Wall repair uses all my funds!

dem0n1k

I have been trying to level a new character almost totally in Cyrodiil (except for guild quests to get jewellery) & I keep using all my gold & AP to buy keep masonry repair kits! Playing on the NA PC Non-veteran Blackwater Blade where the zergs are relatively small & it's really not uncommon for most players to take a keep & then ride on to the next combat... leaving big holes in the keep walls!

I want to repair the holes but I have totally run out of gold & AP... any tips on how to get more gold / AP in Cyrodiil? A fully smashed wall costs 9k gold or 50k AP to repair for a single player... how does anyone afford this!?

While I am posting... when enemies take Chalman mine & siege Chalman wall from the tower in the mine... is it a bug that the siege can't be seen or heard? I don't see or hear the shots... I just see the wall losing health slowly. Seems a bit dodgy.

dem0n1k

I also want to rez my dead faction buddies but I have no soul gems of the correct size.... I guess I have to grind some PVE to be effective in Cyrodiil?

Lava_Croft

If you are low on AP and too low level to really kill a lot of people, you can always follow a group and try to heal and support them. There's quite a few people who made Emperor by doing just that!

Laggus

Win your campaign and you are rewarded with 5 wall repairs, ZOS thinks thats a fabulous reward!!

EDIT: They are clueless about repairs and this proves it.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

Laggus wrote: »

Win your campaign and you are rewarded with 5 wall repairs, ZOS thinks thats a fabulous reward!!

EDIT: They are clueless about repairs and this proves it.

don't repair walls, this game will die soon so, do like any others do : enjoy fights, fights and more fights, yolo !

Lumsdenml

Lava_Croft wrote: »

If you are low on AP and too low level to really kill a lot of people, you can always follow a group and try to heal and support them. There's quite a few people who made Emperor by doing just that!

Agreed. I have been doing the same thing since I was lvl 18. Get in a group, heal, support, repair when you can. Request support if you run out of repair kits in zone chat or group chat. You can usually find a group who is lead by someone who is motivated to take and retain keeps. At least I have found that the case in EP and DC. Never played as AD.

Reverb

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Laggus wrote: »

Win your campaign and you are rewarded with 5 wall repairs, ZOS thinks thats a fabulous reward!!

EDIT: They are clueless about repairs and this proves it.

don't repair walls, this game will die soon so, do like any others do : enjoy fights, fights and more fights, yolo !

I'm judging you. Harshly.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Laggus wrote: »

Win your campaign and you are rewarded with 5 wall repairs, ZOS thinks thats a fabulous reward!!

EDIT: They are clueless about repairs and this proves it.

don't repair walls, this game will die soon so, do like any others do : enjoy fights, fights and more fights, yolo !

Not repairing walls and doors is completely asinine. I never have spare AP due to the cost of repairs.

Manoekin

Send me an ingame mail at the same name as my forum name. I'll get you some repair kits and soul gems when I get back on later today.

LilyOra

Omg Ikr! Too damn expensive. I also seem to have picked up the unhealthy (for my pocket) habit of going around from keep to keep and repairing walls that aren't 100% - something something about OCD, or was it ERP? I forget :P

dem0n1k

Manoekin wrote: »

Send me an ingame mail at the same name as my forum name. I'll get you some repair kits and soul gems when I get back on later today.

Thanks muchly for the offer! Last night I was totally out of gold so I grit my teeth & went to grind PVE content for about 3 hours to get some gold. I loved doing the PVE content so much the first time I did it... a bit less the 2nd time... much less the third time... from there it really went downhill!

It boggles my mind looking in the siege merchant inventory & those Akiviri crafting motifs are like 200k AP ! When I am constantly burning up my AP to buy siege & repair... how will I ever get to craft in Akaviri style... is it even worth the effort?

Jura23

What's the point of repairing walls if they will be destroyed again sooner or later? I will rather save AP for Akaviri, leave repairs to someone else.

dem0n1k

Have we always got gold with the "reward for the worthy" emails or is this a new thing? The last few emails I got had some really decent gold with them... which I immediately spent on siege & repair kits. If this is a new change.. then thanks ZOS! If it's always been this way.. then man, I am unobservant!

Manoekin

dem0n1k wrote: »

Have we always got gold with the "reward for the worthy" emails or is this a new thing? The last few emails I got had some really decent gold with them... which I immediately spent on siege & repair kits. If this is a new change.. then thanks ZOS! If it's always been this way.. then man, I am unobservant!

