Dawn Breaker a Joke

Sav72

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Kammakazi

Gioti VR16 NB/Vamp EP

You better cure that infection boy.

DannyLV702

Dawnbreaker is ok. But being one shotted by a heavy attack because of camo hunter is ridiculous...

TequilaFire

Agreed it could use a buff.

Lenikus

Magicka builds with high spell damage can pull off in pvp some 10k+ Dawnbreakers of smiting, plus the first tick wich ups it to a 12'ish K dmg.., add the 60% extra to vampires, aaaand the 20% off from the guy's buff / empower and you get yourself an ULTIMATE that hits Vampire players with 20k.

Welp, you did got me there, that's freaking hilarious.
It IS a joke !

UltimaJoe777

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

ontheleftcoast

I'm assuming you're a vamp and got wrecked by Dawnbreaker? It's really tough against us but hardly an end of the world thing. Just today I ran into a Templar who tried to Dawnbreaker me then jab me to death, unfortunately for him I dodge rolled away from him when I saw the animation starting and his DB did nothing, I banged out some heals with my restro staff, tossed my bats and an invigorating drain on him and he melted. Don't mess with the children of night lightly oh ye Templars or face death.

RAGUNAnoOne

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

leepalmer95

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

He's on about the fact it's magicka dmg (yes i know it scales) but it gets a great effect from thaum.

There is very few physical dmg ultimate's that benefit from mighty.

lynog85

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

doesnt matter what it scales off, it is better for magicka builds because they have the CP in mag dmg to enhance it, stam dont really have any physical scaling ultimates, besides leap for the DK, i know of none.

Forestd16b14_ESO

So another vampire is QQ about a skill.... no not a skill but a daedric artifact that was designed and had the same purpose since TES 1 Arena and that is to inflict massive damage to undead beings which includes vampires.

You are the one who chose to be a undead monster for power now time to suffer from the negatives and that means massive damage from Dawnbreaker and the fighters guild skill line and decreases fire resistance. Don't like it? Then cure your self.

Wollust

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RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

doesnt matter what it scales off, it is better for magicka builds because they have the CP in mag dmg to enhance it, stam dont really have any physical scaling ultimates, besides leap for the DK, i know of none.

Wrong. It scales of better for builds using thaumaturge from the CP system. A magicka dk won't profit in any way more than a stam DK. Or whatever else.

UltimaJoe777

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

Yeah pretty sure my main has more Stamina than Magicka and yet it goes off Magicka but I will double check this. Could just be Thaumaturge I'm thinking about lol

RAGUNAnoOne

I admit I wasn't thinking about CPs when I responded...

rokrdt05

leepalmer95 wrote: »

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RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

He's on about the fact it's magicka dmg (yes i know it scales) but it gets a great effect from thaum.

There is very few physical dmg ultimate's that benefit from mighty.

This may be true, but there is no physical damage reduction in the CP tree... whereas there is magic damage reduction in the CP tree... sounds like OP needs to spend more points here.

Spottswoode

Dawnbreaker's a joke? That's funny. I thought it was one of the ultimates that actually work. Pretty well, in fact.
It doesn't have many drawbacks and it's pretty much the best general purpose melee ultimate.

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I admit I wasn't thinking about CPs when I responded...

25% does not useless make.

PrinceBoru

whatever Dawnbreaker rules

lolo_01b16_ESO

I don't think dawnbreaker is a joke. It's actually a very good choice if you want to have a damage ultimate on a templar and also for other classes it can be usefull.

UltimaJoe777

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RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

Yeah pretty sure my main has more Stamina than Magicka and yet it goes off Magicka but I will double check this. Could just be Thaumaturge I'm thinking about lol

Perhaps I was thinking about Champion Passives, either that or I just assumed while helping a friend with their build or doing one of my alts or something Magicka ruled them lol so yeah I withdraw my first statement because joke's on me

Waseem

if dawnbreaker and all fighters guild get weakened, all players become vamps or WWs
if dawnbreaker and all fighters guild get buffed, all players stay "normal"
reallocate your CPs, cure it or L2P

UltimaJoe777

Waseem wrote: »

if dawnbreaker and all fighters guild get weakened, all players become vamps or WWs
if dawnbreaker and all fighters guild get buffed, all players stay "normal"
reallocate your CPs, cure it or L2P

I stay normal regardless lol, except for my dedicated ww and vamp alts of course.

Sithisvoid

Remember Oblivion when if you were vamp and fast traveled you had to pray it was nighttime when you got there? Or merchants were like " Oh nah uh I'm not selling to you. You're an abomination" Lucien told me this would be fun!

Spottswoode

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Waseem wrote: »

if dawnbreaker and all fighters guild get weakened, all players become vamps or WWs
if dawnbreaker and all fighters guild get buffed, all players stay "normal"
reallocate your CPs, cure it or L2P

I stay normal regardless lol, except for my dedicated ww and vamp alts of course.

I think there are way too many players who pick up ww/vamp, specifically for a build advantage instead of building around ww/vamp. It's meant to be power with a drawback that you have to compensate for. When you organize around it, it ends better than if you pick it up as an addition.

