Pvp in this game is ridiculous

willymchilybily

zornyan wrote: »

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

This sounds entirely like CP disparity + armor bolster.

Level 10's get very high damage reduction to make up for the fact they have no abilities. Also, if the player you were versing had a large CP advantage over you you can lose. CP > Level.

This is just not true. A v16 with zero cp who knows how to play will almost always win against a low level char, no matter how many cp he has.

***. LOL

Actually it's true.

My battle leveled level 23 sorc doesn't half any skills that are useable, no hardened ward, no spell crit or pen passives, less than half racial passives, less than half skill passives. Stats are around 30k magicka, 1600 spell power and 1400 regen.

My vr16 templar has 41k magicka, 3600 spell power and 1700 regen, as well as all skills and passives unlocked.

So you're telling me that 20% damage from being at MAX cp cap is better than 10k more magicka, over double the spell power and a ton of passives?

Troll

because there are only damage CPs? its circumstantial, class related, player ability related and play style. Id rather take on any fresh V1 magicka user with 0 CP who has no reduced CC break cost through tumbling, before I'd take on 501 CP non vet alt of any class.

still I'm curious what class the level 10 was, that does sound pretty low to be able to do much more than damage moves. possibly a magicka Nb, even a templar, otherwise OP died to someone who might not even be able to CC you or escape from you, might not even have a self heal and probably only has 2 or 3 damage moves, and only 1 skill bar. Sounds like the OP was hoping to one shot the guy and hasn't had much PvP experience.

WillhelmBlack

Not lying, I killed 4 VR16 AD on my own with my level 10 Imperial DK. Yeah the battle levelling system and crown store tri-pots are whack.

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO

zornyan wrote: »

Actually it's true.

My battle leveled level 23 sorc doesn't half any skills that are useable, no hardened ward, no spell crit or pen passives, less than half racial passives, less than half skill passives. Stats are around 30k magicka, 1600 spell power and 1400 regen.

My vr16 templar has 41k magicka, 3600 spell power and 1700 regen, as well as all skills and passives unlocked.

So you're telling me that 20% damage from being at MAX cp cap is better than 10k more magicka, over double the spell power and a ton of passives?

Troll

Hate to break it to you but your templar build is 100% based upon you having high CP. Take those high CP away and you won't even be able to sustain yourself. It's simple math. On top of that you are completely laughing off the fact that the level 10 is max armor and spell resistance.

My templar is around 250 champ points. I am sitting at ~ 30k magicka, 20k health ,. 3300 spellpower buffed and 1800 regen. I can "barely" sustain my build now with the CP I Have. Once I near the 500 CP mark It will allow me to stop using regeneration potions or regen mundus and switch over to a magicka potion or spellpower mundus and have the same stats as your templar.

So seriously.. stop talking out your ass.

CP > Level.

I would put money on the original poster being a fresh VR 16 with low CP. And given the fact he has low CP it also means he wont have spent much time acquiring the necessary gear to flesh out his toon. Now if he runs into a level 10 who has high CP and by extension access to decent crafted gear then i'm not at all surprised he lost and came here to vent.

SHADOW2KK

Sorry OP l2p, and snapping your disc in half and raging about it is, quite frankly hilarious.

Ah well.

SHADOW2KK

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Not lying, I killed 4 VR16 AD on my own with my level 10 Imperial DK. Yeah the battle levelling system and crown store tri-pots are whack.

Hehe good man, and yep

But do you remember on my then level 10 templar killing a V14 NB/DK, before battle levelling and me dying of laughter on TS hehe.

So there you go OP:P

OGLezard

zornyan wrote: »

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

This sounds entirely like CP disparity + armor bolster.

Level 10's get very high damage reduction to make up for the fact they have no abilities. Also, if the player you were versing had a large CP advantage over you you can lose. CP > Level.

This is just not true. A v16 with zero cp who knows how to play will almost always win against a low level char, no matter how many cp he has.

***. LOL

Actually it's true.

