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ESO and FFXIV
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »...If FF14 actually encourages macroing that's just one more reason for me to not play it.
FFXIV has a built in system for macros with a minimum 1s wait per action. It will also let you auto input pre-scripted messages into chat. I think you've drank the forum kool-aid if you think the mere mention of the marcos is bad.
In FFXIV marcos were most often used to communicate messages to your group, to combine certain buffs or skills to save space, or to mirco-manage pet classes. Weaving is FFXIV version of animation canceling, and macros will not weave for you. Infact it is almost always faster to manually use a skill rather than macro it.
Then why the heck is OP praising the macros if they are so inadequate lol
...Wait, nevermind, don't wanna know. This isn't FF14 Forums lol
Right, cause being able to, at the press of a button, detail a boss to someone in written form or as a tank highlight with visiable in game markets the enemy your targeting, and the order going to focus them in, is so inadequate.
Joe, stick to ESO. At least you play that game so you can better pretend to have a clue what you're talking about.
Your post would have some legitimacy if it was coherent. Mind trying that again in English please? Also if what you are saying is said "macros" are basically used to send data between players that does not sound like a macro which means the entire thing has been mistranslated to begin with making all this pointless, including your attempts to insult (and those fail anyway lol).
A slight case of run-on and a "t", meant to be an "r", completely changes the language, sure...
A marco is a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task. Or more simply one button, many actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science) - for reference
Copy and Paste is actually a form of macro. In FFXIV, should a player be so inclined, they can type out a boss strategy save it as a macro and then with the press of a button have it pasted into chat for the benefit of other players.
Also enemies or players can be marked with a icon over their head. They can be numbers or shapes. Using marco a player can shortcut this process. In the case of tanks. Since aggro must, in most cases, be held for all attackers. They can use this to mark targets in numerical order to visually indicate the order to attack them to the other players.
It's a fact that you don't have a 16VR character. 11VR, right? Yet still you try to advise players about endgame when you are not yourself leveled or playing endgame. In doing so, you often cite incorrect infomation. If you find that insulting, perhaps you should try to reframe from advising on issues you have no personal experience with.1 -
Caligamy_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ignore the anti-macro comment because it is quite clear he has no clue what he's talking about.
http://guide-source.com/ffxiv-guide/a-guide-to-writing-ffxiv-macros
@Gidorick Why did you have to go and make me feel all nostalgic? I miss pelting people with snowballs in my reindeer costume on the way to Svara lol..
And all the shots of partying inside and out of the player housing.. T.T Edited by Caligamy_ESO on December 21, 2015 5:42AMlove is love1 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »...If FF14 actually encourages macroing that's just one more reason for me to not play it.
FFXIV has a built in system for macros with a minimum 1s wait per action. It will also let you auto input pre-scripted messages into chat. I think you've drank the forum kool-aid if you think the mere mention of the marcos is bad.
In FFXIV marcos were most often used to communicate messages to your group, to combine certain buffs or skills to save space, or to mirco-manage pet classes. Weaving is FFXIV version of animation canceling, and macros will not weave for you. Infact it is almost always faster to manually use a skill rather than macro it.
Then why the heck is OP praising the macros if they are so inadequate lol
...Wait, nevermind, don't wanna know. This isn't FF14 Forums lol
Right, cause being able to, at the press of a button, detail a boss to someone in written form or as a tank highlight with visiable in game markets the enemy your targeting, and the order going to focus them in, is so inadequate.
Joe, stick to ESO. At least you play that game so you can better pretend to have a clue what you're talking about.
Your post would have some legitimacy if it was coherent. Mind trying that again in English please? Also if what you are saying is said "macros" are basically used to send data between players that does not sound like a macro which means the entire thing has been mistranslated to begin with making all this pointless, including your attempts to insult (and those fail anyway lol).
A slight case of run-on and a "t", meant to be an "r", completely changes the language, sure...
A marco is a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task. Or more simply one button, many actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science) - for reference
Copy and Paste is actually a form of macro. In FFXIV, should a player be so inclined, they can type out a boss strategy save it as a macro and then with the press of a button have it pasted into chat for the benefit of other players.
