So, ZOS... Any Plans To Nerf Wrecking Blow?

Molag_Crow

A lot of us are curious.




Edit: One brilliant post to explain it all!

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The problem with Wrecking Blow is that it has far too much power placed into itself (For PvP, in PvE it is very lack luster). Let's dissect wrecking blow in it's current state to find out what I mean.

-1 Second Cast Time
-Requires a Target
-7 Meter Range
-1607 Cost (with full medium armor, balanced blade passive, and 15% cost reduc from CP, no stamina reduc jewelry)
-1.96:1 weapon damage scaling coefficient and .1867:1 stamina scaling coefficient
-Empower on next ability
-Able to weave fully charged heavy attacks with no down time between casts, giving 5%+ stamina return and increasing the next attack by 10% (WB-> 20% stronger full charged HA -> 10% stronger WB -> repeat)
-4 Meter knockback and 3.5 second stun every hit. (Procs exploiter passive from Champion points)

Some of these points are rather obvious is why they are advantageous, some are not. Let's go through the lesser known obvious powers.

-Cast time cannot be bashed unlike other casts such as crystal frags.
-Requiring a target means that the ability will always land after casted as long as they stay in range (which sometimes is longer than 7 meters) compared to a free casted ability such as jabs/arrow spray/cleave/etc.
-7 meter range is rather finicky and often time goes further than the range states, and out ranges many other melee abilities.
-Cost to cast is extremely low for a 1s cast time, most "instant" damage abilities cost ~200 less but can be casted at ~150% the frequency, draining stamina much quicker.
-The ability to clip fully charged heavy attacks heavily negates the need for stamina and has no indication of if it is being done or not unless you run a damage recording addon that shows the source. Other abilities can be animation canceled but still have slight visual indicators, and deal much less damage in comparison. Clipping fully charged heavy attacks that hit at the exact time as a casted ability is NOT animation canceling in line with how the priority system is meant to work, it is a clear bug as you cannot do this with any other abilities.
-High damage scaling coefficients due to being a cast make offensive stat stacking even more potent than with other builds. To put into comparison, Surprise Attack has a 1.35091:1 weapon damage and .128625:1 stamina scaling coefficient, much less than Wrecking Blow.

The fact that this ability has so many innate steroids and utility within itself is mind boggling. No other ability in game is this jam packed in nature to cater to toxic PvP playstyles, so why is it still here?

Sausage

I hope not, its one of the last skills of what against you need to dodge or block, dodging and blocking was meant to be useful right? Lets not turn this into standard game.

RAGUNAnoOne

Better idea buff other moves especially DK/Temp class skills, Destruction staff, and 1H shield to be competitive with it.

Jura23

lol that guy looks almost like my char, just a little more fat.

Ackwalan

Instead of nerfing wrecking blow, fix animation canceling.

Emma_Overload

I have mixed feelings about this:

1) I hate getting "rekt" by WB spammers in PvP. Hardened Ward is totally inadequate to defend against this attack. BUT...

2) Stam Sorcs don't have ANY viable alternatives to Wrecking Blow!

Maybe the solution is to buff OTHER abilities, both offensive and defensive, so that Wrecking Blow isn't so problematic.

Alec508

I won't lie it is the most annoying skill. I stopped using it because I felt cheap and I just knew the guy on the other end was saying "wow look at this wb noob" the way I do when it happens to me. I love using combinations not just spamming one skill but hey different strokes for different folks.

Edit: but to nerf it? Ehh I don't think so I'm against any nerfs at all. But maybe not being able to animation cancel wb would help ?

UltimaJoe777

M'aiq the Liar: They say curiousity killed the cat, but this one thinks they are racist.

Rook_Master

Let's just go back to making it interruptible like it was in 1.5. It was way more balanced back then.

ArcVelarian

Its the only really useful 2h ability, so a nerf is out of the question. Buffing DK and Templar abilities would probably make WB spam less of a thing.

Sausage

Add long reach spears to kill WB-spammers?

Morimizo

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Maybe the solution is to buff OTHER abilities, both offensive and defensive, so that Wrecking Blow isn't so problematic.

Thanks for the laugh, truly; it's good fun to speculate on the completely impossible.

Relax OP, the nerf hammer is currently being reforged, so it can hold up to continuous use more efficiently. And this "coming soon" is a promise, a threat, and an imminent event.

timidobserver

I would prefer a 25% physical damage reduction passive like Hardy and ED.

Kammakazi

The problem is Wrecking Blow is the only worthwhile ability in any melee tree that does damage...

-_-

MrGrimey

Sausage wrote: »

I hope not, its one of the last skills of what against you need to dodge or block, dodging and blocking was meant to be useful right? Lets not turn this into standard game.

