Exploits in PVP

Egonieser

Faction swapping and althopping is not a exploit, get your facts right. They are not abusing bugs or using hacks thus not exploiting.
It's dirty and unsportsmanlike maybe, doesn't means it's illegal or an exploit.
Got issues with it? Start up a raid and stop them instead of moaning on forums.

As for getting in keeps with gapclosers... Gray area, done it myself, hard to avoid if you siege and people go in and out of keep doors.

Catblade

What gets me is not only do they have no plans to stop it, they actually plan to remove alliance restrictions and make it even easier to do. Meaning i can have Characters from every alliance in the same server.

mdylan2013

daemonios wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lastly ZOS are not able to talk about any actions they take so you won't get a confirmation anywhere (unless they rant on forums/reddit) that a ban actually took place.

Oh, but they ARE able to talk about them. They just won't do it, keeping any rules on actionable behaviour fuzzy.

IMHO they NEED to publicise disciplinary actions. Even if they don't name names. Just say x people were banned/temp banned for y behaviour.

But hey, it's their game, their rules. I gave up on PvP and I know I'm not the only one.

I like that idea, people will actually see what certain behaviours are not allowed. The rules are very vague from what I see.

mdylan2013

Egonieser wrote: »

Faction swapping and althopping is not a exploit, get your facts right. They are not abusing bugs or using hacks thus not exploiting.
It's dirty and unsportsmanlike maybe, doesn't means it's illegal or an exploit.
Got issues with it? Start up a raid and stop them instead of moaning on forums.

As for getting in keeps with gapclosers... Gray area, done it myself, hard to avoid if you siege and people go in and out of keep doors.

They're exploiting the fact that they can't be stopped from taking the scroll to their 'home' alliance. There was nothing that could be done from the EP side to stop them as we couldn't attack them. They met up with a large group of Daggerfall.

Catblade

They can do all the million dollar giveaways and stupid PR stunts they want but until they take their game seriously no one else will. How you gonna make the best AVA in the genre and let it become trivialized by trolls? I'll even offer a somewhat solution. Scrolls can't be run by one guy every 60 seconds they are dropped and have to change hands. A legit group would have no problem from this and a cheater would have the chance to lose the scroll and his alliance take it back.

vamp_emily

Players like the OP describes should be banned from PvP. Strict rules and following through on the punishment will help stop people from doing this kind of thing.

CavalierPrime

I hate to hear this, because I play ps4 azuras. Not surprised its Daggerfall doing this. They only accomplish things with massive Zergs and apparently dirty play to boot. Aldmeri at least shows me they have skills when they roll me. I get nervous when I see yellow. I get malicious when I see blue.

XANTITHESISX

KewaG wrote: »

Any character going against their faction should be killable. This should be a valid way to play the game, the ability to go against your faction, but there should also be consequences for it. They should be killable and there should be a faction wide alert to inform everyone of the traitor and possibly a bounty placed on their head until its collected or after a certain period of time.

I love this idea!!!

XANTITHESISX

Stikato wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

@Cazzy @mdylan2013 you guys are both aware that running the scroll to the other faction is in fact NOT an exploit and is also ruled as legit play right?

BrianWheeler has already stated running the scroll to an opposite factions control is fair play

As for the actual exploits people are doing..... GG. Been barking up that tree for people to get banned for abusing them (those people are still here)since I began PvP (been playing since beta) and for them to get fixed(exploits still here).

Wheeler is 100% mistaken then. That is a ridiculous statement to make. I know it's obviously just a game, and some people like screwing around, but if the developers don't take their own game more seriously than that, people are going to stop investing time into playing it.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

People will also stop spending money to play.... not only are these people cheating the AP system but them ZoS plans to reward them with new gear only obtained from Dungeons. It makes no sense to me. Every action should have a consequence.

mdylan2013

CavalierPrime wrote: »

I hate to hear this, because I play ps4 azuras. Not surprised its Daggerfall doing this. They only accomplish things with massive Zergs and apparently dirty play to boot. Aldmeri at least shows me they have skills when they roll me. I get nervous when I see yellow. I get malicious when I see blue.