Also enemies or players can be marked with a icon over their head. They can be numbers or shapes. Using marco a player can shortcut this process. In the case of tanks. Since aggro must, in most cases, be held for all attackers. They can use this to mark targets in numerical order to visually indicate the order to attack them to the other players.
It's a fact that you don't have a 16VR character. 11VR, right? Yet still you try to advise players about endgame when you are not yourself leveled or playing endgame. In doing so, you often cite incorrect infomation. If you find that insulting, perhaps you should try to reframe from advising on issues you have no personal experience with.
So far what you have mentioned sounds nothing like the macroing I know of, so if it is considered macroing then either different things are called macroing now or macroing itself has changed lol
As for advising about endgame when did I do that? I advise on what I know based on personal experience and I comment on things I know from my own gameplay or from what I hear from others in topics that pertain to it, but if you haven't noticed I usually stay out of threads that go into meta discussion because A. I'm not a meta nor do I ever plan to be and B. I have no intention in commenting when meta is involved for the aforementioned reason. If a mechanic is brought up that I do know about then sure I comment and if comments I made happen to be proven wrong I admit so and learn from it and apply said errors in future comments but most of the time what I say can apply and is usually just hated on by haters.
Finally, I did not find your post insulting because it was both a poor attempt and untrue. You say I often cite incorrect information? Well that all depends on who is reading it as when I do "comment" it is opinion but when I do state facts they are usually correct unless I am a bit off the mark or were not fully aware of what the quotee was saying. If you can prove to me that I do this though then by all means feel free to present the evidence that I often provide misinformation. Until then, that statement likes within the eyes of those who normally disagree with me because they wish to believe they are the only ones right or are just plain haters/trolls lolEdited by UltimaJoe777 on December 21, 2015 5:34AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »...If FF14 actually encourages macroing that's just one more reason for me to not play it.
FFXIV has a built in system for macros with a minimum 1s wait per action. It will also let you auto input pre-scripted messages into chat. I think you've drank the forum kool-aid if you think the mere mention of the marcos is bad.
In FFXIV marcos were most often used to communicate messages to your group, to combine certain buffs or skills to save space, or to mirco-manage pet classes. Weaving is FFXIV version of animation canceling, and macros will not weave for you. Infact it is almost always faster to manually use a skill rather than macro it.
Then why the heck is OP praising the macros if they are so inadequate lol
...Wait, nevermind, don't wanna know. This isn't FF14 Forums lol
Right, cause being able to, at the press of a button, detail a boss to someone in written form or as a tank highlight with visiable in game markets the enemy your targeting, and the order going to focus them in, is so inadequate.
Joe, stick to ESO. At least you play that game so you can better pretend to have a clue what you're talking about.
Your post would have some legitimacy if it was coherent. Mind trying that again in English please? Also if what you are saying is said "macros" are basically used to send data between players that does not sound like a macro which means the entire thing has been mistranslated to begin with making all this pointless, including your attempts to insult (and those fail anyway lol).
A slight case of run-on and a "t", meant to be an "r", completely changes the language, sure...
A marco is a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task. Or more simply one button, many actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science) - for reference
Copy and Paste is actually a form of macro. In FFXIV, should a player be so inclined, they can type out a boss strategy save it as a macro and then with the press of a button have it pasted into chat for the benefit of other players.
Also enemies or players can be marked with a icon over their head. They can be numbers or shapes. Using marco a player can shortcut this process. In the case of tanks. Since aggro must, in most cases, be held for all attackers. They can use this to mark targets in numerical order to visually indicate the order to attack them to the other players.
It's a fact that you don't have a 16VR character. 11VR, right? Yet still you try to advise players about endgame when you are not yourself leveled or playing endgame. In doing so, you often cite incorrect infomation. If you find that insulting, perhaps you should try to reframe from advising on issues you have no personal experience with.
So far what you have mentioned sounds nothing like the macroing I know of, so if it is considered macroing then either different things are called macroing now or macroing itself has changed lol...
It's remarkably clear you've no idea what a macro actually is. I literally defined it for you and provided further reference on the subject. Feigning ignorance at that point is just sad...
