You see your DD not avoiding the red circles

NBrookus

Kevmeister wrote: »

• More often than not, seem to be spamming WB and other 2-handed skills on their 2-handed weapon, instead of blocking attacks
• Trying to be a DD despite already having 2 other fairly focused DDs

Lousy tanks and DDs who queue as a tank are problems, but tanks are also being told repeatedly now they are supposed to be doing damage as well. It sends mixed signals to new players.

NativeJoe

DD's that don't stand in the red? heresy!
How else would a DD know where to stand? ZOS paints it for them.

Or....thats what I imagine they're thinking haha

But seriously they just have to learn the dungeons, u have to say something to them...and more importantly, up your own game to compensate for others incompetence. Just switch your perspective to "challenge accepted".

Remember , Tanks are a different sort of people. they're literally meat shields. it is almost like they are playing a completely other game. They arn't killing anything, and in eso agro dynamics they're mostly ignoring everything else but the boss.(most bosses).... The typical tanks survival completely depends upon another...so they rarly assume they have done anything wrong...because it's always a bad healer haha and never could be their tactics, sleeping in the red, or them not dodge rolling or blocking

nine9six

I have a feeling that after about 10 of these threads you're going to tell me what class I am. Sorta like Socucius Ergalla in Morrowind...

What do you do...?

themdogesbite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

Same rules apply in ESO,.

willymchilybily

NBrookus wrote: »

Kevmeister wrote: »

• More often than not, seem to be spamming WB and other 2-handed skills on their 2-handed weapon, instead of blocking attacks
• Trying to be a DD despite already having 2 other fairly focused DDs

Lousy tanks and DDs who queue as a tank are problems, but tanks are also being told repeatedly now they are supposed to be doing damage as well. It sends mixed signals to new players.

Tanks dont need to do damage, only imbiciles who need to L2P think that. If there was still stam regen when blocking fair enough. add to the damage. but as it is, a tank only needs to tank. And if you are failing its because your DPS is poor.

Tank is already debuffing resistances to boost DPS, inflicting major defile if appropriate so the burn required is less, probably pumping out a warhorn every time its up giving you 30% more crit damage, and as a DK I can use engulfing flames on a back bar so your shooting star hits 10% harder (not to mention inferno destro staff weaving force pulse till the sorc procs a frag ). and if it wasnt broken you stamina users would gain 5% weapon damage from minor brutality buff.

If you still are struggling to DPS....the problem isnt the tank.

Kammakazi

themdogesbite wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

Same rules apply in ESO,.

2:03

Oh my god I can't

Troneon

The worst thing as healer is the tank thinking he can face tank everything while not moving and expect the healer to waste all their magicka in the first 30 seconds because the tank won't move out of the big aoe fire....even in a ball of fire....

This is what tanks do in ESO....

I WAS BORN IN FIRE!11!1!

Kevmeister

NBrookus wrote: »

Kevmeister wrote: »

• More often than not, seem to be spamming WB and other 2-handed skills on their 2-handed weapon, instead of blocking attacks
• Trying to be a DD despite already having 2 other fairly focused DDs

Lousy tanks and DDs who queue as a tank are problems, but tanks are also being told repeatedly now they are supposed to be doing damage as well. It sends mixed signals to new players.

Most if not all offensive skills have damage in them, so technically, tanks are semi-damage dealing. That's fine, but what do you do with a 2-handed tank that goes full-on DD? Sorry to say, that tank just went full ***.

Shunravi

themdogesbite wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

Same rules apply in ESO,.

Hey! I was gonna post that! Its a great video

istateres

All red circles are NOT created equal. While the Tank in question doesn't sound like they know there role; I often stand in the red. If you are taking no serious damage (or none above your healing), why not? If you need to hold the boss in that spot because your group just dropped all their Ultimates there, heck ya! If it will take more stamina to roll out then to block, why not? If it's going to burn you to the ground in mere moments, GET OUT!

The OPs tank problem isn't about standing in the red, it's about situational awareness (the total lack of it). You can never stand in the red and totally fail as a Tank (or any other class) if you have no situational awareness.

Shunravi

istateres wrote: »

All red circles are NOT created equal. While the Tank in question doesn't sound like they know there role; I often stand in the red. If you are taking no serious damage (or none above your healing), why not? If you need to hold the boss in that spot because your group just dropped all their Ultimates there, heck ya! If it will take more stamina to roll out then to block, why not? If it's going to burn you to the ground in mere moments, GET OUT!

