Wrecking Blow - again!

Stigant

My yesterdays story in Trueflame EU Imperial city, 1v1 against DK

I get Fosilized, I Break free while he's setting up his WB, I Block WB, my stamina goes down when I blocked the damage but I still get CCed (While blocking and with CC imunity from breaking free Fosilize stun), I break free again while flying only to get hit by yet another WB in the air, during the break free animation I eat yup that WB my HP is at half and I'm out of stamina ... on a Stam build ... and I fall down on my back stuned ... and this guy just keeps spamming WB's poping Immovability pots and Immovable skill in between ...

there is a good reason why almost every StamDK and Stamsorc is spamming WB and it's not just that they "don't have a choice" its because the ability is broken and gives too much reward for almost no risk, the other mechanics around it are broken ... rolldodge nerf and blocking stamregen was halfassed harsh decision that was very poorly executed and just promoted "onebutton-wonder" builds like WB spam even more.

WB is not fine it should have been adjusted at the same time the rolldodge fatigue and no-block-stam-regen was introduced. And also totally unfunctionall CC immunity is BS.


1. Either keep it as it is BUT make it bashable (and only bashable)

OR

2. Tune down its ridiculous rewards for no risk: Tune down the Range, remove the CC, keep the empower, cast time and Damage so its usefull in PvE while it still stays the "spammable" burst damage skill in PvP for those Stamsorcs and DK's who "don't have a choice but to use it"

I would be fine with either one of those

Xsorus

Stigant wrote: »

My yesterdays story in Trueflame EU Imperial city, 1v1 against DK

I get Fosilized, I Break free while he's setting up his WB, I Block WB, my stamina goes down when I blocked the damage but I still get CCed (While blocking and with CC imunity from breaking free Fosilize stun), I break free again while flying only to get hit by yet another WB in the air, during the break free animation I eat yup that WB my HP is at half and I'm out of stamina ... on a Stam build ... and I fall down on my back stuned ... and this guy just keeps spamming WB's poping Immovability pots and Immovable skill in between ...

there is a good reason why almost every StamDK and Stamsorc is spamming WB and it's not just that they "don't have a choice" its because the ability is broken and gives too much reward for almost no risk, the other mechanics around it are broken ... rolldodge nerf and blocking stamregen was halfassed harsh decision that was very poorly executed and just promoted "onebutton-wonder" builds like WB spam even more.

WB is not fine it should have been adjusted at the same time the rolldodge fatigue and no-block-stam-regen was introduced. And also totally unfunctionall CC immunity is BS.


1. Either keep it as it is BUT make it bashable (and only bashable)

OR

2. Tune down its ridiculous rewards for no risk: Tune down the Range, remove the CC, keep the empower, cast time and Damage so its usefull in PvE while it still stays the "spammable" burst damage skill in PvP for those Stamsorcs and DK's who "don't have a choice but to use it"

I would be fine with either one of those

No.. They pretty much use it because it's really the only option if ya go two hander, your bash suggestion will pretty much make it not used at all as everyone will switch to the other setup of ransack/light attack/bash combo while using two hander as your buff weapon.

Stigant

Xsorus wrote: »

No.. They pretty much use it because it's really the only option if ya go two hander, your bash suggestion will pretty much make it not used at all as everyone will switch to the other setup of ransack/light attack/bash combo while using two hander as your buff weapon.

Not if they keep the 7m range on it ... at least it would take some skill, movement and positioning on both sides ...

Jade1986

Lucky28 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Angarato wrote: »

wb is the noobtube ability. it can hit upto 12k damage in a game where most pvpers have around 20k health
add a cc to that and you have the most op move in the game and thats without the fact theres ALSO an empower on it.

most classes have 1 cc button 1 high burst damage button and 1 buff button. wb spammers have 1 button that does all 3.
its NOT easy to run through them unless theyre a potato.
- you can backpeddle while using it
- you can snare the person and he'll never run through you
- if you fail it costs 0 stamina, just press it again
- if you land 1 you can already start casting the next 1 during the animation so even if the target breaks out instantly the next 1 will hit putting them in execute range.
- "you can block" the only other ability that you HAVE to block or die is take flight or ice comet which is an expensive ultimate

2 options to fix this ability
- make it a CC move keep the empower whatever but make it do damage onpar with streak or fossilize or something
- make it a dps move and remove the CC and empower.
-

I have been hit for 18 k heavy attacks. 16 K Crystal frags and 28 k snipes. WB is by no means the strongest ability.

Also, if you remove the cc ability, I would expect the CC to be removed from crystal frags as well. You cannot neuter one ability and leave the others as is.

hard casting Crystal Fragments can be interrupted as can snipe. Wreaking blow cannot be interrupted. So if you want everything equal, Wreaking blow should be interruptible.

Snipe and crystal frags are also ranged so it is much more difficult to interrupt them, wrecking blow is melee range, so if it were interruptable, it would be useless, just like it was at launch.

Jade1986

Ampnode wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Angarato wrote: »

wb is the noobtube ability. it can hit upto 12k damage in a game where most pvpers have around 20k health
add a cc to that and you have the most op move in the game and thats without the fact theres ALSO an empower on it.

most classes have 1 cc button 1 high burst damage button and 1 buff button. wb spammers have 1 button that does all 3.
its NOT easy to run through them unless theyre a potato.
- you can backpeddle while using it
- you can snare the person and he'll never run through you
- if you fail it costs 0 stamina, just press it again
- if you land 1 you can already start casting the next 1 during the animation so even if the target breaks out instantly the next 1 will hit putting them in execute range.
- "you can block" the only other ability that you HAVE to block or die is take flight or ice comet which is an expensive ultimate

2 options to fix this ability
- make it a CC move keep the empower whatever but make it do damage onpar with streak or fossilize or something
- make it a dps move and remove the CC and empower.
-

I have been hit for 18 k heavy attacks. 16 K Crystal frags and 28 k snipes. WB is by no means the strongest ability.

Also, if you remove the cc ability, I would expect the CC to be removed from crystal frags as well. You cannot neuter one ability and leave the others as is.

28 k snipes

We're here to discuss an ability, not exaggerated damage numbers you come up with in your head. Let's go over the other 2, though.

