*Spoiler* Gates of Fire Quest - Razum-Dar, Did You?

SneaK

-- If you haven't played this quest stop reading. --

Who here has killed Razum-dar?

I have 4 AD characters, could never do it.

If you have, you must be an Argonian.

#coldblooded

Volkodav

NEVER! My Khajiit girl has a massive crush on him,and she would never forgive me if I did that!

Cously

I did whilst doing Silver. I'm a Breton. Orcs must die. Khajiit too. And Argonians...and those Dunmer as well, the bloody Altmer also! Female Bosmers are safe, man races too.

Arkadius

You can't kill him. He will eventually survive, no matter what decisions you make.

Nestor

I did it once because he was so convincing in getting me to.

Since then, I have never killed him. Of course he yells at me after. I just reply to him, "Razum-Dar, I am just glad you are here to be mad at me."

SneaK

Cously wrote: »

I did whilst doing Silver. I'm a Breton. Orcs must die. Khajiit too. And Argonians...and those Dunmer as well, the bloody Altmer also! Female Bosmers are safe, man races too.

Man that is just so bad. He's such a cool kat.

IrishGirlGamer

How about a spoiler alert???

Crazy as it sounds, there are people that haven't played the quest yet.

SneaK

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

How about a spoiler alert???

Crazy as it sounds, there are people that haven't played the quest yet.

True, sorry about that.

ListerJMC

I think you really need to put a spoiler tag in this title or something, or "Spoiler: Gates of Fire quest decision".

But for the record

I have. He doesn't die if you do it, and he's not mad at you afterwards - he jokes about it and thanks you. I actually prefer it to "saving" him, I tried that recently and I hated how mad he was at me. My AD character is an Altmer.

Volkodav

I know the spoiler. And I am so glad,but,..I s till couldnt kill him.He's my fave NPC there is ingame. :}

IrishGirlGamer

Okay, here's my spoilered answer to the question. DO NOT READ THIS if you haven't completed the AD quest line. It will spoiler it out for you.

I didn't kill him and immediately regretted it. He was so damn mad and then rude, that I was like, "Fine, next time you die." Hasn't been a next time yet but if there is one, I intend to let him die (mainly because I suspect he'll come back anyway).

One thing that disappointed me though was how angry he was and then briefly later it was like nothing happened. And I don't even mean he got over, it was just like ... nothing happened. In the final mane quest, he's there at the scene where the new mane is appointed, and his dialog is ... bland. I wanted him to still be mad at me.

UrQuan

Kitty-cat has nine lives This is why each account can only have 8 characters - so that nobody can play this quest enough times to actually kill him off permanently. I don't like to think about the Raz-pocalypse that will occur when we finally get additional character slots

SneaK

UrQuan wrote: »

Kitty-cat has nine lives This is why each account can only have 8 characters - so that nobody can play this quest enough times to actually kill him off permanently. I don't like to think about the Raz-pocalypse that will occur when we finally get additional character slots

That's awesome.

Volkodav

UrQuan wrote: »

Kitty-cat has nine lives This is why each account can only have 8 characters - so that nobody can play this quest enough times to actually kill him off permanently. I don't like to think about the Raz-pocalypse that will occur when we finally get additional character slots

This is an inspired comment.

Miszou

SneaK wrote: »

If you have, you must be an Argonian.

#coldblooded

It's funny because I did. And I am.

#noremorse

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I killed him with my main. I might not with an alt, on the off-chance consequences arise from the decision in future updates. There's no real incentive to right now though.

SneaK

Miszou wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

If you have, you must be an Argonian.

#coldblooded

It's funny because I did. And I am.

#noremorse

I knew it!

JoshenReborn

I really like Razum-Dar. I couldn't do it.

IrishGirlGamer

UrQuan wrote: »

Kitty-cat has nine lives This is why each account can only have 8 characters - so that nobody can play this quest enough times to actually kill him off permanently. I don't like to think about the Raz-pocalypse that will occur when we finally get additional character slots

Great. Now I'm going to feel guilty when THAT happens ...

Abeille

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Okay, here's my spoilered answer to the question. DO NOT READ THIS if you haven't completed the AD quest line. It will spoiler it out for you.

I didn't kill him and immediately regretted it. He was so damn mad and then rude, that I was like, "Fine, next time you die." Hasn't been a next time yet but if there is one, I intend to let him die (mainly because I suspect he'll come back anyway).

One thing that disappointed me though was how angry he was and then briefly later it was like nothing happened. And I don't even mean he got over, it was just like ... nothing happened. In the final mane quest, he's there at the scene where the new mane is appointed, and his dialog is ... bland. I wanted him to still be mad at me.

If you talk to him between quests, you will notice that

he slowly gets less mad at you each time you see him, and will eventually find a way to get rid of the circlet's magic or something like that, so he ends up with no reason to be mad at you anymore.

IrishGirlGamer

Abeille wrote: »

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Okay, here's my spoilered answer to the question. DO NOT READ THIS if you haven't completed the AD quest line. It will spoiler it out for you.

