Why do people play stam templars?

leepalmer95

Looking at the skills etc... why a stam templar, magicka seems like a far better choice.

Heals/det/dark flare/execute etc...

timidobserver

There are people that make it work really well, but I agree that Templar class skills seem to have the least synergy with Stamina builds.

leepalmer95

timidobserver wrote: »

There are people that make it work really well, but I agree that Templar class skills seem to have the least synergy with Stamina builds.

I got a stamplar to lvl 14 and i'm wondering to myself why i don't just make a mag templar instead, stam is literally jabs/jabs/jabs etc... mag has flare, det, jabs, heals, clease, radiant etc...

Spacemonkey

Because I went that way at launch and I'm stubborn

dodgehopper_ESO

I agree that it is a better choice, I just don't think that should be the way it is. Most of the class is unusable if you're a stamina templar, a problem that other classes don't seem to have in either direction (mag or stam). It is clear they had something in mind for the Templar warrior, but in practice it needs work.

UrQuan

My VR16 templar is a magicka templar, and my VR5 templar is a stamina templar. For me it's partly for variety, but a stamina templar using a two-handed weapon can actually be pretty damn strong. You've got a really easy time of keeping your stamina up thanks to Repentance and Biting Jabs is a strong stamina AOE. Combine those with non-templar skills like Wrecking Blow, Executioner, Rally, Flawless Dawnbreaker, and Evil Hunter and you've got a wrecking machine. Meanwhile passives like Balanced Warrior are very helpful.

Overall I like my magicka templar better because I can more easily do more things with him (I swap between DPS, healer, and tank roles by swapping out my gear and slotted skills), but don't discount the stamina templar.

leepalmer95

UrQuan wrote: »

My VR16 templar is a magicka templar, and my VR5 templar is a stamina templar. For me it's partly for variety, but a stamina templar using a two-handed weapon can actually be pretty damn strong. You've got a really easy time of keeping your stamina up thanks to Repentance and Biting Jabs is a strong stamina AOE. Combine those with non-templar skills like Wrecking Blow, Executioner, Rally, Flawless Dawnbreaker, and Evil Hunter and you've got a wrecking machine. Meanwhile passives like Balanced Warrior are very helpful.

Overall I like my magicka templar better because I can more easily do more things with him (I swap between DPS, healer, and tank roles by swapping out my gear and slotted skills), but don't discount the stamina templar.

Feel like recommending any magicka templar build, for a dps/heal in pvp ( mainly dps i like to kill stuff)

Thinking s+b/ not sure if you should actually use a resto or not, though dual wield would do more dmg hmm...

UrQuan

For PVP? Um, I usually just use my PVE setup when I'm in PVP because I don't PVP enough to really have a good handle on what works better there. Sometimes it works out nicely, other times it doesn't. I could give you my build, but I know it's not optimized for PVP, so you're probably better off getting advice from someone else.

Brrrofski

I've just made a stam templar. Rank 35. Sword and board. I'm loving it. They have more stam synergies than a stam sorç. DK's only have dots, which with cloak, purge, purify, isn't too great.

I have mag and stam in every class now. All except this and magica Dk are vet. 4 are vet 16.

I like variety. I pvp with all except magica Dk (not enough skills I need yet) and magics templar (as toppling charged is bugged and is a huge part of my playstyle).

I know this build I have in mind for my stamplar will be very strong.

Brrrofski

leepalmer95 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

My VR16 templar is a magicka templar, and my VR5 templar is a stamina templar. For me it's partly for variety, but a stamina templar using a two-handed weapon can actually be pretty damn strong. You've got a really easy time of keeping your stamina up thanks to Repentance and Biting Jabs is a strong stamina AOE. Combine those with non-templar skills like Wrecking Blow, Executioner, Rally, Flawless Dawnbreaker, and Evil Hunter and you've got a wrecking machine. Meanwhile passives like Balanced Warrior are very helpful.

