesting pet changes but even then the pets only scale on sorcs who stack max magicka and nothing else. There are so many things the class could be or could do but there are just so many things in the way that they can't really take advantage of them.

The issue for me with pets is purely the micro-management aspect; I don't want to have to control minions, it's not a playstyle I enjoy/am good at. So it wouldn't really matter how much they buffed pets, unless they make it so I can have the pets on ts with me I'm not interested. I think a lot of players feel like this towards pets, so they will always be partly redundant imo. I would be happy for them to be replaced with something else entirely, as long as it could be balanced without detracting from sorcs ability for burst damage, because that's the playstyle I enjoy.

The champion passive to increase damage on shields does worry me I'll admit, mainly because, just like the shield-breaker set, it penalises single-shield users as much as shield-stackers. As someone who only uses hardened ward in pvp I'm worried I might now feel pressured to go back to using harness and healing. But this is the only nerf sorcs have received, every other change has been a potential buff in our favour. So I'm prepared to wait to see how things pan out before crying foul about this passive.

Sounds like you just want things to be as easy as possible and take no skill. Sorc suits you.

Wow there, would you like to quote the bit where I insulted you making your insult necessary? Did I do something to upset you? I want things to be as balanced as possible. I'm honest about not liking the micro-management playstyle and you feel the need to jump down my throat? You're now on my radar as someone not to take that seriously. Shame. Fwiw I admitted to only using hardened ward in pvp, as in I don't shield stack, but of course I want things to be as easy as possible and take no skill. Sorc has suited me since april 2014, thanks.

I don't understand?? If shield stacking is more beneficial then hardened ward. Yet you use hardened ward over sheild stacking then wouldn't that be a negative choice on your part. It sounds kinda like your not using ur sorc to its fullest potential. I play xbox1 and my sisters boyfriend signsofthetimes has a magic sorc and he dominates the field in pvp. Some advice if your willing to accept, you should go on youtube and look up sorc builds and study other plyers builds and play styles you may learn a few things and potentially improve and create builds that are stronger and better than those youv studied.

Toxic_Hemlock

You misspelled templar.

KramUzibra

Valrien wrote: »

pecheckler wrote: »

I can't believe there are players legitimately complaining about sorcerers being underpowered.

I can't believe you're too ignorant to see that Sorcs are lacking in PvE content due to their reliance on burst (only good in PvP and extremely short boss fights).

Iv personally witnessed signsofthetimes solo vet dungeons and he's a magic sorc. All you have to do is youtube and you can see all kinds of sorcs soloing pve content. Sorcs and high offense high defense and many viable ways of maintaining all resources.

KramUzibra

Valrien wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

The way cp changes to thurmaturge have gone sorcerers already received a massive damage buff both in pve and pvp.

"massive"

Artjuh90 wrote: »

sorc highest DPS numbers in PvE.
Sorc hardest to kill with high dps numbers in PvP.
ye they are underpreforming /sarcasm

Highest DPS for what, 45 seconds?

If you have time try and join a dueling guild. Sorcs dominate 1v1s at lease that's what iv witnessed on xbix one

Drakilian

How to make pets useful in PvP: Have them apply a root to enemy players each time they attack.

Valrien

KramUzibra wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

The way cp changes to thurmaturge have gone sorcerers already received a massive damage buff both in pve and pvp.

"massive"

Artjuh90 wrote: »

sorc highest DPS numbers in PvE.
Sorc hardest to kill with high dps numbers in PvP.
ye they are underpreforming /sarcasm

Highest DPS for what, 45 seconds?

If you have time try and join a dueling guild. Sorcs dominate 1v1s at lease that's what iv witnessed on xbix one

I'm in a dueling guild. Please stop talking to me like I'm a noob, I've played a Sorcerer for about 2 years.

I won't deny that they're good in PvP, shield could use some reworking if not buffs, but in PvE they're lacking...then again who cares about PvE? Am I right? Every change is balanced around PvP so why not leave Sorcs the way they are because they're successful in PvP!!