18 k heavy attacks. 16 K Crystal frags

Heavy attacks, I've seen happen and have been killed by them in 1 hit with a lucky camo hunter proc, but that's a broken mechanic that, again, favors NBs. Crystal frags, never been hit with a 16K after 1.7. Probably because I wear 2 heavy, 5 light, and S&B with 6 piece impen, but that number only seems possible if you're wearing full medium or light. Anyway, the only way a frag can be at all effective is through procing it. If somebody is hard casting 'em? You can interrupt it, unlike WB. Since they're mainly used by procing it, they're not used as frequently as WB is up in front of your face. You can then go on about the combo a sorc can do with that proc'd frag, but that's easily avoided by simply blocking their entire curse, det, frag, and dawnbreaker combo. Then you can say you can just do the same with WB; however, keep in mind that WB is used every second. You're receiving a constant CC that throws out 10K+ damage. WB - Used every 1 second; Frag - Used every 4-5 seconds. Not only that, but it's easy to stop a sorc from setting up that combo.

@Synthets

This post goes to you as well.

You don't have to believe me, I really don't care, that doesn't change the fact that as a v 6, wearing all heavy I got hit by a 16 k crystal frag and as a v 7 wearing all medium I got hit by a snipe that was 28 k. These numbers should GENERALLY , for all abilities, not be possible with the current health pools, wrecking blow, snipe, whatever, none of them, it is just shoddy game design. 1/4 of your health, fine, maybe 1/3 with crits, but not 3/4 or 125 % of your health.

Lucky28

laced wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Angarato wrote: »

wb is the noobtube ability. it can hit upto 12k damage in a game where most pvpers have around 20k health
add a cc to that and you have the most op move in the game and thats without the fact theres ALSO an empower on it.

most classes have 1 cc button 1 high burst damage button and 1 buff button. wb spammers have 1 button that does all 3.
its NOT easy to run through them unless theyre a potato.
- you can backpeddle while using it
- you can snare the person and he'll never run through you
- if you fail it costs 0 stamina, just press it again
- if you land 1 you can already start casting the next 1 during the animation so even if the target breaks out instantly the next 1 will hit putting them in execute range.
- "you can block" the only other ability that you HAVE to block or die is take flight or ice comet which is an expensive ultimate

2 options to fix this ability
- make it a CC move keep the empower whatever but make it do damage onpar with streak or fossilize or something
- make it a dps move and remove the CC and empower.
-

I have been hit for 18 k heavy attacks. 16 K Crystal frags and 28 k snipes. WB is by no means the strongest ability.

Also, if you remove the cc ability, I would expect the CC to be removed from crystal frags as well. You cannot neuter one ability and leave the others as is.

hard casting Crystal Fragments can be interrupted as can snipe. Wreaking blow cannot be interrupted. So if you want everything equal, Wreaking blow should be interruptible.

Snipe and crystal frags are also ranged so it is much more difficult to interrupt them, wrecking blow is melee range, so if it were interruptable, it would be useless, just like it was at launch.

not useless, you'd just have to consider how and when you use it rather than just sit there and spam the *** out of it.

leepalmer95

Lucky28 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Angarato wrote: »

wb is the noobtube ability. it can hit upto 12k damage in a game where most pvpers have around 20k health
add a cc to that and you have the most op move in the game and thats without the fact theres ALSO an empower on it.

most classes have 1 cc button 1 high burst damage button and 1 buff button. wb spammers have 1 button that does all 3.
its NOT easy to run through them unless theyre a potato.
- you can backpeddle while using it
- you can snare the person and he'll never run through you
- if you fail it costs 0 stamina, just press it again
- if you land 1 you can already start casting the next 1 during the animation so even if the target breaks out instantly the next 1 will hit putting them in execute range.
- "you can block" the only other ability that you HAVE to block or die is take flight or ice comet which is an expensive ultimate

2 options to fix this ability
- make it a CC move keep the empower whatever but make it do damage onpar with streak or fossilize or something
- make it a dps move and remove the CC and empower.
-

I have been hit for 18 k heavy attacks. 16 K Crystal frags and 28 k snipes. WB is by no means the strongest ability.

Also, if you remove the cc ability, I would expect the CC to be removed from crystal frags as well. You cannot neuter one ability and leave the others as is.

hard casting Crystal Fragments can be interrupted as can snipe. Wreaking blow cannot be interrupted. So if you want everything equal, Wreaking blow should be interruptible.

Snipe and crystal frags are also ranged so it is much more difficult to interrupt them, wrecking blow is melee range, so if it were interruptable, it would be useless, just like it was at launch.

not useless, you'd just have to consider how and when you use it rather than just sit there and spam the *** out of it.

Bash.

M_TeK_9

Armor abilities.

Stun

Block

Shields

Physical Resistance

These are all things that will prevent you from being owned by a skill everyone is able to utilize. Stop copying scrub builds off of people who make videos and convince you they're good and instead customize your own build to counter the things that kill you. Bone shield returns 33% damage to melee attackers. Try it. All of you Deltia nutloving scrubs with single attribute builds and high spell/weapon damage but no proper defenses on your bars get one shotted and wonder why. I can think of 20 ways to beat WB.

Most useful combo or similar to - Breakout, stun or knockdown, DoT, self buff, enemy debuff, Burst x 2, execute

Stigant

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Armor abilities.

Bone shield morphed in to spiked shield

Stun

Block

All of you single attribute builds with high spell/weapon damage get one shotted and wonder why. I can think of 20 ways to beat WB.

Most useful combo or similar to - Breakout, stun or knockdown, self buff, enemy debuff, DoT, Burst x 2, execute

easier said than done

M_TeK_9

Stigant wrote: »

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Armor abilities.

Bone shield morphed in to spiked shield

Stun

Block

All of you single attribute builds with high spell/weapon damage get one shotted and wonder why. I can think of 20 ways to beat WB.

Most useful combo or similar to - Breakout, stun or knockdown, self buff, enemy debuff, DoT, Burst x 2, execute

easier said than done

I've edited my post. My bad.

But no it's really not. You have to build for it. Sacrafice damage for sustain and defense and prepare for disabling effects. All of the tools needed to overcome wb are available for everyone to use.

leepalmer95

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Armor abilities.

Stun

Block

Shields

Physical Resistance

These are all things that will prevent you from being owned by a skill everyone is able to utilize. Stop copying scrub builds off of people who make videos and convince you they're good and instead customize your own build to counter the things that kill you. Bone shield returns 33% damage to melee attackers. Try it. All of you Deltia nutloving scrubs with single attribute builds and high spell/weapon damage but no proper defenses on your bars get one shotted and wonder why. I can think of 20 ways to beat WB.