Overall I like my magicka templar better because I can more easily do more things with him (I swap between DPS, healer, and tank roles by swapping out my gear and slotted skills), but don't discount the stamina templar.

Feel like recommending any magicka templar build, for a dps/heal in pvp ( mainly dps i like to kill stuff)

Thinking s+b/ not sure if you should actually use a resto or not, though dual wield would do more dmg hmm...

I dual wield and sword and board for pvp on my templar. Works well. BoL is a good enough heal for you and your group of you're in small group. Plus you can block cast it. You look like someone just blocking whilst getting healed. Can take a while for them to work out who's healing so they don't all gun for you straight away.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Nothing beats a stamplar when grinding for cp, trophies or anything else that can be killed with steel tornado spam + repentance.

pilotfish

6% weapon power as well as 10% critical damage for slotting a class skill which gives free major savagry while dealing physical damage? Maybe?

leepalmer95

pilotfish wrote: »

6% weapon power as well as 10% critical damage for slotting a class skill which gives free major savagry while dealing physical damage? Maybe?

You get the crit dmg either way but the 6% wpn dmg you lose out on so many skills not to mention the entire healing line pretty much.

pilotfish

leepalmer95 wrote: »

pilotfish wrote: »

6% weapon power as well as 10% critical damage for slotting a class skill which gives free major savagry while dealing physical damage? Maybe?

You get the crit dmg either way but the 6% wpn dmg you lose out on so many skills not to mention the entire healing line pretty much.

You get crit damage for slotting anything from the Aedric Spear line.

I don't understand why you are pointing to skills that scale with magicka and spell power when asking about reasons to play a stamina focused character be it Templar or any class for that matter. A stamina focused character may not prefer to use a restoration staff as much as they may not prefer to use Lingering Ritual.

Reverb

I really struggled with my magicka templar after 2.1. I never landed on a build that made me feel effective in pvp, so I respecced to a s/b + 2h Stamplar and love it. It is so much more effective in Cyro and IC than my magick builds were.

It is less sustained DPS in PVE than I was as a mag-plar, and I sometimes miss being a healer. And having my mobility, defense and damage tap the same resource pool is still tough for me to manage sometimes, but repentance is brilliant for that. I honestly don't see myself going back to magick spec ever.

maxjapank

I think this is the thread I need to be in. Looking forward to hearing the pros and cons of being a Stamina Templar.

leepalmer95

maxjapank wrote: »

I think this is the thread I need to be in. Looking forward to hearing the pros and cons of being a Stamina Templar.

Pro's for stam

You have a nice spam ability, get 10% crit when using it, get decent passives to go with it, get good resource with repentence (gives hp + stamina), won't have to use wb,

Cons for stam

An entire skill tree is wasted nearly, you lose out of the best things about templars (heals), jabs it useless vs shields, you'll have to use something like a la,puncture,bash to deal with sorc or wb, you lose class execute, no ult is a stamina one,

Theres likely a lot more but thats what i can think of.

maxjapank

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cons for stam

An entire skill tree is wasted nearly, you lose out of the best things about templars (heals), jabs it useless vs shields, you'll have to use something like a la,puncture,bash to deal with sorc or wb, you lose class execute, no ult is a stamina one,

Theres likely a lot more but thats what i can think of.

Which skill tree? Isn't damage mitigation through Medium armor somewhat comparable to Light armor heals? And aren't both Jabs and puncturing useless vs. shields? So not really a Stam issue. I can see the Ult issue, but Dawnbreaker is a pretty strong Stam Ult.

Anything else?

Feisty_Khajiit128

I just made a Stamplar alt, between jabs and class skills it is pretty strong. I like playing Stamplar mainly because of Repentance.

Draxys

For pvp, because jabs can two shot lots of people right now thanks to the game having low defense against physical dmg

Kalehart

I roll a stamina templar and am currently level 31. I find it quite effective the way I do it, which is by using Binding Javelin as CC with bow skills and Rushed ceremony as a self-heal.

