Fear = Death

WillhelmBlack

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Starshadw wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

You can break free from a fear.

*cue hysterical laughter*

Well, theoretically you can break-free from fear. Alas, the reality is quite different, given the mechanic is broken.

I disagree completely. Break-free can be bugged with any CC. Fear is no different in that regard.

It's not so much a bug as a design of the 'being feared' animation. It is like you get feared, lose control of your character, which for a short time does nothing, after that he starts screaming, and only then you can break free.

When i get hit by a wrecking blow, i can break free before my body even reaches the upper end of the flight path. But when i get feared, for a while i cannot do anything at all. I have to wait, then break free. This is very different from all other CC's

From my POV as a fear spammer, I can tell you a good number of players do break free as quickly as that. With all CCs, there is a period during which we lose control of our characters.

While viewing video clips of my combat, I have observed myself stun locked from a variety of CC -- often followed by a couple of unintended bashes because I am spamming break-free.

I do think it's possible there may be some react-time variance between CCs, but I do not notice a significant difference between fear and others. I think everyone is pretty biased about at least some things after playing ESO for so long. Myself included. I'd like to see the results of objective testing to prove abilities are broken before posting. Otherwise, these threads turn into an unpopularity contest.

all truth! ^

You don't notice a significant difference between breaking CC of Dragon Leap/Binding Javelin/Volcanic Rune as compared to the CC of Fear/Reverberating Bash?

Docmandu

Thread sum up:

- NB: fear is fine
- non-NB: fear is broken

Basically the same as sorc threads wrt shields.

bowmanz607

Docmandu wrote: »

Thread sum up:

- NB: fear is fine
- non-NB: fear is broken

Basically the same as sorc threads wrt shields.

Hey don't you think 8th is time to realize that many players run all cases and want the game balanced as a whole. Your assumption that everyone in a thread that likes an ability must be running that class as their main and not play the class if they don't like it is crazy. Sure maybe some, but don't be lumping everyone into to categories based in that. You weigh their arguments to see if they are logical and reasonable comments. If someone makes a solid argument then it should be taken on its merit. You can agree or disagree with them but that does not mean they fall into two categories stated above.

For instance, I play all cases with a stamina nb being my main since beta. I have been playing that setup since the time people shunned stamina classes and nb in general to it being the fotm. However, I do not defend a nb at every turn. I do think the class has some issues. I have constantly stated that supreme attack should keep its damage and lose its stunning and debuff. The skill is unique enough without all that. I have also said ambush needs to be looked at. Not because of the people spamming it because 9f the root because that is all gap closers not ambush. However, I do think with the current meta that it should lose the empowering buff and maybe a slight dps reduction but only if stamina still reigns supreme after the balance c9meing. That said, I think fear is fine as is besides the work that needs to be done to the animation and the issue with break free associated with ALL cc.

For you to tell me that I am simply a nb defending my skills is like telling me that this game I have put more hours into then any other game before it I want to see fail. That I would prefer to defend skills that I use so I can run around with the best avilitiea. That essentially I would prefer an imbalanced game for my benefit which will eventually die and not be playable because 9f the imbalance. I want to see this gave thrive for 10 years or more. The way to do that is to give feedback to balance the game not run around trolling people with the best abilities in the game before it dies.

Docmandu

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I play all cases with a stamina nb being my main since beta.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

That said, I think fear is fine as is

Isn't that what I was saying?!

- NB: fear is fine
- non-NB: fear is broken

bowmanz607

Docmandu wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I play all cases with a stamina nb being my main since beta.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

That said, I think fear is fine as is

Isn't that what I was saying?!

- NB: fear is fine
- non-NB: fear is broken

Yes. My apologies if I took it wrong. But i took this statement as only nb defend their skills where only non nb attack the skills. That no matter logical arguments being made a it will always be a nb for and a non nb against. I do not agree with that understanding. Lumping everyone into two simplistic categories makes it seem that a nb will defend abilities they have with or without good arguments. That weakens the position of logically made arguments just because of the class they play. A person's arguments should be taken on its face not for any other reason.

QuebraRegra

Sharee wrote: »

Part of the problem is fear itself, part of the problem is damage output being out of hand.

1, when you get feared, it takes much longer to regain control of your character with CC break than with other CC's. I can break out of fossilize almost instantly, but with fear the enemy is guaranteed to be able to attack me while i am still CC-ed.

2, this would not be much of a problem if the potential damage output wasn't so high that the window where a feared enemy is helpless is often enough to get a kill.

Fear needs to be revisited to make the responsiveness of breaking out of it on par with other CC abilities. Then the problem will go away.

Oh, no...

So their fix will be a 100% dmg nerf, rather than a proper CC break mechanic. Just wait.

