Ambush needs a minimum range

OtarTheMad

Therium104 wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

People will always ALWAYS find an ability to spam and honestly if ambush gets nerfed then those players will just use something else.

Nerfing abilities isn't always the answer. (Mainly because ZOS screws it up)

Plus after watching the video you were dodge rolling away and they were using the gap closer they had to keep up with you. With how much you were dodge rolling I could have even used shield charge or crit charge on you... pretty much after each dodge roll and those have minimum ranges. Not trying to blow up your post or "troll" just saying. I do realize that ambush spam is a thing and players get annoyed but in this instance you were far enough away that even if they gave it a minimum range... they could have still used it. I still stand by my original statement that nerfing solves nothing. Just ask Impulse, Wall of Elements, magicka DKs, streak and soon Steel Tornado (from what I have heard they plan on doing... they're going to really screw that ability)

No. Nerfing a grossly OP and broken ability is most definately the answer. Ambush needs a nerf. Honestly, the entire NB class and all skill lines needs a nerf.

You don't get it, nerfing isn't the answer because ZOS NEVER gets it right. They always go overboard and kill the ability all together. Maybe if they had a track record of nerfing correctly where they are still usable it'd be fine... but they don't.

Need to fix what is broken. NB is broken overpowered.

I am not saying that ambush doesn't need to be adjusted. I am just saying that ZOS doesn't nerf things right so I'd rather them not. Plus NBs just got into a good spot after being broken (not OP just broken) and I'd rather them balance the other classes and buff some useless abilities and see if that changes things a bit.

The track record ZOS has with nerfs is rather poor, it's the only reason why I'd rather them not touch it. If they want to add a minimum distance then fine, but I feel like they'd go a step further (like they always do) and over nerf things.

As for Maxwell, maybe... just maybe I couldn't have crit charged you, or used any gap closer with a minimum distance... but I have done it to dodge rollers plenty of times. I wasn't trying to make it sound like you didn't have a good point, just saying even if they gave ambush a minimum distance those players MAY have been able to get you still.

Tankqull

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FENGRUSH wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

A little reference from person experience.
xboxdvr.com/gamer/Maxwell/video/13530822

well if those two melees wouldn´t have been NBs they wouldn´t have spamed ambush but critcharge or stampede as dodge spamming just forces gapcloser spam...

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Its not really minimum distance it needs - it needs to be line of sighted so you can use your environment (like every other gap closer). Also shouldnt go through roll dodge.

Thats the first step - along with fixing *all* gap closers ministun/roots

actually it is much more prone to environment than the other capclosers thx to its casting delay if you manage to shortly break his los before the port is initiated your safe as the port is canceeld and you are most likely out of range by then.

Pretty sure ambush is the only gap closer going through doors. Its ignorance to LoS and ability to spam around every wall and bit of debris as you try to LOS groups is a testament to what Ive said.

ambush has a constant LOS check for the 0.3sec after its activation until the port is innitiated after the port innitiation no LOS check is done as no LOS check is done with any other charge once you are on your way.

you have to differ between actual LOS checks and restrictions in physical movement. the other charges have far more rigid restrictions in terms of their allowed movements, while ambush has the most rigid LOS checks of all charges.

Brrrofski

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I never thought ambush did that much damage to worry about whether someone was spamming it or not.

Do people ever read threads anymore? Damage isn't the issue

Brrrofski

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

A little reference from person experience.
xboxdvr.com/gamer/Maxwell/video/13530822

well if those two melees wouldn´t have been NBs they wouldn´t have spamed ambush but critcharge or stampede as dodge spamming just forces gapcloser spam...

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Its not really minimum distance it needs - it needs to be line of sighted so you can use your environment (like every other gap closer). Also shouldnt go through roll dodge.

Thats the first step - along with fixing *all* gap closers ministun/roots

actually it is much more prone to environment than the other capclosers thx to its casting delay if you manage to shortly break his los before the port is initiated your safe as the port is canceeld and you are most likely out of range by then.

Pretty sure ambush is the only gap closer going through doors. Its ignorance to LoS and ability to spam around every wall and bit of debris as you try to LOS groups is a testament to what Ive said.

DK chains does too I think.

Not that anybody notices because nobody uses it thank to zos breaking it.

MaxwellC

Nope DK chains do not ignore LoS in fact DK chains are as you stated broken. You literally have to be on the same ground as the target or you will be aiming to high or too low on top of that if you lose LoS right when you use it, it'll sometimes go to them but will not connect as LoS is lost.

TwoFingersInCider

did you know that if you spec right, NB can get up to 65k health with atleast 20k in both magicka and stamina. And physical and spell resistance.. But not optimal for tank in pvp/pve though.. Hey guess what? In all classes, NB can only do this.

http://i.imgur.com/G7qDlhb.png

Pick your class while you still can!