Why play anything other than a NB?

tennant94

Because you're bored of playing you're nightblade

Cathexis

Cause most players can't handle staying and fighting or not using macros.

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Sevalaricgirl

I have one of each but I love stam DK so much that I might actually level up a magicka DK. After I get my girls through vet levels that is. I need to stop jumping around in MMOs.

afgncaap7

Because I wanna breathe fire.

M_TeK_9

dday3six wrote: »

Are we talking PVP, PVE, both? Then Magicka or Stamina?

In terms of DPS output, Stamina is behind Magicka for PVE currently, with the notable expection of Stamina DK. Magicka NB is below Magicka Sorc and DK because it's rotation doesn't trigger Molag Kena with normal weaving and the don't have ultimates as useful as Standard or Overload.

Templar's are the "best" healers because their resource restoring. Any class can get the Magicka restoring skills from Destro, Restro, or Undaunted. However only Templars can restore large amounts of Stamina. Even if the DPS don't need it. Highly likely the tank will.

For PVP both Stamina DK's and NB's are really good, and that has a lot to do with there being no physical resistance star for CP, while there is a physical damage increase. Stamina based builds have a large advantage in PVP because they are more durable against CC, and with enough CP, respond to it with the passive Unchained. However Magicka Sorcs and NB's are also doing well in PVP.

Not sure where you get this Nightblades are the best at everything, in all modes. It's certainly not the case.

Medium, light and heavy armor focus = physical resistance.

found1779

Cathexis wrote: »

Cause most players can't handle staying and fighting or not using macros.

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Love ancient aliens good choice lol

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Alucardo

afgncaap7 wrote: »

Because I wanna breathe fire.

When I first started crafting I only had a few traits under my belt, so Ashen grip was the way to go. Breathing fire was a possibility for my nightblades. Best part is, it procs on ambush and looks awesome as hell.

dday3six

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Are we talking PVP, PVE, both? Then Magicka or Stamina?

In terms of DPS output, Stamina is behind Magicka for PVE currently, with the notable expection of Stamina DK. Magicka NB is below Magicka Sorc and DK because it's rotation doesn't trigger Molag Kena with normal weaving and the don't have ultimates as useful as Standard or Overload.

Templar's are the "best" healers because their resource restoring. Any class can get the Magicka restoring skills from Destro, Restro, or Undaunted. However only Templars can restore large amounts of Stamina. Even if the DPS don't need it. Highly likely the tank will.

For PVP both Stamina DK's and NB's are really good, and that has a lot to do with there being no physical resistance star for CP, while there is a physical damage increase. Stamina based builds have a large advantage in PVP because they are more durable against CC, and with enough CP, respond to it with the passive Unchained. However Magicka Sorcs and NB's are also doing well in PVP.

Not sure where you get this Nightblades are the best at everything, in all modes. It's certainly not the case.

Medium, light and heavy armor focus = physical resistance.

I'm talking about a comparable star to Hardy, Elemental Defender, or Thick Skinned. The focus stars are scattered in useless constellations for the armor type, and don't scale nearly as well seeing as how they max at 13% at 100 points invested. Compare that to only 27 points netting you 10% for one of the 3 in the Lady.

revonine

I've preemptively made Sorc and DK backups (enjoying DK immensely) but man if they make magblade anymore difficult to pull good dps out of in PvP that would seriously suck. And I enjoy the hell out of magblade.

Necrelios

Are other classes not useful for anything? Ever? At all? Not even in a group? Not with a mouse? Or in a house? Not here or there or anywhere? Not in a box or with a fox? You do not like them anywhere?

LBxFinalDeath

Why?

Cuz only people who PvP a lot play Nightblades.

PvE'rs go DK, Templar, or Sorc...mainly Sorc.

Nightblades are one of the worst classes for dungeons/end-game content.

Why if ur a derp and can't figure it out? Sorcs out-DPS Nightblades and have a ton more survivability due to shield stacking, Templars are healers and DKs are the Tanks.

You have to be in the top 1% to be considered for a dungeon if you are a Nightblade trying to compare DPS with a top 5% Sorc.

Nightblade is a class that only really shines in PvP and news flash that isn't the only thing in the game.

Even then Nightblade is one of the easiest classes to shut down if you aren't one of those peeps who don't know how to CC break.

Go into imperial city prison with just Nightblades and see what happens.

This actually IS a L2P issue, play the game past PvP and you'll learn why you should play something other than NB.

Sausage

If you like NB, just play it. If all classes were the same, why even have them.

SemiD4rkness

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Why?

Cuz only people who PvP a lot play Nightblades.

PvE'rs go DK, Templar, or Sorc...mainly Sorc.

Nightblades are one of the worst classes for dungeons/end-game content.

Why if ur a derp and can't figure it out? Sorcs out-DPS Nightblades and have a ton more survivability due to shield stacking, Templars are healers and DKs are the Tanks.