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It amazes me that one person,the attackee,can be so rude,but the other,while defending himself,can be so civil.0 -
kamimark✭✭✭✭I did briefly try the FFXIV demo, and it's quaint, a perfectly good MMO for 2005. Every zone is gated with visible borders and a loading screen, 2-3 zones per city, let alone out in the "wilderness" zones. 10-60 seconds per zone, with no art, just the next zone's name in white on black. You complain now about loading screens? Let me show you loading screens.
Map has no compass highlights or waypoints; it does have a minimap but if it's visible there, it's visible in camera. Good luck getting around until you memorize the zone map.
Getting emotes or other actions on your hotbar, apparently the only way to trigger them, is a confusing mess (somewhere in the system menu, you can find a "[] add to hotbar" prompt for actions).
Back in the old days, FFXI needed macros so you could cast a spell and ping the next person to chain their spell. Fights were just sequenced macro activation, like a chorus. If someone hit a wrong note everyone died. Apparently at higher levels that's what FFXIV is, too.
There's no voice acting for any characters, but there is annoying omniscient narration with the camera/controls taken away from you at various "story" points.
And for this, they want a higher sub than ESO had, with no option for B2P.
Be happy you're on ESO, is what I'm saying.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »...If FF14 actually encourages macroing that's just one more reason for me to not play it.
FFXIV has a built in system for macros with a minimum 1s wait per action. It will also let you auto input pre-scripted messages into chat. I think you've drank the forum kool-aid if you think the mere mention of the marcos is bad.
In FFXIV marcos were most often used to communicate messages to your group, to combine certain buffs or skills to save space, or to mirco-manage pet classes. Weaving is FFXIV version of animation canceling, and macros will not weave for you. Infact it is almost always faster to manually use a skill rather than macro it.
Then why the heck is OP praising the macros if they are so inadequate lol
...Wait, nevermind, don't wanna know. This isn't FF14 Forums lol
Right, cause being able to, at the press of a button, detail a boss to someone in written form or as a tank highlight with visiable in game markets the enemy your targeting, and the order going to focus them in, is so inadequate.
Joe, stick to ESO. At least you play that game so you can better pretend to have a clue what you're talking about.
Your post would have some legitimacy if it was coherent. Mind trying that again in English please? Also if what you are saying is said "macros" are basically used to send data between players that does not sound like a macro which means the entire thing has been mistranslated to begin with making all this pointless, including your attempts to insult (and those fail anyway lol).
A slight case of run-on and a "t", meant to be an "r", completely changes the language, sure...
A marco is a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task. Or more simply one button, many actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science) - for reference
Copy and Paste is actually a form of macro. In FFXIV, should a player be so inclined, they can type out a boss strategy save it as a macro and then with the press of a button have it pasted into chat for the benefit of other players.
Also enemies or players can be marked with a icon over their head. They can be numbers or shapes. Using marco a player can shortcut this process. In the case of tanks. Since aggro must, in most cases, be held for all attackers. They can use this to mark targets in numerical order to visually indicate the order to attack them to the other players.
It's a fact that you don't have a 16VR character. 11VR, right? Yet still you try to advise players about endgame when you are not yourself leveled or playing endgame. In doing so, you often cite incorrect infomation. If you find that insulting, perhaps you should try to reframe from advising on issues you have no personal experience with.
So far what you have mentioned sounds nothing like the macroing I know of, so if it is considered macroing then either different things are called macroing now or macroing itself has changed lol...
It's remarkably clear you've no idea what a macro actually is. I literally defined it for you and provided further reference on the subject. Feigning ignorance at that point is just sad...
I do know what a macro is and what they are used for and what you have mentioned is not the usual function I know it to be used for. The fact that we know 2 different sides of the coin means we will not agree on the matter so perhaps we should just leave it at that? Furthermore you've done nothing but resort to unnecessary "attempts" at insulting me so that does not exactly help you. Perhaps you should work on them people skills before trying to school anyone, kthxbai.It amazes me that one person,the attackee,can be so rude,but the other,while defending himself,can be so civil.
I know right? And people call me the bad guy... lolEdited by UltimaJoe777 on December 22, 2015 3:02AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »...If FF14 actually encourages macroing that's just one more reason for me to not play it.
FFXIV has a built in system for macros with a minimum 1s wait per action. It will also let you auto input pre-scripted messages into chat. I think you've drank the forum kool-aid if you think the mere mention of the marcos is bad.
