DK vs NB

Tomato

How do you beat a NB that spams fear with the current cc system issues?

CyrusArya

Either people over exaggerate the cc system issues or I am just extremely lucky. At any rate, when you do have CC immunity take advantage of it. When the game is working properly, as it does for me 99% of the time, there's no such thing as spamming a hard cc. It would also help if you clarified whether you're a magicka or stamina DK vs a magicka or stamina NB. Assuming both stamina builds, bare in mind you are much tankier than the NB. Also bare in mind, that while fear is the better CC, in a 1v1 fossilize is just as good if not better. Make sure you have vigor and rally up at all times to mitigate the unrelenting dps that NBs dish out. After that, all it comes down to is bursting him down before he can burst you down. Lay down caltrops so he can't cloak in your vicinity, then all it takes is one crit rush/wrecking blow/take flight combo to put the NB out of its misery. Another thing you might consider is using a block/bash/ransack build. It requires mastering the puncture/bash animation cancel combo but it might be the single most effective set up against a NB, because it's insanely tanky and does more than enough dps to shred a NB's paper thin defenses. For more on that you should ask @Yoyuyi999 as its really his forte.

And as with all 1v1 encounters, if you're not applying constant pressure you're gonna lose. Just to give you an idea, my essential tool kit against stam NBs is your typical 2h skills, Ransack, Take Flight, Igneous Shield, Volatile Armor (negates mark target and also can bring em out of cloak if used well), Caltrops, and fossilize. I also play a stamblade occasionally and I can tell you a good stam dk is the hardest thing to fight, because they are stamina based as well, can go toe to toe in damage, and are just the tankiest creatures.

Kutsuu

Swiift wrote: »

How do you beat a NB that spams fear with the current cc system issues?

Could you explain what you mean by this? I haven't had any issues with fear when cc immunity is concerned. It's primarily the well (or accidentally) timed wrecking blow that catches you during the "standup" animation before immunity is applied.

Waffennacht

My only prob (edit: with dealing with fear) as a magicka is cc breaking. That first response is right on, gotta keep up the pressure and kill em before you can no longer respond.

Vangy

Like many have already pointed out, for a stamina build, the best Defence is having a great offense. Stamina builds punish turtling; you don't regen when u block, dodge roll gets more and more expensive, you lack damage shields, ur heals are sub par at best (If you don't have vigor) etc. Essentially what this means for you is that go aggressive. Crit rush in, Wb or ransack, use fossilize wisely and time it with dragon leap. Makes it so that the other party can't block your ultimate. With a good amount of weapon damage and around 50 points in mighty an unblocked leap can straight out floor most people. The moment you get confused or stop applying pressure you will lose to any other offensive build, especially magicka builds because they are the sustain kings. They don't have an insane stealth burst or the straight up damage Wb/Sa etc offers but they are very very good at shield stacking and kiting you around. You let them have their way and you will end up with a 0% stamina bar and get rekt.

As for nbs, yes they have burst but they aren't great at sustaining (assuming stamina nb). If you can recover from their initial ambush>Sa>fear> killers blade/Sa spam you most likely will win. Agaisnt nightblades after their ambush I just pop a immovabiltiy pot and from that point on go offensive. Ransack with block bash cancel over and over again. Slowly but surely nb life will drop to 75%. I don't like using Wb too early because it hits hard yes but also grants them cc immunity at which point they will potion and cloak their way to glory escape. I save my cc for when it's really needed. Once he is at 75% life >swap to 2h> Fossilize/Wb> dragon leap (can't be blocked cos they will be breaking free)> x2 execute while their butt is on the floor. Nb go splat. My win rate so far against stam nbs as a dk is pretty high. Off the top of my head id say around 80%.

Olen_Mikko

Use abilities that gives CC immunity.

Retreating maneuver or immovable for example.

Or unstoppable potion.

Morozov

I am switching to a stam DK, but I can go up against NB on my magicka DK with not much issue. a typical rotation for a NB (at least the ones I see) are ambush-dps-fear-dpsdpsdpsdps. In most cases, I break free the fear and pop a detect/magicka+/major-sorc pot. The NB attempts to get into stealth again but cant while my pot is active, so all I do is put up razor armor and talons/flame lash till dead. If they are a decent player it becomes harder, but I have found the detect pot really muddles things up because many NB are always trying to get back into stealth to ambush again.

If you mess that up for them it throws many players off their mark.

