Why do people use group finder, then get mad and yell when I'm just learning?

Decayed_Inside

So I've mainly done pvp since I have trouble finding dungeon groups. I really haven't done most dungeons. I was really happy to learn group finder would be improved. I have been trying to use it but i keep running into the same situation. Everyone in the group seems pretty cool and chill except somehow the group leader seems to always be uptight and angry. Okay so you're an elitist? You can do all dungeons in 20 mins or less with no deaths? Cool for you, go use your preformed group. That or at least try to be helpful. What i'm seeing instead is someone who just starts yelling, doesn't try to explain what I'm doing wrong. I figured out on my own i was supposed to block at a certain point to not get one shotted. Okay cool I'll block. Then the group leader dies himself, starts raging out and kicks everyone from the daily vet at the last boss. Why does the angry person have this power? Why does anyone? Can't it be a vote system since it's a group finder? Or do you have to let the angry person kick everyone out and not let us learn? I'm just trying to learn and have fun, do people really have to pick on me and kick everyone out? I just want to learn and have fun.....

riverdragon72

The amount of vacuuming richards in this game is amazing. It's hard but just put them on your ignore list and move on. I went though a lot of grief learning my DK, much of the time I was doing my part just fine and the last person of the party alive only to be kicked from the group because some oober leet glass cannons got one shot.

Decayed_Inside

I did really good just now on my sorc I'm finding if i just spam hardened ward i can skip learning the mechanics and not get yelled at. I miss the days when we would laugh and help each other. By "we" i just mean gamers in general.

xoduspaladin

Speaking from experience (and as a healer) I have seen it goes both ways running pug dungeons. Sure there are some group leaders that are elitist and such, I will not deny that, but also, a person who does not know the mechanics should kinda warn the group before hand that he or she does not. This by itself would kill a lot of the hostility. A lot of time communication is the major issue with these things, so if you communicate, then people will understand that you don't know what you're suppose to know.

revonine

I did the vet pledge today and upon spawning in the tank messaged me saying "Kick the VET2, because he's only VET2". I ignored him. Long story short we finished the dungeon in a reasonable amount of time.

Ironically the tank turned out to be the "noob", kept shouting at me over voice chat to stop killing the Deadroth when we were fighting Rilis when you can easily just keep killing them until you get to execute range and just let him spawn three then for pure easy mode.

Shadesofkin

The only time I'm upset at "I'm learning" are the players who didn't do a single dungeon as they leveled up. Grinding your way to max ranks and then wanting to be handheld through dungeons is unfair to the players who know how to play and learned along the way.

Now, that being said, I'm infinitely more patient than my friends, so I tend to be willing to walk someone through a dungeon if they'll hop in our TS and listen.

failkiwib16_ESO

If you join a pve guild or do those dungeons with your friends, you will be surprised at how much better it goes. Often people use the grouping tool for pledge purpose, and the quest for those are a bit different ....

Dungeon quest:
Often needs some bosses, that Pledge doesn't need, and you need to wait for npc's to finish their conversations. These take around 20 minutes for an experienced team, and 1-2 hours for an inexperienced but good geared team. In case the team is badly geared and build then it might take 2-3 hours or be completely impossible to finish.

Pledge quest:
Can often skip multiple bosses in dungeons, and no need to wait for npc's to catch up or finish talking. Just don't mess up the endboss mechanic for completing the optional and getting a goldkey instead of a silverkey. These take 12-40 minutes depending on dungeon and group setup.

Many players do Pledges on a daily base with multiple chars, and don't wish to wait for quest content in the dungeon.

I recomend that you ask a bit around and join some guilds, try to find other players who wish to do the same, and do the runs together. Tell your group that you need the mechanics explained at bosses, so that your group doesn't go into a dungeon assuming you already know what to do << that can cost a lot of soul gems

Waffennacht

I walked out on my last PUG.

So far the only dungeons I have completed are the AD normals.

I have only soloed dungeons. When our PUG failed to kill the first boss on a dungeon I had already soloed... I had to just leave.

I would much rather be told what Im doing wrong rather than what OP experienced, or ill just walk out.