In FFXIV marcos were most often used to communicate messages to your group, to combine certain buffs or skills to save space, or to mirco-manage pet classes. Weaving is FFXIV version of animation canceling, and macros will not weave for you. Infact it is almost always faster to manually use a skill rather than macro it.
Then why the heck is OP praising the macros if they are so inadequate lol
...Wait, nevermind, don't wanna know. This isn't FF14 Forums lol
Right, cause being able to, at the press of a button, detail a boss to someone in written form or as a tank highlight with visiable in game markets the enemy your targeting, and the order going to focus them in, is so inadequate.
Joe, stick to ESO. At least you play that game so you can better pretend to have a clue what you're talking about.
Your post would have some legitimacy if it was coherent. Mind trying that again in English please? Also if what you are saying is said "macros" are basically used to send data between players that does not sound like a macro which means the entire thing has been mistranslated to begin with making all this pointless, including your attempts to insult (and those fail anyway lol).
A slight case of run-on and a "t", meant to be an "r", completely changes the language, sure...
A marco is a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task. Or more simply one button, many actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science) - for reference
Copy and Paste is actually a form of macro. In FFXIV, should a player be so inclined, they can type out a boss strategy save it as a macro and then with the press of a button have it pasted into chat for the benefit of other players.
Also enemies or players can be marked with a icon over their head. They can be numbers or shapes. Using marco a player can shortcut this process. In the case of tanks. Since aggro must, in most cases, be held for all attackers. They can use this to mark targets in numerical order to visually indicate the order to attack them to the other players.
It's a fact that you don't have a 16VR character. 11VR, right? Yet still you try to advise players about endgame when you are not yourself leveled or playing endgame. In doing so, you often cite incorrect infomation. If you find that insulting, perhaps you should try to reframe from advising on issues you have no personal experience with.
So far what you have mentioned sounds nothing like the macroing I know of, so if it is considered macroing then either different things are called macroing now or macroing itself has changed lol...
It's remarkably clear you've no idea what a macro actually is. I literally defined it for you and provided further reference on the subject. Feigning ignorance at that point is just sad...
I do know what a macro is and what they are used for and what you have mentioned is not the usual function I know it to be used for. The fact that we know 2 different sides of the coin means we will not agree on the matter so perhaps we should just leave it at that? Furthermore you've done nothing but resort to unnecessary "attempts" at insulting me so that does not exactly help you. Perhaps you should work on them people skills before trying to school anyone, kthxbai.It amazes me that one person,the attackee,can be so rude,but the other,while defending himself,can be so civil.
I know right? And people call me the bad guy... lol
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MrPoolaty✭✭My thoughts...
Eso has an organic feel to it. It's definitely not the roller coaster ffxiv is. I mean that's one ride you can't get off!
Eso crafting style I enjoy the weapon and armor crafting systems buy I think the provision crafting compared to ffxiv is a joke. Ffxiv provision crafts are way more realistic. Weapon and armor on both games I enjoy although, again eso just feels more organic and I enjoy the need a recipe or motif to make something.
Achievement systems... I think they're both about the same I just wish on eso you got a lil more than a dye color...
Housing... Well I just hope and pray eso didn't do what ffxiv did. To me that was the nail in the coffin for me to get out of eorzea...
Challenge... Well they both could have had a lot more of a challenge up to max lvl. I'd say ffxiv was harder but not by much.
PvP... E S O hands down ffxiv total fail at PvP... Eso PvP is awesome despite some changes needed maybe far surpasses ffxiv
Voice over... I love lore but i hate reading that to me was another reason eso is far superior to ffxiv. I want to play a video game not read a book... Idky ffxiv want fully voice overed... Idk if that was what yoshi p had to work with since he was working around a premade game with 1.0
Gathering/fishing... Having to switch gear to do these things in ffxiv is a pita! I think both have pretty good fishing systems again I just wish you got something more than a color dye for achievements on eso.
Class/jobs ..... I hate to sound like a broken record here but the while job system to me on ffxiv is and was broken from the start. Had they of kept it like ffxi/ff tactics it would have been a lot better. Eso on the other hand pure organic. If you wanna rock a cloak and a battle axe with sandals and a shield and cast magic go for it... I'm not sure you can do that on ffxiv. Once again for ffxiv you'll have to ride the pre made roller coaster...