The OPs tank problem isn't about standing in the red, it's about situational awareness (the total lack of it). You can never stand in the red and totally fail as a Tank (or any other class) if you have no situational awareness.

Uh huh.... The op has a tank problem? Really?

eventide03b14a_ESO

Some classes can stand in the AoEs longer than others so I'd take it on a case by case basis. If someone keeps dying and they don't change their tactics then there is a problem. All DPS should be self sufficient to a degree, especially if the tank is doing their job.

Molag_Crow

I give them a serious look and direct them towards Kammamistformkazi's lair to be dealt with.

Takes-No-Prisoner

You see your DD not avoiding the red circles...

Pomaikai

I know someone whose tank build allows those red circles to heal him, rather than hurt him. He's really hard to kill, and tanks Vet pledge bosses in the red circles all the time. It freaks out everyone else when he's in a PUG, but those who group with him regularly just laugh hysterically about it. He's a lot of fun to listen to in TS when he's in a PUG, and gives us a running commentary of their reactions.

Just pointing out that there is another side of this coin.

Shunravi

Pomaikai wrote: »

I know someone whose tank build allows those red circles to heal him, rather than hurt him. He's really hard to kill, and tanks Vet pledge bosses in the red circles all the time. It freaks out everyone else when he's in a PUG, but those who group with him regularly just laugh hysterically about it. He's a lot of fun to listen to in TS when he's in a PUG, and gives us a running commentary of their reactions.

Just pointing out that there is another side of this coin.

And how many DDs do this?

Aquanova

OR!.........

They could have lagged out, which has been happening a lot of recent.

eventide03b14a_ESO

NBrookus wrote: »

Kevmeister wrote: »

• More often than not, seem to be spamming WB and other 2-handed skills on their 2-handed weapon, instead of blocking attacks
• Trying to be a DD despite already having 2 other fairly focused DDs

Lousy tanks and DDs who queue as a tank are problems, but tanks are also being told repeatedly now they are supposed to be doing damage as well. It sends mixed signals to new players.

My opinion is that if the tank is holding aggro and the healer can keep him alive then there shouldn't' be any reason the DPS can't do their job. If the tank can also do some damage great, but it's really just icing on the cake. There are times that a tank simply won't be able to do DPS since their main goal should be survival.

eventide03b14a_ESO

themdogesbite wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

Same rules apply in ESO,.

Off topic, but why can they have cloaks in FFIV without lag but to do so in ESO would break the game?

Robbmrp

Kammakazi wrote: »

and he/she repeatedly blames the rest of the team for failure to complete the dungeon/defeat the boss.

What do you do?

Pray that they find a way to implement the Justice System.....

sirrmattus

Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »

Ask them if they need to turn on the color blind video settings

IS THERE COLOR BLIND VIDEO SETTING??????

NateAssassin

What are you saying, red circles are healing circles and the golden ones set you on fire, smh noobs dont know what they talking about

Shunravi

NateAssassin wrote: »

What are you saying, red circles are healing circles and the golden ones set you on fire, smh noobs dont know what they talking about

Dont forget the purple ones. Those restore resources.

myrrrorb14_ESO

Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »

Ask them if they need to turn on the color blind video settings

Is this a thing?

xellink

willymchilybily wrote: »

Tanks dont need to do damage, only imbiciles who need to L2P think that. If there was still stam regen when blocking fair enough. add to the damage. but as it is, a tank only needs to tank. And if you are failing its because your DPS is poor.

Tank is already debuffing resistances to boost DPS, inflicting major defile if appropriate so the burn required is less, probably pumping out a warhorn every time its up giving you 30% more crit damage, and as a DK I can use engulfing flames on a back bar so your shooting star hits 10% harder (not to mention inferno destro staff weaving force pulse till the sorc procs a frag ). and if it wasnt broken you stamina users would gain 5% weapon damage from minor brutality buff.

If you still are struggling to DPS....the problem isnt the tank.

DPS trying to DPS with his skill 'rotation' and gets sucked into standing at the same spot. Healer trying to resource manage, battery with shards and keep team alive. Whose gonna take responsibility for interrupts, positioning, team buff, using synergies? Its the tank. A tank can't just do tanking. Thats like playing easy mode.

