Over 160 cp Post VR Removal

D0ntevenL1ft

Has there been any information on CP with people with 300+? Will i go down to 160 post update (proposed possible v16) or is there no information released on said topic?

Malmai

Soon you will start with level vr16 chars just because people dont want to play this game and level.

wayfarerx

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Has there been any information on CP with people with 300+? Will i go down to 160 post update (proposed possible v16) or is there no information released on said topic?

They will not be taking CP or attributes or skill points away, they have said this multiple times.

The only thing I am worried about is if they put the VR attribute points and skill points behind a character-specific CP achievement. So if I have my 2 v16s and am at or above the CP cap, leveling other alts through a 160 CP point achievement will be very painful seeing as the XP required for CP after cap is so much higher than normal.

UrQuan

Nobody is losing any CP. There aren't a lot of details released, but from what i understand the 160 CP = VR16 thing is meant to be a basis for what gear a character can use. So gear that today requires you to be VR16 to use will in the future require you to have 160 CPs to use. And I don't think the numbers on that are final at all - I think those are just the numbers they used for illustrative purposes.

D0ntevenL1ft

Thanks all and yes i realize nothing is finalized

TotterTates

You will not lose CP.

If they do anything, it will most likely be a straight conversion of VR to CP (which I don't see a reason for). Each VR is equivalent to 850k exp, so in a straight conversion you would get 850k exp toward your CP per VR rank of your highest level character.

The amount of CP you gain from this conversion will depend on your CP at the time due to the scaling of exp needed per CP.

Divinius

From this thread...

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

A little context here before this gets too out of hand…

1. We’re still working on the system – nothing is finalized. (which is why we’re not really talking much about it yet)
2. The intention is that once you hit 50, champion points take over. Veteran Ranks are completely removed.
3. When Veteran Ranks are removed, we will convert any Veteran Ranks on your highest character into CP.
4. To get a rough idea of balance - think of 10CP = 1 VR. (so 160 CP will roughly = VR16)

Additional Details:

• We’re planning on giving 2.5 CP for every VR level you’ve earned on your highest level character. (40 for a VR16 character)
• When the conversion happens, any player with CP less than their old veteran rank * 10 will instead be given enough CP such that their total is VR * 10. For example: A player is VR14 with 75 CP, they will be given 65 CP (140-75) instead of 40, so that they can still equip any gear they may have.
• We will make sure the 16 attribute picks you got from VR1 to VR16 will carry over. (current plan is an achievement that goes up in 10 CP increments until 160)

Keep in mind that none of the stuff above is 100% locked in. We're still implementing the feature - things are subject to change. It's important that everyone understands they are not suddenly going to have to have 501 CP in order to equip the top level gear. We will introduce new gear, with higher CP requirements sometime in the future, but we won't be making huge jumps. (i.e. - we won't go from 160 to 400 suddenly)

Once we finalize the system and lock in more of the details, we will discuss things in more detail and answer questions.

Solariken

Malmai wrote: »

Soon you will start with level vr16 chars just because people dont want to play this game and level.

For me, mindlessly grinding out vet ranks 4+ times does not constitute "playing" this game. It's a boring chore, vet rank removal is great for the game.

Korah_Eaglecry

Malmai wrote: »

Soon you will start with level vr16 chars just because people dont want to play this game and level.

You really have a way with twisting the truth.

Egonieser

Solariken wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Soon you will start with level vr16 chars just because people dont want to play this game and level.

For me, mindlessly grinding out vet ranks 4+ times does not constitute "playing" this game. It's a boring chore, vet rank removal is great for the game.

Amen to that. Sadly... I already grinded 4 chars and my main from the times where each VR was millionS of XP not 850k like it is now. People nowadays don't realise how easy it is for them.

Asherons_Call

Will we still be able to use CP that we've gained on all characters on our account?

DaveMoeDee

wayfarerx wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Has there been any information on CP with people with 300+? Will i go down to 160 post update (proposed possible v16) or is there no information released on said topic?

They will not be taking CP or attributes or skill points away, they have said this multiple times.

The only thing I am worried about is if they put the VR attribute points and skill points behind a character-specific CP achievement. So if I have my 2 v16s and am at or above the CP cap, leveling other alts through a 160 CP point achievement will be very painful seeing as the XP required for CP after cap is so much higher than normal.

That would have to be 15 achievements, something I would be surprised to see implemented. It will be interesting to see how they hand out those 15 attribute and 15 skill points. Will they distribute them to levels 1-50? Will they give them all when you hit level 50, assuming you already have 160 CP?

Are you sure that it takes more XP to get to 160 CP than to vr16? With the catch up, the XP is actually much less to get to 160 CP. Perhaps you are thinking in terms of an additional 160 CP -- which would clearly not be an approach they would consider when some people may be leveling alts while already at the cap.

TalonShina

I am going to say it these threads need to stop...all it is causing on a lot of them is speculation. Yes that on post of what Rich said is the most concrete thing we have but we need to stop speculating and let them work this out.It cannot be something that is rushed it needs to be done with careful hands because doing it wrong will break the game. Right now it's not really broke so I hope they take as much time as needed and make sure it is fleshed out and them before implementing it.