My battle leveled level 23 sorc doesn't half any skills that are useable, no hardened ward, no spell crit or pen passives, less than half racial passives, less than half skill passives. Stats are around 30k magicka, 1600 spell power and 1400 regen.

My vr16 templar has 41k magicka, 3600 spell power and 1700 regen, as well as all skills and passives unlocked.

So you're telling me that 20% damage from being at MAX cp cap is better than 10k more magicka, over double the spell power and a ton of passives?

Troll

@zornyan what gear are you using to achieve all that hmm?

zornyan

OGLezard wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

This sounds entirely like CP disparity + armor bolster.

Level 10's get very high damage reduction to make up for the fact they have no abilities. Also, if the player you were versing had a large CP advantage over you you can lose. CP > Level.

This is just not true. A v16 with zero cp who knows how to play will almost always win against a low level char, no matter how many cp he has.

***. LOL

Actually it's true.

My battle leveled level 23 sorc doesn't half any skills that are useable, no hardened ward, no spell crit or pen passives, less than half racial passives, less than half skill passives. Stats are around 30k magicka, 1600 spell power and 1400 regen.

My vr16 templar has 41k magicka, 3600 spell power and 1700 regen, as well as all skills and passives unlocked.

So you're telling me that 20% damage from being at MAX cp cap is better than 10k more magicka, over double the spell power and a ton of passives?

Troll

@zornyan what gear are you using to achieve all that hmm?

5x julianos
4x magnus
3x willpower

OGLezard

zornyan wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

This sounds entirely like CP disparity + armor bolster.

Level 10's get very high damage reduction to make up for the fact they have no abilities. Also, if the player you were versing had a large CP advantage over you you can lose. CP > Level.

This is just not true. A v16 with zero cp who knows how to play will almost always win against a low level char, no matter how many cp he has.

***. LOL

Actually it's true.

My battle leveled level 23 sorc doesn't half any skills that are useable, no hardened ward, no spell crit or pen passives, less than half racial passives, less than half skill passives. Stats are around 30k magicka, 1600 spell power and 1400 regen.

My vr16 templar has 41k magicka, 3600 spell power and 1700 regen, as well as all skills and passives unlocked.

So you're telling me that 20% damage from being at MAX cp cap is better than 10k more magicka, over double the spell power and a ton of passives?

Troll

@zornyan what gear are you using to achieve all that hmm?

5x julianos
4x magnus
3x willpower

@zornyan I have that same setup but don't have 41k magicka, 3600 SD, or 1700 recovery....my gear is not magnus though it is 4 piece winter born (same damn stas)

nine9six

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

How is it i am vr16 but yet i get beat by a level 10 not vr either a level 10 i'm so fed up with crap pvp in this game and when i turn into a werewolf in pvp i can get one shotted wtf is that how freaking stupid and i can't even stay a werewolf that long to fight back not to mention i can't even change at will werewolf is so pathetic it needs to be a toggle

What alliance are you?

Thats the least of his/her worries lol. Def. a L2P issue, and mainly the skills and ability to create/use a build.

Unless he's trying to group with him...

kylewwefan

I've had a few "light bulb" thoughts from this thread. I also really don't dig the pvp too much, but I'm probably doing it wrong and don't have many CP. I have learned a lot from my guild mates, but I think there is a lot more to learn.
I saw the number 501 being thrown around. Is that the max CP? I have around 40 in each green, red & blue. Is 501 the max in each color or the combined max?

I know you can enter cyrodil at lev 10, but the second skill bar not til 15. Cyrodil also "Scales" everyone to VR15....so there's not as much need to do the grinding leveling thing on several characters, as level 10 is pretty quick.

I've seen more than a few people wanting various weapon and armor builds at low level all the way to purple or gold. It kind of makes sense for pvp now, before I thought these people were being silly. I not familiar with armor and enchantment scaling for such low level things in cyrodil....I have to look into that.

zornyan

OGLezard wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

This sounds entirely like CP disparity + armor bolster.

