ESO Inspect Options and PVP Improvements (CONSOLE CHAT)

KingYogi415

I would like to say ESO is becoming one of my favorite games of all time.
I could see playing ESO for a long time (buying every expansion and a mount every couple months.)
I want to have a forum were we can agree on a few basic improvements that NEED to be delivered and hopefully get a nod from ZOS.

1. Inspect option:
Being able to see other peoples gear important super basic. Whats the point of spending an extra 100 hours getting all gold gear if no one can see it?

2. Capture the scroll:
We need basic timed pvp games, open world pvp is nice but not the end all. I would pvp alot more if I could sign up for a 30-90 minuet games through a group finder.
My idea is a mini 30v30 2 sided cryodiil on a 60 min. Timer. No cp allowd. No campaigns, game does not start without a full roster. This is stratagy teamwork and skilled based not CP. New players would be able to pvp right away and ENJOY IT. Console would NEED text chat for this to be able to cordinate attacks with randoms. Of course there would still be a channel 1, 2 or 3 teamspeak
Would anyone else like this pvp mode?

Console:
1. TEXT CHAT:
There is no reason for it not to be in the game. It's like playing wow on a gameboy. a wireless keyboard is 15$ on amazon.(price of a sub.) It should be activated in the menu and be able to be turned off.
Fact: I all ready use a wireless keyboard with my ps4, mostly to message people who refuse to join my vet gold key run chat even to listen. HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE MENU FOR A SINGLE MESSAGE IS AWEFULL.
I think the keyboard should have no options of macros, CHAT ONLY. This would keep things fair and make it easyer for the devs to implament.
MMO's a supposed to be social, but I can only communicate with a couple people at a time. I would love to be able to hop on guild chat, ask how people are doing and if anyone can tank/dps and dunegeon. I honestly only want to use my voice when in combat. Joing a guild chat with 20+ stangers all probbally in pvp then spamming with my voice in NOT FUN. Consoles are missing a huge a social part of the game

2. Damage Report:
Im not even asking for full dps mods. We need a after Dungeon Report of Dps/Healz/Damage Taken.
IMPORTANT FOR 12 man ANYTHING.

ESO companion app would be amazing, but not top of the list.

Afterthought: CP ranks are coming soon(tm) that is a step away from inspecting people. Im very interested in what ZOS has to say/had said about the gear inspection subject.

I can see why people think inspection could be toxic, but I think the postive and negative still balance out. We need a solid awnser from ZOS on in-game consol chat soon. I plan on stopping playing in a couple months if there is no word on console chat.

Console chat should be #1 priority for the longevity of this game.

Volkodav

Inspect option? Can you elaborate?

KingYogi415

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Inspect option? Can you elaborate?

We need to be able to inspect other players gear/weapons, hopefully the mana/health/stam too.

So if your tank is wearing all Leather/Cloth Armour you would know.

DeadlyPhoenix

KingYogi415 wrote: »

I would like to say ESO is becoming one of my favorite games of all time.
I could see playing ESO for a long time (and spending alot of money.)
I want to have a forum were we can agree on a few basic improvements that NEED to be delivered and hopefully get a nod from ZOS.

1. Inspect option:
Very important super basic, can anyone tell me why it's not in the game or not needed.

2. Capture the flag:
We need basic timed pvp games, open world pvp is nice but not the end all. I would pvp alot more if I could sign up for a 30-90 minuet games through a group finder.

Console:
1. TEXT CHAT:
Their is no reason for it not to be in the game. It's like playing wow on a gameboy. a wireless keyboard is 15$ on amazon.(price of a sub.) It should be activated in the menu and be able to be turned off.

2. Damage Report:
Im not even asking for full dps mods. We need a after Dungeon Report of Dps/Healz/Damage Taken.
IMPORTANT FOR 12 man ANYTHING

Last thing an ESO companion app would be amazing, but not top of the list.

I'm sure people can thinks of tons of other things they want in this game; but can we agree to put these things on the top of the list?

I agree that everything you said here is either somewhat needed or definitely needed.