Melee Stamplars can alternatively use the equivalent morph for Puncturing Strikes. Essentially what this means is that you have one templar offensive skill on your bar, which has been morphed to use stamina, and your entire magicka pool is dedicated to that self heal. The other three slots are just weapon skills.

My skill bar looks like this:

Binding Javelin - Poison Injection - Acid Spray - Scorched Earth - Rushed Ceremony - (ult) Werewolf Berserker



It works well enough for me, but I'm by no means a veteran of this game.

leepalmer95

Kalehart wrote: »

I roll a stamina templar and am currently level 31. I find it quite effective the way I do it, which is by using Binding Javelin as CC with bow skills and Rushed ceremony as a self-heal.

Melee Stamplars can alternatively use the equivalent morph for Puncturing Strikes. Essentially what this means is that you have one templar offensive skill on your bar, which has been morphed to use stamina, and your entire magicka pool is dedicated to that self heal. The other three slots are just weapon skills.

My skill bar looks like this:

Binding Javelin - Poison Injection - Acid Spray - Scorched Earth - Rushed Ceremony - (ult) Werewolf Berserker



It works well enough for me, but I'm by no means a veteran of this game.

Problem is if you go stamina then the self heal will be useless as it will be too low/

WreckfulAbandon

Biting Jabs can ruin a light armor user's day, Templars actually have decent resource management with repentance and channeled focus. Use engine guardian with repentance and you shouldn't run out of stamina.

Purifying ritual is a great mana dump and the balance warrior passive is very nice. Not the best stamina class, but it has its benefits.

DjKahun

I used a Magika Templar until I reached V16 then I went to stamina purely for pvp, my templar hits really hard with 2h I have 4.3k+ weapon damage and when I hit a nice crit I can 1 hit people with light armour. Greatest thing about the templar is Repentance as it restores your stamina when used and purifying ritual the best purify in the game that can remove 5 negative effects and biting jabs.. This spell is just crazy it hits very hard one of the best DPS spells in the game.

@leepalmer95 Self heal is not a problem at all, Resolving Vigor + Rally + Repentance that's 3 different healing spells that use stamina, well repentance doesnt use any resources at all and also magika spell I use is purifying ritual which also heals you, it's just great I can put up a fight against a group easily as long as you learn to use your stamina templar correctly. I have to stay I prefer Stamina Templar over Magika Templar any time.

AverageJo3Gam3r

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Problem is if you go stamina then the self heal will be useless as it will be too low/

There are worse magicka dumps than BoL

leepalmer95

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Problem is if you go stamina then the self heal will be useless as it will be too low/

There are worse magicka dumps than BoL

Yeah i suppose, it's a nice magicka dump when your low lvl and don't have rally/vigor, still though using your entire magicka pool to heal 1/2 hp xD

dodgehopper_ESO

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Kalehart wrote: »

I roll a stamina templar and am currently level 31. I find it quite effective the way I do it, which is by using Binding Javelin as CC with bow skills and Rushed ceremony as a self-heal.

Melee Stamplars can alternatively use the equivalent morph for Puncturing Strikes. Essentially what this means is that you have one templar offensive skill on your bar, which has been morphed to use stamina, and your entire magicka pool is dedicated to that self heal. The other three slots are just weapon skills.

My skill bar looks like this:

Binding Javelin - Poison Injection - Acid Spray - Scorched Earth - Rushed Ceremony - (ult) Werewolf Berserker



It works well enough for me, but I'm by no means a veteran of this game.

Problem is if you go stamina then the self heal will be useless as it will be too low/

This is why we need bonus to global healing again, or a rethinking of our morphs as Templars. Right now my Vigor/Rally are underperforming with respect to the "Non-healer" classes. I think this is a mistake in design, and guts a large portion of the advantage of being a Templar. This is why I keep seeing people say how great Templar Healers are, to the exclusion of everything else you should be able to do with the class.

dodgehopper_ESO

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Problem is if you go stamina then the self heal will be useless as it will be too low/

There are worse magicka dumps than BoL

Before they gutted Sun Shield is was a far more efficient magicka dump as a Stamplar. Breath of Life is a horrible magicka dump, and if Toppling Charge actually worked I would much rather use it as a magicka dump than BoL any day as a Stamplar. Even now as bad as a state as Sun Shield is in, I would still argue Sun Shield is better than BoL as a Stamplar. Vigor/Rally are significantly better. It is simply inefficient and ineffective to use BoL if you are not built for magic.

