Dawn Breaker a Joke

Alucardo

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Stam dks probably put the same amout of points in thaumaturge as magicka dks. (Just one or two untill you are somewhere about 1200 cp). So the statement was correct.

I wish I could afford that. Already I have to split between mighty and elemental expert to get the most out of my DoTs. Adding enough in thaumaturge to make DB useful would hurt me more than anything.

FriedEggSandwich

Sharee wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

doesnt matter what it scales off, it is better for magicka builds because they have the CP in mag dmg to enhance it, stam dont really have any physical scaling ultimates, besides leap for the DK, i know of none.

Wrong. It scales of better for builds using thaumaturge from the CP system. A magicka dk won't profit in any way more than a stam DK. Or whatever else.

Technically you are correct, but how many stam DK's put their points into thaumaturge?

For all practical purposes, he is right - dawnbreaker is better for magicka builds , because stamina builds put their CP into mighty instead.

Many magicka builds, including most sorcs have to split their cp between elemental expert and thaumaturge, so no sympathy from me in that respect.

lolo_01b16_ESO

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

doesnt matter what it scales off, it is better for magicka builds because they have the CP in mag dmg to enhance it, stam dont really have any physical scaling ultimates, besides leap for the DK, i know of none.

Wrong. It scales of better for builds using thaumaturge from the CP system. A magicka dk won't profit in any way more than a stam DK. Or whatever else.

Technically you are correct, but how many stam DK's put their points into thaumaturge?

For all practical purposes, he is right - dawnbreaker is better for magicka builds , because stamina builds put their CP into mighty instead.

Many magicka builds, including most sorcs have to split their cp between elemental expert and thaumaturge, so no sympathy from me in that respect.

Actually sorcs are the only class, where splitting up cp is more important than on stamina builds.

Junkogen

leepalmer95 wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

He's on about the fact it's magicka dmg (yes i know it scales) but it gets a great effect from thaum.

There is very few physical dmg ultimate's that benefit from mighty.

It's troubling that ZOS doesn't think of this stuff.

AzraelKrieg

How does one Dawnbreaker a joke exactly?

Sav72

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

How does one Dawnbreaker a joke exactly?

Go back to your hole.

BuggeX

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

How does one Dawnbreaker a joke exactly?

cause db of smithing does less dmg to Vamps/ww than a Wrecking blow

AzraelKrieg

BuggeX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

How does one Dawnbreaker a joke exactly?

cause db of smithing does less dmg to Vamps/ww than a Wrecking blow

Now that is a joke.

BuggeX

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

How does one Dawnbreaker a joke exactly?

cause db of smithing does less dmg to Vamps/ww than a Wrecking blow

Now that is a joke.

just speaking of the initial hit, not the additional dots after.

my biggest db to a Vamp was somthing 13k.

i got once a wb with 15k

Lord-Otto

BuggeX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

How does one Dawnbreaker a joke exactly?

cause db of smithing does less dmg to Vamps/ww than a Wrecking blow

Now that is a joke.

just speaking of the initial hit, not the additional dots after.

my biggest db to a Vamp was somthing 13k.

i got once a wb with 15k

Wait!
I was under the impression Wrecking Blow is the two-hander skill line's ultimate?
(o_O)

Lenikus

BuggeX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

How does one Dawnbreaker a joke exactly?

cause db of smithing does less dmg to Vamps/ww than a Wrecking blow

Now that is a joke.

just speaking of the initial hit, not the additional dots after.

my biggest db to a Vamp was somthing 13k.

i got once a wb with 15k

One is physical damage, the other is Magic damage.
How are your CPs ? How many points in dat tramathurge? and in Mighty ?
And the victims, how many they got in Hardy ? and /or their spell/physical resistance ? ;3

FriedEggSandwich

Lord-Otto wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

How does one Dawnbreaker a joke exactly?

cause db of smithing does less dmg to Vamps/ww than a Wrecking blow

Now that is a joke.

just speaking of the initial hit, not the additional dots after.

my biggest db to a Vamp was somthing 13k.

i got once a wb with 15k

Wait!
I was under the impression Wrecking Blow is the two-hander skill line's ultimate?
(o_O)

Weapon skill lines don't have ultimates. Maybe they should..

Joy_Division

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Dawnbreaker is ok. But being one shotted by a heavy attack because of camo hunter is ridiculous...