Decayed_Inside

Great answers guys thanks. I guess I will start looking for a PVE guild. I think my main problem was I wanted to get my NB undaunted leveled up and I'm just not good with him in pve. My sorc is doing good for me a bit lower dps but i survive. And yeah I totally leveled up multiple characters to VR16 without doing anything but banished cells. lol

Refuse2GrowUp

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

So I've mainly done pvp since I have trouble finding dungeon groups. I really haven't done most dungeons. I was really happy to learn group finder would be improved. I have been trying to use it but i keep running into the same situation. Everyone in the group seems pretty cool and chill except somehow the group leader seems to always be uptight and angry. Okay so you're an elitist? You can do all dungeons in 20 mins or less with no deaths? Cool for you, go use your preformed group. That or at least try to be helpful. What i'm seeing instead is someone who just starts yelling, doesn't try to explain what I'm doing wrong. I figured out on my own i was supposed to block at a certain point to not get one shotted. Okay cool I'll block. Then the group leader dies himself, starts raging out and kicks everyone from the daily vet at the last boss. Why does the angry person have this power? Why does anyone? Can't it be a vote system since it's a group finder? Or do you have to let the angry person kick everyone out and not let us learn? I'm just trying to learn and have fun, do people really have to pick on me and kick everyone out? I just want to learn and have fun.....

Some people are just d...ks (or maybe a cool person just having a bad day). Not much you can do about that.

Beyond that tho, I think it is more a problem of expectations. I don't use group finder too often, but when I do I always ask the players I am grouped with if they have done the dungeon before and if they know the fights. If they say no, then I have the expectation from the get go that I will need to be a little patient and I ensure I fully explain each boss fights mechanics and what a particular player will need to do for their part in that fight. I switch from 'lets just get this daily done' mode to 'lets take this slowly and teach this dungeon' mode.

Might I recommend for anyone that is using group finder and new to a particular dungeon, or having trouble at a particular spot(s) in a dungeon, to simply let the group know that when the group is first formed. If you get paired with leetists that don't want the burden, they will simply leave at that point and thus you don't waste your time in the dungeon only to have them leave at the boss. If not paired with leetist, then it will let the rest of the group know they should be patient with you and they will hopefully help explain mechanics and make it a cleaner, quicker, and more fun run.

gw2only1b14_ESO

revonine wrote: »

I did the vet pledge today and upon spawning in the tank messaged me saying "Kick the VET2, because he's only VET2". I ignored him. Long story short we finished the dungeon in a reasonable amount of time.

Ironically the tank turned out to be the "noob", kept shouting at me over voice chat to stop killing the Deadroth when we were fighting Rilis when you can easily just keep killing them until you get to execute range and just let him spawn three then for pure easy mode.

Isnt that when you wish PVE could become PVP and you wtf Pawn your annoying group mate......O waite your the healer....."Dam sorry you died there buddy"

Sharee

Tip: If you put someone on your ignore list, the group finder will no longer try to put you in the same group.

Troneon

Because they are *** bags?

Everytime I do late night dungeon runs, sometimes we get a lvl 20+ or something. First time they are doing dungeon, they want to look around, read books, do quests etc etc.

So I offer them food to get their health up so they don't get one shot. Explain to them they need this, this or this to not die and to do this to help out. Then I focus the fights around them so we succeed and teach them what to do.

We have a great dungeon run, they love the game, they complete quest and are happy, they won't get kicked from groups for sucking because now they know what to do and what not to do. Even the not new guys learn some things and now I have a new friend who pays me gold to craft things for them and asks me lots of questions about the game while I am fishing and listening to music.

I call that a win.

A few months later I have a full contacts list of dungeon runners who used to be lower level noobs and are now all fast dungeon runners with VR16 characters.

Full contacts list of decent dungeon runners and unlimited supply of players asking me to craft stuff for them...

I call that epic win.

CaptainObvious

So in this case, the leader probably has less of a clue than the other players. They are simply being loud to attempt to establish dominance. In theory, if they are dominant then they can deflect blame in the event of failure. S rolls downhill so to speak.

Besides, there are a lot of people whose sole strategy on dealing with a situation comes from someone elses' strategy.

What you might do is try to find decent people in those pick up groups and then join them together outside of the group finder.