Capture the flag is basically capture the elder scroll though, but I know what you mean, basically a game people queue up for and can have fun.

While inspecting other players to see their build would be nice, I don't think it should be the main priority as there are other things that would be more useful to the common player.

The damage report isn't necessary, but would be nice to know who did the most damage/healing and who took the most. Knowing these kinds of things enables you to find a good group of people you can run with regularly. If a dps did 500k less damage than your tank, clearly you wouldn't want to use him again.

Text chat though is a must have. I could not agree more.


Another thing they need to implement are active buff/debuffs on your screen with timers. So that you can see how much longer you have until you need to recast and you can tell what debuffs have been placed on you so you know if you need to remove them or not. Currently the only way to see this is by accessing your character sheet in the menu, which isn't viable in any fighting situation. This isn't just for yourself either, when in a group it should display your party members active buffs as well next to their name plate.

Volkodav

KingYogi415 wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Inspect option? Can you elaborate?

We need to be able to inspect other players gear/weapons, hopefully the mana/health/stam too.

So if your tank is wearing all Leather/Cloth Armour you would know.

Wouldnt it cause some players to be ostracized due to their gear not being what someone else feels is good enough? Leaving them left out of learning how to PvP?

KingYogi415

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Inspect option? Can you elaborate?

WWouldnt it cause some players to be ostracized due to their gear not being what someone else feels is good enough? Leaving them left out of learning how to PvP?

Or motivated to get better

DeadlyPhoenix

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Inspect option? Can you elaborate?

We need to be able to inspect other players gear/weapons, hopefully the mana/health/stam too.

So if your tank is wearing all Leather/Cloth Armour you would know.

Wouldnt it cause some players to be ostracized due to their gear not being what someone else feels is good enough? Leaving them left out of learning how to PvP?

While gear does help in pvp, being able to be battle leveled makes up for it so gear isn't as much of a priority unless you're Max level, in which case once again it helps, but is more about your CP in my opinion. No one is going to say "You can't run with us because your gear sucks." Simply because the more the merrier in Cryodiil and you want as many people as you can get to help take objectives.

Spearshard

Absolutely not to inspect. Inspecting gear is nothing other than elitism. Each different armor type looks different. If you have a tank wearing cloth, you'll know. Aside from that, this only leads to "oh, you aren't wearing this set, it you're armor isn't high enough, bye." There is enough elitism, we don't need to add more. Also, the deva are working on some of the functionality that add ons provide pc users, so we should be seeing dps counters, flying text, and hp numbers soon (tm). So, hopefully op you'll be seeing some of what you like soon!

Waffles_The_Great

I would love an inspect option. I have wanted this for a long time

KingYogi415

Spearshard wrote: »

Absolutely not to inspect. Inspecting gear is nothing other than elitism. Each different armor type looks different. If you have a tank wearing cloth, you'll know. Aside from that, this only leads to "oh, you aren't wearing this set, it you're armor isn't high enough, bye." There is enough elitism, we don't need to add more. Also, the deva are working on some of the functionality that add ons provide pc users, so we should be seeing dps counters, flying text, and hp numbers soon (tm). So, hopefully op you'll be seeing some of what you like soon!

Yes people could be a little more selective. I personly dont want to run a vet dungeon with someone who does not have a single piece of set gear.
Im tired of spending an hour healing and dpsing to get to a vet boss only to find out my dps cant do enough damage to even burn down the adds when I have to be full healer.
If you dont want to everr be judged in a game check out neopets!

Tavore1138

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Spearshard wrote: »

Absolutely not to inspect. Inspecting gear is nothing other than elitism. Each different armor type looks different. If you have a tank wearing cloth, you'll know. Aside from that, this only leads to "oh, you aren't wearing this set, it you're armor isn't high enough, bye." There is enough elitism, we don't need to add more. Also, the deva are working on some of the functionality that add ons provide pc users, so we should be seeing dps counters, flying text, and hp numbers soon (tm). So, hopefully op you'll be seeing some of what you like soon!