MikeB

People wanting to use pets in PvP, stop, just stop. You know they don't stealth with you, right? It's obvious pet builds are meants for PvE, not PvP. All mmo's I've played have different builds for PvE and PvP, pets are a PvE build in ESO and they're not good at that, still.

Thelon

MikeB wrote: »

pets are a PvE build in ESO and they're not good at that, still.

That's, like, your opinion, man

MikeB

Thelon wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

pets are a PvE build in ESO and they're not good at that, still.

That's, like, your opinion, man

No, its a fact. I laughed (along with the large group I played with) at Sorcs running pets in PvP, especially when they were trying to stealth and hide. I've yet to meet one that wasnt easy to kill. Pets are daedra, they take one silver bolt to kill and its an over kill. That's if you even care about the pets since they do so little damage and little to nothing else.

Tankqull

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I agree, sorcerers need a buff. Just look how long it took this team of sorcerers to kill the flesh sculptor. Pathetic.
https://youtu.be/AszE5GuCTHI

well thats exactly the point overlol is far to strong while without it sorcs are pure buls.hit in pve

tennant94

Sorcs don't need any buffs lol I can't believe this is real.

Valrien

Tankqull wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I agree, sorcerers need a buff. Just look how long it took this team of sorcerers to kill the flesh sculptor. Pathetic.
https://youtu.be/AszE5GuCTHI

well thats exactly the point overlol is far to strong while without it sorcs are pure buls.hit in pve

THANK YOU! Sorcs suck without it and if the fight is a minute or less you can Overload the whole time and burn it too fast. There is no medium. They're either REALLY bad or REALLY good (in most fights) and in the new Trial...they're going to suck hard because you can't burst those bosses down in a minute or less.

I could see them being useful in Overloading the trash on the second boss though :P

LorDrek

Give dk same schield stacking, same dmg on standart as overload or nerf sorc.

Thelon

MikeB wrote: »

No, its a fact.

Valrien

Thelon wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

No, its a fact.

You, my friend, get an "Awesome"

Valrien

So do people still disagree with me here?

A spam able single-target damage ability would be nice. Possibly also an AoE spam. Since the other three classes have one and stuff...

KramUzibra

Valrien wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

The way cp changes to thurmaturge have gone sorcerers already received a massive damage buff both in pve and pvp.

"massive"

Artjuh90 wrote: »

sorc highest DPS numbers in PvE.
Sorc hardest to kill with high dps numbers in PvP.
ye they are underpreforming /sarcasm

Highest DPS for what, 45 seconds?

If you have time try and join a dueling guild. Sorcs dominate 1v1s at lease that's what iv witnessed on xbix one

I'm in a dueling guild. Please stop talking to me like I'm a noob, I've played a Sorcerer for about 2 years.

I won't deny that they're good in PvP, shield could use some reworking if not buffs, but in PvE they're lacking...then again who cares about PvE? Am I right? Every change is balanced around PvP so why not leave Sorcs the way they are because they're successful in PvP!!

I'm sorry I'm not psychic, I did not know you played in a dueling guild. It was merely a suggestion. Also i was speaking anecdotally.

FriedEggSandwich

KramUzibra wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I'm going to assume you've done no testing and are offering opinions based on patch notes only. Unless I am mistaken the champion passives Hardy, Elemental Defender and Thick Skinned have always affected wards. So the more cp you invest in these as a sorc the more resistant your hardened ward is to magic, elemental damage and dots. Assuming these champion passives will still apply to wards in the new patch, the changes to Hardy will be a substantial indirect buff to hardened ward against stam builds. Why not wait to see how things pan out in that respect?

I'm cool with no spammable damage ability. I agree our other ultimates need some love.

The same can be said for all other forms of defense in the game, as well as people buffing their damage output not only in general but also toward shields specifically. I've never been a fan of how little sorc's have for room in terms of class development. There is the relatively unchanged bolty, bursty, shield based build that earns a lot of hate and then what?

At least now there have been some interesting pet changes but even then the pets only scale on sorcs who stack max magicka and nothing else. There are so many things the class could be or could do but there are just so many things in the way that they can't really take advantage of them.