Most useful combo or similar to - Breakout, stun or knockdown, DoT, self buff, enemy debuff, Burst x 2, execute

Lol, bone shield xD

TheNephilimCrow

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Hello!
I know, old story, but it's still a very real matter.

So, I just had some interesting fights in Cyrodiil and watched some captures of a particular player I killed. I got hit by said person for 12k Wrecking Blows, and he is a vet 1. Watched the vids, and he can, as a vet 1, kill v16s within 2 seconds easily with WB alone just by spamming it. The first WB sends one flying, and by the time you broke free, two more WBs have already hit and killed you.

Enough is enough. There are good arguments, pro and con, in regards to the current WB, but when a vet 1 can just spam it and "oneshot" vet 16s with it, that is just BAD design. It's an easy button, a crutch.
And before you even try to argue, no. Just no. Dodging it is way more difficult than you make it to be. The cast time is too short to walk through the enemy, who also backs up. The first WB can be combined with sneak and cloak for an easy "oneshot". And overall, with the insane amount of lag and effects on the screen, you just can't keep in control that easily. WB offers way too much reward for way too few risks.

Here's what, imo, should happen:
1. Longer cast time. 0.8 is too short on the screen to react. At least 1.1 seems appropriate.
2. Remove cc effects. It got removed for Flame Lash, there is no valid justification for WB to still have it. Make it the move people claim it to be in their defenses of it: a dps move.
3. Tweak the damage in accordance to other dps moves. There is absolutely zero reason WB is allowed to VASTLY out-dps my Flame Lash. Maybe the new cp mitigation for physical damage will help, but I feel like Wrecking Blow's innate damage is the problem.

I can see where this can be an issue. I've always been the kind of player to avoid cheap tactics, because I love challenges. I avoid "easy buttons", but with that said... I was hit by WB once. It tickled. With my Magicka Sorcerer and how high my shields go, there's nothing that WB can do to me. I will just streak through the attacker and drop them. They come at me again? I streak through them, while hitting them with Crystal Frag. There's counters to everything, just gotta find them.

Stigant

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Armor abilities.

Stun

Block

Shields

Physical Resistance

These are all things that will prevent you from being owned by a skill everyone is able to utilize. Stop copying scrub builds off of people who make videos and convince you they're good and instead customize your own build to counter the things that kill you. Bone shield returns 33% damage to melee attackers. Try it. All of you Deltia nutloving scrubs with single attribute builds and high spell/weapon damage but no proper defenses on your bars get one shotted and wonder why. I can think of 20 ways to beat WB.

Most useful combo or similar to - Breakout, stun or knockdown, DoT, self buff, enemy debuff, Burst x 2, execute

DUDE ... you might wanna tune that tone down a bit ...
1. noone likes to be patronized like you do
2. Have some respect ... Deltia (even thought I m not a big fan of his builds) actually does a good job presenting functionall build to less experienced and cassuall players
3. I (and lot of us here) have been playing this game since beta and early access ... I can usually deal with WB spammer 1v1 more or less successfully same as I ve been using WB in few of my own builds and trust me when I tell you, given all the mechanics in place, including those broken ones it needs some tuning down. There is a reason when 90% of stambuilds out there are playing "one-button-wonder" WB spam build and it's certainly not because its weak and everyone wants to be challenged

leepalmer95

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Hello!
I know, old story, but it's still a very real matter.

So, I just had some interesting fights in Cyrodiil and watched some captures of a particular player I killed. I got hit by said person for 12k Wrecking Blows, and he is a vet 1. Watched the vids, and he can, as a vet 1, kill v16s within 2 seconds easily with WB alone just by spamming it. The first WB sends one flying, and by the time you broke free, two more WBs have already hit and killed you.

Enough is enough. There are good arguments, pro and con, in regards to the current WB, but when a vet 1 can just spam it and "oneshot" vet 16s with it, that is just BAD design. It's an easy button, a crutch.
And before you even try to argue, no. Just no. Dodging it is way more difficult than you make it to be. The cast time is too short to walk through the enemy, who also backs up. The first WB can be combined with sneak and cloak for an easy "oneshot". And overall, with the insane amount of lag and effects on the screen, you just can't keep in control that easily. WB offers way too much reward for way too few risks.

Here's what, imo, should happen:
1. Longer cast time. 0.8 is too short on the screen to react. At least 1.1 seems appropriate.
2. Remove cc effects. It got removed for Flame Lash, there is no valid justification for WB to still have it. Make it the move people claim it to be in their defenses of it: a dps move.
3. Tweak the damage in accordance to other dps moves. There is absolutely zero reason WB is allowed to VASTLY out-dps my Flame Lash. Maybe the new cp mitigation for physical damage will help, but I feel like Wrecking Blow's innate damage is the problem.

I can see where this can be an issue. I've always been the kind of player to avoid cheap tactics, because I love challenges. I avoid "easy buttons", but with that said... I was hit by WB once. It tickled. With my Magicka Sorcerer and how high my shields go, there's nothing that WB can do to me. I will just streak through the attacker and drop them. They come at me again? I streak through them, while hitting them with Crystal Frag. There's counters to everything, just gotta find them.

Wait until you find a half decent wb spammer, imov pots means 2-3 wb your dead ^^.

Stigant

^^
this

M_TeK_9

Stigant wrote: »

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Armor abilities.

Stun

Block

Shields

Physical Resistance

These are all things that will prevent you from being owned by a skill everyone is able to utilize. Stop copying scrub builds off of people who make videos and convince you they're good and instead customize your own build to counter the things that kill you. Bone shield returns 33% damage to melee attackers. Try it. All of you Deltia nutloving scrubs with single attribute builds and high spell/weapon damage but no proper defenses on your bars get one shotted and wonder why. I can think of 20 ways to beat WB.

Most useful combo or similar to - Breakout, stun or knockdown, DoT, self buff, enemy debuff, Burst x 2, execute

DUDE ... you might wanna tune that tone down a bit ...
1. noone likes to be patronized like you do
2. Have some respect ... Deltia (even thought I m not a big fan of his builds) actually does a good job presenting functionall build to less experienced and cassuall players
3. I (and lot of us here) have been playing this game since beta and early access ... I can usually deal with WB spammer 1v1 more or less successfully same as I ve been using WB in few of my own builds and trust me when I tell you, given all the mechanics in place, including those broken ones it needs some tuning down. There is a reason when 90% of stambuilds out there are playing "one-button-wonder" WB spam build and it's certainly not because its weak and everyone wants to be challenged

I might not want to actually. All I ever see is complaining here and it's ridiculous.
1. They must if the solution to their problems is readily available yet people still post and complain.
2. Respect for what? A dude filling newcombers' heads with build ideas that are half-ass? The majority of the sets in this game are under utilized because the videos he makes are diminishing people to one build zombies. People need to experiment themselves and find builds that suite their own approach in the game
3. 90% of stam builds aren't using WB. It's more like 50% steel tornado, 15% lethal arrow, 25% Crystal Frags, 10% WB and 75% of everyone uses cloak. The people who use WB are mostly classes who lack executions and burst damage which is understandable and acceptable.