Yes people could be a little more selective. I personly dont want to run a vet dungeon with someone who does not have a single piece of set gear.
Im tired of spending an hour healing and dpsing to get to a vet boss only to find out my dps cant do enough damage to even burn down the adds when I have to be full healer.
If you dont want to everr be judged in a game check out neopets!

Lol, this answer is why inspect should never be allowed by default.

Waffles_The_Great

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Spearshard wrote: »

Absolutely not to inspect. Inspecting gear is nothing other than elitism. Each different armor type looks different. If you have a tank wearing cloth, you'll know. Aside from that, this only leads to "oh, you aren't wearing this set, it you're armor isn't high enough, bye." There is enough elitism, we don't need to add more. Also, the deva are working on some of the functionality that add ons provide pc users, so we should be seeing dps counters, flying text, and hp numbers soon (tm). So, hopefully op you'll be seeing some of what you like soon!

Yes people could be a little more selective. I personly dont want to run a vet dungeon with someone who does not have a single piece of set gear.
Im tired of spending an hour healing and dpsing to get to a vet boss only to find out my dps cant do enough damage to even burn down the adds when I have to be full healer.
If you dont want to everr be judged in a game check out neopets!

Lol, this answer is why inspect should never be allowed by default.

Why? Because we dont want to waste our time with a group who wont complete the dungeon because the lack of gear

Xendyn

1. Nope
2. There's arenas coming and other pvp objectives for those that don't want the AVA this game was set up to be. Dev Tracker is a good thing to follow.


1. Yep you guys need that.
2. SCT is coming

DeadlyPhoenix

Xendyn wrote: »

1. Nope
2. There's arenas coming and other pvp objectives for those that don't want the AVA this game was set up to be. Dev Tracker is a good thing to follow.


1. Yep you guys need that.
2. SCT is coming

I'm aware scrolling combat text is coming, but what about active buff notifications? Icons for each buff/debuff that sit above my skill bar or something, letting me know what active effects are on me with a timer. So I can see how much longer until my critical surge ends or when a HoT is about to wear off

KingYogi415

With battle leving people are useless without set armour. I wish someone had kicked my knightblade dps and told me i can get a full green set for less than 20k. i would have been a better player much sooner!

Tavore1138

Waffles_The_Great wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Spearshard wrote: »

Absolutely not to inspect. Inspecting gear is nothing other than elitism. Each different armor type looks different. If you have a tank wearing cloth, you'll know. Aside from that, this only leads to "oh, you aren't wearing this set, it you're armor isn't high enough, bye." There is enough elitism, we don't need to add more. Also, the deva are working on some of the functionality that add ons provide pc users, so we should be seeing dps counters, flying text, and hp numbers soon (tm). So, hopefully op you'll be seeing some of what you like soon!

Yes people could be a little more selective. I personly dont want to run a vet dungeon with someone who does not have a single piece of set gear.
Im tired of spending an hour healing and dpsing to get to a vet boss only to find out my dps cant do enough damage to even burn down the adds when I have to be full healer.
If you dont want to everr be judged in a game check out neopets!

Lol, this answer is why inspect should never be allowed by default.

Why? Because we dont want to waste our time with a group who wont complete the dungeon because the lack of gear

I have been in fully geared groups who couldn't stay out of the red and groups with average gear who swept through content without breathing hard - inspection in this context is simply judging the book from the cover in the worst way.

Also... actually asking people is viable too and less intrusive than sliding your probe in uninvited...

Inspection becomes a way for people who think they are good to exclude those they think are not, this is not high school.

Rune_Relic

We had a massive and ongoing debate about Inspect during the beta phases.

1. You don't like peoples gear....so leet players kick people. Despite the fact you didn't need the latest and bestest gear to complete content. The bar was not set that high to make the game inclusive.

It was decided the ability of players to play how they want far exceeded the ability of an individual to grief others and make a toxic environment.
That means you should worry about your own gear and performance rather than judge everyone elses.
You have the option to ASK THEM instead.