Again my thoughts...
Overall well I'm on the eso forums not the other way around lolEdited by MrPoolaty on December 22, 2015 7:46AM0 -
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✭Does FFXIV have a "level sync" system like FFXI did?
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AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
✭FF XI was superior to XIV in my opinion. I really tried to love 14 but I felt like a robot always using the exact same skills in the exact same rotation or suffer massive dps loss. I hated it, which is sad cause I was so excited to get my hands on Ninja. Got Nin to cap and did some end game dungeons and just lost interest so fast.2 -
puffy99✭✭✭Final Fantasy technically looks good but to me it has that pre teen anima Japanese look and feel that I outgrew about 15 years ago. To each their own though..
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Neirymn✭✭✭✭Does FFXIV have a "level sync" system like FFXI did?
FFXIV does not. In a party you can't lvl sync to a player's lvl, but in dungeons, you're sync if your lvl exceed the cap. For example, the first dungeon is for lvl15 players to lvl18, if I remember right. At lvl60 you can still do it, but you'll be at lvl 18. x)
I like the lore, immersion and exploring in games. FFXIV quests are boring and long readings... Except for some few funny side quests and the main quest. It's an endless grind game from the start to the end, 90% of the quests are to feed exp with a lot of futile lines to read, once you've done them all and want to lvl another job you'll have to endlessly repeat FATE's or leves or dungeons.
It's fun at first but I got bored after a year. Crafting is very time consuming if you don't wish to buy every materials from the AH and the mini-game takes also a lot of time, especially if it's for high lvl stuff. Exploring rewards you with an insignificant amout of exp points depending on your lvl and that's all. I found no fun in that but I did a lot in ESO (treasure chests, lore books, skyshards, notes, places that tell you a story, etc.).
In FFXIV it seems like mobs are introduced in the world in packs to be killed, ESO seems more "alive" and realistic. NPC's in FF can talk to you about you're in game menu and so on... very immersive. FFXIV looks like a world made for dolls, everything close enough looks like plastic, with very naive storylines, dialogues and quests. If you like to ride unicorns and fart rainbows, it's the game you should play! :P
I much prefer ESO with all the bugs than FFXIV. But I still like FFXIV too, not as much as FFXI though, it's nice to play it, the duty finder works very well, the animations are very good, there are very cool combat and zone musics, seasonal events... But with a monthly fee, FFXIV also has a cash shop, for cosmetics only but still... For example, if you want to have a beautiful wedding ceremony, you have to pay real money to do so, it's a shame in my opinion. But SE knows how to take our money.
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✭FF XI was superior to XIV in my opinion. I really tried to love 14 but I felt like a robot always using the exact same skills in the exact same rotation or suffer massive dps loss. I hated it, which is sad cause I was so excited to get my hands on Ninja. Got Nin to cap and did some end game dungeons and just lost interest so fast.
Agreed. XI was far superior. Not a game for the casual player though. Most mobs took a group to take down unless you were a beastmaster2 -
Dradhok✭✭✭Asherons_Call wrote: »FF XI was superior to XIV in my opinion. I really tried to love 14 but I felt like a robot always using the exact same skills in the exact same rotation or suffer massive dps loss. I hated it, which is sad cause I was so excited to get my hands on Ninja. Got Nin to cap and did some end game dungeons and just lost interest so fast.
Agreed. XI was far superior. Not a game for the casual player though. Most mobs took a group to take down unless you were a beastmaster
XI was the real deal. Beastmaster and Blue Mage were two of the best classes I’ve played in any MMO. I’m having a lot of fun with Nightblade in ESO though.3 -
Divinius✭✭✭✭✭
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Thanks for answering!Does FFXIV have a "level sync" system like FFXI did?
FFXIV does not. In a party you can't lvl sync to a player's lvl, but in dungeons, you're sync if your lvl exceed the cap. For example, the first dungeon is for lvl15 players to lvl18, if I remember right. At lvl60 you can still do it, but you'll be at lvl 18.
I played FFXI for 10 years, and it was a love/hate relationship.
