Solo vet arena proves DK needs to be buffed

Beesting

Sharmony wrote: »

Try be specific when dealing problems otherwise it helps no one. How so? What needs to buff? etc...

Inhale / deep breath is pretty nice, i vote for that to be un-nerfed

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/100512/dark-talons-inhale-killed-for-pve-in-effort-to-balance-pvp

I mean it does not have to be as op as the nb siphon but you get my drift

Beesting

Ash cloud, was also fine the way it was with the 30 % miss chance

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153785/upset-about-changes-to-dk-ability-ash-cloud-and-its-morphs

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dday3six

It's more than that. IMO ZOS needs to seperate PVE and PVP so they can balance them individually. Then the need to give players more infomation to work with regarding combat. Addons seem also most mandatory for Maelstrom, and the minimalistic UI and combat feedback appear to hold back the ability to develop challenging and interesting content.

Nifty2g

This is normally what happens when PvPers whinge constantly for nerfs and it happens then down the road they realise it was a bad idea and then try to get the class buffed. Quite an interesting community if you ask me

Moonshadow66

With the current state of the DK's skills I don't even dare to think about entering the Arena with mine. I run a magicka DK which USED to be good, but now she just sucks. Would be worth a try if every stage of the arena would consist of casters only, but it doesn't. No Arena run with my DK then.

Xsorus

There is simply no way to explain the number disparity in vet maelstrom arena without coming to the conclusion that dks were overnerfed

BEZDNA

i have 8 vr16 chars, 2 dk, 1 sorc, 3 nb and 2 templars. DK is my main class since the game release. I finished arena on all of them and i can say for sure, that doing arena on DK is 4 times harder then on sorc and nb and 2 times harde then on templar. I f**king hate DK to the botom of my heart no...

asneakybanana

yes, buff DKs pl0x I want to be back to my former self

Lava_Croft

Maybe the low number of Dragon Knights is related to the fact that most Dragon Knights have lived through a year of being OP as *** and now have trouble adapting to a more normal situation. This makes them re-roll.

Jura23

dday3six wrote: »

It's more than that. IMO ZOS needs to seperate PVE and PVP so they can balance them individually. Then the need to give players more infomation to work with regarding combat. Addons seem also most mandatory for Maelstrom, and the minimalistic UI and combat feedback appear to hold back the ability to develop challenging and interesting content.

No. That is the main thing I like about ESO, that PvE and PvP isn't completely separated. I don't want them ever go beyond battlespirit type thing.

Xsorus

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Maybe the low number of Dragon Knights is related to the fact that most Dragon Knights have lived through a year of being OP as *** and now have trouble adapting to a more normal situation. This makes them re-roll.

Or maybe it's the fact that sorc and nightblade are both face roll easy.. While Templars and dks aren't so much. I mean vma pretty much mirrors the current pvp climate as well... Nb and sorcs are both easy mode jokes compared to the Templars and dks

dday3six

Jura23 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

It's more than that. IMO ZOS needs to seperate PVE and PVP so they can balance them individually. Then the need to give players more infomation to work with regarding combat. Addons seem also most mandatory for Maelstrom, and the minimalistic UI and combat feedback appear to hold back the ability to develop challenging and interesting content.

No. That is the main thing I like about ESO, that PvE and PvP isn't completely separated. I don't want them ever go beyond battlespirit type thing.

So you like that ZOS struggles with balance directly relating to that skills must functions in both PVE and PVP even though the build demands of each is radically different?

posilnahtorg

Just fix molten weapons and make 2,5k shield at least 10k.

Rylana

I am going to put this to bed.,

I have a stam DK and a Magicka DK

I have played DK since beta.

Without tooting my own horn I am going to flat out state I am probably a 5 percenter or better when it comes to playing this class. It was my main for a very very long time.

DK today is the hardest class to play well and be effective in any way. In PvP its a total wash for magicka, stamina is basically a cookie cutter build involving no class skills whatsoever. PvE you just throw it together like any other ranged caster and there ya go, but the class itself is borked.

And even if you play it well, it is still subpar to the other three classes in any role.

DK literally has no place in the game now, nothing defines it as a stand out. If I want a tank or healer, im bringing my templar. If I want a ranged caster style DPS, im bringing my sorc. if I want more up close and personal DPS, im bringing the nightblade. The DKs just kinda sit on the shelf.