The cold hard truth is if you cant counter, avoid, stop or eat at the very minimum 3 WB's it means your build isn't sufficient for PVP. Up your resistances, change your glyphs, craft with crit resistance and build so you do not die in 3 seconds.

If you've ever been in a dueling tournament it's actually very rare you see a WB spammer.

leepalmer wrote:

Lol, bone shield xD

Yep. As a DK I mix it with volitile armor and watch WB users burn their own life with their own attacks.

leepalmer95

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Stigant wrote: »

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Armor abilities.

Stun

Block

Shields

Physical Resistance

These are all things that will prevent you from being owned by a skill everyone is able to utilize. Stop copying scrub builds off of people who make videos and convince you they're good and instead customize your own build to counter the things that kill you. Bone shield returns 33% damage to melee attackers. Try it. All of you Deltia nutloving scrubs with single attribute builds and high spell/weapon damage but no proper defenses on your bars get one shotted and wonder why. I can think of 20 ways to beat WB.

Most useful combo or similar to - Breakout, stun or knockdown, DoT, self buff, enemy debuff, Burst x 2, execute

DUDE ... you might wanna tune that tone down a bit ...
1. noone likes to be patronized like you do
2. Have some respect ... Deltia (even thought I m not a big fan of his builds) actually does a good job presenting functionall build to less experienced and cassuall players
3. I (and lot of us here) have been playing this game since beta and early access ... I can usually deal with WB spammer 1v1 more or less successfully same as I ve been using WB in few of my own builds and trust me when I tell you, given all the mechanics in place, including those broken ones it needs some tuning down. There is a reason when 90% of stambuilds out there are playing "one-button-wonder" WB spam build and it's certainly not because its weak and everyone wants to be challenged

I might not want to actually. All I ever see is complaining here and it's ridiculous.
1. They must if the solution to their problems is readily available yet people still post and complain.
2. Respect for what? A dude filling newcombers' heads with build ideas that are half-ass? The majority of the sets in this game are under utilized because the videos he makes are diminishing people to one build zombies. People need to experiment themselves and find builds that suite their own approach in the game
3. 90% of stam builds aren't using WB. It's more like 50% steel tornado, 15% lethal arrow, 25% Crystal Frags, 10% WB and 75% of everyone uses cloak. The people who use WB are mostly classes who lack executions and burst damage which is understandable and acceptable.


The cold hard truth is if you cant counter, avoid, stop or eat at the very minimum 3 WB's it means your build isn't sufficient for PVP. Up your resistances, change your glyphs, craft with crit resistance and build so you do not die in 3 seconds.

If you've ever been in a dueling tournament it's actually very rare you see a WB spammer.

leepalmer wrote:

Lol, bone shield xD

Yep. As a DK I mix it with volitile armor and watch WB users burn their own life with their own attacks.

Hahaha where you pulling these facts from xD

90% of stam users don't use it lol... stop lying.

The cold hard truth is that it's op and people like you who use bone shield think they are good when you do die to it, seems like it would work against some random new player but anyone with a bit of time in pvp with imov pots etc.. will end you.

Resistances are pretty much useless in pvp, too much penetration about.
Crit resist can only get so far.

Stop defending a broken skill the range and cc is broken.

Stigant

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

I might not want to actually. All I ever see is complaining here and it's ridiculous.

True, Why would I even assume that, being selfrighteous obnoxious dck wourks for you quite well

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

2. Respect for what? A dude filling newcombers' heads with build ideas that are half-ass? The majority of the sets in this game are under utilized because the videos he makes are diminishing people to one build zombies. People need to experiment themselves and find builds that suite their own approach in the game

Have it ever occured to you that there are people among us that don't have the time to inves in theory crafting and switching gear and just want to pick up some "semi-functional" build and go .. for their couple hours a week?

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

3. 90% of stam builds aren't using WB. It's more like 50% steel tornado, 15% lethal arrow, 25% Crystal Frags, 10% WB and 75% of everyone uses cloak. The people who use WB are mostly classes who lack executions and burst damage which is understandable and acceptable.

Havent ever seen Stambuild using Frags so I really doubt there is 25% of those .. LOL

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

The cold hard truth is if you cant counter, avoid, stop or eat at the very minimum 3 WB's it means your build isn't sufficient for PVP. Up your resistances, change your glyphs, craft with crit resistance and build so you do not die in 3 seconds.

If you've ever been in a dueling tournament it's actually very rare you see a WB spammer.

leepalmer wrote:

Lol, bone shield xD

Yep. As a DK I mix it with volitile armor and watch WB users burn their own life with their own attacks.

Dude do you even PvP in this game? you list Boneshield and Volatile armor as a counter to WB? Volatile Armor does fixed damage based on casters Magicka and Boneshield gives back 33% of damage it absorbs .. do your math .. you wouldn't even say this nonsense if you had known what are you talking about (battlespirit cuts your shield in half and your "reactive" damage in half again) ...

"watch WB users burn their own life with their own attacks" ... it negates their Health regen at best

Dueling is a different story , its a 1v1 in controlled enviroment where everyone is build for this one purpose... its not OW PvP or AvA. You dont get Sneak WB there

The problem isnt countering WB, the problem is risk/reward/cost ratio of WB vs. cost of any possible real defenses and counters to WB spam

If WB spammer pops immovability pot he gets off at least 3 WB's without possibility to be stunned, and if he moves and possitions himself half-decently you will non be able to "walk trought" him as lot of people here suggest. (I know I did use WB a lot)

Blocking it costs you also the next stamina regen tick on top of the cost of blocking it (if timd perfectly) not to mention you also get to block the HA charged during the WB animation

I could go on and on ... I don't even know why am I trying.. cause you obviously got your opinion already

M_TeK_9

leepalmer95 wrote: »

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Stigant wrote: »

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Armor abilities.