Huxide

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Spearshard wrote: »

Absolutely not to inspect. Inspecting gear is nothing other than elitism. Each different armor type looks different. If you have a tank wearing cloth, you'll know. Aside from that, this only leads to "oh, you aren't wearing this set, it you're armor isn't high enough, bye." There is enough elitism, we don't need to add more. Also, the deva are working on some of the functionality that add ons provide pc users, so we should be seeing dps counters, flying text, and hp numbers soon (tm). So, hopefully op you'll be seeing some of what you like soon!

Yes people could be a little more selective. I personly dont want to run a vet dungeon with someone who does not have a single piece of set gear.
Im tired of spending an hour healing and dpsing to get to a vet boss only to find out my dps cant do enough damage to even burn down the adds when I have to be full healer.
If you dont want to everr be judged in a game check out neopets!

if you want to know someone's gear just ask them, it's possible to link items, ya' know....
being able to inspect someone without them knowning about it could cause situations where someone is kicked without knowing why and that situation doesnt help anyone but the elitists who dont want to explain anyone how the game works or give some advices, your 'we dont want you here so geet gud scrub' attitude will make players less social in an MMO, a game which is meant to be social. stop looking at other players as your tools to reach your goal and start looking at them as people, people who might not know what you know and might need some advice but with the right knowledge and skill (skill as in talent, not your abilities, which leads me to my next point) could help you reach the goal....

and besides, unless you want to be able to inspect their skill setups too you cant know what their tactic is, and judging them by gear alone might be misleading.....

Molag_Crow

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Inspect option? Can you elaborate?

We need to be able to inspect other players gear/weapons, hopefully the mana/health/stam too.

So if your tank is wearing all Leather/Cloth Armour you would know.

Wouldnt it cause some players to be ostracized due to their gear not being what someone else feels is good enough? Leaving them left out of learning how to PvP?

I thought that too, but then maybe it could work if they added a option to allow others to inspect you, or not.

Mettaricana

No to inspect it gives elitist more fodder to kick players from party. If your like oh my belt isn't gold *kicked* or its not that set that is required by the min maxers to do this one pk edge *kicked its not worth it

Xendyn

CrowsDescend wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Inspect option? Can you elaborate?

We need to be able to inspect other players gear/weapons, hopefully the mana/health/stam too.

So if your tank is wearing all Leather/Cloth Armour you would know.

Wouldnt it cause some players to be ostracized due to their gear not being what someone else feels is good enough? Leaving them left out of learning how to PvP?

I thought that too, but then maybe it could work if they added a option to allow others to inspect you, or not.

Then they'd just kick you for not having the option on.

ADarklore

Funny how DCUO has the ability to inspect and it is the absolute most toxic environment to play in. You have players who are incredibly misinformed about what is and ISN'T important... and they refuse to accept how SKILL definitely makes up for any lack of what those elitists consider a 'requirement'. If we opened for gear inspect here, soon those same elitist players would want to be inspecting CP allocation; inspection creates MUCH MORE headache than it relieves. Perhaps, like is suggest in DCUO... if you have problems running with a PUG group, then only group with Guildmates. If you don't have any Guildmates available, then take what you get and either teach other players or don't PUG.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I have been in fully geared groups who couldn't stay out of the red and groups with average gear who swept through content without breathing hard - inspection in this context is simply judging the book from the cover in the worst way.

Also... actually asking people is viable too and less intrusive than sliding your probe in uninvited...

Inspection becomes a way for people who think they are good to exclude those they think are not, this is not high school.

+1 this. OP, if your concern is the difficulty in getting a group together that synergizes well with your build, you'd be better off building a circle of friends/guildmates you know you can fight well with. That has the added bonus that once you have those connections, you don't have to spend as much time in zone LFG.

daemonios

No inspect. It's a game killer. It will split the players into the haves and the have nots, according to whatever meta players think is acceptable. I've seen it in other games. Do not want.

Disclaimer: I have 4 VR16 characters, 3 of them I actively play, all in end-game gear, I do all the content as DD, tank and healer, and I still don't want this.

Digerati

1. I am vehemently against an inspect feature. I absolutely do not want to sit around critiquing people's gear, as I've done in so many other games. I do not want to discriminate or be discriminated against due to gear. I'm a higher-tier player but I'm also a privacy advocate. Keep the snoops out of my pack!! This is one feature that would greatly and tremendously hurt the game.