Yellows roll with massive zergs on the PS4 AZ Star. But then they probably say the same about us EP

UltimaJoe777

Catblade wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

@Cazzy @mdylan2013 you guys are both aware that running the scroll to the other faction is in fact NOT an exploit and is also ruled as legit play right?

BrianWheeler has already stated running the scroll to an opposite factions control is fair play

As for the actual exploits people are doing..... GG. Been barking up that tree for people to get banned for abusing them (those people are still here)since I began PvP (been playing since beta) and for them to get fixed(exploits still here).

I don't care what Brian Wheeler says is fair everyone knows it's not fair. It just goes to prove he should not be in charge because he is completely out of touch with the game. I don't want people to even get bans I just want them to stop and play fair. If it's a scrolls server and they are running the scrolls to the enemy it's completely game breaking.

All's fair in love and war. Dirty doesn't mean unfair.

KewaG wrote: »

Any character going against their faction should be killable. This should be a valid way to play the game, the ability to go against your faction, but there should also be consequences for it. They should be killable and there should be a faction wide alert to inform everyone of the traitor and possibly a bounty placed on their head until its collected or after a certain period of time.

I am all for friendly fire also lol

CavalierPrime wrote: »

I hate to hear this, because I play ps4 azuras. Not surprised its Daggerfall doing this. They only accomplish things with massive Zergs and apparently dirty play to boot. Aldmeri at least shows me they have skills when they roll me. I get nervous when I see yellow. I get malicious when I see blue.

They serve Emeric well then don't they?

Catblade

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

@Cazzy @mdylan2013 you guys are both aware that running the scroll to the other faction is in fact NOT an exploit and is also ruled as legit play right?

BrianWheeler has already stated running the scroll to an opposite factions control is fair play

As for the actual exploits people are doing..... GG. Been barking up that tree for people to get banned for abusing them (those people are still here)since I began PvP (been playing since beta) and for them to get fixed(exploits still here).

I don't care what Brian Wheeler says is fair everyone knows it's not fair. It just goes to prove he should not be in charge because he is completely out of touch with the game. I don't want people to even get bans I just want them to stop and play fair. If it's a scrolls server and they are running the scrolls to the enemy it's completely game breaking.

All's fair in love and war. Dirty doesn't mean unfair.

Sounds right

UltimaJoe777

Catblade wrote: »

Sounds right maybe I'll pay someone to hack their psn account next time and change password/email. Might as well i got the cash

I said dirty not illegal lol

Catblade

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

Sounds right maybe I'll pay someone to hack their psn account next time and change password/email. Might as well i got the cash

I said dirty not illegal lol

Catch me if you can

UltimaJoe777

Catblade wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

Sounds right maybe I'll pay someone to hack their psn account next time and change password/email. Might as well i got the cash

I said dirty not illegal lol

Catch me if you can

Sorry saving my catchup for these fries.

Catblade

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

Sounds right maybe I'll pay someone to hack their psn account next time and change password/email. Might as well i got the cash

I said dirty not illegal lol

Catch me if you can

Sorry saving my catchup for these fries.

lol nice. I prefer catsup

Cazzy

It's unfair by definition as there's no way to counteract or prevent it

XANTITHESISX

Cazzy wrote: »

It's unfair by definition as there's no way to counteract or prevent it

I respectfully disagree...

KOS comes to mind

spawn_to_kill

i dragon leap into castles but not with help i enjoy it and think every class should have a sneaky way into a keep like that as it spices a seige up a bit an 9 times out of ten i die anyway

RAGUNAnoOne

daemonios wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lastly ZOS are not able to talk about any actions they take so you won't get a confirmation anywhere (unless they rant on forums/reddit) that a ban actually took place.

Oh, but they ARE able to talk about them. They just won't do it, keeping any rules on actionable behaviour fuzzy.

IMHO they NEED to publicise disciplinary actions. Even if they don't name names. Just say x people were banned/temp banned for y behaviour.

But hey, it's their game, their rules. I gave up on PvP and I know I'm not the only one.