Stun

Block

Shields

Physical Resistance

These are all things that will prevent you from being owned by a skill everyone is able to utilize. Stop copying scrub builds off of people who make videos and convince you they're good and instead customize your own build to counter the things that kill you. Bone shield returns 33% damage to melee attackers. Try it. All of you Deltia nutloving scrubs with single attribute builds and high spell/weapon damage but no proper defenses on your bars get one shotted and wonder why. I can think of 20 ways to beat WB.

Most useful combo or similar to - Breakout, stun or knockdown, DoT, self buff, enemy debuff, Burst x 2, execute

DUDE ... you might wanna tune that tone down a bit ...
1. noone likes to be patronized like you do
2. Have some respect ... Deltia (even thought I m not a big fan of his builds) actually does a good job presenting functionall build to less experienced and cassuall players
3. I (and lot of us here) have been playing this game since beta and early access ... I can usually deal with WB spammer 1v1 more or less successfully same as I ve been using WB in few of my own builds and trust me when I tell you, given all the mechanics in place, including those broken ones it needs some tuning down. There is a reason when 90% of stambuilds out there are playing "one-button-wonder" WB spam build and it's certainly not because its weak and everyone wants to be challenged

I might not want to actually. All I ever see is complaining here and it's ridiculous.
1. They must if the solution to their problems is readily available yet people still post and complain.
2. Respect for what? A dude filling newcombers' heads with build ideas that are half-ass? The majority of the sets in this game are under utilized because the videos he makes are diminishing people to one build zombies. People need to experiment themselves and find builds that suite their own approach in the game
3. 90% of stam builds aren't using WB. It's more like 50% steel tornado, 15% lethal arrow, 25% Crystal Frags, 10% WB and 75% of everyone uses cloak. The people who use WB are mostly classes who lack executions and burst damage which is understandable and acceptable.


The cold hard truth is if you cant counter, avoid, stop or eat at the very minimum 3 WB's it means your build isn't sufficient for PVP. Up your resistances, change your glyphs, craft with crit resistance and build so you do not die in 3 seconds.

If you've ever been in a dueling tournament it's actually very rare you see a WB spammer.

leepalmer wrote:

Lol, bone shield xD

Yep. As a DK I mix it with volitile armor and watch WB users burn their own life with their own attacks.

Hahaha where you pulling these facts from xD

90% of stam users don't use it lol... stop lying.

The cold hard truth is that it's op and people like you who use bone shield think they are good when you do die to it, seems like it would work against some random new player but anyone with a bit of time in pvp with imov pots etc.. will end you.

Resistances are pretty much useless in pvp, too much penetration about.
Crit resist can only get so far.

Stop defending a broken skill the range and cc is broken.

You're just upset and butthurt that a vr 1 using WB kills your VR 16 7k physical resistance sorc. lol.

I die to WB users who deserve to beat me because their builds are carefully crafted for PvP and they can avoid my attacks. Come try me. NA Ps4 EbonHeart pact. Make a WB spam build and duel me.

Stigant wrote: »

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

I might not want to actually. All I ever see is complaining here and it's ridiculous.

True, Why would I even assume that, being selfrighteous obnoxious dck wourks for you quite well

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

2. Respect for what? A dude filling newcombers' heads with build ideas that are half-ass? The majority of the sets in this game are under utilized because the videos he makes are diminishing people to one build zombies. People need to experiment themselves and find builds that suite their own approach in the game

Have it ever occured to you that there are people among us that don't have the time to inves in theory crafting and switching gear and just want to pick up some "semi-functional" build and go .. for their couple hours a week?

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

3. 90% of stam builds aren't using WB. It's more like 50% steel tornado, 15% lethal arrow, 25% Crystal Frags, 10% WB and 75% of everyone uses cloak. The people who use WB are mostly classes who lack executions and burst damage which is understandable and acceptable.

Havent ever seen Stambuild using Frags so I really doubt there is 25% of those .. LOL

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

The cold hard truth is if you cant counter, avoid, stop or eat at the very minimum 3 WB's it means your build isn't sufficient for PVP. Up your resistances, change your glyphs, craft with crit resistance and build so you do not die in 3 seconds.

If you've ever been in a dueling tournament it's actually very rare you see a WB spammer.

leepalmer wrote:

Lol, bone shield xD

Yep. As a DK I mix it with volitile armor and watch WB users burn their own life with their own attacks.

Dude do you even PvP in this game? you list Boneshield and Volatile armor as a counter to WB? Volatile Armor does fixed damage based on casters Magicka and Boneshield gives back 33% of damage it absorbs .. do your math .. you wouldn't even say this nonsense if you had known what are you talking about (battlespirit cuts your shield in half and your "reactive" damage in half again) ...

"watch WB users burn their own life with their own attacks" ... it negates their Health regen at best

Dueling is a different story , its a 1v1 in controlled enviroment where everyone is build for this one purpose... its not OW PvP or AvA. You dont get Sneak WB there

The problem isnt countering WB, the problem is risk/reward/cost ratio of WB vs. cost of any possible real defenses and counters to WB spam

If WB spammer pops immovability pot he gets off at least 3 WB's without possibility to be stunned, and if he moves and possitions himself half-decently you will non be able to "walk trought" him as lot of people here suggest. (I know I did use WB a lot)

Blocking it costs you also the next stamina regen tick on top of the cost of blocking it (if timd perfectly) not to mention you also get to block the HA charged during the WB animation

I could go on and on ... I don't even know why am I trying.. cause you obviously got your opinion already

I'll address your points in order

-lol thanks

- This game requires time. Don't have it? Don't complain.

-It was an exaggeration of the over use of CF. lol right over your head...

-With sufficient life and resistances Boneshield acts as a passive dmg return while I barely feel the attack. Do you even PvP?

-If you want to talk about zerg wars it requires group abilities and aoe. The subject at hand is how to avoid a WB spammer which sounds like 1v1 to me. And yes, NB's get sneak WB with cloak spam

-Talons

Honestly WB spammers aren't a threat to me and you guys really just need tosuck it up and rethink your PvP approach.

leepalmer95

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Stigant wrote: »

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

Armor abilities.

Stun

Block

Shields

Physical Resistance

These are all things that will prevent you from being owned by a skill everyone is able to utilize. Stop copying scrub builds off of people who make videos and convince you they're good and instead customize your own build to counter the things that kill you. Bone shield returns 33% damage to melee attackers. Try it. All of you Deltia nutloving scrubs with single attribute builds and high spell/weapon damage but no proper defenses on your bars get one shotted and wonder why. I can think of 20 ways to beat WB.