Level 10's get very high damage reduction to make up for the fact they have no abilities. Also, if the player you were versing had a large CP advantage over you you can lose. CP > Level.

This is just not true. A v16 with zero cp who knows how to play will almost always win against a low level char, no matter how many cp he has.

***. LOL

Actually it's true.

My battle leveled level 23 sorc doesn't half any skills that are useable, no hardened ward, no spell crit or pen passives, less than half racial passives, less than half skill passives. Stats are around 30k magicka, 1600 spell power and 1400 regen.

My vr16 templar has 41k magicka, 3600 spell power and 1700 regen, as well as all skills and passives unlocked.

So you're telling me that 20% damage from being at MAX cp cap is better than 10k more magicka, over double the spell power and a ton of passives?

Troll

@zornyan what gear are you using to achieve all that hmm?

5x julianos
4x magnus
3x willpower

@zornyan I have that same setup but don't have 41k magicka, 3600 SD, or 1700 recovery....my gear is not magnus though it is 4 piece winter born (same damn stas)

VR 16 gold?

Gold enchants?

I'm at 220 CP, breton with food buff, atronach mundus and using inner light

Don't have undaunted passive yet though

LadyNalcarya

found1779 wrote: »

How is it i am vr16 but yet i get beat by a level 10 not vr either a level 10 i'm so fed up with crap pvp in this game and when i turn into a werewolf in pvp i can get one shotted wtf is that how freaking stupid and i can't even stay a werewolf that long to fight back not to mention i can't even change at will werewolf is so pathetic it needs to be a toggle

Are you sure it was a level 10 char?
Death recap shows pvp ranks, not level.
P.s. And werewolves can be really strong in pvp.

Sharakor

It's people like you that PvP has become a complete waste of time, L2P. Anyone with little knowledge on PvP and skill tree's would that you should NEVER become werewolf in PvP and a level 10 is basically a V15 in terms of weapon/spell power.

robkrush

I'm on ps4 too. Since your quittin please mail me your gold and any high level crafting mats you have. If you have any telvar saved up please buy rubadite leather and send that to me as well. Thanks. PSN: robkrush

josh.lackey_ESO

When Orisinium came out, ZOS changed how Battle Level worked. Low level characters now receive extra buffs intended to make up for missing abilities and passives. In practice, this means that you actually suck more each time you level up. I am not surprised to hear a level 10 can wreck at vr16 at all. I think the battle level scaling is a little skewed and should be tweaked some. It's disheartening to be weaker with each level.

RatedChaotic

Try some different gear or skills. lower lvls shouldnt be taking you out so fast. Being werewolf or vampire imo isnt good for pvp. If they have some points in fighters guild they will do extra damage to undead and werewolves.

found1779

robkrush wrote: »

I'm on ps4 too. Since your quittin please mail me your gold and any high level crafting mats you have. If you have any telvar saved up please buy rubadite leather and send that to me as well. Thanks. PSN: robkrush

I broke my game in half if you want my stuff you will need to buy me another copy so i can get on the game lmao

ralonasan

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Artjuh90

so because your vet 16 your entitled to kill a lower level? so patetic. it's probably a alt with enough cp

Cazic

PvP in this game is a whole different animal than PvE. A lower level player can easily beat you if you haven't spent the time perfecting your build and gear, and learning the tricks of the trade necessary to out-do people in PvP. Dedication and skill really does pay off.

If your build or gear is off even by just a little bit, and that lower level player has an very effective build setup, then you're screwed. Stats and skill combinations make all the difference. A bit more optimization on his part will make the difference.

I'm a relatively casual player and I've spent months perfecting my build/gear - mostly since IC came out - in order to get better at PvP. Lately I've really noticed a difference and have been able to hod my own. But hey, at the beginning I'm sure there were many times when I was beaten by a lower level player. We've all been there. You've just gotta do your research, learn from other players and spend the time perfecting your character.

Good luck!

