You see your DD not avoiding the red circles

TheDracojan

Kammakazi wrote: »

and he/she repeatedly blames the rest of the team for failure to complete the dungeon/defeat the boss.

What do you do?

Let him die, kick him and find him in Cyrodil! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Wait, we aren't supposed to Stack in Red and burn boss? I have been playing this game wrong for 2 years...

Robbmrp

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Wait, we aren't supposed to Stack in Red and burn boss? I have been playing this game wrong for 2 years...

It's not your fault....blame the first person mode that people try and run dungeons in...

NBrookus

willymchilybily wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Kevmeister wrote: »

• More often than not, seem to be spamming WB and other 2-handed skills on their 2-handed weapon, instead of blocking attacks
• Trying to be a DD despite already having 2 other fairly focused DDs

Lousy tanks and DDs who queue as a tank are problems, but tanks are also being told repeatedly now they are supposed to be doing damage as well. It sends mixed signals to new players.

Tanks dont need to do damage, only imbiciles who need to L2P think that. If there was still stam regen when blocking fair enough. add to the damage. but as it is, a tank only needs to tank. And if you are failing its because your DPS is poor.

Tank is already debuffing resistances to boost DPS, inflicting major defile if appropriate so the burn required is less, probably pumping out a warhorn every time its up giving you 30% more crit damage, and as a DK I can use engulfing flames on a back bar so your shooting star hits 10% harder (not to mention inferno destro staff weaving force pulse till the sorc procs a frag ). and if it wasnt broken you stamina users would gain 5% weapon damage from minor brutality buff.

If you still are struggling to DPS....the problem isnt the tank.

I totally agree. But I still keep hearing how tanks are supposed to do some damage... as if debuffing the boss, buffing the players, picking up synergies and self-healing to free up healer resources isn't contributing to damage.

My point was not to agree tanks should do damage, but to suggest that a lot of newer players that are learning to tank might be aiming for the wrong goal posts.

asneakybanana

I say you just need to heal harder. No reason you can't heal one shots

Decayed_Inside

Ahem "Hey you're standing in stupid. Yeah you see your health dropping?"

xellink

NBrookus wrote: »

I totally agree. But I still keep hearing how tanks are supposed to do some damage... as if debuffing the boss, buffing the players, picking up synergies and self-healing to free up healer resources isn't contributing to damage.

My point was not to agree tanks should do damage, but to suggest that a lot of newer players that are learning to tank might be aiming for the wrong goal posts.

When you are already comfortably tanking, why can't you put some pts into stamina and contribute.

You can only 'tank' so much, but some dungeons (flesh atronach for example) require heavy dps and some skills like POTL dps skills are based on team damage rather than your own stamina. Tanks shouldn't just sit there and tank, and new players who are capable and comfortable should try to do more than just tank and soak damage like a sponge.

Players need to find ways to improve and adapt, not play as a one-trick pony. Otherwise we'll get more complains about nerfing dungeons again.

Decayed_Inside

I prefer my tank to stand there and tank so i can actually burn the boss. It's cute he thinks he can do damage but seriously just tank the boss so i can burn him with overload 15k light attacks and not get killed mmmkay?

Garwulf

There are many reasons for people to stand in 'red circles' in PVE including varying ping rates. If you have a fast ping then the red circle appears quickly. As your ping deteriorates ,the delay before you see the red circle increases. I have been in situatiions where people have said get out of the red circle on TS and I have thought where is the red circle they are talking about. Then the red circle appears...too late!.
Of course there is also ingnorance and stupidity ....
As for PVP, often no one sees any red circles and then your all dead from skills you never saw.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

Same rules apply in ESO,.

Off topic, but why can they have cloaks in FFIV without lag but to do so in ESO would break the game?

Good question. A lot of the things ZOS tells us we cant have for engine or performance reason are very achievable in other games.

eventide03b14a_ESO

NBrookus wrote: »

willymchilybily wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Kevmeister wrote: »

• More often than not, seem to be spamming WB and other 2-handed skills on their 2-handed weapon, instead of blocking attacks
• Trying to be a DD despite already having 2 other fairly focused DDs

Lousy tanks and DDs who queue as a tank are problems, but tanks are also being told repeatedly now they are supposed to be doing damage as well. It sends mixed signals to new players.