2. We definitely need some queued battlegrounds or other minimatches but I don't like your idea on what they should be. 60-90 minute games? lol that's so awkward... Quick-fun HOUR AND A HALF match...

No comment on the console plebicities...

LadyNalcarya

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Waffles_The_Great wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Spearshard wrote: »

Absolutely not to inspect. Inspecting gear is nothing other than elitism. Each different armor type looks different. If you have a tank wearing cloth, you'll know. Aside from that, this only leads to "oh, you aren't wearing this set, it you're armor isn't high enough, bye." There is enough elitism, we don't need to add more. Also, the deva are working on some of the functionality that add ons provide pc users, so we should be seeing dps counters, flying text, and hp numbers soon (tm). So, hopefully op you'll be seeing some of what you like soon!

Yes people could be a little more selective. I personly dont want to run a vet dungeon with someone who does not have a single piece of set gear.
Im tired of spending an hour healing and dpsing to get to a vet boss only to find out my dps cant do enough damage to even burn down the adds when I have to be full healer.
If you dont want to everr be judged in a game check out neopets!

Lol, this answer is why inspect should never be allowed by default.

Why? Because we dont want to waste our time with a group who wont complete the dungeon because the lack of gear

I have been in fully geared groups who couldn't stay out of the red and groups with average gear who swept through content without breathing hard - inspection in this context is simply judging the book from the cover in the worst way.

Also... actually asking people is viable too and less intrusive than sliding your probe in uninvited...

Inspection becomes a way for people who think they are good to exclude those they think are not, this is not high school.

I agree.
Once I joined a random group to help people with some speedrun achievements and my healer was pulling more damage than both fully-geared dds (and I mean top notch 1.6 gear, golden MK and Ravager's). It was just terrible, the dds couldnt move out of red and just spammed random skills and attacks. When I asked them about their dps (because it was obvious that we're not getting a speedrun), they posted very low numbers and I asked them to link the gear... Golden best in slot items.
Yeah, its hard to do high dps with random vendor trash gear, but having good gear doesnt mean that the run wont be problematic. And inspect feature will likely cause problems with these pseudo-elitist Deltia fans and other guide readers who believe that golden gear automatically makes you a good player.

DannyLV702

I don't agree with people being able to see my stats.

Ruben

I wouldn't mind if it were added to the circle of interaction and you had to agree. Just like a trade, but showing each other's equipment.

ADarklore

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And inspect feature will likely cause problems with these pseudo-elitist Deltia fans and other guide readers who believe that golden gear automatically makes you a good player.

And that is exactly what you have in DCUO... people thinking your stats/gear is what gets people through content, not "skill". A skilled player can take crap gear and be successful, however, a poor player cannot take top gear and accomplish the same thing.

Shadowstep2003

I think rather than inspection individual pieces of gear as well as sets should have gear ratings. This would be a numerical calculation based on raw stats including the glyphs tied to your armor.

Each dungeon would then have a recommended gear rating.

I think the root cause for the desire of an inspection option is basically ease of mind that you are grouping with someone who at the very least has the gear necessary to be competent (if not the skills / knowledge).

As long as you know that the person is at the recommended rating for the dungeon everything else you can coach verbally throughout the dungeon encounters.

ajwest927

1. Inspect option:
Being able to see other peoples gear important super basic. Whats the point of spending an extra 100 hours getting all gold gear if no one can see it?

So people can exclude other people from doing dungeon if their stats don't meet their requirements for dungeon or trials?

1. TEXT CHAT:
There is no reason for it not to be in the game. It's like playing wow on a gameboy. a wireless keyboard is 15$ on amazon.(price of a sub.) It should be activated in the menu and be able to be turned off.

1. So we got to spend more money to communicate those who are too lazy to use their headset
2. It's not very effective in a zerg group when a the group leader giving out commands like every 2 seconds.
3. For dungeon, trials and dsa, who has time to type out how the mechanics work to new player. While in battle do you want to type out to your group to block, dodge or attack a certain addss or boss?