Not saying to nerf wrecking blow, but blocking has a no stam regen penalty and rolling has a hefty penalty as well

I think if anything, the CC needs adjusting

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Ackwalan wrote: »

Instead of nerfing wrecking blow, fix animation canceling.

Amen.

And ofc fix WB because currently has bigger range than magicka based ability :P far exceeding the length of any 2H weapon.

SemiD4rkness

They should buff your brain so you can counter a normal ability.

Tankqull

Kammakazi wrote: »

The problem is Wrecking Blow is the only worthwhile ability in any melee tree that does damage...

-_-

the problem is its borked range :P 7m is fine, bolting away from an attacker while he is stepping back being hit 20+m away from him knocked out of his gapcloser range is totally bogus...

Morimizo

Sausage wrote: »

Add long reach spears to kill WB-spammers?

This a very reasonable suggestion, but against ZOS/Bethesda policy for players to use polearms. Most likely a secret Daedric contract signed in 2003, not sure what they got in return.

UltimaJoe777

Here's a question: Why is it that people think WB is the only viable melee attack skill just because it alongside Snipe has the highest base DPS barring Ultimates in the game? Discuss

Gaiden'Densetsu

Kammakazi wrote: »

The problem is Wrecking Blow is the only worthwhile ability in any melee tree that does damage...

-_-

Agreed, I keep trying to go back to DW but then all you have is steel tornado, maybe if they buffed rapid strikes or something it might lead people away from WB. As far as a nurf for WB, why?? if you like it use it, if you are getting spanked by it learn to move.

robkrush

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Here's a question: Why is it that people think WB is the only viable melee attack skill just because it alongside Snipe has the highest base DPS barring Ultimates in the game? Discuss

Because of Rally, not to mention executioner (for the passive). You need rally. Since you've already committed to using a 2h, for rally, might as well use WB. If dual wield had a similar buff more people would use it. But then we really have more of a problem with spin-to-win.

daemonios

robkrush wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Here's a question: Why is it that people think WB is the only viable melee attack skill just because it alongside Snipe has the highest base DPS barring Ultimates in the game? Discuss

Because of Rally, not to mention executioner (for the passive). You need rally. Since you've already committed to using a 2h, for rally, might as well use WB. If dual wield had a similar buff more people would use it. But then we really have more of a problem with spin-to-win.

Dual wielding is for MAGICKA builds, didn't you get the memo?

Callous2208

I haven't landed a clean wb in forever. Everyone just moves out of range, blocks, or rolls. I just keep it on the bar because you know, what else does a stamplar have? How are people using this so effectively? Out of stealth?

robkrush

Callous2208 wrote: »

I haven't landed a clean wb in forever. Everyone just moves out of range, blocks, or rolls. I just keep it on the bar because you know, what else does a stamplar have? How are people using this so effectively? Out of stealth?

CC then WB.

leepalmer95

Callous2208 wrote: »

I haven't landed a clean wb in forever. Everyone just moves out of range, blocks, or rolls. I just keep it on the bar because you know, what else does a stamplar have? How are people using this so effectively? Out of stealth?

Don't say that then people will call you a liar because wb is god, you can't simply block it or walk through them! Oh wait...

All these nerf threads...

robkrush

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I haven't landed a clean wb in forever. Everyone just moves out of range, blocks, or rolls. I just keep it on the bar because you know, what else does a stamplar have? How are people using this so effectively? Out of stealth?

Don't say that then people will call you a liar because wb is god, you can't simply block it or walk through them! Oh wait...

All these nerf threads...

...or interrupt it. That templar jabs thing interrupts it so agaist a mag temp spamming that *** i have to fight hard with everything else.

Callous2208

robkrush wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I haven't landed a clean wb in forever. Everyone just moves out of range, blocks, or rolls. I just keep it on the bar because you know, what else does a stamplar have? How are people using this so effectively? Out of stealth?

CC then WB.

Ah gotcha. So basically my temp will never be using wb to its full potential.

robkrush

Callous2208 wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I haven't landed a clean wb in forever. Everyone just moves out of range, blocks, or rolls. I just keep it on the bar because you know, what else does a stamplar have? How are people using this so effectively? Out of stealth?

CC then WB.

Ah gotcha. So basically my temp will never be using wb to its full potential.

You lead with that flying spear attack that knocks down enemies, plus it's great mobility a perfect opener, then jabs or WB. That's all you need as a temp. Use immovable and rally(if you use WB) prior to leaping. Maybe some wards or heals. Maybe purifying light right before your leap to mark them and add to your damage.

Thelon

Morimizo wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Add long reach spears to kill WB-spammers?

Most likely a secret Daedric contract signed in 2003, not sure what they got in return.

The Clockwork whispered long and low, and what he said no mortal can know.

altemriel

CrowsDescend wrote: »

A lot of us are curious.

NO NO AND AGAIN NO !!