With things that are purely random, you are more likely to run into the Avatar of John Gabriel's Theory of the Internet.

DRXHarbinger

You must be on console and referring to my mate nerenith in COH yesterday? People do scream block all times and it does need to be blocked. Sometimes we all eat the giant skull sometimes we dodge it fine. Most pug groups are *** and always yell at people. Mostly because they actually suck at the game and take it out on others because they believe they are boss. Belive me I've had people approach for help on dungeons at V16 with 1100 spell damage on a magika sorc and blame me for them not taking on trash mobs.
Best bet really isn't to use group finder. It chucks you in with all the idiots. Hang around the enclave and speak to them first.

revonine

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

V16 with 1100 spell damage on a magika sorc

I'm not saying I don't believe you, bbut how the hell is that possible? They wearing stamina gear? xD

Artjuh90

is this on pc?

Refuse2GrowUp

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

You must be on console and referring to my mate nerenith in COH yesterday? People do scream block all times and it does need to be blocked. Sometimes we all eat the giant skull sometimes we dodge it fine. Most pug groups are *** and always yell at people. Mostly because they actually suck at the game and take it out on others because they believe they are boss. Belive me I've had people approach for help on dungeons at V16 with 1100 spell damage on a magika sorc and blame me for them not taking on trash mobs.
Best bet really isn't to use group finder. It chucks you in with all the idiots. Hang around the enclave and speak to them first.

I say 'block' when Narieneth is charging his heavy skull. It does not necessarily mean you have to block; you can dodge roll if you prefer. It is simply a warning that he is about to do it so you don't take a heavy to the back. Much better to not communicate and let the healer get killed because he/she was watching health bars and launching shards at the tank vice watching the boss. Nice generalization tho

Decayed_Inside

This was on ps4 and yes it was Crypt of hearts. I''m going to try it again today on a sorc and just shield stack through the part that was killing me.

revonine

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

This was on ps4 and yes it was Crypt of hearts. I''m going to try it again today on a sorc and just shield stack through the part that was killing me.

He turns and aims the heavy skull at the person he's going to fire it at. The visual cues give you plenty of time for a block or roll.

Xjcon

Back when I was learning this game I spent a few minutes reading some stuff about the dungeons I was going to be attempting So that I wasn't the noob that had no clue. With that said I also know to expect a level of noob when ever I join a pug or try to use the group finder.

failkiwib16_ESO

revonine wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

V16 with 1100 spell damage on a magika sorc

I'm not saying I don't believe you, bbut how the hell is that possible? They wearing stamina gear? xD

@revonine
It's when people use outdated low level gear, or don't wear sets at all. Decent damage gear costs around 1 million, and people who just grinded their way up or only solo quested and died too much + wasted their quest income on soul gems don't stand a chance, and need to grind a bit + learn to trade to afford v16 damage gear first.... but they're not all willing to do that.

Also a lot of devoted pvp players tend to walk into pve with their pvp gear as damage dealers, and wonder why the healer or tank deals more damage than they do ...while wearing stuff like whitestrake + engine guardian and using magicka based damage skills. 0 AoE slotted, but got streak and rapid maneuvre and healing ward.

Decayed_Inside

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

revonine wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

V16 with 1100 spell damage on a magika sorc

I'm not saying I don't believe you, bbut how the hell is that possible? They wearing stamina gear? xD

@revonine
It's when people use outdated low level gear, or don't wear sets at all. Decent damage gear costs around 1 million, and people who just grinded their way up or only solo quested and died too much + wasted their quest income on soul gems don't stand a chance, and need to grind a bit + learn to trade to afford v16 damage gear first.... but they're not all willing to do that.

Also a lot of devoted pvp players tend to walk into pve with their pvp gear as damage dealers, and wonder why the healer or tank deals more damage than they do ...while wearing stuff like whitestrake + engine guardian and using magicka based damage skills. 0 AoE slotted, but got streak and rapid maneuvre and healing ward.

