Reverberating Bash

Strider_Roshin

Does anyone else find this move to be a little too good? I think it would be a little more balanced if the defile time was cut in half. Right now it's a bit excessive.

OdinForge

The defile is fine the way that it is.

The bugged CC is not fine, and needs to be fixed like 3 patches ago.

CtrlAltDlt

The bugged cc is retardedly OP

Draxys

Agree with the other replies, something weird is going on with the CC. It caused my character to float backward last night while being unable to break free lawl

Jhunn

Can't believe how long this skill has been bugged.

Oh, wait, I'm playing ESO.

olsborg

Its also been undodgeable for the longest time, fubar.

OdinForge

olsborg wrote: »

Its also been undodgeable for the longest time, fubar.

You can definitely dodge the skill, I use this ability a lot (do my best to avoid intentionally bugging it). Patiently waiting for ZOS to dislodge the potato from their [snip] and fix this ability.

You can bug people several ways with this skill. At least these are the current list of bugs with the skill that I'm aware of.

• If you do reverb twice in a row, you can double stun someone.
• If you cast reverb first for a CC, and use invasion after you can double CC. If you cast invasion first and reverb second, it applies the effect but not the buggy CC (currently the best way to safely use the ability for its defile).
• If you connect with someone coming out of a dodge, it might slide them across the floor.
• If you cast reverb to CC and use dragon leap, they will get the same second CC as from the first 2 points but will additionally slide on the floor like the third point.

dodgehopper_ESO

I've never had a problem with Reverberating Bash. The defile should remain. What is the problem with the breakout?

OdinForge

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I've never had a problem with Reverberating Bash. The defile should remain. What is the problem with the breakout?

Check out this video to see the slide effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9BdN30KOLQ

Ffastyl

OdinForge wrote: »

• If you do reverb twice in a row, you can double stun someone.
• If you cast reverb first for a CC, and use invasion after you can double CC. If you cast invasion first and reverb second, it applies the effect but not the buggy CC (currently the best way to safely use the ability for its defile).
• If you connect with someone coming out of a dodge, it might slide them across the floor.
• If you cast reverb to CC and use dragon leap, they will get the same second CC as from the first 2 points but will additionally slide on the floor like the third point.

Most stuns are short so you don't notice this but CC-immunity is applied after the effect so it does not prematurely cancel it. Try using Fossilize on someone and then hitting them with Uppercut - both CCs should occur because the CC-immunity is not yet applied until Fossilize ends.

This is also how Disorients work. For a while Disorient did not apply CC-immunity whatsoever (excluding Break Free). Now it applies immunity at the natural end of the duration. If you end the Disorient by dealing damage, CC-immunity will not be applied, allowing the target to be Disoriented once again.

Power Bash applies a 2 second stun followed by a 15 second Disorient. So both can stick (and the ability work properly) CC-immunity is not granted at the end of the stun.

Very few abilities cause Disorient and it is visually identical to a stun so information on Disorient is not widespread.

OdinForge

Ffastyl wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

• If you do reverb twice in a row, you can double stun someone.
• If you cast reverb first for a CC, and use invasion after you can double CC. If you cast invasion first and reverb second, it applies the effect but not the buggy CC (currently the best way to safely use the ability for its defile).
• If you connect with someone coming out of a dodge, it might slide them across the floor.
• If you cast reverb to CC and use dragon leap, they will get the same second CC as from the first 2 points but will additionally slide on the floor like the third point.

Most stuns are short so you don't notice this but CC-immunity is applied after the effect so it does not prematurely cancel it. Try using Fossilize on someone and then hitting them with Uppercut - both CCs should occur because the CC-immunity is not yet applied until Fossilize ends.

This is also how Disorients work. For a while Disorient did not apply CC-immunity whatsoever (excluding Break Free). Now it applies immunity at the natural end of the duration. If you end the Disorient by dealing damage, CC-immunity will not be applied, allowing the target to be Disoriented once again.

Power Bash applies a 2 second stun followed by a 15 second Disorient. So both can stick (and the ability work properly) CC-immunity is not granted at the end of the stun.

Very few abilities cause Disorient and it is visually identical to a stun so information on Disorient is not widespread.

I hear you, I'll do some more testing.

Ffastyl

OdinForge wrote: »

I hear you, I'll do some more testing.

It's been quite some time since I paid close attention to the CC-immunity of Disorient. It may apply immunity now when canceled by damage without CC attached.


And regarding the video you posted showcasing the slide effect - that has to do with how roll dodging works. What many players have learned from evading red circles in PvE is the server does not register your new position until the roll dodge animation finishes (i.e. you are standing once again). Until that moment, the game registers your character at where the roll dodge started.

OdinForge

Ffastyl wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

I hear you, I'll do some more testing.

It's been quite some time since I paid close attention to the CC-immunity of Disorient. It may apply immunity now when canceled by damage without CC attached.


And regarding the video you posted showcasing the slide effect - that has to do with how roll dodging works. What many players have learned from evading red circles in PvE is the server does not register your new position until the roll dodge animation finishes (i.e. you are standing once again). Until that moment, the game registers your character at where the roll dodge started.

You're NA DC?

Why don't we test this in-game so I can see in person.

Ffastyl

@name's same as forum name.

Ampnode

Defile is fine, because we need more ways of reducing another's healing. Could use a bow, but who wants to slot Snipe like a boob. The CC, however, needs to be addressed. Why this is still in the game, I have no idea. It's been widely known for months now. Hopefully this and many other CCs are being fixed in the next DLC. But hey, we've had high hopes for fixes for things before, right?

MormondPayne_EP

LOL, I'm betting that they fix 2 things but break 6 more in the process.

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