Idea: Weapon Ultimates and Changing the Meta

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

There should be a Stamina morph for every ability in the game.

Alternatively: every ability could simply scale off whatever your highest resource is.

Even more alternatively: have a separate resource for Block/Dodge/Bash/Sprint, which would then free up Stamina and Magicka to be 100% equalized in terms of how much damage they do and how fast they regenerate.

I agree with every point you have written here,

dday3six

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

But WB is all I have left as a DK since they pooped on tanks with the "stam regen catastrophe of 2015".

Hopefully they'll make a stamina whip for you one day. Their reasoning for why they haven't is BS!

The thing is both morphs are used. Flame Lash for PVP and Molten Whip for PVE. So the best option as not to gimp someone is to change Molten Whip to Stamina, with a new addition effect, and add the increased flame damage to a passive in Ardent Flame. That way no one is really out anything and Stamina DK gets a stam whip and an increase to fire damage.

Artjuh90

stonefist would be a beter stam morph

Vezuls

So, let's take out all AoE's in the game besides sap essence and make them ridiculously high ultimates?

Next.

Vezuls

Xjcon wrote: »

Bring all aoe damages distances in line with eachother. Drop the execute that steel tornado has. Reduce the AOE damage at max distance but increase closer to the caster you get. And drop AOE cap.

Terrible idea. You people need to think logically about all the AoE's. They are balanced. How so? Steel tornado is an execute. Impulse is a dot (pulsar destroys 10% hp), and sap essence heals.

MisterBigglesworth

Vezuls wrote: »

So, let's take out all AoE's in the game besides sap essence and make them ridiculously high ultimates?

Next.

Sap Essence isn't a Weapon ability, hence why it wasn't included in a thread proposing weapon ultimates.
I would be fine with reducing the effectiveness of Sap Essence as well.
The game needs less AOE spamming in general, mostly because it's been proven to cause major lag in PvP.

Vangy

When zos gives me more choices for stamina such as damage shields, a teleport etc. Then we can talk about Wb being overpowered. Right now as it is, a stamina class has garbage sustain, and are some of the weakest dps in pve. The ONLY good thing about stamina now is arguably the insane burst damage they have (and stealth kills help). Keep calling for nerfs and there won't be any more stam players around. Personally I've already levelled a nb/Templar and sorc up to v1 over the past few weeks. Just waiting on zos to remove vr ranks and good bye my dk. I'm hopping over onto the sorc train spamming 10k damage shields and whoop whooping teleporting around cyro. I guarantee the moment vr ranks are removed, cyro is going to be around 50% sorcs and the other 50% nb gankers. Gg eso.

Xjcon

Vezuls wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Bring all aoe damages distances in line with eachother. Drop the execute that steel tornado has. Reduce the AOE damage at max distance but increase closer to the caster you get. And drop AOE cap.

Terrible idea. You people need to think logically about all the AoE's. They are balanced. How so? Steel tornado is an execute. Impulse is a dot (pulsar destroys 10% hp), and sap essence heals.

Seems less complicated then the book you wrote. While I would never say your ideas are terrible I will say that Keep it simple works way better then the over thought out prone to bugs complicated way you come up with.

Korah_Eaglecry

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

@dday3six
Actually if I had my way I'd put cooldowns on EVERY SINGLE ABILITY in the game. That way there is no definitively "best" AOE, because the more powerful ones (does massive damage, has built-in crowd control, etc) would be on a longer cooldown.

And yes... **** Wrecking Blow. @Vangy don't defend overpowered garbage.

Also, clearing trash mobs is irrelevant. The game needs to be exclusively balanced around PVP. Period.
Devs can easily change the pacing of the dungeons/trials so that you're generally back up to 300 Ultimate by the time you need those big AOEs.

You only have access to 10 abilities and 1 Ultimate at a time. What universe do you live in where Cooldowns are necessary?

Artjuh90

Vangy wrote: »

When zos gives me more choices for stamina such as damage shields, a teleport etc. Then we can talk about Wb being overpowered. Right now as it is, a stamina class has garbage sustain, and are some of the weakest dps in pve. The ONLY good thing about stamina now is arguably the insane burst damage they have (and stealth kills help). Keep calling for nerfs and there won't be any more stam players around. Personally I've already levelled a nb/Templar and sorc up to v1 over the past few weeks. Just waiting on zos to remove vr ranks and good bye my dk. I'm hopping over onto the sorc train spamming 10k damage shields and whoop whooping teleporting around cyro. I guarantee the moment vr ranks are removed, cyro is going to be around 50% sorcs and the other 50% nb gankers. Gg eso.

i said this on a different post aswell. then some quest like kill 10 dragonknight will be kinda immposeble because no1 plays it. sure they may rebalance classes but in the end cyro will be filled with the top class at that moment. and this is a really bad develepment. glad im not a PvP player

MisterBigglesworth

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

You only have access to 10 abilities and 1 Ultimate at a time. What universe do you live in where Cooldowns are necessary?

Ummm... the universe that encompasses properly balanced games like Guild Wars 2 and Destiny and dozens of other successful self-sustaining games that will still be around long after ESO is left in the dust... that universe.

MrDerrikk

ESO don't need to be a carbon copy of other MMO's out there to survive. If they focus on PvP only then they will lose the majority of their current crowd and not gain much back, as there is still better PvP MMO's out there. Most players are evidently PvEers what with the direction of the DLC's being made, and the no-cooldowns in combat system that ZOS have built the game upon is something a lot of people like (I loathe cooldown-based combat with every fibre of my being. I'd play the Dragon Age series a lot more if everything wasn't cooldown based).