LoreRiley

Easy

When they go Invis pop Immovable and block with an AOE then rush the living hell out of them

Johngo0036

Well the current issue is that you dont get CC immunity sometimes.. you can get cc'ed immediately after breaking a cc..

Bashev

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Use abilities that gives CC immunity.

Retreating maneuver or immovable for example.

Or unstoppable potion.

Retreating maneuver doest give CC immunity. It gives you snare and root immunity.

On topic. ZoS should change the fear animation. It is so broken. Or the best it will be if they change fear to be disorient - it breaks on damage.

Sharee

Johngo0036 wrote: »

Well the current issue is that you dont get CC immunity sometimes.. you can get cc'ed immediately after breaking a cc..

The issue is with the CC immunity you get after you let some CC expire(without breaking it), not with the immunity you get after breaking a CC with break-free.

Break-free immunity has always worked for me, and i never saw any videos or other evidence showing someone getting CC-ed immediately after breaking a CC.

However i saw plenty of claims that CC-break immunity doesn't work that turned out to be just the player not understanding the system (like not knowing that roots are unaffected by CC immunity, etc.)

Brrrofski

Swiift wrote: »

How do you beat a NB that spams fear with the current cc system issues?

Depends. If you're a Stam user, easilly. If magica, it's not, but cc is your main weakness, so works as intended.

Stack tumbling, use immovabilty pots (you can even get immovabilty, health and magica in one pot) or ones that have stamina as an affect, choose dodge rolls and breaking free wisely (only break hard ccs, stay in once like talons) etc.

Even then ccs will still kill you.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

Swiift wrote: »

How do you beat a NB that spams fear with the current cc system issues?

you reroll nb and fear him before he fears you

KostasDragonborn

How much stamina does it take to break Mass Hysteria / Fear? Sometimes I have over half of my stamina pool full (roughly 7.5/15k) and I just run away from the fight while getting stabbed in the back repeatedly and cannot break the CC.

NB is the most broken class in the game on the OP side. Attacks not breaking this CC is insane.

I am now running 5H just to mitigate the NB stealth attacks as a Magicka DK. If I happen to not have a hard CC like Fossilize slotted I've run into situations where I cannot kill a NB because he's constantly stealthing and running mid fight. Yesterday in a cave exactly this happened. I ran into two players, one of them was an NB. The first died pretty fast (Prox Det/Bat Swarm/Deep Breath/Flame Lash) then the NB ran around stealthing and surprise attacking me for 10 minutes before giving up and leaving. I was even popping detect pots but he was running around a huge pillar breaking line of site the whole time and stealthing.

In duels I would have to respec and change morphs just to fight an NB, otherwise no chance.

Morozov

KostasDragonborn wrote: »

NB is the most broken class in the game on the OP side. Attacks not breaking this CC is insane.

I am now running 5H just to mitigate the NB stealth attacks as a Magicka DK. If I happen to not have a hard CC like Fossilize slotted I've run into situations where I cannot kill a NB because he's constantly stealthing and running mid fight. Yesterday in a cave exactly this happened. I ran into two players, one of them was an NB. The first died pretty fast (Prox Det/Bat Swarm/Deep Breath/Flame Lash) then the NB ran around stealthing and surprise attacking me for 10 minutes before giving up and leaving. I was even popping detect pots but he was running around a huge pillar breaking line of site the whole time and stealthing.

In duels I would have to respec and change morphs just to fight an NB, otherwise no chance.

I run a mag DK, I don't know about stamina as I have very little. I find tri-pots with at least detect on it works wonders on the run of the mill NB who tries to gank you, fails and runs off. Its funny to watch them try and stealth away for 10 seconds wondering how im lashing them the whole time.

robkrush

Talons. Talons. Talons.

Soulac

Spam burning embers and the nightblade won't be able to cloak anymore.
Break fear or use immovable the gain immunity.
Use Petrify before he uses fear.

As long as you break a cc you will get immunity, never had an issue with it.

Strider_Roshin

KostasDragonborn wrote: »

How much stamina does it take to break Mass Hysteria / Fear? Sometimes I have over half of my stamina pool full (roughly 7.5/15k) and I just run away from the fight while getting stabbed in the back repeatedly and cannot break the CC.

NB is the most broken class in the game on the OP side. Attacks not breaking this CC is insane.