Yes they need to do that I would love to see this, I go on the Nexus mods public warning page every 3 days I think it helps (some) people stay in line knowing that there ARE consequences instead of guessing. also making bans and warnings public adds that much more of an aversion to getting banned because your name will be forever soiled.

Islyn

Sausage wrote: »

Add Mercenary, Loyal, and Pacifist system. Its quite simple, if you need gold you play as Mercenary, and are sent to low pop alliance. Loyalist are the finest warriors of your faction and should be rewarded, and Pacifist is just for carebears and should be rewarded as well.

I actually love this! With timers on swapping disciplines though.

Olen_Mikko

It is PvP, ZOS couldn't care less.

But try to ruin PvE in any way and they send dark brotherhood after you.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

OGLezard wrote: »

@Cazzy @mdylan2013 you guys are both aware that running the scroll to the other faction is in fact NOT an exploit and is also ruled as legit play right?

BrianWheeler has already stated running the scroll to an opposite factions control is fair play

As for the actual exploits people are doing..... GG. Been barking up that tree for people to get banned for abusing them (those people are still here)since I began PvP (been playing since beta) and for them to get fixed(exploits still here).

They said that after stating that it was not okay but after not being able to fix it.

They wanted to "fix" so many things but it would hurt streamers so it's not done the free Gameplay promotes the game.

DRXHarbinger

Last emporer on XB did all this recently. Was a pretty beast DK too. Made me quite happy when I found him wandering too far from his friends and crushed him (took 5 mins) but even on console this is going on. Emporer is always well over 100,000 points in the lead. Keep swapping is going on right now on Azuras. Shame as a lot of people really PTFO on this but amazingly a small amount of *** heads, a mere 20 odd helmets can actually change the face of the game. I could even write down their names I know all of them in game.

Greiver

It's not just blues doing it. Watched many others from red and yellow do this. What do you expect when you play for any alliance. Yes it's stupid and a cheap tactic. Zenimax should do something about it.

NeillMcAttack

Farming Imperial City yesterday, In the Arboretum myself and a couple other reds get ganked by yellows. Whatever, *** happens, until i notice they are not killing one of us reds.There was a red player wandering IC and calling out to his yellow friends and telling them where any stealthed reds were.

Absolutely ridiculous, this kind of thing has the potential to destroy any kind of balance in IC ruining the ability for small scale groups to enjoy the paid DLC.

Catblade

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Farming Imperial City yesterday, In the Arboretum myself and a couple other reds get ganked by yellows. Whatever, *** happens, until i notice they are not killing one of us reds.There was a red player wandering IC and calling out to his yellow friends and telling them where any stealthed reds were.

Absolutely ridiculous, this kind of thing has the potential to destroy any kind of balance in IC ruining the ability for small scale groups to enjoy the paid DLC.

Been like that since day one for me. Yellow walking with reds shooting his inferno staff to where i am stealthed. Funny if you can kill his friends and teabag them in front of him though

Galvanize

Im pretty sure I know who youre on about but I wont name who, the kid came into the postern door in the lumbermill while I was tower farming thinking my group was DC (im AD). Sad stuff but theres no way to counteract it unfortunately.

Rune_Relic

XANTITHESISX wrote: »

KewaG wrote: »

Any character going against their faction should be killable. This should be a valid way to play the game, the ability to go against your faction, but there should also be consequences for it. They should be killable and there should be a faction wide alert to inform everyone of the traitor and possibly a bounty placed on their head until its collected or after a certain period of time.

I love this idea!!!

These players destroy the game for everyone.
So let everyone destroy the game for these players.
Mark them Traitor....make them attackable by all alliances.
The traitor tag sticks for the remainder of the campaign.
Traitors get marked on map when active.

myrrrorb14_ESO

Working as intended.

They would have fixed it by now if it wasn't. It's been over a year and you can still grab your own scroll from its keep and run with it. There is still no method to tag / kill spies in your alliance?

Can't tell you how many times I've been tempted to jump alliance and run with the scroll. Sounds fun, to dance in front of an army of red with there scroll.