You have to be in the top 1% to be considered for a dungeon if you are a Nightblade trying to compare DPS with a top 5% Sorc.

Nightblade is a class that only really shines in PvP and news flash that isn't the only thing in the game.

Even then Nightblade is one of the easiest classes to shut down if you aren't one of those peeps who don't know how to CC break.

Go into imperial city prison with just Nightblades and see what happens.

This actually IS a L2P issue, play the game past PvP and you'll learn why you should play something other than NB.

Pve is for the uskilled. It's not that hard to kill a bunch of npcs in a certain amount of time. Templars are healers and dks are the tanks? You mad bro? How is this a l2p issue? Either you're a pve hero or just a nightblade pvp ganker.

Sharee

"Why play anything other than a NB?"

You get to push more than three buttons and doing so will actually improve your performance!

Seriously, i am currently playing a heavy armor magicka DK and it is so much more interesting than ambush-fear-surprise attack.

Tonnopesce

Yesterday was hilarious i've jumped with the leap+detonation in the middle of a yellow zerg while the blue zerg attached, the smurfs win and i've completed an entire "kill enemy nightblades" quest i think there where at least 30 nightblades in 2 raids summed up.
And with little to 0 build diversity.

BUFF DK'S SO WE CAN ERADICATE THE NIGHTBLADE PLAGUE!

Brrrofski

coolermh wrote: »

I have vet 16 full gear of both a sorc and a nightblade. Im a pc transfer And have lead a fairly large guild. I have a descent amount of exp in pvp. As a night blade I will tell you the secret to literally ruin other nightblades. The big secret is use detect pots. Sorcs are so much stronger the nb in pvp in my exp so far. Well played dks are equally strong. Nb do have high dmg but if you pop a detect pot they have extremely weak defense.

Magica knightblade I'd agree is behind a sorc.

Stam nightblades are the strongest in pvp though in my experience. Only thing I don't have is a stam templar. Even though my stam Nb is only vet 4, I still find it stronger than my vet 16 sorc.

Main reason is lack of physical resist in CP. The longer the game goes, the more CP people will have to invest in elemental defender, Hardy and spell shield, the stronger stam classes will get.

Stam NB
Magica sorc
Stam Dk
Magica NB
Stam sorc (when the person playing it "get's it")

That's how I'd rate classes in pvp currently based on my characters and other players

Sharee

Brrrofski wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

I have vet 16 full gear of both a sorc and a nightblade. Im a pc transfer And have lead a fairly large guild. I have a descent amount of exp in pvp. As a night blade I will tell you the secret to literally ruin other nightblades. The big secret is use detect pots. Sorcs are so much stronger the nb in pvp in my exp so far. Well played dks are equally strong. Nb do have high dmg but if you pop a detect pot they have extremely weak defense.

Magica knightblade I'd agree is behind a sorc.

Stam nightblades are the strongest in pvp though in my experience. Only thing I don't have is a stam templar. Even though my stam Nb is only vet 4, I still find it stronger than my vet 16 sorc.

Main reason is lack of physical resist in CP. The longer the game goes, the more CP people will have to invest in elemental defender, Hardy and spell shield, the stronger stam classes will get.

Luckily, ZOS already realized this and they are planning on adding physical resist CP star in the next revamp.

TalonShina

I'm not playing a NB because it's oooh NB I am playing a NB because of something i wanted to try for a long time and was having trouble perfecting it. I am also playing it as a challenge to myself to prove my build is viable for what i want to accomplish. Sure some play them because they are the FOTM others play them because they have the most fun for the class abilities

LBxFinalDeath

@SemiD4rkness

Its a L2P issue because if you and OP play the actual game instead of just a portion of the game you'd realize a.k.a LEARN theres more than just PvP and in that other half of the game Nightblades are one of the least desirable classes by far.

Also did you just go full re-re on me? How is pointing out for derps like you that DKs and Templars are the tanks and healers mean I'm mad?

You act as though people don't actually wonder about these things sadly.

You also missed the fact that the top 5% of Sorcs out-DPS the top 1% of Nightblades or are comparable but still win out due to shield stacking which raises their survivability.

PvP'rs are so salty when you with good reason bring PvE into a discussion.

Pls go into imperial city prison at Vet 16 with 4 Nightblades and tell me PvE is easy btw.

This has been done before with 4 Sorcs though.

SevenKingdoms

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

@SemiD4rkness

Its a L2P issue because if you and OP play the actual game instead of just a portion of the game you'd realize a.k.a LEARN theres more than just PvP and in that other half of the game Nightblades are one of the least desirable classes by far.

Also did you just go full re-re on me? How is pointing out for derps like you that DKs and Templars are the tanks and healers mean I'm mad?

You act as though people don't actually wonder about these things sadly.

