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Best DPS Class and attribute

The_Lex
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Hey, everyone. New player, here, and I was hoping to get some advice from the community. My lowbie (level 12) main is an Imperial Stamplar, loosely based on a guide I saw on online. Before I get too far into it, I was wondering:

1) Which class is best suited for DPS with a little bit of heals on the side? PvE and/or PvP?
2) Which type of DPS is most effective, magicka or stamina? Which will best help me be effective at end-game in both PvP and/or PvE?

I appreciate any feedback you can give me.
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Characters (PC NA) :

Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • Tomato
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    Magic Sorc / high elf
  • The_Lex
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    Tomato wrote: »
    Magic Sorc / high elf

    That's what I've been hearing lately. I've read that Stamplars are only good for PvE. So, is magicka sorc best for both PvP and PvE?
    Edited by The_Lex on January 16, 2016 3:45PM
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    Characters (PC NA) :

    Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
    Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
    Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
    Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
    Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
    R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
    Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

    Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • DannyLV702
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    Stamina NBs and Magic Sorcs are what's considered best at the moment. I don't know why, but too many people don't realize that a stamina DKs are better than both the options I just gave you. It just takes a LOT of practice.
    PS4 - NA - EP - DaNNyB0y2010
  • Jeckll
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    PvE: Magicka DK, Magicka Sorc
    PvP: Magicka Sorc, Stamina Nightblade
    Jeckll has quit the game. Thanks for the great time.
  • The_Lex
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    too many people don't realize that a stamina DKs are better than both the options I just gave you. It just takes a LOT of practice.

    Thanks for the insight. So, you think there's a steep learning curve to play the stam DK effectively?
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    Characters (PC NA) :

    Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
    Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
    Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
    Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
    Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
    R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
    Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

    Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • The_Lex
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    Jeckll wrote: »
    PvE: Magicka DK, Magicka Sorc
    PvP: Magicka Sorc, Stamina Nightblade

    Seems like you're saying that if I want an all arounder for PvE and PvP, then Magicka sorc is the way to go.
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    Characters (PC NA) :

    Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
    Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
    Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
    Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
    Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
    R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
    Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

    Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • DannyLV702
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    The only thing making Sorcs powerful are our shields. Currently, the majority of players out the are night blades because of how easy and fast you can kill and get away
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  • Tomato
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    Tomato wrote: »
    Magic Sorc / high elf

    That's what I've been hearing lately. I've read that Stamplars are only good for PvE. So, is magicka sorc best for both PvP and PvE?

    Yes magic Sorc is best for PvE / PvP
  • The_Lex
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    The only thing making Sorcs powerful are our shields.

    So, take the shields away, and they are no longer viable?

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    Characters (PC NA) :

    Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
    Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
    Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
    Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
    Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
    R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
    Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

    Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • DannyLV702
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    The only thing making Sorcs powerful are our shields.

    So, take the shields away, and they are no longer viable?

    Correct, because we have no tankiness, nor any effective heals.
    PS4 - NA - EP - DaNNyB0y2010
  • The_Lex
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    The only thing making Sorcs powerful are our shields.

    So, take the shields away, and they are no longer viable?

    Correct, because we have no tankiness, nor any effective heals.

    Then what about a magicka dps templar? Put all attributes into magicka for the abilities and you have some heals.
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    Characters (PC NA) :

    Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
    Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
    Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
    Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
    Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
    R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
    Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

    Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • leepalmer95
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    The only thing making Sorcs powerful are our shields.

    So, take the shields away, and they are no longer viable?

    Correct, because we have no tankiness, nor any effective heals.

    Then what about a magicka dps templar? Put all attributes into magicka for the abilities and you have some heals.

    Best heals in the game, no mobility though and not too sure how much dps they can pull.
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    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • DannyLV702
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    The only thing making Sorcs powerful are our shields.

    So, take the shields away, and they are no longer viable?

    Correct, because we have no tankiness, nor any effective heals.

    Then what about a magicka dps templar? Put all attributes into magicka for the abilities and you have some heals.

    You have heals, and from what I've seen, your only source of dps will be one ability used over and over and over again until something dies. (Jabs). Problem is that Templars and Magic DKs have been nerfed hard as hell so they're not much competition in pvp.
    PS4 - NA - EP - DaNNyB0y2010
  • The_Lex
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    You have heals, and from what I've seen, your only source of dps will be one ability used over and over and over again until something dies. (Jabs). Problem is that Templars and Magic DKs have been nerfed hard as hell so they're not much competition in pvp.