1) tanks usually have shield, bashing cost reduced.
2) tanks are stamina based, u don't need 6 skills to tank, some DPS makes u a better tank than the other guy
3) healing often heals the caster more than the players, it makes sense for templar tanks to bring breath of life.
Tanks have many more responsibilities that i won't list today. Once u learn to PVP as a tank, then u really learn how to truly tank.

But... i agree, if u are struggling to dps, the problem is not really the tank.

Flameheart

themdogesbite wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

Same rules apply in ESO,.

Holy cow, this is great.

1. Refuses to follow the Rules
2. Always stands in those nasty red circles
3. is a overall ***

-> God (You) has selected them for extinction

Healer's motto:

There's a time to take damage
There's a time to deal it
There's a time to ignore all else
and do your best to heal it

and there's a time to laugh while they all BURN

UrQuan

Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »

Ask them if they need to turn on the color blind video settings

When did ESO introduce colour blind settings? I have a real life friend who's colour blind and he can never tell when he's in a red circle, so any info on this would be appreciated.

eliisra

You can stand in majority of red circles if you block or have a shield up. I stand in red a lot. Just need to identify what type of "red" it is

It's the red related boss mechanics/cleave you need to avoid or die(*** of healer).

Problem is dps standing in red circles/fire mashing Steel Tornado and not holding block. I dont get it personally, since I'm using both Repentance and Spears. It's not like they're going to run out of stamina instantly by holding block a few seconds after engaging.

Think it's mainly newer players unaware of good ol' block casting. They dont know it's super viable still and in many situations a necessity. Probably thinks its something related to DK's back in 1.5 and it got "fixed".

Defilted

I would just explain to them they are standing in the red circles and this is putting stress on the healer and the rest of the group because we have to stop and Rez you. The healer also has to focus on you instead of the tank and this is causing more issues.

I would think think a reasonable logical person would be able to understand this and correct it. However some people are not great communicators and will offend the person that needs to make a change and this results in the behavior not changing or getting worse. Kill them with Kindness!

willymchilybily

xellink wrote: »

willymchilybily wrote: »

Tanks dont need to do damage, only imbiciles who need to L2P think that. If there was still stam regen when blocking fair enough. add to the damage. but as it is, a tank only needs to tank. And if you are failing its because your DPS is poor.

Tank is already debuffing resistances to boost DPS, inflicting major defile if appropriate so the burn required is less, probably pumping out a warhorn every time its up giving you 30% more crit damage, and as a DK I can use engulfing flames on a back bar so your shooting star hits 10% harder (not to mention inferno destro staff weaving force pulse till the sorc procs a frag ). and if it wasnt broken you stamina users would gain 5% weapon damage from minor brutality buff.

If you still are struggling to DPS....the problem isnt the tank.

DPS trying to DPS with his skill 'rotation' and gets sucked into standing at the same spot. Healer trying to resource manage, battery with shards and keep team alive. Whose gonna take responsibility for interrupts, positioning, team buff, using synergies? Its the tank. A tank can't just do tanking. Thats like playing easy mode.

1) tanks usually have shield, bashing cost reduced.
2) tanks are stamina based, u don't need 6 skills to tank, some DPS makes u a better tank than the other guy
3) healing often heals the caster more than the players, it makes sense for templar tanks to bring breath of life.
Tanks have many more responsibilities that i won't list today. Once u learn to PVP as a tank, then u really learn how to truly tank.

But... i agree, if u are struggling to dps, the problem is not really the tank.

Dont want to get off topic. but as you quoted me.

1).I consider all of what you said and more tanking. When i say a tank only tanks i mean a tank fulfils only that role and all responsibilities that are encumbered by it, which does not include throwing out a puniy 5k dps at the sacrifice of your role

i can throw DPS, as a tank, sure but if the vet pledge is of that level of ease i dont need to be completely dedicated to the task of tanking. your'd be better bringing a full DPS instead,. or ill go full tank and the healer can DPS. Being magicka/healer it synergises nicely with DPS (light armor, reasonable spell damage and good magicka) so the healer should out DPS me by far in my heavy armor and gear/attributes into tank role.

2) so once again if you are "doing DPS" as a tank, imo, you are inhibiting your groups collective potential DPS, Just like standing in red as a DD. short of pulling 25k-30k DPS consistently

3). i dont consider PvP tanks knowing how to "truely tank" its a completely different game mechanics PvP to PvE imo. short of a few debuffs and line of sight similarities i dont think they are comparable. not whilst skills like guard are broken, and when PvE NPCs can completely ignore line of sight striking past you to hit your allies.