Also I hope that all the VR+ gear at least can't be worn till 50 so like 50+160 CP or whatever because if they allow gear to be equipped just based solely on CP points without a small level requirement it will also kill the game.

I need them to take their time. I don't want it rushed if CP is the future of the game that is fine I am cool with that but I fear problems from removing a system that is ingrained into the game the way VR levels are. SO ZOS take your time

D0ntevenL1ft

TalonShina wrote: »

I am going to say it these threads need to stop...all it is causing on a lot of them is speculation. Yes that on post of what Rich said is the most concrete thing we have but we need to stop speculating and let them work this out.It cannot be something that is rushed it needs to be done with careful hands because doing it wrong will break the game. Right now it's not really broke so I hope they take as much time as needed and make sure it is fleshed out and them before implementing it.

Also I hope that all the VR+ gear at least can't be worn till 50 so like 50+160 CP or whatever because if they allow gear to be equipped just based solely on CP points without a small level requirement it will also kill the game.

I need them to take their time. I don't want it rushed if CP is the future of the game that is fine I am cool with that but I fear problems from removing a system that is ingrained into the game the way VR levels are. SO ZOS take your time

Well i apologize if someone has forced you to read this thread and waste your precious time replying when the only reason you did so was to create an argument.

Didgerion

Malmai wrote: »

Soon you will start with level vr16 chars just because people dont want to play this game and level.

People do want to play this game. And they want to see a healthier progression system less grind oriented.

DaveMoeDee

Egonieser wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Soon you will start with level vr16 chars just because people dont want to play this game and level.

For me, mindlessly grinding out vet ranks 4+ times does not constitute "playing" this game. It's a boring chore, vet rank removal is great for the game.

Amen to that. Sadly... I already grinded 4 chars and my main from the times where each VR was millionS of XP not 850k like it is now. People nowadays don't realise how easy it is for them.

I did vr15 & 16 under the new setup and they were each so much easier than each level vr 12-14 were. I welcome the change -- though the change will pale in comparison to the speed runs to 160 CP with the catch-up system and the initial enlightenment. I did up to v11 around PC launch, and that was a pleasure as I did it by just playing the content through Cadwell's Gold. Repeating quests was a lot less enjoyable -- especially when doing Cyrodiil PvE quests daily to level v12-16.

I enjoy leveling in general, but there comes a point where I'd rather just play a different game than do nonsense to just accumulate XP.

Didgerion

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Has there been any information on CP with people with 300+? Will i go down to 160 post update (proposed possible v16) or is there no information released on said topic?

There is a lot of information released on this topic but non of it is certain yet.
They are still working on it - everything they said might change.

D0ntevenL1ft

avid_mdb16_ESO wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Has there been any information on CP with people with 300+? Will i go down to 160 post update (proposed possible v16) or is there no information released on said topic?

There is a lot of information released on this topic but non of it is certain yet.
They are still working on it - everything they said might change.

Yes this question has been answered several times throughout the thread. Appreciate all the responses but no more are needed.

Tamanous

How vet converts to CP is a very minor concern. The big question I wish answered is how this change will actually open up the game and move it away from the linear grind path it is now.

Didgerion

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Has there been any information on CP with people with 300+? Will i go down to 160 post update (proposed possible v16) or is there no information released on said topic?

They will not be taking CP or attributes or skill points away, they have said this multiple times.

The only thing I am worried about is if they put the VR attribute points and skill points behind a character-specific CP achievement. So if I have my 2 v16s and am at or above the CP cap, leveling other alts through a 160 CP point achievement will be very painful seeing as the XP required for CP after cap is so much higher than normal.

That would have to be 15 achievements, something I would be surprised to see implemented. It will be interesting to see how they hand out those 15 attribute and 15 skill points. Will they distribute them to levels 1-50? Will they give them all when you hit level 50, assuming you already have 160 CP?

Are you sure that it takes more XP to get to 160 CP than to vr16? With the catch up, the XP is actually much less to get to 160 CP. Perhaps you are thinking in terms of an additional 160 CP -- which would clearly not be an approach they would consider when some people may be leveling alts while already at the cap.

I suppose that there will be CP based achievements that will be given only to level 50 characters. And once your alt reaches level 50 then he will be graded with 15 achievements(providing that your main got them already).

But they also might opt for removing those extra 15 skill points or that 15 attribute points altogether. And release new gear or adjust the champion system to cover the gap. Nothing is certain yet.

wayfarerx

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Perhaps you are thinking in terms of an additional 160 CP -- which would clearly not be an approach they would consider when some people may be leveling alts while already at the cap.

Yeah I was thinking an additional 160 per character since they mentioned making it an achievement and those are per character. That's why I'm hoping they ditch the achievement idea and just distribute the 15 skill and attribute points through the 1-50 leveling process.

It should take much less XP to reach your initial 160 CP rather than v16 thanks to enlightenment and the catch-up mechanic.