We used to get nothing, but several patches ago they added gold. It's pretty nice if you can get enough AP.

RoamingRiverElk

Yep, wall repair kits cost way too much for small groups, never mind players who try to repair solo. My advice would be to never spend gold on repair kits no matter what, unless you're heavily invested in the keep situation - i.e. trying to get yourself or someone you really care about as Emperor. Unless you do like farming for gold just in order to keep repairing the walls.

maxjapank

I feel you OP. I was lucky to have a main toon to feed my low level Repair Kits and gold. And yes, I did spend close to 200k gold on siege and kits for myself and others. I didn't mind helping out guilders or players that consistently joined the fight. The worst experience you can have in Cyrodiil is trying to repair a wall all by yourself. That takes forever. So much faster having ten people jump on it.

ZOS_BrianWheeler

Wall repair kits are getting their repair value looked into and will be adjusted (upward) in the next major update.

myrrrorb14_ESO

Take the resources around the keep and let the wall repair itself!

I usually repair just enough to make the wall pop up, which still takes forever and is expensive.

A group doing it works better, but most just want to roll to the next keep.

Forztr

You can buy the right soul gems from the siege merchant or farm them on a Veteran rank character.

As for repairing I'll repair to 25% solo so there isn't a hole in the wall but won't repair beyond that unless I'm getting help. I also rage a lot in chat if there's people standing around not repairing or if a group takes a keep and then rides off without repairing.

If more people repaired you'd hardly notice the cost. But now you can get useful stuff with AP and make money people are more inclined to save AP for personal use rather than the greater good.

GRxKnight

dem0n1k wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Send me an ingame mail at the same name as my forum name. I'll get you some repair kits and soul gems when I get back on later today.

Thanks muchly for the offer! Last night I was totally out of gold so I grit my teeth & went to grind PVE content for about 3 hours to get some gold. I loved doing the PVE content so much the first time I did it... a bit less the 2nd time... much less the third time... from there it really went downhill!

It boggles my mind looking in the siege merchant inventory & those Akiviri crafting motifs are like 200k AP ! When I am constantly burning up my AP to buy siege & repair... how will I ever get to craft in Akaviri style... is it even worth the effort?

Sounds like you just need a guild to run with...those akaviri motif pages don't cost a lot to the majority of the player base...i know someone who could buy 3 full sets of the motif...

And thank you ZOS for looking into something that doesn't pertain to more important issues

Reverb

I don't find it a problem in the regular campaigns, but in the non vet, where most players are worth less than 100 ap to kill, not many people have enough gold or ap for repair kits. Walls are left in a poor state all over the map, and only 2-3 players repair after most battles.

frozywozy

The funny part is that most people who care about siege equipements are usually people new who don't have alot of AP to spare on them. People with high alliance ranks (legate+) have banked up to 10millions AP and complain that there is nothing to buy with AP.......... but you rarely see them using any siege.

maxjapank

frozywozy wrote: »

The funny part is that most people who care about siege equipements are usually people new who don't have alot of AP to spare on them. People with high alliance ranks (legate+) have banked up to 10millions AP and complain that there is nothing to buy with AP.......... but you rarely see them using any siege.

Siege was really powerful and necessary in BWB before IC came out. Everyone used them, not just newer players.

Morozov

dem0n1k wrote: »

While I am posting... when enemies take Chalman mine & siege Chalman wall from the tower in the mine... is it a bug that the siege can't be seen or heard? I don't see or hear the shots... I just see the wall losing health slowly. Seems a bit dodgy.

There are PVP addons that register when a player puts down siege, this allows for a quick move to go defend. Some places the resource is close enough that a ballista placed on top of the tower can hit a wall. This too does not register on addons.

It can make it so one player can flag a keep and no one knows till its flagged. Not really dodgy, but it can make for some interesting map control strategy.

Now....im not gonna tell you about the secret spot at Glademist you can seige from unless someone else here ruins it for all of us

GRxKnight

Morozov wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

While I am posting... when enemies take Chalman mine & siege Chalman wall from the tower in the mine... is it a bug that the siege can't be seen or heard? I don't see or hear the shots... I just see the wall losing health slowly. Seems a bit dodgy.

There are PVP addons that register when a player puts down siege, this allows for a quick move to go defend. Some places the resource is close enough that a ballista placed on top of the tower can hit a wall. This too does not register on addons.

It can make it so one player can flag a keep and no one knows till its flagged. Not really dodgy, but it can make for some interesting map control strategy.