The results we are seeing in the Maelstrom leaderboards have no maybe attached to them, DK is underpowered as hell right now.

Period.

Vangy

Rylana wrote: »

I am going to put this to bed.,

I have a stam DK and a Magicka DK

I have played DK since beta.

Without tooting my own horn I am going to flat out state I am probably a 5 percenter or better when it comes to playing this class. It was my main for a very very long time.

DK today is the hardest class to play well and be effective in any way. In PvP its a total wash for magicka, stamina is basically a cookie cutter build involving no class skills whatsoever. PvE you just throw it together like any other ranged caster and there ya go, but the class itself is borked.

And even if you play it well, it is still subpar to the other three classes in any role.

DK literally has no place in the game now, nothing defines it as a stand out. If I want a tank or healer, im bringing my templar. If I want a ranged caster style DPS, im bringing my sorc. if I want more up close and personal DPS, im bringing the nightblade. The DKs just kinda sit on the shelf.

The results we are seeing in the Maelstrom leaderboards have no maybe attached to them, DK is underpowered as hell right now.

Period.

I feel ur pain... Since I started ESO ive had my dk as main. I just put him down last week to level a new stam NB. NB is at lvl 48 now and im sooo excited. Gona hit v16 in maybe a week or so and he can just wholesale adopt my DK's gear lol. If you cant beat them join them lol.

Alcast

Rylana wrote: »

I am going to put this to bed.,

I have a stam DK and a Magicka DK

I have played DK since beta.

Without tooting my own horn I am going to flat out state I am probably a 5 percenter or better when it comes to playing this class. It was my main for a very very long time.

DK today is the hardest class to play well and be effective in any way. In PvP its a total wash for magicka, stamina is basically a cookie cutter build involving no class skills whatsoever. PvE you just throw it together like any other ranged caster and there ya go, but the class itself is borked.

And even if you play it well, it is still subpar to the other three classes in any role.

DK literally has no place in the game now, nothing defines it as a stand out. If I want a tank or healer, im bringing my templar. If I want a ranged caster style DPS, im bringing my sorc. if I want more up close and personal DPS, im bringing the nightblade. The DKs just kinda sit on the shelf.

The results we are seeing in the Maelstrom leaderboards have no maybe attached to them, DK is underpowered as hell right now.

Period.

Magicka DK needs some sort of buff(like templars), Stam DK is totally fine in both pve and pvp.

Beesting

Yes templars recently got a nice buff with the jesusbeam

One can only hope dk will be next to receive a present like that

MaxwellC

People still cry "DKs aren't over nerf'd they preform just fine". I find this hilarious, you need to play a DK and try PvP it's practically a slaughter fest.
Stam DKs lack variety of class abilities that can do actual damage as well as the Magicka DKs.
All our pathetic damage is suppose to derive from a DoT that anyone with enough CP, a NB cloak, or using purify can easily cancel.
When those DoTs are cancelled what do you have left, nothing but small damage that makes other classes laugh.

ZoS can't even give me a Stam version of flame lash so I get something that can do damage and give me a nice heal, Gg.

tangy.citrus

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

tangy.citrus wrote: »

not even. A lot of people are grinding for gear on their sorc/nb first before doing dk. It may be easier on some classes than others, but that doesnt mean any class needs a buff or the trial needs a nerf.

It comes down to a lack of player skill - working with what you have. Dk's can definitely do it.

"It may be easier on some classes than others"...

Shouldn't the difficulty level be the same for all classes? How can it be a lack of player skill when you say it's easier for some classes?

And people are using "easy" classes to grind for gear?

Well, that just reinforces it... "I can do it on my sorc, but I need some better gear before I try on my DK".

ZOS said this earlier, but some classes will be more suited to some things than others. I'd welcome a buff on my DK, but a few weeks later all the nooblet casuals are going to come back and cry about a nerf again. VDSA is easier for stamina builds than magicka builds, should they have buffed magicka builds at that time then? Vma is easier for magicka builds than stamina, should we buff stamina builds now? Even though a stam DK holds highest score atm for DK's?