    Yeah, that's sounds crazy for a magicka temp to rely on a stam ability to be viable.

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    Characters (PC NA) :

    Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
    Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
    Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
    Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
    Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
    R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
    Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

    Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • The_Lex
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    To summarize, then, this is what you are all saying:

    PvE: Magicka DK, Magicka Sorc
    PvP: Magicka Sorc, Stamina Nightblade

    If I want to be viable, end-game, for both PvE and PvP I will want to roll a Magicka Sorc. Am I on the right track?
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    Characters (PC NA) :

    Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
    Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
    Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
    Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
    Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
    R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
    Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

    Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • Tomato
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    To summarize, then, this is what you are all saying:

    PvE: Magicka DK, Magicka Sorc
    PvP: Magicka Sorc, Stamina Nightblade

    If I want to be viable, end-game, for both PvE and PvP I will want to roll a Magicka Sorc. Am I on the right track?

    Yes

  • DannyLV702
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    A friend, who has a vr16 Magic Templar and stamina NB, recently made a sorc and one of the first things she told me was that the animations are a lot more fun. So on top of being powerful, we're very fun to play haha
    PS4 - NA - EP - DaNNyB0y2010
  • The_Lex
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    A friend, who has a vr16 Magic Templar and stamina NB, recently made a sorc and one of the first things she told me was that the animations are a lot more fun. So on top of being powerful, we're very fun to play haha

    Haha. Maybe I'll roll a Sorc.
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    Characters (PC NA) :

    Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
    Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
    Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
    Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
    Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
    R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
    Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

    Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • asneakybanana
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    Stamina dk is right up there with mag sorc for both pve and pvp. Stam dk will actually out dps a sorc over a long fight and in pvp stam dk has a ton of survivability as well as great burst from leap and wrecking blow.
    Asneakybanana AD DK Former emperor of Chrysamere and Chillrend. World first hardmode Hel'ra and Quake con winner (Alliance rank 25)
    Asneakyhabenero EP DK Former emperor of Thornblade, Haderus. World first vMA Dk clear (Alliance rank 39)
    Asneakycucumber EP Sorc Former empress of Blackwater Bay and Trueflame (Alliance rank 32)
    Asneakypineapple EP Temp Former empress of Azuras Star and Haderus (Alliance rank 22)
    Asneakypickle EP NB Former empress of Trueflame (Alliance rank 47)
    Asneakyavocado EP DK
    Asneakyblueberry DC Sorc
    Asneakypotato DC NB
    Asneakykiwi DC NB
    Asneakyraspberry EP Warden
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    Fastest AA clear ever: 5:42 | Fastest HR clear ever: 5:27 | NA first HM MoL
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  • yodased
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    Despite the hate fire dk still can put a hurting on folks and played right will handle any pve content. If they give us back our self heal it's really all that we need.

    100% dependant on hard to obtain gear and dots so keep that in mind, but it still works
    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
  • asneakybanana
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    yodased wrote: »
    Despite the hate fire dk still can put a hurting on folks and played right will handle any pve content. If they give us back our self heal it's really all that we need.

    100% dependant on hard to obtain gear and dots so keep that in mind, but it still works

    Only thing that's hard to obtain is kena and maelstrom staves and it can still do exceptionally well without those two things. BiS for all other armor is crafted and jewelry is boe so it can be bought. The main thing about mag dk is knowing your rotation so you know when to recast dots and don't lose any up time on those. However, stam dk is pulling close single target numbers and better aoe and only requires maelstrom weps so its kind of a toss up between the two for pve but in pvp the stam dk definitely wins
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    Asneakyhabenero EP DK Former emperor of Thornblade, Haderus. World first vMA Dk clear (Alliance rank 39)
    Asneakycucumber EP Sorc Former empress of Blackwater Bay and Trueflame (Alliance rank 32)
    Asneakypineapple EP Temp Former empress of Azuras Star and Haderus (Alliance rank 22)
    Asneakypickle EP NB Former empress of Trueflame (Alliance rank 47)
    Asneakyavocado EP DK
    Asneakyblueberry DC Sorc
    Asneakypotato DC NB
    Asneakykiwi DC NB
    Asneakyraspberry EP Warden
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  • The_Lex
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    Thank you all for the insight. After I finish leveling up my sorc, I think I'll give a stamina DK a shot. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that quite a few changes will be coming when ZOS introduces the Dark Brotherhood (and patches). Are they still planning on removing veteran ranks?
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    Characters (PC NA) :

    Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
    Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
    Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
    Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
    Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
    R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
    Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

    Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • xellink
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    You have heals, and from what I've seen, your only source of dps will be one ability used over and over and over again until something dies. (Jabs). Problem is that Templars and Magic DKs have been nerfed hard as hell so they're not much competition in pvp.