Part of this was my issue actually. I did have healing ward slotted (lol) but not streak and rapid at least. I have AOE but it wasn't hitting hard enough. I had VR16 gear but my 5 piece is Kagrenac's hope gonna switch to julianos. Gonna try a simple build and try to get my magika at 40k and spell dmg 2900 instead of high regens and low crit. My crit was like 33% gonna get it to around 60

AlnilamE

It's tempting to use the group finder to get the gold pledge when you are learning, but you will be more likely to find groups that are in a hurry to finish the dungeon rather than take the time to explain mechanics to you.

As some others have explained, there are folks with limited playtime that want to do the pledges with more than one character. And getting into a group with someone who is not experienced in a particular dungeon can make that impossible, particularly if they are not top-notch players themselves.

That said, I have given up a gold key to show a new player around a dungeon when we discovered they had never done vet DC (and were trying to single-target Grobul). But there are some days where I pick my dungeon groups with care.

Asherons_Call

Shadesofkin wrote: »

The only time I'm upset at "I'm learning" are the players who didn't do a single dungeon as they leveled up. Grinding your way to max ranks and then wanting to be handheld through dungeons is unfair to the players who know how to play and learned along the way.

Now, that being said, I'm infinitely more patient than my friends, so I tend to be willing to walk someone through a dungeon if they'll hop in our TS and listen.

I never did a group dungeon until vet 16 when I started seeing the need for monster sets. I never grinded. Quested and took my time all the way through to caldwells gold. The key is just to be honest up front and let everyone know that this is your first run through

Tabbycat

It is my firm belief that if you are new and learning the absolute worst thing you can do is PUG.

The best thing you can do is create a pre-made group of friends and guildies and even friends of friends.

vamp_emily

I've been playing PvP for at least a year now. I've only done maybe 4 or 5 dungeons in that time.

I really want to do dungeons but I don't like playing with mean people. The last dungeon I did a guy was crying about the tank not doing his job.. blah blah blah. Calling him names and other things. It was so not fun to hear.

Then the guy had enough nerve questioning me why i am using a healing staff on my NB. I got smart and said "because I want to". But really I was trying to be a backup healer just incase the healer needed help.

I am the type of player that I will give you all I have to offer, but I do make mistakes and I don't need someone yelling at me or anyone else. It is pretty sad that I have never even done an undaunted daily pledge. One of my characters is a vet 10 and still have the undaunted invite letter sitting in my mailbox.

I know ZOS is working on the group finder tool. I really hope they add some kind of option where you can find like minded players. Kind of like a mood drop down or something, where you can specify what type of player your are.

Tors

@Decayed_Inside

"Why do people use group finder, then get mad and yell when I'm just learning? "


Because they are idiots, the fact they are using the system as well as you shows they are probably not playing with a group of friends or are a member of a decent guild.

group finder is for those on the outside looking in, those who are new and looking to make new relationships with other players and those still learning.

Ignore the people who ***, they are the dross of the MMORPG world. Its a shame we don't yet have AI control over these things so the AI could block them from entering and leave people who arent idiots to actually enjoy the LFG tool

altemriel

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

So I've mainly done pvp since I have trouble finding dungeon groups. I really haven't done most dungeons. I was really happy to learn group finder would be improved. I have been trying to use it but i keep running into the same situation. Everyone in the group seems pretty cool and chill except somehow the group leader seems to always be uptight and angry. Okay so you're an elitist? You can do all dungeons in 20 mins or less with no deaths? Cool for you, go use your preformed group. That or at least try to be helpful. What i'm seeing instead is someone who just starts yelling, doesn't try to explain what I'm doing wrong. I figured out on my own i was supposed to block at a certain point to not get one shotted. Okay cool I'll block. Then the group leader dies himself, starts raging out and kicks everyone from the daily vet at the last boss. Why does the angry person have this power? Why does anyone? Can't it be a vote system since it's a group finder? Or do you have to let the angry person kick everyone out and not let us learn? I'm just trying to learn and have fun, do people really have to pick on me and kick everyone out? I just want to learn and have fun.....

there always will be some people that are immature enought to behave like idiots . just put them to ignore list and meet us nice and relaxed guys !

Grimlord8311

What platform are you on? im trying to learn all the dungeons and stuff to and could always use a partner or three

Grimlord8311

nevermind, just seen your on the ps4, xbox one for this guy