Just because it takes an ounce of player skill to get a complete on DK - that means we need to buff them right? Lrn2play bro. stop crying.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

posilnahtorg wrote: »

DK still good as tank due to chain no1 else have, but all these nerfs made most of skills useless.

So DK have to dd with desto skills and heal with resto.

The people that play Dragon Knights are wrong not the class. If you try to be Tanky and drop good DPS you will fail at one of them.

Nightblades get no weapon damage buffs from a class passive so when I Wrecking Blow on my Dragon Knight with the same gear and stats but different class it hits just as hard.
Just like my Nightblade I stack weapon damage and don't back down. Crazy how that works

I can solo PvP better on my Dragon Knight then my Nightblade. Adding Dragon Knight heals and the stamina regen buff from Green Dragon's Blood plus the passive that buff healing received by 12% while any power from that tree is active.
He does great I don't try and 1vX

Stamina Nightblades can't Cloak all my DoTs they don't have the magic for that.
Debuff, DoT and burst down same as my Nightblade.

Honestly it comes down to players getting mad that Nightblades focusing on pure damage are outperforming their tank DPS.

Beesting

@tangy.citrus funny on your sig it says your nb has a 5x higher vsma score than your dk

lol at you coming to this thread and telling people ltp hahaha

Lenikus

DKs....
- famous because children relate to the name
- also the first class selected in character creation, wich means newbz will not even change.
- it was also the meta for a long time in PvP, wich made a lot of poorly skilled players create one to compensate their despicable gameplay talent.
- Recently, it was always regarded as the TOP Magicka DPS Fire Damage Meta Only Option For Awesome Players. wich made all players have the same raw spell damage build.

Now:
- DKs forget that during the pledges and other trials, they had 2 people whose job was keep their AwEs0m3 1337 arses alive and without damage to worry about, and THAT was why they could focus on damage.
- They try to use the same DPS build they use in pledges to Solo content.


I see nothing wrong here.
L 2 P ~

Sharee

Lenikus wrote: »

Now:
- DKs forget that during the pledges and other trials, they had 2 people whose job was keep their AwEs0m3 1337 arses alive and without damage to worry about, and THAT was why they could focus on damage.

How's that different from any other class specced as DPS?

Lenikus

Sharee wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

Now:
- DKs forget that during the pledges and other trials, they had 2 people whose job was keep their AwEs0m3 1337 arses alive and without damage to worry about, and THAT was why they could focus on damage.

How's that different from any other class specced as DPS?

it isn't, DKs were only the 'best' ones at that, wich, in the context of the whole post, makes sense

posilnahtorg

Sorc, templar and NB use class skills to DPS. DK now could do normal dps only with destro staff.

Xantaria

DKs have strong defense and very strong offense when looking at the game as a whole. That their defense doesn't work in vMA (because being that tanky DK won't push you through vMA) and that other classes do have defenses that work very very well in vMA (shields are pretty much the only way to save yourself from huge damage spikes) doesn't mean DKs need to be buffed. vMA does favor specific builds and classes extremely. But vMA does not reflect the whole game.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

posilnahtorg wrote: »

Sorc, templar and NB use class skills to DPS. DK now could do normal dps only with destro staff.

I use Class powers for my Magic Dragon Knight DoTs are not bad burst is needed and you get it with Whip I have great, good, okay and why is this even here Powers like all the classes.

Everyone can DPS with class powers not everyone can burst DPS with class powers.

Side note - Wrecking Blow, Snipe, Camouflaged Hunter, Silver Shards, Steel Tornado and Magicka Detonation are all non class power and are complained about far more then class powers.

TequilaFire

All the sorcs shivering in their boots that DK might be restored.
Might even stop PvP from being Harry Potter land again.

posilnahtorg

Blink should be impossible more then 2 times in a row.

Ted_Mosby_Architect

I think it's more than just buff or nerf or whatever. DK's are undoubtedly bad in solo play but put a DK in a group setting such as trials or dungeons and all of a sudden DK's are amazing. Good DK's can pull 25k plus dps in trials so I feel like any buffs will make them super OP. But on the other hand, having such a small number of DK's on the leaderboards is a problem. Basically what I'm saying is that it seems more complicated than what it looks like on the surface. I'd like to hear some opinions on this.