The issue for me with pets is purely the micro-management aspect; I don't want to have to control minions, it's not a playstyle I enjoy/am good at. So it wouldn't really matter how much they buffed pets, unless they make it so I can have the pets on ts with me I'm not interested. I think a lot of players feel like this towards pets, so they will always be partly redundant imo. I would be happy for them to be replaced with something else entirely, as long as it could be balanced without detracting from sorcs ability for burst damage, because that's the playstyle I enjoy.

The champion passive to increase damage on shields does worry me I'll admit, mainly because, just like the shield-breaker set, it penalises single-shield users as much as shield-stackers. As someone who only uses hardened ward in pvp I'm worried I might now feel pressured to go back to using harness and healing. But this is the only nerf sorcs have received, every other change has been a potential buff in our favour. So I'm prepared to wait to see how things pan out before crying foul about this passive.

Sounds like you just want things to be as easy as possible and take no skill. Sorc suits you.

Wow there, would you like to quote the bit where I insulted you making your insult necessary? Did I do something to upset you? I want things to be as balanced as possible. I'm honest about not liking the micro-management playstyle and you feel the need to jump down my throat? You're now on my radar as someone not to take that seriously. Shame. Fwiw I admitted to only using hardened ward in pvp, as in I don't shield stack, but of course I want things to be as easy as possible and take no skill. Sorc has suited me since april 2014, thanks.

I don't understand?? If shield stacking is more beneficial then hardened ward. Yet you use hardened ward over sheild stacking then wouldn't that be a negative choice on your part. It sounds kinda like your not using ur sorc to its fullest potential. I play xbox1 and my sisters boyfriend signsofthetimes has a magic sorc and he dominates the field in pvp. Some advice if your willing to accept, you should go on youtube and look up sorc builds and study other plyers builds and play styles you may learn a few things and potentially improve and create builds that are stronger and better than those youv studied.

I was making liberal use of sarcasm. I am aware that stacking shields makes you more survivable than just using one ward, been stacking shields since 1.3. Gave up recently to avoid a playstyle I have grown to hate. Just using hardened ward is more challenging for sure, but why should players gravitate towards the easiest playstyle? I understand why they do but you seem to think that they should. I predict (hope) shield-stacking will be addressed in a future patch and my idea is that by that time I will have lots of practice at just using one ward. Like when I chose not to use oveload and mundus bugs so that when they were removed from the game I hadn't learned to depend on crutches.

FriedEggSandwich

Valrien wrote: »

So do people still disagree with me here?

A spam able single-target damage ability would be nice. Possibly also an AoE spam. Since the other three classes have one and stuff...

I have to say that a spammable single target skill that also proc'd frags might be too much. Sorcs do burst better than any other class and giving them an insta-cast medium damage skill would be too much damage imo. I wouldn't object to more pure aoe skills though but the best aoe skills in the game don't belong to any class.

Anzriel

Valrien wrote: »

So do people still disagree with me here?

A spam able single-target damage ability would be nice. Possibly also an AoE spam. Since the other three classes have one and stuff...

tbh force pulse isn't bad on sorc (would be nice if it cost a bit less of course), single target spammable isn't the single biggest issue IMO. It's that that is all they really have right now, a decent spammable, liquid lightning and frag procs. If they could get another, preferably non ground target dot, they'd do solid dps I think. Especially with the cp changes frags hits much harder, curse should be decent in single-target situations and det might be usable. If they can get access to a good, purge-able, dot as well it would help improve sustained dps as well without making them more ridiculous in pvp.

I would personally like to see some improvements to pets, such as being able to use them on only one bar myself. Right now I just don't feel they're that great in pvp, and just pretty decent in pve. I'm not really a pet user though so I'll leave that to those who know more about it.

A good AoE spammable would be nice as well. It doesn't have to be insanely powerful, just something to spam on your back bar without having to use destro staff there.

My main issue with sorc in PvE is that it just seems woefully....lopsided? It has some things in spades (burst, survivability, and mobility being most obvious) while lacking in other areas. So I guess I'd say I agree with you that they're either really good, or pretty mediocre. Not to mention the overload playstyle just makes me want to vomit. I'd gladly take an overload nerf hammer if I saw some improvements in other areas. >.>