Most useful combo or similar to - Breakout, stun or knockdown, DoT, self buff, enemy debuff, Burst x 2, execute

DUDE ... you might wanna tune that tone down a bit ...
1. noone likes to be patronized like you do
2. Have some respect ... Deltia (even thought I m not a big fan of his builds) actually does a good job presenting functionall build to less experienced and cassuall players
3. I (and lot of us here) have been playing this game since beta and early access ... I can usually deal with WB spammer 1v1 more or less successfully same as I ve been using WB in few of my own builds and trust me when I tell you, given all the mechanics in place, including those broken ones it needs some tuning down. There is a reason when 90% of stambuilds out there are playing "one-button-wonder" WB spam build and it's certainly not because its weak and everyone wants to be challenged

I might not want to actually. All I ever see is complaining here and it's ridiculous.
1. They must if the solution to their problems is readily available yet people still post and complain.
2. Respect for what? A dude filling newcombers' heads with build ideas that are half-ass? The majority of the sets in this game are under utilized because the videos he makes are diminishing people to one build zombies. People need to experiment themselves and find builds that suite their own approach in the game
3. 90% of stam builds aren't using WB. It's more like 50% steel tornado, 15% lethal arrow, 25% Crystal Frags, 10% WB and 75% of everyone uses cloak. The people who use WB are mostly classes who lack executions and burst damage which is understandable and acceptable.


The cold hard truth is if you cant counter, avoid, stop or eat at the very minimum 3 WB's it means your build isn't sufficient for PVP. Up your resistances, change your glyphs, craft with crit resistance and build so you do not die in 3 seconds.

If you've ever been in a dueling tournament it's actually very rare you see a WB spammer.

leepalmer wrote:

Lol, bone shield xD

Yep. As a DK I mix it with volitile armor and watch WB users burn their own life with their own attacks.

Hahaha where you pulling these facts from xD

90% of stam users don't use it lol... stop lying.

The cold hard truth is that it's op and people like you who use bone shield think they are good when you do die to it, seems like it would work against some random new player but anyone with a bit of time in pvp with imov pots etc.. will end you.

Resistances are pretty much useless in pvp, too much penetration about.
Crit resist can only get so far.

Stop defending a broken skill the range and cc is broken.

You're just upset and butthurt that a vr 1 using WB kills your VR 16 7k physical resistance sorc. lol.

I die to WB users who deserve to beat me because their builds are carefully crafted for PvP and they can avoid my attacks. Come try me. NA Ps4 EbonHeart pact. Make a WB spam build and duel me.

Stigant wrote: »

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

I might not want to actually. All I ever see is complaining here and it's ridiculous.

True, Why would I even assume that, being selfrighteous obnoxious dck wourks for you quite well

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

2. Respect for what? A dude filling newcombers' heads with build ideas that are half-ass? The majority of the sets in this game are under utilized because the videos he makes are diminishing people to one build zombies. People need to experiment themselves and find builds that suite their own approach in the game

Have it ever occured to you that there are people among us that don't have the time to inves in theory crafting and switching gear and just want to pick up some "semi-functional" build and go .. for their couple hours a week?

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

3. 90% of stam builds aren't using WB. It's more like 50% steel tornado, 15% lethal arrow, 25% Crystal Frags, 10% WB and 75% of everyone uses cloak. The people who use WB are mostly classes who lack executions and burst damage which is understandable and acceptable.

Havent ever seen Stambuild using Frags so I really doubt there is 25% of those .. LOL

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

The cold hard truth is if you cant counter, avoid, stop or eat at the very minimum 3 WB's it means your build isn't sufficient for PVP. Up your resistances, change your glyphs, craft with crit resistance and build so you do not die in 3 seconds.

If you've ever been in a dueling tournament it's actually very rare you see a WB spammer.

leepalmer wrote:

Lol, bone shield xD

Yep. As a DK I mix it with volitile armor and watch WB users burn their own life with their own attacks.

Dude do you even PvP in this game? you list Boneshield and Volatile armor as a counter to WB? Volatile Armor does fixed damage based on casters Magicka and Boneshield gives back 33% of damage it absorbs .. do your math .. you wouldn't even say this nonsense if you had known what are you talking about (battlespirit cuts your shield in half and your "reactive" damage in half again) ...

"watch WB users burn their own life with their own attacks" ... it negates their Health regen at best

Dueling is a different story , its a 1v1 in controlled enviroment where everyone is build for this one purpose... its not OW PvP or AvA. You dont get Sneak WB there

The problem isnt countering WB, the problem is risk/reward/cost ratio of WB vs. cost of any possible real defenses and counters to WB spam

If WB spammer pops immovability pot he gets off at least 3 WB's without possibility to be stunned, and if he moves and possitions himself half-decently you will non be able to "walk trought" him as lot of people here suggest. (I know I did use WB a lot)

Blocking it costs you also the next stamina regen tick on top of the cost of blocking it (if timd perfectly) not to mention you also get to block the HA charged during the WB animation

I could go on and on ... I don't even know why am I trying.. cause you obviously got your opinion already

I'll address your points in order

-lol thanks

- This game requires time. Don't have it? Don't complain.

-It was an exaggeration of the over use of CF. lol right over your head...

-With sufficient life and resistances Boneshield acts as a passive dmg return while I barely feel the attack. Do you even PvP?

-If you want to talk about zerg wars it requires group abilities and aoe. The subject at hand is how to avoid a WB spammer which sounds like 1v1 to me. And yes, NB's get sneak WB with cloak spam

-Talons

Honestly WB spammers aren't a threat to me and you guys really just need tosuck it up and rethink your PvP approach.

They don't kill me its the fact it's broken which is annoying the cc and the range.

Honestly you sound like an easy kill, too bad were on different servers ps4 eu.

Sharee

Stigant wrote: »

My yesterdays story in Trueflame EU Imperial city, 1v1 against DK

I get Fosilized, I Break free while he's setting up his WB, I Block WB, my stamina goes down when I blocked the damage but I still get CCed (While blocking and with CC imunity from breaking free Fosilize stun), I break free again while flying only to get hit by yet another WB in the air, during the break free animation I eat yup that WB my HP is at half and I'm out of stamina ... on a Stam build ... and I fall down on my back stuned ... and this guy just keeps spamming WB's poping Immovability pots and Immovable skill in between ...

Until you can show the above on a video, i will consider it a fairy tale.

