Fix to shield stacking: Magicka regen should be ZERO when a shield is active

robkrush

Kammakazi

Makkir

Can we declare a day of the week National Sorcs appreciation Day where you are not allowed to make a nerf sorcs thread?

Forestd16b14_ESO

Kammakazi wrote: »

How about yes since ZOS clearly aren't gonna remove shield stacking.

olsborg

Shields should be dotable and crittable.

Eirella

Kammakazi wrote: »

Draxys

lol

MrGigglypants

I'm more for justhe classifying shields as major minor and making people choose between healing ward and other shields and then go back and buff temps and dk shields.

Lenikus

.... Is shield stacking that much of an issue? I really haven't seen many people still like that in the few hours i spend in pvp a week.

Oh... I'm not in azura so that must be it then... anyhowz;
@ Thread.
NO, because UNLIKE BLOCKING, the shield you have can be the 1k'ish you get from a heavy attack with an Ice staff, or the 10k shield you get when you use healing ward on execute range.
Shield (stacking) It's not a same for all fixed damage mitigation that consumes an attribute.

BRogueNZ

I agree. In fact remove magicka from the game completely.

Kammakazi

How is shield stacking a problem anyways?

The average Magicka player (assuming Sorcerer) probably has 7k - 8k shields. 10k+ if they have Bound Aegis + Magelight + Undaunted + Mono-stat Magicka or Dual-Stat Magicka food. That only leaves 1 free slot in their main bar, since Crystal Fragments and Velocious Curse/Inevitable Detonation. It also leaves 2 free slots in their secondary bar, since Hardened Ward is a necessity.

You know how easy it is to stack Weapon Damage/Spell Damage nowadays? Wrecking Blow tooltips are over 16k+, Crystal Fragments 13k+, Snipes 13k+, Surprise Attacks/Concealed Weapons 13k+.

Once a person puts pressure on you, you're forced to go completely defensive since they hit so hard, you're spamming Hardened Ward and probably Healing Ward.

NateAssassin

robkrush

Aoife32001

Trolling

Waseem

i agree, as long as sorc will have 30k spell resistance and 30k physical resistance, like tanks

Master_Kas

There need to be some cost or regen penalty on spamming damage shields.

Not the stacking thats the biggest issue, it's that they can continue to spam them like crazy.

k2blader

Kammakazi wrote: »

How is shield stacking a problem anyways?

The average Magicka player (assuming Sorcerer) probably has 7k - 8k shields. 10k+ if they have Bound Aegis + Magelight + Undaunted + Mono-stat Magicka or Dual-Stat Magicka food. That only leaves 1 free slot in their main bar, since Crystal Fragments and Velocious Curse/Inevitable Detonation. It also leaves 2 free slots in their secondary bar, since Hardened Ward is a necessity.

You know how easy it is to stack Weapon Damage/Spell Damage nowadays? Wrecking Blow tooltips are over 16k+, Crystal Fragments 13k+, Snipes 13k+, Surprise Attacks/Concealed Weapons 13k+.

Once a person puts pressure on you, you're forced to go completely defensive since they hit so hard, you're spamming Hardened Ward and probably Healing Ward.

Great post. I think a lot of the shield stack complaints come from folks who don't need to stack shields, e.g. those who don't play a magicka sorc/build (as a main or with any seriousness :-P) that uses shields, and those who play high-CP'd and geared magicka sorcs/builds who have larger, much-more-effective "base" shields and/or heals.

As someone who fits neither of the above categories, until Zeni changes the CP system to provide physical damage mitigation equivalent to its magic and spell damage mitigation and re-evaluates and designs my class/build to have sufficient non-shield defense options, I will "stack" shields however the heck I please.

DannyLV702

All they gotta do is have harness and hardened replace each other when casted. Can't believe people come up with such BS ideas. This is the second thread on this today...

TX12001rwb17_ESO

How about change it so the enemy cannot heal themselves while they have an active shield?

MrBeatDown

I got almost 25k damage shield on my sorc with healing ward and hardened ward up. It really does need some kind of nerf. I also have around 2k magic regen too, So it is so simple to spam cast them to stay alive. Its all about timing. If they simply stop magic regen while shields are up people will just use Dark conversion and trade off stamina for magic and crank up the stamina regen in order to get around magic regen just to stack shields. The shields themselves need to be reworked. Its being abused and if you go look at VMA you will always see 100 sorcs that complete it. Go look at the other classes and compare to get the point. In PvP the shields just turn you into god mode. Sorcs are the most OP class in teh game right now because of shields. Either roll a sorc or GTFO of this game. Its the FOTM right now and Eric Rofl doesnt care.

Praeficere

Make it so you that you can't refresh a certain shield until that certain shield has expired/been destroyed. Weed out the easy riders and make it more rewarding to play. I seem to recall Healing Ward being like this, might just be my imagination.

J2JMC

I'm telling you people. Look not at the sky but what's beneath your feet. A.k.a the mines.

riverdragon72

MrBeatDown

J2JMC wrote: »

I'm telling you people. Look not at the sky but what's beneath your feet. A.k.a the mines.

Its got nothing to do with the mines.....Mines are a nuisance but not as bad as shields. Maybe they should just make the shields so that they are only 50% of what they are in pve. I cant tell you how many times ive beat on sorcs, knocked then down, and continued to repeatedly bet on them, while they take no damage, for them to just simply hit hardened ward and healing ward while regenerating at least 2k magic per 2 seconds, keeping the shield essentially "spammed" and taking no damage. Its ridiculous that a class that wears light armor is harder to kill than a heavy armor user.

Ezareth

Dracane

olsborg wrote: »

Shields should be dotable and crittable.

Seriously Oslborg, how outdated are you ? Shields ARE dotable since quite some time now.
God....

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Dracane wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Shields should be dotable and crittable.

Seriously Oslborg, how outdated are you ? Shields ARE dotable since quite some time now.
God....

Great, now lets make them crittable, then unnerf them, restore softcaps and delete the champion system. Then shields will be fine.

NovaShadow

Ran into several sorcs with 20k+ shields today. I didn't even bother trying to attack em, pointless.

Dracane

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Shields should be dotable and crittable.

Seriously Oslborg, how outdated are you ? Shields ARE dotable since quite some time now.
God....

Great, now lets make them crittable, then unnerf them, restore softcaps and delete the champion system. Then shields will be fine.

Nope.

Zenimax gave you an overpowered counter set. If you have so many issues with breaking through shields, even though they are merely a joke to what they used to be, use shielbreaker and learn how to CC.

There won't be any other changes. You got this set, shield got reduced by enough and it's good now.

GreenSoup2HoT

I'd rather just shield's be crit-able.

However i do think pure 100% weapon damage build's would need to be toned down in order to do so.



This game is boring. Everyone rocks the same gear setup ( if you wear a none meta setup i congratulate you, your the reason the game has some dynamic game-play.) As it is right now, every single build i see is exactly the same, same skills same everything.

There's just not enough variety. Hopefully we see more variety with set's and skill's in the coming future. Next dlc will decided weather if i stay or if i go.

MrGrimey

Shield stacking isn't even that bad in pvp anymore... Try fighting a 1h/shield stam DK, then come back and complain about shields