New Set: testing Pariah

Ipsius

I recently decided to conduct some tests on the Pariah set to determine its usefulness as a tanky set.

For my experiments, I lowered my armor to near enough a round number (10,208). The tooltip on equipped Pariah equipment stated the max armor added would be 8,019 based on missing health.

I then used Equilibrium from the mage's guild skill line to lower my HP, noted the %, and checked the increase in armor. Results below:

70% HP: 12698 pdef, 2,490 increase. 83 armor added per percent missing health

52% HP: 14275 pdef, 4,067 increase. 84.7 armor added per percent missing health

18% HP: 17097 pdef, 6,889 increase. 84 armor added per percent missing health

2% HP: 18425 pdef, 8217 increase (larger than tooltip max??). 83.8 armor added per percent missing health.

I tested again with food on to raise my hp, and the boosts in defense are purely based on % of max health regardless of what your max health is.

So, the question is... Is this set at all worth it? 84 armor per percent missing does not sound like a lot, and you have to get very, very low on hp before it even starts to come close to the max defense stated on the tooltip.

What do you all think?

Forestd16b14_ESO

No saddly but no to much risk for little to no reward and you can forget about using it in PvP since most players exploit and have 50%+ penetration turning that 8000 res bonus to 4000 and less.

Like ZOS just hates stamina and tank players only reason I can think of why HA sucks and why the past 2 DLC the "tank" sets are just meh.

Like I though armor master would have been a amazing set but you need to use one of the lack luster armor skills. Like LA skill only works for magic attacks, MA one grants a small chance of dodging 1 attack out of who knows how many, and immovable just got nerfed to oblivion 10X over cause players abused it.

Side note I do think deaths wind needs buffs to have a decrease cool down time maybe to 15 or even 10 seconds instead of 30.

Sharkano

I disagree. Those numbers can make the set very worthwhile for a tank -- not for others, probably.

Bashev

In PvP is worthless in PvE there is no content that is up to date and requires a dedicated tank.

Just for the joke - you can use it in VMA and be OP.

Sharkano

Well, plenty of groups still want a tank. Not to say people haven't been fleeing the role, given that they are hosed in vet maelstrom and ZOS nerfs them over and over for no good reason. However, they are very helpful in certain dungeons.

Ipsius

I mean... You COULD use 3 pieces of its jewelry and 2 pieces of heavy armor set pieces and still get the 5 piece passives from light or heavy... So there's that I guess...

Though it's hard to imagine a reason to trade willpower/agility/endurance for such a setup.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Bashev wrote: »

In PvP is worthless in PvE there is no content that is up to date and requires a dedicated tank.

Just for the joke - you can use it in VMA and be OP.

True tanks are just out of date to be it as cleanly as it can be for both PvE and PvP and it's just sad. Who has heard of a MMOGRPG with out tanks?

hrothbern

Sharkano wrote: »

I disagree. Those numbers can make the set very worthwhile for a tank -- not for others, probably.

@Sharkano ,

You mean a true tank, in a taunting Tank role in a Group?

Or a "tanky" character?

Sharkano

I mean a true tank. Having high resistances is very helpful. Even if you are past the hard cap, I have read (though don't know for sure) that resistance reducers from an opponent still take your over-cap amount into account (i.e., if cap is 32k and you would have 42k, and boss has -10k spell, you would then be at 32k, not 22k). For those who say this set cannot compare with agility or endurance, for a tank I am not so sure. If you get stam on all jewelry pieces, that matches up, and you are basically trading some attributes for more resistances. Plus, don't forget you get the rest of the bonuses on the set. Thus, you have to look at all the plusses and minuses.

hrothbern

Sharkano wrote: »

I mean a true tank. Having high resistances is very helpful. Even if you are past the hard cap, I have read (though don't know for sure) that resistance reducers from an opponent still take your over-cap amount into account (i.e., if cap is 32k and you would have 42k, and boss has -10k spell, you would then be at 32k, not 22k). For those who say this set cannot compare with agility or endurance, for a tank I am not so sure. If you get stam on all jewelry pieces, that matches up, and you are basically trading some attributes for more resistances. Plus, don't forget you get the rest of the bonuses on the set. Thus, you have to look at all the plusses and minuses.

To my knowledge, Bosses do not have Penetration.
So once you reached 31.5k Armor Resist you are at max for Dungeons.

I think most Tanks want to be close to that 31.5k at 80-100% Health. Always prepared for the big blow.
And the Pariah set gives at 80% Health only 1.600 increase in Armor Resist.

Preyfar

I would only agree Pariah could be worth it if the maximum armor proc'd at either 25 or 50% of your health. Having the armor fully give me benefits when I'm at 0.1% health doesn't do me a lot of good.