Other than playing in the beta, I never got into FFXIV. I came to ESO instead. Unlike FFXI (where it happened frequently), I haven't once rage-quit while playing ESO. This is a far more relaxing game. Which is what a "game" should be, IMHO.
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✭Asherons_Call wrote: »FF XI was superior to XIV in my opinion. I really tried to love 14 but I felt like a robot always using the exact same skills in the exact same rotation or suffer massive dps loss. I hated it, which is sad cause I was so excited to get my hands on Ninja. Got Nin to cap and did some end game dungeons and just lost interest so fast.
Agreed. XI was far superior. Not a game for the casual player though. Most mobs took a group to take down unless you were a beastmaster
XI was the real deal. Beastmaster and Blue Mage were two of the best classes I’ve played in any MMO. I’m having a lot of fun with Nightblade in ESO though.
My favorite was Puppetmaster and Ninja. Loved XI so much, my favorite MMO ever.2 -
Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭FFXIV vs ESO (Holiday edition!)
FFXIV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmmWaqTCi48
ESO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6haSDFrdzUE
Actually that's a hell of a choice...
Pink ponies or infinite loading screens.
You sure the first video shows FFXIV ? I thought it was a Matell commercial showing off their new Ken and Barbie.
Sometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
Selissi - CP 1k+ Redguard Stamina Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Silmerel - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Templar (Ebonheart Pact)
Sunja - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Suldreni - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight (Ebonheart Pact)
Sulhelka - CP 1k+ Altmer Magicka Sorcerer (Ebonheart Pact)
Sylundine - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Warden (Ebonheart Pact)0 -
EZgoin76✭✭✭✭You guys forgot the original solo artist and my favorite, rdm/nin. Blu/nin and bst/nin came along and were a little better but I couldn't give up on my rdm/nin. Loved samurai too, though I couldn't solo nothing with it.I want to change the world. I'm just to lazy to do it.1 -
Eztrelle✭✭I don't like the ff14 lore and much prefer ESO, but that's just a personal preference. BUT, on consoles I think FF14 is a much better MMO experience. It has text chat and a very good LFG tool which facilitates players being able to work together to play the game and socially interact, which are the corner stones of an MMO. In ESOs case ... It has good pvp but in every other respect on consoles it is a single player game set in a massively multiplayer environment.
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revonine✭✭✭✭Comparing FFXIV and ESO is like night and day. Like the OP I left FFXIV to play ESO and I've never looked back since.- The content in FFXIV is harder sure, for MMO players that want more of challenge it's there.
- The combat system in ESO is FAR superior, more engaging and more fast paced.
- PvP in FFXIV is rubbish. Sure PvP in ESO has major issues with lag and balance but it's still miles ahead of FFXIV.
- FFXIV is still a sub MMO so it comes with the benefits of a sub. Bugs get squashed alot faster and classes get re-balanced quicker too.
- FFXIV makes use of the trinity, tank healer and dps. Classes are defined by that role with no sway.
- Gear is obtained through the lastest dungeons and raids only. You want max level gear? You raid. ESO has proper crafting to get max gear with not as much time investment. Crafting exists in FFXIV but be prepared to dedicate most of your play time to it to get anywhere.
- FFXIV has text chat, ESO does not on consoles at least.
- FFXIV has a barbershop/character re-design options, ESO does not at least not yet.
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Dradhok✭✭✭A lot of good points about both games. I wouldn't quit either permanently, but would take breaks from either so I can enjoy the content from both. EOS would break that mold for me if they could implement a few MMO options like a quality AH, text chat on console and clean up some bugs.0
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LBC_Demon✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »...If FF14 actually encourages macroing that's just one more reason for me to not play it.
FFXIV has a built in system for macros with a minimum 1s wait per action. It will also let you auto input pre-scripted messages into chat. I think you've drank the forum kool-aid if you think the mere mention of the marcos is bad.
In FFXIV marcos were most often used to communicate messages to your group, to combine certain buffs or skills to save space, or to mirco-manage pet classes. Weaving is FFXIV version of animation canceling, and macros will not weave for you. Infact it is almost always faster to manually use a skill rather than macro it.
