Introduction to PvP - Updated

Crown

Hello everyone,

I've updated the intro to PvP content on https://darkelves.com/

Thoughts / comments / suggestions are welcome. If you have any content you'd like to write up and have added, feel free to post that as well.

Have a nice day,
Nait

Minno

Crown wrote: »

Hello everyone,

I've updated the intro to PvP content on https://darkelves.com/

Thoughts / comments / suggestions are welcome. If you have any content you'd like to write up and have added, feel free to post that as well.

Have a nice day,
Nait

Love it. Section on crit was highly valuable.

Not sure if you did, but I would link the following:

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/

Shows some of the complex inner workings for some of the calculations in ESO. We all enjoy Asayre's work and it should be referenced as much as possible.

Crown

@Minno I added a section at the bottom for references and links, and put that in. Thanks!

Minno

Also, as much as lag and what is defined as zerging effect us, it sounds too situational and comes off as an opinion piece rather than a solid intro to what pvp is.

For example, each section leading up to the last two had very informative and vital info for new players. You had a section on leadership which was great to help new players understand the role a crown brings and sequential sections explaining actions to help crown do its job.

I think the last two are best saved for the forums, because they are temporary , despite important issues.

Actually for the lag section, it can be kept but I'd like to see it reworded to less reflect jabs at certain guilds and more explaining to players how the server functions. Add Brian wheelers response via the recent ESO live or a sample of the drawing he made up.

Just my thoughts.

Crown

@Minno can you link to the drawing or a synopsis of what @ZOS_BrianWheeler said?

I originally added the section to respond to people who were suggesting that the info I put up encouraged zerging..

Minno

Crown wrote: »

@Minno can you link to the drawing or a synopsis of what @ZOS_BrianWheeler said?

I originally added the section to respond to people who were suggesting that the info I put up encouraged zerging..

I'll try to find it later on(if no one beats me to it.) Its one of the first issues he talks about on the video complete with a sketch how the server divides up the map. It aligns with your talk on how each ability is calculated with the server.

I know the reason why zerg section was added, I think the section would better be served as a quick bullet explaining the term and its origins. You'd hit two birds with one stone by,

1)explaining to future players, who will see the word zerg and attribute the appropriate definition.
2) show the section as an additional reference to pvp, not a reactionary one.

I get the need to defend your name/team against impartial evidence, flaming, etc. But try to reread what you wrote and decide if it is a reactionary response to a quick day thread or reference to pure vital information. Just my critical opinion.

I see the potential of this as a nice road map to pvp and just trying to avoid any fluff so its easier on the eyes/mind without dilluting the content.

riverdragon72

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frozywozy

Good guide. Don't forget to add the siege shield in the siege section (especially on top of rams). It helps keep the ram alot longer than without it.

With the new siege changes coming up, siege shield will be a must anytime a group have to get into a choke points with proper defenses on the other side.

Crown

@Minno I updated the zerg section to make it more objective.

@frozywozy Added siege shield note in Siege section. Incidentally the last time you whispered me about running in a zerg, I was solo at BRK. Just because I show up somewhere doesn't mean that I'm part of - or leading a group!

dem0n1k

Thanks heaps for taking the time to write & share that guide Crown! I am still very noob @ PVP & this guide has taught me a lot. EG : I was always under the impression that fire siege was the best to use against players... I guess I need to but some meatbag catapults & stone trebs!

In the current state of PVP, do you think it is better for a Stam DK to run heavy armour or medium or a mix? At the moment I am running 7 pieces of heavy (all with reinforced trait)... it made me quite tanky for PVE but after reading your comments about no real tanks in PVP.. would it be better to change to Impenetrable ? I just use crafting sets... Hundings Rage & Night Mother.

Manoekin

dem0n1k wrote: »

Thanks heaps for taking the time to write & share that guide Crown! I am still very noob @ PVP & this guide has taught me a lot. EG : I was always under the impression that fire siege was the best to use against players... I guess I need to but some meatbag catapults & stone trebs!

In the current state of PVP, do you think it is better for a Stam DK to run heavy armour or medium or a mix? At the moment I am running 7 pieces of heavy (all with reinforced trait)... it made me quite tanky for PVE but after reading your comments about no real tanks in PVP.. would it be better to change to Impenetrable ? I just use crafting sets... Hundings Rage & Night Mother.

Medium will give you only slightly less armor and more damage/utility bonuses, so I would probably switch over to that if I were you. Impenetrable seems to be the flavor of choice for PvP right now, yeah.

Morozov

Crown wrote: »

@Minno can you link to the drawing or a synopsis of what @ZOS_BrianWheeler said?

I originally added the section to respond to people who were suggesting that the info I put up encouraged zerging..

link for the video, jump to about 42:00 for the beginning of @ZOS_BrianWheeler brief explanation of the mechanics of the server's process for calculating stuff for players

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_QbrrLZfzjQ

Layman's terms: The server takes in, calculates and spits out info for everyone and everything around you; skills, siege damage, AP calculations, Dots, purges, AOE, deer, everything. The more crap you have going on in one small area (lets say inside a keep for example) means more crap the server has to calculate....FOR EVERYONE in that area.

so, if you are dethroning Meth in BRK, and you have 100+ people or more in there spamming purges, sharknado and heals, the server has to calculate purges, heals, crits, dots and every AOE hitting EVERY person in that one small space. It basically comes down to a bunch of stuff the server has to do, very fast and it gets to a point the server can't keep up, so it slows down thus causing lag.

Minno

Morozov wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@Minno can you link to the drawing or a synopsis of what @ZOS_BrianWheeler said?

I originally added the section to respond to people who were suggesting that the info I put up encouraged zerging..

link for the video, jump to about 42:00 for the beginning of @ZOS_BrianWheeler brief explanation of the mechanics of the server's process for calculating stuff for players

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_QbrrLZfzjQ

Layman's terms: The server takes in, calculates and spits out info for everyone and everything around you; skills, siege damage, AP calculations, Dots, purges, AOE, deer, everything. The more crap you have going on in one small area (lets say inside a keep for example) means more crap the server has to calculate....FOR EVERYONE in that area.

so, if you are dethroning Meth in BRK, and you have 100+ people or more in there spamming purges, sharknado and heals, the server has to calculate purges, heals, crits, dots and every AOE hitting EVERY person in that one small space. It basically comes down to a bunch of stuff the server has to do, very fast and it gets to a point the server can't keep up, so it slows down thus causing lag.

Thanks! Major props for sharknado name drop too lol

frozywozy

dem0n1k wrote: »

Thanks heaps for taking the time to write & share that guide Crown! I am still very noob @ PVP & this guide has taught me a lot. EG : I was always under the impression that fire siege was the best to use against players... I guess I need to but some meatbag catapults & stone trebs!

In the current state of PVP, do you think it is better for a Stam DK to run heavy armour or medium or a mix? At the moment I am running 7 pieces of heavy (all with reinforced trait)... it made me quite tanky for PVE but after reading your comments about no real tanks in PVP.. would it be better to change to Impenetrable ? I just use crafting sets... Hundings Rage & Night Mother.

It all depends if you play with alot of healers or not. Solo / Small scale stam DK is all about dodge rolling so you need an insane about stam recovery (3k+). I'm personally running 2.5k because I got used to manage my ressources but when I rerolled stam I was running 3.2k. If you play in medium to large groups, you can aim for 2k - 2.5k stam recovery. 7/7medium.

Otherwise, if your goal is to tank, check this out :

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230935/vir-cors-dragonknight-pvp-tank-build-video

You're going to have to relay on animation cancelling if you want to kill anything.