CP5

This reminds me of the old Orgnum's Scales, didn't that proc at a lower health percent but then was changed to trigger at 60%?

hrothbern

CP5 wrote: »

This reminds me of the old Orgnum's Scales, didn't that proc at a lower health percent but then was changed to trigger at 60%?

yeah

we can still hope

zornyan

Sharkano wrote: »

I disagree. Those numbers can make the set very worthwhile for a tank -- not for others, probably.

Useless for a tank, using current sets like armor master you can be well past the resistance cap, 100% uptime.

Why in God's green earth would you want to have less resistance 80% of the time, only being at cap when near death?

Ipsius

I'm trying hard to see what role this armor was made for. It just doesn't seem to make any sense to go for the 5-piece bonus. Maybe if they made it a % chance to proc when hit and always gave the max extra defense? Then it would be worthwhile methinks. Maybe even make the proc chance increase the lower your health is to keep with the flavor of the original bonus.

Personofsecrets

by leaps and bounds not worth it. doesn't beat footman's dmg mitigation.

This would be a really niche set, probably for pvp and not blocking, but would probably gimp the users damage or sustain enough to make it not desired.

5/10

hrothbern

Ipsius wrote: »

I'm trying hard to see what role this armor was made for. It just doesn't seem to make any sense to go for the 5-piece bonus. Maybe if they made it a % chance to proc when hit and always gave the max extra defense? Then it would be worthwhile methinks. Maybe even make the proc chance increase the lower your health is to keep with the flavor of the original bonus.

"I'm trying hard to see what role this armor was made for. It just doesn't seem to make any sense to go for the 5-piece bonus".

I also broke my head on that....
It is clearly not for the taunting Tank role

If it was for example intended for being tanky in PVP, a 5-piece bonus to negate any Armor Penetration, would have made more sense

Would fit to 5+ HA and even 5 MA.

Dubhliam

Ipsius wrote: »

I mean... You COULD use 3 pieces of its jewelry and 2 pieces of heavy armor set pieces and still get the 5 piece passives from light or heavy... So there's that I guess...

Though it's hard to imagine a reason to trade willpower/agility/endurance for such a setup.

Actually, I did just that. Had Willpower set on my DK tank, and exchanged them for Pariah + 2 Heavy.
I still have 2 Engine Guardian, 3 Armor Master + sword and board Armor Master.

Reason: vICP and vWGT.

All other dungeons I still do with Willpower.

SmalltalkJava

What about using it for a vampire tank? Combined pariah with the vampire -33% damage at low health.

Ipsius

SmalltalkJava wrote: »

What about using it for a vampire tank? Combined pariah with the vampire -33% damage at low health.

Seems like a cool idea, especially on a Nord vamp that has the racial % reduction too. Your health just has to get so dang low to get the full armor bonus, or anywhere near the full bonus... It would take a lot of math to show what % health this set is better than alternative sets (which probably give their bonuses 100% of the time), and I doubt the difference would be very much anyway.

That's why at the end of the day I just don't get the intended purpose of this set!

MrGigglypants

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

In PvP is worthless in PvE there is no content that is up to date and requires a dedicated tank.

Just for the joke - you can use it in VMA and be OP.

True tanks are just out of date to be it as cleanly as it can be for both PvE and PvP and it's just sad. Who has heard of a MMOGRPG with out tanks?

You can still tank you're just going to need to DPS as well in some parts of the game

Sharkano

Disagree with all the useless type comments. Though you don't get 100% benefit till very low, even at 50% hp the mitigation is significant. Also, given that the set not only gives the 5-piece bonus, but has separate resistance attributes, you can run a full 5-piece medium set and this one and be at good tank resistances. I think it's worth playing with anyway . . . .

Saint314Louis1985

you have higher armor when in low hp.. maybe made for pvp to attempt to counter executes?

even though no one would sacrifice to do such a thing.. but ya know...

shugg

As a tank i am already capped so there is no point in this set, i even tank 2h every thing from AA to vet imp prison no issues however i am collecting this set as i beleave they will remove or adjust the heavy armour cap with the rebalance patch.. If im wrong then i have extra mats... All tanks should be capped on mitigation before any other stat

hrothbern

shugg wrote: »

As a tank i am already capped so there is no point in this set, i even tank 2h every thing from AA to vet imp prison no issues however i am collecting this set as i beleave they will remove or adjust the heavy armour cap with the rebalance patch.. If im wrong then i have extra mats... All tanks should be capped on mitigation before any other stat

This !

hrothbern

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

you have higher armor when in low hp.. maybe made for pvp to attempt to counter executes?

even though no one would sacrifice to do such a thing.. but ya know...

Well... perhaps devs had something like that in mind ???

Whereby noted that if you do the math (I did in another post with 30% Health close to execution range as example), the value of the whole 5 pc bonus of Pariah can also be achieved by putting something like 1-1.5k more Health in you Health pool.

a bit too underwhelming.