Whatever else might be wrong with wrecking blow, it does respect a running CC immunity.
Since early access, i never experienced nor was i shown someone being CC-ed while having CC immunity running.

Yes, there are problems with the automatic, 5-second CC immunity you are supposed to get from wrecking blow if you do not CC-break(it gets applied too late and you can eat 2 WB's in a row), but please let's not blow the issue out of proportions.

LegacyDM

FENGRUSH wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this wrecking blow is the hardest hitting than even magicka. it keeps you on the ground and unable to move.
the only people defending it here in this thread are people that use it on a constant basis.
the developers removed the damage chat box so you cant see the true damage of skills.
it's now obvious to me why we do not have a built in damage chat box showing how much damage we recieve.
eso is not balanced.

Actually an empowered frag will hit harder than a WB - but its really not single skill damage that matters, its burst windows. As far as burst windows go - WB doesnt really put out the highest, or the most dangerous burst window. Theres better options, and the strongest ones revolve around magicka burst because of detonate (which is hopefully fixed properly this coming patch).

CyrusArya wrote: »

The main problem with Wrecking Blow is the broken CC system which this skill seems to exploit the most. Fix the double CC, and possibly remove the empower buff. That's all that needs to be done. What you're suggesting is 3 massive and over the top nerfs. Nerf the baseline damage and you not only jeopardize the PvE DPS for this skill and an entire play-style, but also every class that relies on this skill for DPS due to a lack of options.

Wanna nerf WB? Fine. Give DK and Sorc a strong stamina dps skill and you can have your nerf.

Seriously tho, WB spam is only an issue for bad players. Every class has built in ways to counter this skill, and a good player can render WB largely obsolete. Just don't be a potato that sits there and eats the WBs without applying any pressure or CC back.

This post is pretty on point. No offense to people posting - but the bolded part is mostly correct. This can be fought against by most classes pretty effectively.

No offense fengrush but I've watched your streams. All you do is wb and bolt. Wb and bolt. Wb and bolt. Your biased because this is your main damage dealiqtng rotation. In between, your holding down shift to use Orc speed with cp windrunmer passive so that you can wb and bolt more. This skill is op and you know it. Defending it so that you can continue to use your op rotation is poor taste.

Stigant

Sharee wrote: »

Stigant wrote: »

My yesterdays story in Trueflame EU Imperial city, 1v1 against DK

I get Fosilized, I Break free while he's setting up his WB, I Block WB, my stamina goes down when I blocked the damage but I still get CCed (While blocking and with CC imunity from breaking free Fosilize stun), I break free again while flying only to get hit by yet another WB in the air, during the break free animation I eat yup that WB my HP is at half and I'm out of stamina ... on a Stam build ... and I fall down on my back stuned ... and this guy just keeps spamming WB's poping Immovability pots and Immovable skill in between ...

Until you can show the above on a video, i will consider it a fairy tale.

Whatever else might be wrong with wrecking blow, it does respect a running CC immunity.
Since early access, i never experienced nor was i shown someone being CC-ed while having CC immunity running.

Yes, there are problems with the automatic, 5-second CC immunity you are supposed to get from wrecking blow if you do not CC-break(it gets applied too late and you can eat 2 WB's in a row), but please let's not blow the issue out of proportions.

Consider it whatever you want ... I don't care about your considerations ... and I have certainly didn't make this up ... the CC imunity and its aplication is broken .. when you get hit during the breakfree animation or shortly after, you get CCed again ... WB and Reverb Bash do it quite consistently... seems to do so especially when you gain the imunity after the WB was activated but before it conects ... Did some testing today, but because our awesome lagspikes in cyro, nothing solid came out of it ... but seems to be the case

Sharee

Stigant wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Stigant wrote: »

My yesterdays story in Trueflame EU Imperial city, 1v1 against DK

I get Fosilized, I Break free while he's setting up his WB, I Block WB, my stamina goes down when I blocked the damage but I still get CCed (While blocking and with CC imunity from breaking free Fosilize stun), I break free again while flying only to get hit by yet another WB in the air, during the break free animation I eat yup that WB my HP is at half and I'm out of stamina ... on a Stam build ... and I fall down on my back stuned ... and this guy just keeps spamming WB's poping Immovability pots and Immovable skill in between ...

Until you can show the above on a video, i will consider it a fairy tale.

Whatever else might be wrong with wrecking blow, it does respect a running CC immunity.
Since early access, i never experienced nor was i shown someone being CC-ed while having CC immunity running.

Yes, there are problems with the automatic, 5-second CC immunity you are supposed to get from wrecking blow if you do not CC-break(it gets applied too late and you can eat 2 WB's in a row), but please let's not blow the issue out of proportions.

Consider it whatever you want ... I don't care about your considerations ... and I have certainly didn't make this up ... the CC imunity and its aplication is broken .. when you get hit during the breakfree animation or shortly after, you get CCed again ... WB and Reverb Bash do it quite consistently... seems to do so especially when you gain the imunity after the WB was activated but before it conects ... Did some testing today, but because our awesome lagspikes in cyro, nothing solid came out of it ... but seems to be the case

Do some testing, capture it on video, watch the video closely. You will find that once you have immunity running (white swirls under your feet), you will be unaffected by CC.

What is broken is that sometimes you are supposed to get CC immunity automatically (after you let some CC expire), and you will get it, but too late. Most often this happens with wrecking blow - you get hit by first WB, land on your ass, start getting up, get hit by second WB and only then you get CC immunity from the first WB(too late, you are lying on the floor with immunity running - this makes people think they got CC-ed through immunity, but they didnt, they got CC-ed while they did not have immunity and the immunity swirls were applied only after the second CC happened).

But if you CC break the first WB while still flying through the air(instead of waiting for automatic immunity), you get the swirls as you should and second WB will not CC you.

Alucardo

Change well-fitted trait into Wrecking blow resistance. I just fixed a useless trait and saved the game. You're welcome ESO.

LegacyDM

Alucardo wrote: »

Change well-fitted trait into Wrecking blow resistance. I just fixed a useless trait and saved the game. You're welcome ESO.

You change the well-fitted trait you just ruined all the builds that went Orc - windrunner.

FENGRUSH

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this wrecking blow is the hardest hitting than even magicka. it keeps you on the ground and unable to move.
the only people defending it here in this thread are people that use it on a constant basis.
the developers removed the damage chat box so you cant see the true damage of skills.
it's now obvious to me why we do not have a built in damage chat box showing how much damage we recieve.
eso is not balanced.