MormondPayne_EP

bowmanz607 wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@Destyran and @MormondPayne_EP You obviously have fixated on one skill, and haven't noticed that ALL cc is bugged at times - most notably in lag where you can sometimes have to break free two or three times. Have you been Invasion -> Reverberating Bashed lately? That applies a stun that you often can't break out of for the full cc duration. Rather than making asinine comments perhaps a bit of intelligence and thought might help people to make good suggestions to ZOS on how to change things.

Barlthump wrote: »

Elder robes online here I come. Almost got my v16 sorc up. Screw playing a stamina class which needs to work to get kills. You people QQ that a nightblade kills you cause you are running the same exact thing as him. He runs all points into stam with a pathetic 14k hp and you do the same with all points into your main stat and then come here to QQ that you get one shot when he fears. Like DUH. Nightblades are a burst class. I kept quiet when you dumped on cloaks. Now you wanna dump on fear. Holy cow, when are you gonna realize maybe it's time to get more tanky? I've lose to thousands of people who have at least 25k hp.

But why bother trying to reason, just got to grit my teeth and wait till my sorc hits v16. Gonna shield spam and overload attack to glory. My main bar is also set in stone, impulse, crushing shock, streak, bound armor, magelight and beautiful overload, off bar resto with, liquid lightning, hardened ward, Healing Ward, boundless sorry with bound armor and magelight. 100 points intp bastion walk around with 25k shields and 14k hp.

I have 25k in health. A burst from stealth with fear incorporated is able to easily do that much damage ESPECIALLY when they use the broken Camo hunter cheese that is floating around nowadays...

Stop trying to defend the overpowered combo... fear in itself needs to be tweaked so that it breaks on damage LIKE EVERY OTHER CC. The fact of the matter is that if you happen to survive the DPS burst with fear the NB just cloaks their way out of there and tries it again and again and again and again until you eventually slip up and die.

Try being on the receiving end of it and see. Shields dont stop fear... at best you will have to endlessly repel the fear > cloak > ambush/SA/WB combo until either you or the NB gets tired of it...

IT SUCKS and it make for crappy gameplay. Lately I have seen what I can only assume to be macros that land all of these attacks at once from a number of players that I have taken notice of because it happens EXACTLY the same way everytime without fail, often with only 1 or 2 skills on the death recap which doesnt even total enough damage to drain my 25k health.

Just stop it already.

I think you should just stop already. One stop throwing in other combos to justify your position. One a gander that pros came hunter does not need any other skilll. That's it game over. No need for a cc. Additionally, any glass canon can hit hard from stealth . No need for a cc. Not to mention an attack from stealth already stuns the person so there is no reason for a cc. And yes if I hit you with a high burst combo and then cc you and then hit you with burst ya you should probably die. That is true no matter the cc used. Stop trying to blame fear.

Again, not every cc breaks on damage so stop saying this.

Also, stop making all skills the same. All cc should not operate the same. Wtf is the point of that!blah blah no diversity make all class skills the same. Blah blah.

And your last statement talking about fear, cloack, ambush, supreme attack is called a combo there bud. I'm sorry should the NB just ambush you the whole time or supreme attack the whole time? Then you would just be on here yelling about one button spam. A cc, gap closer, main DPS is a classic combo that all classes use. All stam builds equally cc, gap closer, main DPs. Not to mention, that most players run with one main DPS a cc a gap closer and then maybe a dot with the rest being buffs. Such is the life of having 5 skills per bar. Again I say stop singling out a class for what everyone can do.

Your logic is flawed. Your information is wrong. You are yelling at people for using combo attacks tk kill you. Sounds like you need to play this game some more. Have you duel ed before? Maybe you should. You Wil quickly find out that many many players can handle the issues you mention. You will also find out that a stam dk with one hand shield is best. Followed by sorc followed by nb. Get your information straight and come back when you understand how to play.

I try to be nice and respectful for the most part but this garbage is becoming bs.

Yes, the fear animation needs adjustment. Cc breaks in general need adjustment. Gap closer roots in general need to be adjusted. Camo hunter needs to be revisited. However, linking these issues to only nb abilities just because you cannot fight a nb is wring. OMG he used a viable combo on me and killed what on earth should I do?

Good grief.

Really?

Bringing up the abilities that are broken and the mechanics that don't work because people exploit them is not irrelevant, it's the core of the matter.

Also, stop making assumptions, I have played this game from beta, I have dueled extensively and guess what genius? Open world is entirely different from Dueling. My dueling bar is VERY different from my open world bar.

Nice straw manning there buddy.

I like your last comment where you spend the majority of your comment attacking everythig I said only to come to the same conclusion at the end. Good one, logic master.

bowmanz607

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@Destyran and @MormondPayne_EP You obviously have fixated on one skill, and haven't noticed that ALL cc is bugged at times - most notably in lag where you can sometimes have to break free two or three times. Have you been Invasion -> Reverberating Bashed lately? That applies a stun that you often can't break out of for the full cc duration. Rather than making asinine comments perhaps a bit of intelligence and thought might help people to make good suggestions to ZOS on how to change things.