A re-balancing of a lot of skills and the addition of more, whilst bringing back softcaps and removing AoE caps will completely change the meta and probably for the better.

Korah_Eaglecry

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

You only have access to 10 abilities and 1 Ultimate at a time. What universe do you live in where Cooldowns are necessary?

Ummm... the universe that encompasses properly balanced games like Guild Wars 2 and Destiny and dozens of other successful self-sustaining games that will still be around long after ESO is left in the dust... that universe.

Okay so youre a DOOM Sayer. Gotcha.

This game is now going on two years old. In general its doing a lot better than it was its first year. But you keep pretending as if little you doesnt get what they want the end of the world is coming and the sky is falling over Tamriel.

The game is far closer to a decent balance than it ever has. And as long as ZOS approaches the future of balancing with small tweaks we'll be fine. If you think GW2 and Destiny (Which isnt even an MMO you pleb) are so superior. Take your whiney *** back to them.

Lenikus

...What do you have against spamming skills ? Soldiers in wars keep spamming bullets and it's all right for them ;P
I get some of the concept you tried to bring, but still, this is nowhere close to adequate.

MisterBigglesworth

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The game is far closer to a decent balance than it ever has. And as long as ZOS approaches the future of balancing with small tweaks we'll be fine. If you think GW2 and Destiny (Which isnt even an MMO you pleb) are so superior. Take your whiney *** back to them.

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

Korah_Eaglecry

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The game is far closer to a decent balance than it ever has. And as long as ZOS approaches the future of balancing with small tweaks we'll be fine. If you think GW2 and Destiny (Which isnt even an MMO you pleb) are so superior. Take your whiney *** back to them.

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

Because claiming the sky is falling if you dont get the changes you want is a contribution to the discussion of balance? Yeah okay buddy.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

You only have access to 10 abilities and 1 Ultimate at a time. What universe do you live in where Cooldowns are necessary?

Ummm... the universe that encompasses properly balanced games like Guild Wars 2 and Destiny and dozens of other successful self-sustaining games that will still be around long after ESO is left in the dust... that universe.

The problem with that is that ESO/ZOS advised when they were making the game, and then when implementing it, that they wanted abilities that could be used (spammed) while costing resources, they stated time and again that they did not want abilities to have cooldowns.. and if they did, then they would be few and far in-between..

MisterBigglesworth

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The game is far closer to a decent balance than it ever has. And as long as ZOS approaches the future of balancing with small tweaks we'll be fine. If you think GW2 and Destiny (Which isnt even an MMO you pleb) are so superior. Take your whiney *** back to them.

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

Because claiming the sky is falling if you dont get the changes you want is a contribution to the discussion of balance? Yeah okay buddy.

Destiny and Guild Wars 2 are examples of games with only a small amount of abilities but those abilities are nevertheless put on a cooldown for the expressed purpose of enforcing properly balanced PvP gameplay.

This was in direct response to your question "You only have access to 10 abilities and 1 Ultimate at a time. What universe do you live in where Cooldowns are necessary?" (implying that just because there are only a small number of abilities that cooldowns are not necessary)

Has nothing to do with whether or not Destiny is an MMO.
Also, two ad hominem attacks in your post, that's why you got a dismissive snarky response.

MisterBigglesworth

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

The problem with that is that ESO/ZOS advised when they were making the game, and then when implementing it, that they wanted abilities that could be used (spammed) while costing resources, they stated time and again that they did not want abilities to have cooldowns.. and if they did, then they would be few and far in-between..

Works in theory... until a year later and they're putting pseudo-cooldowns on dodge roll and bolt escape, and people were asking for the same treatment to be done to Shadow Cloak.

I'm in favor of bringing back soft caps instead of cooldowns. Soft caps functioned as a type of cooldown by keeping resource regen under control.

#bringbacksoftcaps

Artjuh90

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

The problem with that is that ESO/ZOS advised when they were making the game, and then when implementing it, that they wanted abilities that could be used (spammed) while costing resources, they stated time and again that they did not want abilities to have cooldowns.. and if they did, then they would be few and far in-between..

Works in theory... until a year later and they're putting pseudo-cooldowns on dodge roll and bolt escape, and people were asking for the same treatment to be done to Shadow Cloak.

I'm in favor of bringing back soft caps instead of cooldowns. Soft caps functioned as a type of cooldown by making keeping resource regen under control.

#bringbacksoftcaps

+1

MrDerrikk

Softcaps back, AoE caps gone. That is all...

MisterBigglesworth

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Softcaps back, AoE caps gone. That is all...

Drag n' drop the cap back where it belongs

Spearshard

Sure eso has things it could improve upon: adding combat text and information that is a toggle in options, console text chat, bind on pickup, however you keep your WoW out of this game. The reason a lot of people play and love the combat system is that it is not like WoW. I love that it doesn't have cool downs. Combat is fast paced, and I love it. Why should there be cool downs? Really? It doesn't bring balance, just forces you to not use that skill, I tried the old republic and final fantasy, and the combat was about as interesting as watching snow melt. If you want a clone of WoW, go back, don't call for the developers to destroy elements of the game so eso can be WoW or GW or whatever.