Actually an empowered frag will hit harder than a WB - but its really not single skill damage that matters, its burst windows. As far as burst windows go - WB doesnt really put out the highest, or the most dangerous burst window. Theres better options, and the strongest ones revolve around magicka burst because of detonate (which is hopefully fixed properly this coming patch).

CyrusArya wrote: »

The main problem with Wrecking Blow is the broken CC system which this skill seems to exploit the most. Fix the double CC, and possibly remove the empower buff. That's all that needs to be done. What you're suggesting is 3 massive and over the top nerfs. Nerf the baseline damage and you not only jeopardize the PvE DPS for this skill and an entire play-style, but also every class that relies on this skill for DPS due to a lack of options.

Wanna nerf WB? Fine. Give DK and Sorc a strong stamina dps skill and you can have your nerf.

Seriously tho, WB spam is only an issue for bad players. Every class has built in ways to counter this skill, and a good player can render WB largely obsolete. Just don't be a potato that sits there and eats the WBs without applying any pressure or CC back.

This post is pretty on point. No offense to people posting - but the bolded part is mostly correct. This can be fought against by most classes pretty effectively.

No offense fengrush but I've watched your streams. All you do is wb and bolt. Wb and bolt. Wb and bolt. Your biased because this is your main damage dealiqtng rotation. In between, your holding down shift to use Orc speed with cp windrunmer passive so that you can wb and bolt more. This skill is op and you know it. Defending it so that you can continue to use your op rotation is poor taste.

WB is the best stam option for bursting out in open field. You need to address stam weapon options when making changes to the only viable setup for some chars.

Either way - you didnt even really comment on the post. You just quoted me and said I cant defend this because I use it. I fight people using WB al

MikeB wrote: »

Greyhame wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

It kills me that people can defend WB with a strait face. Can it be dodged? Yes. When you're not getting WB'd from someone in stealth thats 7 meters away from you. The range needs to be cut in half and the CC removed. The only ability that is similar to WB is Ambush, which does half the damage, only immobilizes (not stunned, you can still act) for 1second versus WB's Knocked back AND stunned for 3.5 seconds and both do empower. The only benefit Ambush has over WB is it has a 22 meter range vs WB's 7m range. I'd take WB over Ambush every time if I had to choose one or the other, its a no brainer. Does that really sound balanced? If you say yes you're just fanboying WB.

Did you just say that you would take WB over Ambush every time? I find that hard to believe. Ambush is amazing. I run 2h/bow and my spammable attack is sneak attack most of the time. WB is only useful when you are fighting people that don't know what they are doing. All the people complaining about how OP it is don't know what they are doing. Complaining about WB out of stealth? A charged heavy into a sneak attack from stealth does more damage it just takes a little timing.

So, we have our first fanboy. As someone who has over 50 hours in PvP in ESO, was a Grand Marshall and earned every Gladiator title up to season 8 in WoW I'd say I know what I'm doing. ESO is far from being a balanced PvP experience and until they can learn from others failures it never will be. Not until they separate how abilities perform and act in PvP versus PvE it will never be balanced. There are several videos showing how WB is broken that has nothing to do with its ridiculous range for a melee ability, empower, knock back and stun. Just saying Ambush is better than WB shows how unfamiliar you are with the skill, you shun it over ambush due to the stigma the ability has.

Bro you are comparing a gap closer to a DPS skill. NB can weave ambush and surprise attack faster than a WB goes off and do more damage. You might as well compare crit rush to bombard.

Waffennacht wrote: »

I really hate it when people say Frag is anywhere near the same as Wrecking Blow, similar at most.

Frag has a hard cast that cannot be animation cancelled or have a heavy attack too.

Frag has at most Half the CC time

In order to receive any damage bonus you Must use a DIFFERENT move and only then have 35% chance to proc.

Frags can be interrupted when hard cast.

Frags has a severely lower damage, those 16k Frags would easily be 24k WBs.

Then we could go into how armors/passives/and game mechanics all favor stamina builds and have the game's best non templar heal.

We could go into how you can consistently use the CC bug only with WBs or NBs...

You can say how WB will far more consistently hit target rather than Frag

So please don't even try and say Sorcs have anything like the pure awesomeness that is Wrrrrreecccckkkkkinnnggg BLLLLOOOOWWWWWWWWW

A magicka sorc will manhandle people WB spamming 1v1. If youre not - you need to revisit the skills on your bar.

Waffennacht

I read through these, trying to keep my magicka bias out of it as much as possible.

My first opinion is quite honestly I think Wrecking Blow would receive far less scrutiny if there was consistent CC immunity. The bug absolutely makes WB OP, either done intentionally or not, if CC immunity bugs out once it means absolute catastrophe for any non stamina build. Not only do you not receive the dire needed immunity, you lose the stam resource preventing a possibly successful CC immunity.

Second, the bash proposals. I do not see how this would improve or hinder either the WB user or defender.

If im to believe WB users, then an effective way to combat WB is walking into the caster. Well if im close enough to walk into my opponent then I am close enough to bash them, and walking into them costs less stamina...

MrGigglypants

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

why isnt this being looked at by the developers?

Because it's fine

DaveMoeDee

danno8 wrote: »

xAPxZeez wrote: »

Boo hoo someone has a move and I don't like it. Suck it up and learn how to avoid or counter it like everyone else. Dark flare is regularly hitting me for 9-11k, so does overload, frags and numberous other moves.

You WILL DIE IN PVP everyone does. Stop all the nerfing and test these proposed changes better before implimentating them so they don't have to be continuously adjusted on the fly.

Now imagine if Overload had a 4.5 second CC attached to it, so the next one is a guaranteed hit.

Imagine Dark Flare having a 4.5 second CC, so the second one is guarantee hit.

Frags does have a (shorter) CC, but generally doesn't hit as hard due to CP's. Also to get the 20% bonus you have to use other spells for the proc, so using 2 CF's back to back is not as strong as 2 WB's.

WB just has everything except range, which hardly matters in a game with spammable gap closers and questionable distance calculations.

I'm confused. When I get hit with wrecking blow, I just hit my two mouse buttons and carry on. There is no guarantee of a second hit with WB. Am I missing something?

Do people lack the stamina? If you don't have the Stamina to do that, you made your choice in your build. The choices you made in your build determined what you would be vulnerable to and what you would easily withstand. Perhaps you don't do garbage DPS like my DK, but WB has never been a problem for me. I die a lot when I PvP, and that is rarely in the recap screen.

Or maybe I'm just forgetting how WB works.