Didgerion

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

avid_mdb16_ESO wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Has there been any information on CP with people with 300+? Will i go down to 160 post update (proposed possible v16) or is there no information released on said topic?

There is a lot of information released on this topic but non of it is certain yet.
They are still working on it - everything they said might change.

Yes this question has been answered several times throughout the thread. Appreciate all the responses but no more are needed.

Glad you appreciate it. How's the question that's the answer.

robkrush

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Will we still be able to use CP that we've gained on all characters on our account?

Yes, CP will be account bound, not character bound. All your toons will get cp for each vet rank your highest level character has.

D0ntevenL1ft

avid_mdb16_ESO wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

avid_mdb16_ESO wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Has there been any information on CP with people with 300+? Will i go down to 160 post update (proposed possible v16) or is there no information released on said topic?

There is a lot of information released on this topic but non of it is certain yet.
They are still working on it - everything they said might change.

Yes this question has been answered several times throughout the thread. Appreciate all the responses but no more are needed.

Glad you appreciate it. How's the question that's the answer.

i completely agree

found1779

I to am wounding about this i just hope that my other 150 champion points aint taken away when they do this i have 304 as of right now and even if they aint taken away but still i can't use them to get the 300 cp gear at the beginning it will suck why should i have to wear 160 cp gear when i put the grind in to earn 300 cps thats not fair

wayfarerx

found1779 wrote: »

I to am wounding about this i just hope that my other 150 champion points aint taken away when they do this i have 304 as of right now and even if they aint taken away but still i can't use them to get the 300 cp gear at the beginning it will suck why should i have to wear 160 cp gear when i put the grind in to earn 300 cps thats not fair

Ummm, yeah... so based on what ZOS (as well as people in this thread) have said:

1. They're not going to take your CP away.
2. There will not be any CP 300 gear for a long time.
3. Punctuation is your friend.

Breathe deep, don't panic.

Mike0987

Not worried. Had well over 180 CP when I hit V16 two days ago. Play the game long enough instead of burning through quests without even listening to the dialog...

found1779

wayfarerx wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

I to am wounding about this i just hope that my other 150 champion points aint taken away when they do this i have 304 as of right now and even if they aint taken away but still i can't use them to get the 300 cp gear at the beginning it will suck why should i have to wear 160 cp gear when i put the grind in to earn 300 cps thats not fair

Ummm, yeah... so based on what ZOS (as well as people in this thread) have said:

1. They're not going to take your CP away.
2. There will not be any CP 300 gear for a long time.
3. Punctuation is your friend.

Breathe deep, don't panic.

Exactly tho there won't be any 300 cp gear for awhile so those people who have over 300 cps are getting ripped off by having to wear 160 cp gear at the beginning the amount of cps you had before vr removal is the amount of gear you should get right off the bat not have to wait for awhile that's not right

wayfarerx

found1779 wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

I to am wounding about this i just hope that my other 150 champion points aint taken away when they do this i have 304 as of right now and even if they aint taken away but still i can't use them to get the 300 cp gear at the beginning it will suck why should i have to wear 160 cp gear when i put the grind in to earn 300 cps thats not fair

Ummm, yeah... so based on what ZOS (as well as people in this thread) have said:

1. They're not going to take your CP away.
2. There will not be any CP 300 gear for a long time.
3. Punctuation is your friend.

Breathe deep, don't panic.

Exactly tho there won't be any 300 cp gear for awhile so those people who have over 300 cps are getting ripped off by having to wear 160 cp gear at the beginning the amount of cps you had before vr removal is the amount of gear you should get right off the bat not have to wait for awhile that's not right

I'm not getting your point, there is no 300 CP gear. You're not getting ripped off, you still get max-level gear just like anyone else with enough CP. I guess you want gear to scale all the way up to 501 right out of the gates? Why? One of the things I liked about ZOS's proposed plan for VR removal was that I wouldn't have to go out and regrind all my gear on day one.

infraction2008b16_ESO

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Has there been any information on CP with people with 300+? Will i go down to 160 post update (proposed possible v16) or is there no information released on said topic?

What will happen is people below 160 CP that have a VR16 character will be bumped up to CR 160 (they'll use max VR character level * 10 calculation and use that as a rock bottom baseline for converting each VR character over so a VR14 converted over will have at least 140 CP, a VR 12 will have a minimum of 120 CP, a VR3 will have a minimum of 30 CP.

As for people who exceed the baseline CP for each vet rank, we actually get given CP too. 2.5 CP a rank for your max levelled character up to a max of 40 CP for a VR16

So if you're CR 300 at the time of conversion and have a VR16, you'll actually start off with 340 CP after the conversion.

Xqluded

I wholeheartedly welcome these changes 100%.

I am so glad they are giving something for the work put in to our current characters and not just removing them and saying there ya go, your all even now.

This gives players not VR16 yet incentive to continue leveling their toons to VR16 in the mean time. Instead of them quitting until the changes are made.

Finally, a brilliant move on ZoS's part.