Jura23

I'm amazed that you made it all the way to v16 with this approach. Interesting.

Jura23

Sharakor wrote: »

It's people like you that PvP has become a complete waste of time, L2P. Anyone with little knowledge on PvP and skill tree's would that you should NEVER become werewolf in PvP and a level 10 is basically a V15 in terms of weapon/spell power.

Really?

found1779

Cazic wrote: »

PvP in this game is a whole different animal than PvE. A lower level player can easily beat you if you haven't spent the time perfecting your build and gear, and learning the tricks of the trade necessary to out-do people in PvP. Dedication and skill really does pay off.

If your build or gear is off even by just a little bit, and that lower level player has an very effective build setup, then you're screwed. Stats and skill combinations make all the difference. A bit more optimization on his part will make the difference.

I'm a relatively casual player and I've spent months perfecting my build/gear - mostly since IC came out - in order to get better at PvP. Lately I've really noticed a difference and have been able to hod my own. But hey, at the beginning I'm sure there were many times when I was beaten by a lower level player. We've all been there. You've just gotta do your research, learn from other players and spend the time perfecting your character.

Good luck!

Thanks for the advice i probably just rage quit instead of trying to get better at pvp lol but i whent to gamestop and bought me another copy for 39 dollars used i'm give it another shot and take my time trying to get better at pvp tbh i usually pve and werewolf in pve is good to use but i whent into pvp with a pve mind set and i think that's what part of my problem was

found1779

ralonasan wrote: »

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Cazic

found1779 wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

PvP in this game is a whole different animal than PvE. A lower level player can easily beat you if you haven't spent the time perfecting your build and gear, and learning the tricks of the trade necessary to out-do people in PvP. Dedication and skill really does pay off.

If your build or gear is off even by just a little bit, and that lower level player has an very effective build setup, then you're screwed. Stats and skill combinations make all the difference. A bit more optimization on his part will make the difference.

I'm a relatively casual player and I've spent months perfecting my build/gear - mostly since IC came out - in order to get better at PvP. Lately I've really noticed a difference and have been able to hod my own. But hey, at the beginning I'm sure there were many times when I was beaten by a lower level player. We've all been there. You've just gotta do your research, learn from other players and spend the time perfecting your character.

Good luck!

Thanks for the advice i probably just rage quit instead of trying to get better at pvp lol but i whent to gamestop and bought me another copy for 39 dollars used i'm give it another shot and take my time trying to get better at pvp tbh i usually pve and werewolf in pve is good to use but i whent into pvp with a pve mind set and i think that's what part of my problem was

Getting good at PvP in ESO takes a lot of patience. You're gonna die to lower level players sometimes, that's just how it is. Take your time and connect with players who you can group with. Glad to hear you're gonna give it another shot though.

dem0n1k

My main char.. a Stamina DK VR16 has 24k stamina & 18k health with 2.3k weapon damage & yet, without fail, I still have fun playing the game!@# I die a lot! Other players mow me down in 4 hits. I find the mobs in IC very difficult.... yet it's still fun for me after 2(ish) years! How is this possible !? Am I broken?!

MrDerrikk

dem0n1k wrote: »

My main char.. a Stamina DK VR16 has 24k stamina & 18k health with 2.3k weapon damage & yet, without fail, I still have fun playing the game!@# I die a lot! Other players mow me down in 4 hits. I find the mobs in IC very difficult.... yet it's still fun for me after 2(ish) years! How is this possible !? Am I broken?!

I run through IC with a Magicka DK and have fun, and he has absolutely rubbish stats and VR12 armor (still holding onto my Sun set). If you're not having fun, then why would you be playing?

Asherons_Call

Content of the op combined with wall of text leads me to believe that you all just got trolled

MrDerrikk

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Content of the op combined with wall of text leads me to believe that you all just got trolled

He was one of the people with a 4mil bounty that couldn't complete that Orsinium quest, so his very different style of play leads me to believe that he wasn't.