Malmai

Lenikus wrote: »

Magicka builds with high spell damage can pull off in pvp some 10k+ Dawnbreakers of smiting, plus the first tick wich ups it to a 12'ish K dmg.., add the 60% extra to vampires, aaaand the 20% off from the guy's buff / empower and you get yourself an ULTIMATE that hits Vampire players with 20k.

Welp, you did got me there, that's freaking hilarious.
It IS a joke !

Or maybe Batswarm ? Cannot be target and can reach more than 20k dot + Magicka/Stam regen + getaway skill + all good passives... Just stop.

Toc de Malsvi

Spottswoode wrote: »

I think there are way too many players who pick up ww/vamp, specifically for a build advantage instead of building around ww/vamp. It's meant to be power with a drawback that you have to compensate for. When you organize around it, it ends better than if you pick it up as an addition.

For Vampire, yes you want to build around it, you will always be "in form" and thus always take more damage from Fighters Guild abilities. It has very powerful advantages if played right, a small number of Vampires(3-4) all using Bat Swarm together with Magicka Det, and Steel tornado's can easily wipe huge numbers of people. For Werewolf you can limit when you are in form so it can be used much better as an build advantage without focusing on it as the primary function. My stam DK uses Dawnbreaker on the main bar mainly for the weapon damage buff, which allows me to sit on my ultimate gains unless needed, Werewolf transformation with its high cost not only heals me through DK passives, it often reverses a losing fight especially in 1v1 or 1v2 scenario's.

Sharee

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lynog85 wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

doesnt matter what it scales off, it is better for magicka builds because they have the CP in mag dmg to enhance it, stam dont really have any physical scaling ultimates, besides leap for the DK, i know of none.

Wrong. It scales of better for builds using thaumaturge from the CP system. A magicka dk won't profit in any way more than a stam DK. Or whatever else.

Technically you are correct, but how many stam DK's put their points into thaumaturge?

For all practical purposes, he is right - dawnbreaker is better for magicka builds , because stamina builds put their CP into mighty instead.

Spottswoode

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

For Vampire, yes you want to build around it, you will always be "in form" and thus always take more damage from Fighters Guild abilities. It has very powerful advantages if played right, a small number of Vampires(3-4) all using Bat Swarm together with Magicka Det, and Steel tornado's can easily wipe huge numbers of people. For Werewolf you can limit when you are in form so it can be used much better as an build advantage without focusing on it as the primary function. My stam DK uses Dawnbreaker on the main bar mainly for the weapon damage buff, which allows me to sit on my ultimate gains unless needed, Werewolf transformation with its high cost not only heals me through DK passives, it often reverses a losing fight especially in 1v1 or 1v2 scenario's.

The big weakness Werewolves have is archers. While they do have the leap attack, it's range is fairly limited. Poison injection and lethal arrow can easily be used to great effect from stealth.

Most of the pvp Werewolves I play with use armor sets to compensate. I've taken to Vampire's kiss and Whitestrake myself.

Alcast

Lenikus wrote: »

Magicka builds with high spell damage can pull off in pvp some 10k+ Dawnbreakers of smiting, plus the first tick wich ups it to a 12'ish K dmg.., add the 60% extra to vampires, aaaand the 20% off from the guy's buff / empower and you get yourself an ULTIMATE that hits Vampire players with 20k.

Welp, you did got me there, that's freaking hilarious.
It IS a joke !

Y day got it by a 13k+3k Dawnbr of Smiting. Wouldnt even mid, but 0 chance to react vs it bc its instant dmg xD

Also, I did not see the animation bc ZOS

lolo_01b16_ESO

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Wollust wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The real joke is Dawnbreaker caters to Magicka like every other Ultimate. We need some Stamina Ultimates up off in here!

It scales with the highest stat, all ultimates do leaving that argument invalid.

doesnt matter what it scales off, it is better for magicka builds because they have the CP in mag dmg to enhance it, stam dont really have any physical scaling ultimates, besides leap for the DK, i know of none.

Wrong. It scales of better for builds using thaumaturge from the CP system. A magicka dk won't profit in any way more than a stam DK. Or whatever else.

Technically you are correct, but how many stam DK's put their points into thaumaturge?

For all practical purposes, he is right - dawnbreaker is better for magicka builds , because stamina builds put their CP into mighty instead.

Stam dks probably put the same amout of points in thaumaturge as magicka dks. (Just one or two untill you are somewhere about 1200 cp). So the statement was correct.

zornyan

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Lenikus wrote: »

Magicka builds with high spell damage can pull off in pvp some 10k+ Dawnbreakers of smiting, plus the first tick wich ups it to a 12'ish K dmg.., add the 60% extra to vampires, aaaand the 20% off from the guy's buff / empower and you get yourself an ULTIMATE that hits Vampire players with 20k.

Welp, you did got me there, that's freaking hilarious.
It IS a joke !

Or maybe Batswarm ? Cannot be target and can reach more than 20k dot + Magicka/Stam regen + getaway skill + all good passives... Just stop.

What? What get away escape? Mist form is a suicide skill. For 4 seconds, you don't regen magicka or health, you can't heal, you take 20% less damage, and you can walk slightly faster.

Most good players I fight just root or snare me

Samphaa

Yeah it is a joke, my friend keeps using it and blowing his 1000 overload he has stacked for molag kena