Then why the heck is OP praising the macros if they are so inadequate lol
...Wait, nevermind, don't wanna know. This isn't FF14 Forums lol
Right, cause being able to, at the press of a button, detail a boss to someone in written form or as a tank highlight with visiable in game markets the enemy your targeting, and the order going to focus them in, is so inadequate.
Joe, stick to ESO. At least you play that game so you can better pretend to have a clue what you're talking about.
Your post would have some legitimacy if it was coherent. Mind trying that again in English please? Also if what you are saying is said "macros" are basically used to send data between players that does not sound like a macro which means the entire thing has been mistranslated to begin with making all this pointless, including your attempts to insult (and those fail anyway lol).
A slight case of run-on and a "t", meant to be an "r", completely changes the language, sure...
A marco is a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task. Or more simply one button, many actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science) - for reference
Copy and Paste is actually a form of macro. In FFXIV, should a player be so inclined, they can type out a boss strategy save it as a macro and then with the press of a button have it pasted into chat for the benefit of other players.
Also enemies or players can be marked with a icon over their head. They can be numbers or shapes. Using marco a player can shortcut this process. In the case of tanks. Since aggro must, in most cases, be held for all attackers. They can use this to mark targets in numerical order to visually indicate the order to attack them to the other players.
It's a fact that you don't have a 16VR character. 11VR, right? Yet still you try to advise players about endgame when you are not yourself leveled or playing endgame. In doing so, you often cite incorrect infomation. If you find that insulting, perhaps you should try to reframe from advising on issues you have no personal experience with.
So far what you have mentioned sounds nothing like the macroing I know of, so if it is considered macroing then either different things are called macroing now or macroing itself has changed lol...
It's remarkably clear you've no idea what a macro actually is. I literally defined it for you and provided further reference on the subject. Feigning ignorance at that point is just sad...
I do know what a macro is and what they are used for and what you have mentioned is not the usual function I know it to be used for. The fact that we know 2 different sides of the coin means we will not agree on the matter so perhaps we should just leave it at that? Furthermore you've done nothing but resort to unnecessary "attempts" at insulting me so that does not exactly help you. Perhaps you should work on them people skills before trying to school anyone, kthxbai.It amazes me that one person,the attackee,can be so rude,but the other,while defending himself,can be so civil.
I know right? And people call me the bad guy... lol
What are you even talking about at this point? He explained what a macro is to you. He was correct.
A macro is one quick button to set off a preset sequence of actions.
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✭Young_Archiebold wrote: »FF14 has text which makes it a MMO on console.
can't call eso a MMO on console were there is about 0 communication in dungeons and pvp
Lol have you played the dungeons or pvp? Zero communication haha you people are something else, try plugging your MIC into the ps4 controller and then the other side of it into your ear...
i have actually always my mic plugged in. the only place where there are actually people talking is in a small guild in in atm with like 35 people? and that even took me about 5 months to find so yes. 0 communication0 -
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »So... what exactly is this thread about now?
Also just noticed he praised macros... If FF14 actually encourages macroing that's just one more reason for me to not play it.
Games that have multiple skillbars promote macro use (as that is often the only way to keep track of all the skills and be competitive). Nothing new here. Why do you think manufacturers like Razer and similar are so popular amongst gamers? Definitely not because of ESO, that's for sure.
Those games were built with that in mind and around that concept, it's not an afterthought. Might not be your cup of tea, but millions of other gamers might love it..Edited by Egonieser on December 26, 2015 12:27AMSometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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Dradhok✭✭✭I've been avoiding the macro conversation because it became hostile so quickly. I only mentioned it in my post because SE gave it to its players as an additional tool which comes in very handy if you do a lot of PVE on console. I like to roll tank classes in FF. Being able to taunt and mark out my kill order on one place on my tool bar is lovely. Also, as a tank it helps to communicate and buffing is much easier. I could see people not liking them because it could make a game a one button spam, depending on class, but on console it is a valuable tool IMHO.1
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »...If FF14 actually encourages macroing that's just one more reason for me to not play it.
FFXIV has a built in system for macros with a minimum 1s wait per action. It will also let you auto input pre-scripted messages into chat. I think you've drank the forum kool-aid if you think the mere mention of the marcos is bad.