    Yeah, that's sounds crazy for a magicka temp to rely on a stam ability to be viable.

    I think he meant sweeps.

    if u are a stamplar, you are relying only one one skill. jabs. you can deal op damage with jabs + evil hunter + werewolf + anything that procs on physical damage/crits because jabs will constantly proc these effects.

    this is why I feel jabs > sweep
    Edited by xellink on January 21, 2016 12:31PM
  • mubzander
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    Templar is the way forward.. they can self heal effectively others can't.. with that said there is no one good class.. others may be better in some areas but it's mainly the armour you have and the strategies you use to outwit your enemies.. I have seen many Templar take out DKs..

    My build was:

    Reflective Light (fireballs low cost plus DoT)

    Blazing Spear (Monster AoE with a great synergy.  I prefer this morph over the added magicka bonus more damage, less problems)

    Puncturing Sweeps (damage plus heals, I rarely use this since you get more dps with the others so rather use magic elsewhere)

    Radiant Oppression (340% extra damage on targets under 50% health)

    Breath of Life (best healing in the game hands down)

    Solar Disturbance (would like meteor or bats but this is a great sub does DoT as well)

    That's the best skills on Templar in my opinion.. i completed couple of dungeons using this build and pretty much solod story mode with this but I didn't like playing DPS at all so I switched to a full time vampire healer after I reached vet level 3..

    My Combos:

    Light attack
    Reflective Light for damage and DoT
    Light attack
    Puncturing Sweeps

    Animation cancelling is key with this build you cannot lose precious seconds xD
    Edited by mubzander on January 23, 2016 6:19AM
  • AverageJo3Gam3r
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    All classes of all flavors can pull good DPS. Some are stronger or weaker in PvP but that's patch dependent so don't base your decision on that. Really, it's what benefit do you want other than just dealing damage? DKs have strong ultimates and CC. Night blades have cloak for quick escapes. Sorcerers have strong shields and best mobility in the game. Templars have best heals in the game. Which flavor would you like?
  • The_Lex
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    Really, it's what benefit do you want other than just dealing damage? DKs have strong ultimates and CC. Night blades have cloak for quick escapes. Sorcerers have strong shields and best mobility in the game. Templars have best heals in the game. Which flavor would you like?

    With those options: Shields & mobility and then Heals, in that order.

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    Characters (PC NA) :

    Vaaljørn | Nord Dragonknight | Tank | EP
    Revyn Draylor | Dunmer Dragonknight | Magicka DPS | EP
    Maldarin Direnni | Altmer Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Bjorn Storm-Blade | Nord Warden | Stamina DPS | EP
    Worf of Sto'Vo'Kor | Orc Sorcerer | Stamina DPS | EP
    Brejan Magnus | Breton Sorcerer | Magicka DPS | EP
    Brejan Garak | Breton Templar | Healer | EP
    R'jirr the Caller | Khajiit Necromancer | Stamina DPS | EP [BEGINNING TO COLLECT DUST]
    Vaanryth Sadri | Dunmer Nightblade | Stamina DPS | EP [COLLECTING DUST]

    Vaanrith | Dunmer Templar | Crafter | EP
  • Shaggygaming
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    First toon, play a sorcerer or nightblade.
    Edited by Shaggygaming on January 27, 2016 8:22PM
    Shaggy
    PVE - Fear is Failure - NightFighters
    Past PVP Guilds - IR - Hijinx - Nexus - Haxus - Vehemence
  • jnelson1182
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    I take it a lot of changes have happened since the last post in this thread?
    * Maccb- Level 50 DragonKnight- Fire mage type build/ BSW body, Valkyn Skoria mister set, & Willpower Jewelry/Random Flame/Lightning/Reston STAFF's
    **MBF**
  • POMEH
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    Why did you write nothing about warden? My first and one character is warden and I am interested could I fight in PVP when will become stronger (50 lvl) in Cyradil and feel good in battles?
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