So much this.

socivL

NB shouldn't have to break stealth to attack.
it's ridiculous that they have to.
needs to be fixed, a-sap

Shadesofkin

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

Indeed. This is an issue for so many ultimates.

Lenikus

Shadesofkin wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

Indeed. This is an issue for so many ultimates.

Ultimates Scale on the highest stat, be it magicka or Stamina.
Dawnbreaker itself has a morph that increases weapon dmg. Indeed. it does caters to magicka users.
Not to mention the fighter's guild line as a whole is mostly stamina based and physical damage.

... get some perspective, you two. lol'

Oreyn_Bearclaw

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

Yeah pretty sure my main has more Stamina than Magicka and yet it goes off Magicka but I will double check this. Could just be Thaumaturge I'm thinking about lol

This is not quite the whole story. To my understanding, ultimates scale to your max attribute, be it stam or magic. The issue is that many of the ultimate tool tips will still specify a type of damage. For example, with Flawless Dawnbreaker, it specifies that it does magic damage. Here in lies the problem.

Take two max players, one stam and one magic. With no CP, their ultimates will hit about the same. However, a magic user is likely going to have at least some points into Thaumaturge, where a Stam user likely will not. Therefore, on average, Flawless Dawnbreaker is going to hit much harder for a magic player. This has bugged me for a while. If anything, a fighters guild ultimate should favor stamina and use physical damage.

Saint314Louis1985

socivL wrote: »

NB shouldn't have to break stealth to attack.
it's ridiculous that they have to.
needs to be fixed, a-sap

lol ok so what you just run around invisible the whole time? and what? no one can hit you but you can hit them? explain how that makes sense. be practical, you dont think that would be OP? you have got to be kidding

Shadesofkin

Lenikus wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

Indeed. This is an issue for so many ultimates.

Ultimates Scale on the highest stat, be it magicka or Stamina.
Dawnbreaker itself has a morph that increases weapon dmg. Indeed. it does caters to magicka users.
Not to mention the fighter's guild line as a whole is mostly stamina based and physical damage.

... get some perspective, you two. lol'

It's a matter of trappings, the entire ultimates scale off highest stat thing is all well and good, but they do not look like it in the least. If I have an ultimate that is based on Stamina then I want it to look like it's based on Stamina too. I'm aware of mechanics, but everything in the animations caters to the Magikca as far as I'm concerned and this is a problem for me aesthetically.

That's all I mean by my agreement.

UltimaJoe777

Spottswoode wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

if dawnbreaker and all fighters guild get weakened, all players become vamps or WWs
if dawnbreaker and all fighters guild get buffed, all players stay "normal"
reallocate your CPs, cure it or L2P

I stay normal regardless lol, except for my dedicated ww and vamp alts of course.

I think there are way too many players who pick up ww/vamp, specifically for a build advantage instead of building around ww/vamp. It's meant to be power with a drawback that you have to compensate for. When you organize around it, it ends better than if you pick it up as an addition.

Yeah and personally I prefer to be neither. I only have a Werewolf and a Vampire so I can bite people lol (except my Vampire currently cannot bite)

Lenikus wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

Indeed. This is an issue for so many ultimates.

Ultimates Scale on the highest stat, be it magicka or Stamina.
Dawnbreaker itself has a morph that increases weapon dmg. Indeed. it does caters to magicka users.
Not to mention the fighter's guild line as a whole is mostly stamina based and physical damage.

... get some perspective, you two. lol'

Don't look at me he quoted an outdated post that has already been proven wrong lol

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

Yeah pretty sure my main has more Stamina than Magicka and yet it goes off Magicka but I will double check this. Could just be Thaumaturge I'm thinking about lol

This is not quite the whole story. To my understanding, ultimates scale to your max attribute, be it stam or magic. The issue is that many of the ultimate tool tips will still specify a type of damage. For example, with Flawless Dawnbreaker, it specifies that it does magic damage. Here in lies the problem.

Take two max players, one stam and one magic. With no CP, their ultimates will hit about the same. However, a magic user is likely going to have at least some points into Thaumaturge, where a Stam user likely will not. Therefore, on average, Flawless Dawnbreaker is going to hit much harder for a magic player. This has bugged me for a while. If anything, a fighters guild ultimate should favor stamina and use physical damage.

Yes I checked and saw it scales off whichever is higher, but I would have to check to see if any of them are actually influenced by Thaumaturge regardless of the scaling lol