Tanks dont need to do damage, only imbiciles who need to L2P think that. If there was still stam regen when blocking fair enough. add to the damage. but as it is, a tank only needs to tank. And if you are failing its because your DPS is poor.

Tank is already debuffing resistances to boost DPS, inflicting major defile if appropriate so the burn required is less, probably pumping out a warhorn every time its up giving you 30% more crit damage, and as a DK I can use engulfing flames on a back bar so your shooting star hits 10% harder (not to mention inferno destro staff weaving force pulse till the sorc procs a frag ). and if it wasnt broken you stamina users would gain 5% weapon damage from minor brutality buff.

If you still are struggling to DPS....the problem isnt the tank.

I totally agree. But I still keep hearing how tanks are supposed to do some damage... as if debuffing the boss, buffing the players, picking up synergies and self-healing to free up healer resources isn't contributing to damage.

My point was not to agree tanks should do damage, but to suggest that a lot of newer players that are learning to tank might be aiming for the wrong goal posts.

No respectable DPS should need the tank to help out with damage.

Cuyler

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Wait, we aren't supposed to Stack in Red and burn boss? I have been playing this game wrong for 2 years...

I like standing in red....So warm and toasty the fire is

Shunravi

Cuyler wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Wait, we aren't supposed to Stack in Red and burn boss? I have been playing this game wrong for 2 years...

I like standing in red....So warm and toasty the fire is

So.... Is that why you wipe on trash?

RAGUNAnoOne

Troneon wrote: »

The worst thing as healer is the tank thinking he can face tank everything while not moving and expect the healer to waste all their magicka in the first 30 seconds because the tank won't move out of the big aoe fire....even in a ball of fire....

This is what tanks do in ESO....

I WAS BORN IN FIRE!11!1!

Ugh tell me about it valkyn skoria my first attempt the tank stood IN THE MIDDLE of the flame spouts and I am like I know your job is to absorb damage but it does not mean you have to take every damn hit especially if it is easy to avoid just 7 steps to the left not even sprinting /end rant.

Love_Chunks

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

I prefer my tank to stand there and tank so i can actually burn the boss. It's cute he thinks he can do damage but seriously just tank the boss so i can burn him with overload 15k light attacks and not get killed mmmkay?

Your overload only hits for 15k? LOL, pleb.





/I kid, I kid.

NBrookus

xellink wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

I totally agree. But I still keep hearing how tanks are supposed to do some damage... as if debuffing the boss, buffing the players, picking up synergies and self-healing to free up healer resources isn't contributing to damage.

My point was not to agree tanks should do damage, but to suggest that a lot of newer players that are learning to tank might be aiming for the wrong goal posts.

When you are already comfortably tanking, why can't you put some pts into stamina and contribute.

You can only 'tank' so much, but some dungeons (flesh atronach for example) require heavy dps and some skills like POTL dps skills are based on team damage rather than your own stamina. Tanks shouldn't just sit there and tank, and new players who are capable and comfortable should try to do more than just tank and soak damage like a sponge.

Players need to find ways to improve and adapt, not play as a one-trick pony. Otherwise we'll get more complains about nerfing dungeons again.

Because I am not a stamina tank, so putting points into stam would either reduce my health pool or reduce the strength of my magicka shields and buffs, both of which would point more strain on the healer. The healer that is standing there in full light armor and magicka spec that can do way more damage with those saved resources than an extra 2k from me. Or has the breathing room to rez a player.

And yes, I do rotate in light and heavy attacks when possible, for ultimate and stam regen. The tanks job isn't to DPS, it's to make the dedicated DPSers be able to perform better. Anything that reduces their efficiency is probably a net loss.

For bosses that need a 3rd DPS, I switch gear and bars.

You seem to be under the impression that tanks just taunt and hold up a shield. I suppose some of them do. But if you don't feel tanks "contribute," just run with 3 DDs and a healer; most dungeons it's doable.

RatedChaotic

But all our lives we are told "Red'' means stop.But honestly inform them red is bad. If it continues way too oftem give them the boot or run with guildies instead of using group finder.

Orion_Sixx

I believe the point has gone off topic about color blindness or deficiency affecting the survivability of combat in dungeons, having and option to change the aoe circles would help a lot on all platforms. Unless one has this deficiency they can't understand the inconvenience it puts on game play, but it is much easier to trash an individual then to help.