Barlthump wrote: »

Elder robes online here I come. Almost got my v16 sorc up. Screw playing a stamina class which needs to work to get kills. You people QQ that a nightblade kills you cause you are running the same exact thing as him. He runs all points into stam with a pathetic 14k hp and you do the same with all points into your main stat and then come here to QQ that you get one shot when he fears. Like DUH. Nightblades are a burst class. I kept quiet when you dumped on cloaks. Now you wanna dump on fear. Holy cow, when are you gonna realize maybe it's time to get more tanky? I've lose to thousands of people who have at least 25k hp.

But why bother trying to reason, just got to grit my teeth and wait till my sorc hits v16. Gonna shield spam and overload attack to glory. My main bar is also set in stone, impulse, crushing shock, streak, bound armor, magelight and beautiful overload, off bar resto with, liquid lightning, hardened ward, Healing Ward, boundless sorry with bound armor and magelight. 100 points intp bastion walk around with 25k shields and 14k hp.

I have 25k in health. A burst from stealth with fear incorporated is able to easily do that much damage ESPECIALLY when they use the broken Camo hunter cheese that is floating around nowadays...

Stop trying to defend the overpowered combo... fear in itself needs to be tweaked so that it breaks on damage LIKE EVERY OTHER CC. The fact of the matter is that if you happen to survive the DPS burst with fear the NB just cloaks their way out of there and tries it again and again and again and again until you eventually slip up and die.

Try being on the receiving end of it and see. Shields dont stop fear... at best you will have to endlessly repel the fear > cloak > ambush/SA/WB combo until either you or the NB gets tired of it...

IT SUCKS and it make for crappy gameplay. Lately I have seen what I can only assume to be macros that land all of these attacks at once from a number of players that I have taken notice of because it happens EXACTLY the same way everytime without fail, often with only 1 or 2 skills on the death recap which doesnt even total enough damage to drain my 25k health.

Just stop it already.

I think you should just stop already. One stop throwing in other combos to justify your position. One a gander that pros came hunter does not need any other skilll. That's it game over. No need for a cc. Additionally, any glass canon can hit hard from stealth . No need for a cc. Not to mention an attack from stealth already stuns the person so there is no reason for a cc. And yes if I hit you with a high burst combo and then cc you and then hit you with burst ya you should probably die. That is true no matter the cc used. Stop trying to blame fear.

Again, not every cc breaks on damage so stop saying this.

Also, stop making all skills the same. All cc should not operate the same. Wtf is the point of that!blah blah no diversity make all class skills the same. Blah blah.

And your last statement talking about fear, cloack, ambush, supreme attack is called a combo there bud. I'm sorry should the NB just ambush you the whole time or supreme attack the whole time? Then you would just be on here yelling about one button spam. A cc, gap closer, main DPS is a classic combo that all classes use. All stam builds equally cc, gap closer, main DPs. Not to mention, that most players run with one main DPS a cc a gap closer and then maybe a dot with the rest being buffs. Such is the life of having 5 skills per bar. Again I say stop singling out a class for what everyone can do.

Your logic is flawed. Your information is wrong. You are yelling at people for using combo attacks tk kill you. Sounds like you need to play this game some more. Have you duel ed before? Maybe you should. You Wil quickly find out that many many players can handle the issues you mention. You will also find out that a stam dk with one hand shield is best. Followed by sorc followed by nb. Get your information straight and come back when you understand how to play.

I try to be nice and respectful for the most part but this garbage is becoming bs.

Yes, the fear animation needs adjustment. Cc breaks in general need adjustment. Gap closer roots in general need to be adjusted. Camo hunter needs to be revisited. However, linking these issues to only nb abilities just because you cannot fight a nb is wring. OMG he used a viable combo on me and killed what on earth should I do?

Good grief.

Really?

Bringing up the abilities that are broken and the mechanics that don't work because people exploit them is not irrelevant, it's the core of the matter.

Also, stop making assumptions, I have played this game from beta, I have dueled extensively and guess what genius? Open world is entirely different from Dueling. My dueling bar is VERY different from my open world bar.

Nice straw manning there buddy.

I like your last comment where you spend the majority of your comment attacking everythig I said only to come to the same conclusion at the end. Good one, logic master.

First the core of the matter in this forum is fear. I also completely understand that dueling is separate from open world but that does not mean the abilities themselves operate differently because you are playing different styles. Also, as a player that has been around so long you seem to be spreading false information such as all cc breaks on damage except fear. Last, your conclusion seems to be that fear is broken. I am saying that fear is not broken but the animation is off. If you see a nb fear you then you can break out before the animation of being feared starts. Again, you state fear is broken because of a delay in cc break. I am saying there is no delay in the cc break other than the issue that happens with ALL gap closers, but rather the feat animation is delayed which makes people think there is a cc break delay cause they wait for the delayed animation rather than breaking free when they see the nb use fear.