You also missed the fact that the top 5% of Sorcs out-DPS the top 1% of Nightblades or are comparable but still win out due to shield stacking which raises their survivability.

PvP'rs are so salty when you with good reason bring PvE into a discussion.

Pls go into imperial city prison at Vet 16 with 4 Nightblades and tell me PvE is easy btw.

This has been done before with 4 Sorcs though.

Something other than PvP?! 8o

If you're struggling with PvE, perhaps you just need better friends?

Also, if you look at sorcerers, they're a rather "delicate" class. I think they're always going to be either way too strong, or way too weak. There is no middle ground for them. I was considering rolling one, but decided against it because of their inevitable fluctuation between best numbers and worst (aside from Templars, which should probably just be tossed at this point). Nightblades, however, have apparently been strong contenders since release, and if you look at their skills, even if the class skills themselves get "nerfed," they still posses valuable skills that, when utilized with non-class skills, will keep them OP in comparison to the other classes.

LBxFinalDeath

@SevenKingdoms

Indeed Sorcs are a delicate class but its just not right to ignore that they are most effective for end-game content in PvE taking the only place Nightblades could fill (DPS) and do quite well on the other hand in PvP being always considered one of the top two best PvP classes.

Also for the record this was solely to prove a point since everyone seems to forget PvE still exists, I'm a proud collector of monster sets who fancies PvP quite a bit, I'm working on dat Lieutenant grind though.

As I've said many times though, Nightblades only really shine in PvP and even then its only if the NB catches the DK for example off guard so the DK can't get all his buffs up.

revonine

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam NB
Magica sorc
Stam Dk
Magica NB
Stam sorc (when the person playing it "get's it")

That's how I'd rate classes in pvp currently based on my characters and other players

This is spot on.

Dexter411

Why play anything other than NB?
Beacuse its stupid. Having 80% crit on khajiit stam NB just by sacrificing very little. (like 200 stam regen or something similar)
I almost never touch the "OP" or the best classes in games. Challenging yourself was always more fun.

Korah_Eaglecry

SevenKingdoms wrote: »

Apparently, nightblades have been pretty much the same since console release, which for a game resembling an MMO, is quite a while for a class not to see any drastic changes, and if you look at other classes, a NB should certainly pull the better numbers against any of them. Why would you play any other class? Or am I missing something?

Also, it should go without saying, but this is assuming both players are equally matched, both in skill and level. I'm reminded of another post I read in which people were talking about how they pick up a restoration staff and are better healers than Templars. Anything is better than the other if the other sucks, obviously. Same goes here.

LMAO Idk maybe because if everyone ran a DPS class Dungeons would absolutely destroy the groups. Not everything revolves around PvP. I know this is coming as a shock to anyone that thinks the best and only way to play an MMO is to play PvP. But the vast majority of MMO players dont even go near PvP.

AltusVenifus

This has to be a console issue...

NightRibon23444

I won't play my NB anymore for the simple fact, there are OP. It's unfair on how they can just get away when being attacked. If you want to hide and be scared, run a nightblade. You can also kill a person within sec!! I have been hit by a nightblade so many times where I could not break lose or move to avoid anything. If I can break lose they just shadow strike you again and again. So have fun NB. It won't last forever.

NightRibon23444

Oh let's not forget the Fear they can do as well. If they are about to die, they just fear you and clock to run away.

Volkodav

SevenKingdoms wrote: »

Apparently, nightblades have been pretty much the same since console release, which for a game resembling an MMO, is quite a while for a class not to see any drastic changes, and if you look at other classes, a NB should certainly pull the better numbers against any of them. Why would you play any other class? Or am I missing something?

Also, it should go without saying, but this is assuming both players are equally matched, both in skill and level. I'm reminded of another post I read in which people were talking about how they pick up a restoration staff and are better healers than Templars. Anything is better than the other if the other sucks, obviously. Same goes here.

Umm,..perhaps because people like the other classes besides NBs.
People differ quite a bit in their preferred playstyles.You may find the NB to be the best,but someone else may think the Scors or DK is the best for them. :}

Septimus_Magna

NightRibon23444 wrote: »

I won't play my NB anymore for the simple fact, there are OP. It's unfair on how they can just get away when being attacked. If you want to hide and be scared, run a nightblade. You can also kill a person within sec!! I have been hit by a nightblade so many times where I could not break lose or move to avoid anything. If I can break lose they just shadow strike you again and again. So have fun NB. It won't last forever.

Detect pot or Piercing Mark and the NB is dead within a second as well.

Stam NBs can cloak 3-4 times in a row, if you cant counter that you're doing something wrong.

teladoy

Because someday they will do balance changes again and it will be another class the OP . The same like it happened with DKs that they were OP, now are NB, tomorrow will be templars and after tomorrow Sorcerers.