Dread_Guy

I've been playing as a Stamplar since ESO came to the consoles mostly because I wanted to benefit the most from being an imperial. They get 12% max health, 10% stamina, and their passive red diamond procs off biting jabs.

Stamplars are really good at wiping trash mobs in PvE and grinding. In PvP, I feel I can hold my own in any fight as a stamplar. They do very good damage and with the right build, you can go against anyone. The problems I have in PvP with them are more problems with Templars in general - lack or mobility and regen.

When I was a magicka user, I could face tank any burst damage and just Breath of life myself back to full in one or two casts.

With a stamplar, I have to ->dodgeroll cast vigor ->rally -> dodgeroll again. This is a massive drain to my stamina pool which I still need to use for break frees and using my abilities. If I want to cast caltrops, well their's a 1/10th of my stamina gone. What makes matters worse is that stamplar stamina costs are grossly high if you don't run reduction. With the 2/2 passive in the dawn's wrath tree you get only 4% reduction (seriously why is it this low?!). I don't go into reduction because I prefer recovery so typically my jabs cost 2000 stamina per use. That's not too bad, but piercing javelin cost 2900-3000 stamina per use!

Despite what I just wrote, I love playing my stamplar. It's takes a lot of adjusting, but I feel like a better player when I outplay someone with my stamplar as opposed to using a magicka nb or magicka sorc

WillhelmBlack

1v1 they're good. More burst than a Magicka Templar. If you pick your fights, they shine but if you go balls deep it's gonna hurt.

Bazeric

Because some people are crazy!

...Or I just got tried of being the last guy standing in PVP simply because I got locked into full heal mode without an opportunity to counter. See:

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

I could face tank any burst damage and just Breath of life myself back to full in one or two casts.

Plus the Briarheart set gave me some ideas. Oh and my race having less opportunity to optimize magicka since the Great Uncapping.

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

...I wanted to benefit the most from being an imperial.

But honestly why do people play Templars period if it is about maxing things other classes are better at most everything if built correctly. Healer being the only debatable one. (But I think if a magblade wanted to, they could find a way and by design would end up with more DPS)

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

...problems with Templars in general - lack or mobility and regen...

Don't remind me...

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

With a stamplar, I have to ->dodgeroll cast vigor ->rally -> dodgeroll again. This is a massive drain to my stamina pool which I still need to use for break frees and using my abilities.

Would you believe I don't run with rally?!?!?!?!? Insane I know.

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

If I want to cast caltrops, well their's a 1/10th of my stamina gone. What makes matters worse is that stamplar stamina costs are grossly high if you don't run reduction. With the 2/2 passive in the dawn's wrath tree you get only 4% reduction (seriously why is it this low?!). I don't go into reduction because I prefer recovery so typically my jabs cost 2000 stamina per use. That's not too bad, but piercing javelin cost 2900-3000 stamina per use!

Remember when Javelin also didn't do any dmg? At least they took a step in the right direction with that.

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

Despite what I just wrote, I love playing my stamplar. It's takes a lot of adjusting, but I feel like a better player when I outplay someone with my stamplar as opposed to using a magicka nb or magicka sorc

Love is a strong word, but I enjoy that feeling of victory that much more.... when it does happen..... which sometimes it doesn't. Of course I am just remembering the one sorc that jumped me and I had my AOE equiped (s2w) and I couldn't quite get it... we all have one memory like that I guess. I supposed it doesn't help if you don't quiet have all your gear either, which I am also guilty of..... But despite having a magblade alt available, I still find myself banging my head against a wall playing my stamplar.