I am now running 5H just to mitigate the NB stealth attacks as a Magicka DK. If I happen to not have a hard CC like Fossilize slotted I've run into situations where I cannot kill a NB because he's constantly stealthing and running mid fight. Yesterday in a cave exactly this happened. I ran into two players, one of them was an NB. The first died pretty fast (Prox Det/Bat Swarm/Deep Breath/Flame Lash) then the NB ran around stealthing and surprise attacking me for 10 minutes before giving up and leaving. I was even popping detect pots but he was running around a huge pillar breaking line of site the whole time and stealthing.

In duels I would have to respec and change morphs just to fight an NB, otherwise no chance.

Then you're a bad/ill-equipped player.

If I didn't have an anti-Nightblade move on my bar they would be annoying to me as well, but they're actually the easiest class to kill once you counter their cloak. They're not OP, you just don't like adjusting your build in order to combat annoying play styles.

KostasDragonborn

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

KostasDragonborn wrote: »

How much stamina does it take to break Mass Hysteria / Fear? Sometimes I have over half of my stamina pool full (roughly 7.5/15k) and I just run away from the fight while getting stabbed in the back repeatedly and cannot break the CC.

NB is the most broken class in the game on the OP side. Attacks not breaking this CC is insane.

I am now running 5H just to mitigate the NB stealth attacks as a Magicka DK. If I happen to not have a hard CC like Fossilize slotted I've run into situations where I cannot kill a NB because he's constantly stealthing and running mid fight. Yesterday in a cave exactly this happened. I ran into two players, one of them was an NB. The first died pretty fast (Prox Det/Bat Swarm/Deep Breath/Flame Lash) then the NB ran around stealthing and surprise attacking me for 10 minutes before giving up and leaving. I was even popping detect pots but he was running around a huge pillar breaking line of site the whole time and stealthing.

In duels I would have to respec and change morphs just to fight an NB, otherwise no chance.

Then you're a bad/ill-equipped player.

If I didn't have an anti-Nightblade move on my bar they would be annoying to me as well, but they're actually the easiest class to kill once you counter their cloak. They're not OP, you just don't like adjusting your build in order to combat annoying play styles.

Thanks for the constructive criticism. Could you specify your anti-nightblade moves (Magicka DK)? I'm eager to learn to be as good as you.

Toc de Malsvi

"How much stamina does it take to break Mass Hysteria / Fear? Sometimes I have over half of my stamina pool full (roughly 7.5/15k) and I just run away from the fight while getting stabbed in the back repeatedly and cannot break the CC."

This has happened to me on numerous occasions. I can only think it has to do with poor connection or lag related to the animation. I've had it happen when I was full on stamina at times, I sit there spamming break free but nothing happens.

Tomato

I changed my break free binding recently from the default and that's helped me out a lot. It's more of a issue with the entire cc system not working correctly all the time.

Vanzen

KostasDragonborn wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

KostasDragonborn wrote: »

How much stamina does it take to break Mass Hysteria / Fear? Sometimes I have over half of my stamina pool full (roughly 7.5/15k) and I just run away from the fight while getting stabbed in the back repeatedly and cannot break the CC.

NB is the most broken class in the game on the OP side. Attacks not breaking this CC is insane.

I am now running 5H just to mitigate the NB stealth attacks as a Magicka DK. If I happen to not have a hard CC like Fossilize slotted I've run into situations where I cannot kill a NB because he's constantly stealthing and running mid fight. Yesterday in a cave exactly this happened. I ran into two players, one of them was an NB. The first died pretty fast (Prox Det/Bat Swarm/Deep Breath/Flame Lash) then the NB ran around stealthing and surprise attacking me for 10 minutes before giving up and leaving. I was even popping detect pots but he was running around a huge pillar breaking line of site the whole time and stealthing.

In duels I would have to respec and change morphs just to fight an NB, otherwise no chance.

Then you're a bad/ill-equipped player.

If I didn't have an anti-Nightblade move on my bar they would be annoying to me as well, but they're actually the easiest class to kill once you counter their cloak. They're not OP, you just don't like adjusting your build in order to combat annoying play styles.

Thanks for the constructive criticism. Could you specify your anti-nightblade moves (Magicka DK)? I'm eager to learn to be as good as you.

Reactive armor + Mageligt = 90% of NB dead

Jade1986

When the absolute majority start playing a single class because of how easy of a time they have versus all other classes, there is clearly something wrong, sure there are counters, but playing a nb against any class atm is just so easy it is ridiculous.