I didn't kill him and immediately regretted it. He was so damn mad and then rude, that I was like, "Fine, next time you die." Hasn't been a next time yet but if there is one, I intend to let him die (mainly because I suspect he'll come back anyway).

One thing that disappointed me though was how angry he was and then briefly later it was like nothing happened. And I don't even mean he got over, it was just like ... nothing happened. In the final mane quest, he's there at the scene where the new mane is appointed, and his dialog is ... bland. I wanted him to still be mad at me.

If you talk to him between quests, you will notice that

he slowly gets less mad at you each time you see him, and will eventually find a way to get rid of the circlet's magic or something like that, so he ends up with no reason to be mad at you anymore.

How did I miss that???

Reedx

Spent over a half a hour to decide ... endend with not kill him for he is the only NPC i actually like : P

But regreted right after tho.. because i just crushed his love for his land and queen For he saw it as a honor and not as pain ..

a true hidden hero

theher0not

No. I am not going to kill that cat, I love him too much to do it no matter what he wants (only time I would hurt Raz was if it was to spare him suffering when he was actually dying). Besides

i did the moonlit path before and there he was alive (dying but alive) and I didn't want to mess up the space time or whatevrr

Xorsius

Nah, I couldn't do it. The Dominion still has need of him and not to mention he's just too cool.

Spacemonkey

UrQuan wrote: »

Kitty-cat has nine lives This is why each account can only have 8 characters - so that nobody can play this quest enough times to actually kill him off permanently. I don't like to think about the Raz-pocalypse that will occur when we finally get additional character slots

O_O never thought of that....

But yeah honestly, Raz is too cool and does way too much - no one should even hesitate on that one. Those who ---- him, I hope the day will come soon, where you will be stuck in a cell, and you'll wish SOMEONE could come and rescue you. Again.

dodgehopper_ESO

Cously wrote: »

I did whilst doing Silver. I'm a Breton. Orcs must die. Khajiit too. And Argonians...and those Dunmer as well, the bloody Altmer also! Female Bosmers are safe, man races too.

Bosmer are part human anyway, in the same way Bretons are part elf. They had a lot of intermixing going on.

dodgehopper_ESO

Nestor wrote: »

I did it once because he was so convincing in getting me to.

Since then, I have never killed him. Of course he yells at me after. I just reply to him, "Razum-Dar, I am just glad you are here to be mad at me."

It was a matter of honor, and I let poor Raz have his heroic ending. The truth of the matter is that I ended up seeing him later in the story. I don't know if that was an error or not, but I think he managed to wiggle his way out of the problem.

dodgehopper_ESO

Skyper wrote: »

Spent over a half a hour to decide ... endend with not kill him for he is the only NPC i actually like : P

But regreted right after tho.. because i just crushed his love for his land and queen For he saw it as a honor and not as pain ..

a true hidden hero

Raz made me like Khajiit. Before playing the AD story I always felt they were a pretty boring race in the TES series. I think they did a great job with Raz. He is actually one of the most heroic, interesting, and intelligent characters you run across. He's like a kitty cat version of James Bond. He's also your boss in the Eyes, and like I said earlier it was a matter of honor for my character the first go of it. I like to play my characters with a certain theme as I run the story, and that was my 'Imperial templar general' concept. That character is heroic but brutal and pragmatic. If I have to kill a criminal/bad guy who might in peace time be allowed to live, I kill the criminal. Its nothing personal but it makes the story much more interesting for me when I play it that way. Its just like when I play a game like fallout or skyrim, I give a character a style and run with it. It makes it like watching a 100 hour movie, at least for my purposes.

Enodoc

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Bosmer are part human anyway[...]

@dodgehopper_ESO I haven't heard that before; where did you get that from?

dodgehopper_ESO

Enodoc wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Bosmer are part human anyway[...]

@dodgehopper_ESO I haven't heard that before; where did you get that from?

For starters, the Ayleids fled to Bosmer terrain and intermixed. The Ayleids themselves were heavily intermixed with human by that point. I'll have to ponder the references beyond that, but I do recollect part of the reason Altmer look down on Bosmer is that they are a 'mongrel' race, and I do believe it was part of this mixing with Cyrodiils.

Ghanima_Atreides

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

For starters, the Ayleids fled to Bosmer terrain and intermixed. The Ayleids themselves were heavily intermixed with human by that point. I'll have to ponder the references beyond that, but I do recollect part of the reason Altmer look down on Bosmer is that they are a 'mongrel' race, and I do believe it was part of this mixing with Cyrodiils.

The Bosmer may have intermingled with and eventually absorbed the Ayleids who fled to Valenwood (or may have not, there is some debate going on about what truly happened to them and why their culture vanished so utterly with barely an influence on Bosmeri culture) but the Ayleids weren't heavily intermixed with humans. They kept humans as slaves, delighted in torturing them, and no doubt some intermixing occurred as it did between RL slaves and masters, but it was the Direnni who systematically bred with humans for many generations, eventually leading to the formation of the Breton race. So I don't think it could really be said that the Bosmer are "part human" in the same way Bretons are "part mer".