In FFXIV marcos were most often used to communicate messages to your group, to combine certain buffs or skills to save space, or to mirco-manage pet classes. Weaving is FFXIV version of animation canceling, and macros will not weave for you. Infact it is almost always faster to manually use a skill rather than macro it.
Then why the heck is OP praising the macros if they are so inadequate lol
...Wait, nevermind, don't wanna know. This isn't FF14 Forums lol
Right, cause being able to, at the press of a button, detail a boss to someone in written form or as a tank highlight with visiable in game markets the enemy your targeting, and the order going to focus them in, is so inadequate.
Joe, stick to ESO. At least you play that game so you can better pretend to have a clue what you're talking about.
Your post would have some legitimacy if it was coherent. Mind trying that again in English please? Also if what you are saying is said "macros" are basically used to send data between players that does not sound like a macro which means the entire thing has been mistranslated to begin with making all this pointless, including your attempts to insult (and those fail anyway lol).
A slight case of run-on and a "t", meant to be an "r", completely changes the language, sure...
A marco is a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task. Or more simply one button, many actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science) - for reference
Copy and Paste is actually a form of macro. In FFXIV, should a player be so inclined, they can type out a boss strategy save it as a macro and then with the press of a button have it pasted into chat for the benefit of other players.
Also enemies or players can be marked with a icon over their head. They can be numbers or shapes. Using marco a player can shortcut this process. In the case of tanks. Since aggro must, in most cases, be held for all attackers. They can use this to mark targets in numerical order to visually indicate the order to attack them to the other players.
It's a fact that you don't have a 16VR character. 11VR, right? Yet still you try to advise players about endgame when you are not yourself leveled or playing endgame. In doing so, you often cite incorrect infomation. If you find that insulting, perhaps you should try to reframe from advising on issues you have no personal experience with.
So far what you have mentioned sounds nothing like the macroing I know of, so if it is considered macroing then either different things are called macroing now or macroing itself has changed lol...
It's remarkably clear you've no idea what a macro actually is. I literally defined it for you and provided further reference on the subject. Feigning ignorance at that point is just sad...
I do know what a macro is and what they are used for and what you have mentioned is not the usual function I know it to be used for. The fact that we know 2 different sides of the coin means we will not agree on the matter so perhaps we should just leave it at that? Furthermore you've done nothing but resort to unnecessary "attempts" at insulting me so that does not exactly help you. Perhaps you should work on them people skills before trying to school anyone, kthxbai.It amazes me that one person,the attackee,can be so rude,but the other,while defending himself,can be so civil.
I know right? And people call me the bad guy... lol
What are you even talking about at this point? He explained what a macro is to you. He was correct.
A macro is one quick button to set off a preset sequence of actions.
Basically the point I've been making all along is in my history of MMORPG playing macros have been associated with bots and/or compared to them. As I have been saying I know what a macro is but my experiences with them have been nothing but trouble or got the macroer in trouble thus giving me a negative perspective on them, regardless of any potential convenience. The way you put it can actually verify that, although in this modern day it is not usually seen that way because convenience is everything to people lol
Oh the good old days of gaming, where did you go?Edited by UltimaJoe777 on December 26, 2015 3:11AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭katamuro11b16_ESO wrote: »I did play FF14 for a bit and the best thing that I liked about it was the font. It was a really nice font. I played it on ps3 and honestly it felt a bit empty and yeah communicating was a pain(i didn't have a keyboard for ps3)
I would like to try it again but the subscription keeps me from doing it.
That is the only reason, I ditch ffxiv
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✭✭✭YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »katamuro11b16_ESO wrote: »I did play FF14 for a bit and the best thing that I liked about it was the font. It was a really nice font. I played it on ps3 and honestly it felt a bit empty and yeah communicating was a pain(i didn't have a keyboard for ps3)
I would like to try it again but the subscription keeps me from doing it.
That is the only reason, I ditch ffxiv
I was actually willing to deal with the p2p bit, but what turned me away was the lack of class freedom. Dual-class is something I'm big on, especially since it adds variety to builds, but they don't even have Blue Magic, which I am a huge fan of for the very same variety reason because Blue Magic IS variety.
Due to this I am getting Final Fantasy Explorers next month for 3DS and playing it with friends lolEdited by UltimaJoe777 on December 26, 2015 3:16AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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