Tomato

NB is the easy button class currently

Skinzz

Not if you're a sorc. Nbs get wrecked by sorcs

Inig0

CCD them back! When i fight anyone i try to CC them the moment the cooldown is up to get my burst out. Petrify is the best cc in the game keep that on them as much as possible.

Bashev

Inig0 wrote: »

CCD them back! When i fight anyone i try to CC them the moment the cooldown is up to get my burst out. Petrify is the best cc in the game keep that on them as much as possible.

Bets CC in the game is Fear. Petrify is the same as agony but NBs rarely use it because they are so spoiled. They even thing that Agony should be changed to something more useful.

Lava_Croft

MagDK versus MagNB used to be awesome.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

Vanzen wrote: »

KostasDragonborn wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

KostasDragonborn wrote: »

How much stamina does it take to break Mass Hysteria / Fear? Sometimes I have over half of my stamina pool full (roughly 7.5/15k) and I just run away from the fight while getting stabbed in the back repeatedly and cannot break the CC.

NB is the most broken class in the game on the OP side. Attacks not breaking this CC is insane.

I am now running 5H just to mitigate the NB stealth attacks as a Magicka DK. If I happen to not have a hard CC like Fossilize slotted I've run into situations where I cannot kill a NB because he's constantly stealthing and running mid fight. Yesterday in a cave exactly this happened. I ran into two players, one of them was an NB. The first died pretty fast (Prox Det/Bat Swarm/Deep Breath/Flame Lash) then the NB ran around stealthing and surprise attacking me for 10 minutes before giving up and leaving. I was even popping detect pots but he was running around a huge pillar breaking line of site the whole time and stealthing.

In duels I would have to respec and change morphs just to fight an NB, otherwise no chance.

Then you're a bad/ill-equipped player.

If I didn't have an anti-Nightblade move on my bar they would be annoying to me as well, but they're actually the easiest class to kill once you counter their cloak. They're not OP, you just don't like adjusting your build in order to combat annoying play styles.

Thanks for the constructive criticism. Could you specify your anti-nightblade moves (Magicka DK)? I'm eager to learn to be as good as you.

Reactive armor + Mageligt = 90% of NB dead

lol no !

Master_Kas

Bashev wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

CCD them back! When i fight anyone i try to CC them the moment the cooldown is up to get my burst out. Petrify is the best cc in the game keep that on them as much as possible.

Bets CC in the game is Fear. Petrify is the same as agony but NBs rarely use it because they are so spoiled. They even thing that Agony should be changed to something more useful.

Nope petrify is not the same as agony. It's way better.

Fossilize morph you have to break free and dodgeroll out of = Costing more stamina to get rid of than fear/agony. If a DK constantly apply it when CC immunity is down he can drain your stam if you are not careful or chug pots. And when you are OOS, you eat that take flight. Also it gives you 5% of your maximum stamina back.

Almost noone uses agony over fear, and there's a reason for that. While I see petrifying DK's everywhere (both stam and magicka)

Not saying DK's are OP or anything. Just facts. This isn't 1.6 where you could permaroll to infinity and beyond. Petrify is alot stronger this patch

Kutsuu

As a NB who does not use sheild breaker, my most feared targets in 1v1s are magicka sorcs and stam DKs. I have also run into a couple of good Magicka DKs who have an amazing system for draining my stam too quickly, forcing me to run away or die.

For the stamina DKs, they counter cloak with the "armor" morph that has an AOE, and by holding block during the 2.9s duration of cloak. The skilled ones force me to use cloak only defensively, and I have no option to use it offensively. There are lots of videos out there of the 1h/s+2h and 2h+bow style builds which will be successful for you when played well, but as a NB I have much more caution of the 1h/s+2h builds because they have so much blocking sustain.

The Magicka DKs I speak of seem to be using 1h/s+resto. They block a good bit and spam talons, while keeping the DPS pressure up with whip. They petrify or rev bash/invasion me every time CC immunity is down to force break free. With having to constantly dodge roll out of immobilize and the pressure from break free, plus having to sustain health with Vigor/Rally... my stamina sustain does not last as long as their health sustain does.

I have to say that the general disdain for DKs on these forums does not align with my experience in game. I dusted off my DK alt a few days ago in order to start experimenting myself... There is just so much fun synergy with the DKs, plus one of the coolest ultimates in the game helps.