Now....im not gonna tell you about the secret spot at Glademist you can seige from unless someone else here ruins it for all of us

Was going to spoil the fun until i saw you were in victorem so I'll keep my mouth shut

frozywozy

maxjapank wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The funny part is that most people who care about siege equipements are usually people new who don't have alot of AP to spare on them. People with high alliance ranks (legate+) have banked up to 10millions AP and complain that there is nothing to buy with AP.......... but you rarely see them using any siege.

Siege was really powerful and necessary in BWB before IC came out. Everyone used them, not just newer players.

My point was : Alot of people with high alliance rank complain that there is nothing to buy with their 10millions+ pilled APs, yet they rarely use sieges which is in my opinion, a problem.

I'm gonna get grand warlord rank46 next week and I only have 500k APs. I have sold only one item for 250k so far. Everything else went into siege equipement. I still don't find it "boring" to siege a keep or to drop meatbags / fire balistas at players. It is a key in any battle and I'm glad when I see people using them at their advantage.

Darlgon

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Take the resources around the keep and let the wall repair itself!

I usually repair just enough to make the wall pop up, which still takes forever and is expensive.

A group doing it works better, but most just want to roll to the next keep.

That.. does not work, unless you want to wait 25 real life hours.

I refer you to the calcuations in this thread...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2453004/#Comment_2453004

dem0n1k

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Wall repair kits are getting their repair value looked into and will be adjusted (upward) in the next major update.

Many thanks Brian !

Frozywozy is correct that I am quite new to the Cyrodiil sieging & my AP is very low (Tyro 2) & I can see that the guys that have been doing this for months/years have a LOT of AP! Some guys just leave their siege engines behind to slowly decay without packing them away.. while I pack them away even if they only have a liver of health left. I've never had more than about 40k of spendable AP saved up before I blow it all on repair & siege.... & I want an Akaviri hat! LOL

GRxKnight : I've just joined a trader guild but I am really not sure how to make money... I've put a bunch of stuff up for sale but the prices are only marginally better than what a regular merchant would give. So I need to educate myself about trader guilds & how they work & the best ways to get some loot. Any tips on good guilds?

Reverb : So is it lower level players that are worth less AP to kill or lower AP rank players ?

Morozov : thanks for the info! I will investigate this addon

maxjapank

frozywozy wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The funny part is that most people who care about siege equipements are usually people new who don't have alot of AP to spare on them. People with high alliance ranks (legate+) have banked up to 10millions AP and complain that there is nothing to buy with AP.......... but you rarely see them using any siege.

Siege was really powerful and necessary in BWB before IC came out. Everyone used them, not just newer players.

My point was : Alot of people with high alliance rank complain that there is nothing to buy with their 10millions+ pilled APs, yet they rarely use sieges which is in my opinion, a problem.

I'm gonna get grand warlord rank46 next week and I only have 500k APs. I have sold only one item for 250k so far. Everything else went into siege equipement. I still don't find it "boring" to siege a keep or to drop meatbags / fire balistas at players. It is a key in any battle and I'm glad when I see people using them at their advantage.

I see now. My bad. And I agree with you fully.

GRxKnight

dem0n1k wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Wall repair kits are getting their repair value looked into and will be adjusted (upward) in the next major update.

Many thanks Brian !

Frozywozy is correct that I am quite new to the Cyrodiil sieging & my AP is very low (Tyro 2) & I can see that the guys that have been doing this for months/years have a LOT of AP! Some guys just leave their siege engines behind to slowly decay without packing them away.. while I pack them away even if they only have a liver of health left. I've never had more than about 40k of spendable AP saved up before I blow it all on repair & siege.... & I want an Akaviri hat! LOL

GRxKnight : I've just joined a trader guild but I am really not sure how to make money... I've put a bunch of stuff up for sale but the prices are only marginally better than what a regular merchant would give. So I need to educate myself about trader guilds & how they work & the best ways to get some loot. Any tips on good guilds?

Reverb : So is it lower level players that are worth less AP to kill or lower AP rank players ?

Morozov : thanks for the info! I will investigate this addon

Pvp guild...trade guilds aren't really PVPing with each other since there's a good chance it's cross faction

Zaldan

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Take the resources around the keep and let the wall repair itself!

I usually repair just enough to make the wall pop up, which still takes forever and is expensive.

A group doing it works better, but most just want to roll to the next keep.

leaving damaged outer walls allows enemy players to climb up btw